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Into Your Heart => Bible Study => Topic started by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2008, 08:14:06 AM

Title: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2008, 08:14:06 AM
Numbers 21:5-9 divulges about the complaints of the Hebrews and their ill-contempt for the deliverance the LORD had promised them and had given them from Bondage.

'The people complained against God and Moses, "Why have you brought us up from Egypt to die in this desert, where there is no food or water? We are disgusted with this wretched food!'

In punishment the LORD sent among the people saraph serpents, which bit the people so that many of them died. Then the people came to Moses and said, "We have sinned in complaining against the LORD and you. Pray the LORD to take the serpents from us."

So Moses prayed for the people, and the LORD said to Moses,

"Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover."

Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.'


In this excerpt, it was the Hebrews that tempted the LORD with their arrogance and their ingratitude. They who were in bondage by Egypt for hundreds of years, whose same prayers rose to the Throne of Divine Mercy like sweet incense to be heard by The Almighty. That the Lord of Hosts sent Moses to be the deliverer of His People. Even after the miracles of the great plagues, even after the appearance of the Whirlwind of Fire that The LORD sent to hold back Pharaoh's charriots, and even after The LORD opened the Red Sea and SWALLOWED Pharaoh's Army at the same time; still the Hebrews would not stop complaining.

One here is reminded that 'tempting' the Lord Your God is by the use of words of arrogance, ingratitude, and sacrilegious actions in reference to the Divine Person.

We are reminded of this in In Deuteronomy 5, through Moses, He had rehearsed to the children of Israel the Ten Commandments. Then, in chapter 6, He told them to "love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might" (verse 5). He further told them to teach God's ways to their children, fear Him, stay away from other gods, and do "not tempt the LORD your God" (verses 7, 13-14, 16). As Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 show, God's blessings would flow to them if they were obedient—blessings that include the promise of protection.

And again in another verse;

In Matthew 4, Satan tempts Christ in various ways. At one point, he tries to get Jesus to throw Himself off the roof of the Temple, saying, "For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge concerning you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone'" (verse 6). Here Satan twists Psalm 91:11-12, which says, "For He shall give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways. They shall bear you up in their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone." God is promising protection to His people here, telling us that He will place His angels about us. He is not telling us to attempt to hurt ourselves in a deliberate effort to see if He will come through for us.

This, my brothers and sisters, is the ACT OF TEMPTING the Lord of Hosts. No One should EVER tempt the Lord, to see if the Lord Will Do or Not Do. The LORD wills things to happen because%2
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Post by: bulak on March 29, 2008, 08:29:46 AM
Dong Enzo naserious kog ahat naka basa ani nga thread. Pero murag exempted ko ani dah!

Tig timpla lang ko og coffe niyu ha..
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Post by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2008, 08:35:05 AM
Bulak, you are part of it, sis. Any views you have, i-hatag pood kai you know you'll never know that we are thinking of the same thing. Bulak, the Holy Spirit dwells within ALL of us. You, Me, a child, an elderly. Our bodies are His temple, so let us use our mouths to speak a portion of the truth. Okay?

God Bless You!
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Post by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2008, 08:51:30 AM
Today, I could not help but observe the commotion that was happening in the thread opened by Marjun about the bleeding statue of Jesus in the church in Calape, Bohol.

I stayed away from the argument because I personally thought it was inappropriate to talk about personal beliefs, denying miracles, and what not in a thread that was about Christ Jesus. As I tried to prepare to type something in that thread to reprimand some members, something told me to stop. And Think. I opened the Bible and my hands led me to a beautiful excerpt in the Book of Corinthians. Chapter 10, verse 23-33. It is entitled "Seek the Good of Others"

"Everything is lawful," but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is lawful," but not everything builds up. No one should seek his own advantage, but that of his neighbor. Eat anything sold in the market, without raising questions on grounds of conscience, for "the earth and its fullness are the Lord's" If an unbeliever invites you and you want to go, eat whatever is placed before you, without raising questions on grounds of conscience. But if someone says to you, "This was offered in sacrifice," do not eat it and on account of conscience; I mean not your own conscience, but other's. For why should my freedom be determined by someone else's conscience? If I partake thankfully, why am I reviled for that over which I give thanks?

So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the GLORY of God. Avoid giving offense, whether to Jews or Greeks or the Church of God. Just as I try to please everyone in every way, not seeking my own benefit but that of the many, that they may be saved.

Corinthians 10: 23-33


Guys, I know that it is hard sometimes to get along with others as we all have our own points of views, and most of us (if not, all of us) are very adamant about our own beliefs. But we should always try to evade in insulting others for a mere idea and for a concept, because the words we use can hurt. Insulting someone's intelligence or someone's ability to read and talk or hear is not a way to portray and send out your message. It will only anger the person who you said that to, that and hurt others who read or hear such things. Just as this particular passage talks about the glorification of God, and the exaltation, one must be open minded about where one is. Do not take everything as an insult, for everything, is seen by the Almighty, either we believe it or do not, it is  so. Give thanks lang ta that we are able to discuss things, talk to one another. As what a fellow member in here, Ms. Grace P.N said, "It is okay to agree to disagree."

Guys, remember that wherever we are, or whoever we are with, do things for the Glory of the Lord and do not offend those around you. Let us be like Christ and imitate him, despite our personal iniquities.

In His Most Holy Name,
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Post by: ms da binsi on March 29, 2008, 09:05:35 AM
I  had onced talk about the calling or that time that i thought GOD has chosen me, in some other thread. I would like to share to you my story when at  that time  HE gave me the sign that HE loved me was when i had my first child. I was always a happy person and always contented of what i had, and at that time i thought i have everything that a woman wanted, good education, good job, material thing, love and affection and i would always say i could not ask for more. I was wrong because in the midst of all that, i was longing for  something that i really didn't know what. ( I even  sometimes realized it now that i had a post partum syndrome at that time or what ever, it was long ago.)

So i was searching for something that really would gratify that longingness. Until one friend of mine told me to read Matthew 28:20, I didn't even know why she said that. It says: "Jesus said, I will be with you until the end of time." It didn't struck me at first, not at all. Then she said to me while she handed me The Book(which for me was really very easy to understand than the other versions), to read the Ecclesiastes, and i asked her which part, and she said all if you have time. Then I read it, over and over again. That really had touched me, that no matter what hardwork  we do here, that will all go to oblivion.

I really don't know how to relate on how i was converted but all i knew is that our life is just a vehicle of our spirits to prepare to face Heaven and it is all up to us on how to drive it...
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Post by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2008, 03:30:36 PM
Amen, Ate Belle. Hapit pood ko mo hilak reading your post uy. Bitaw, and you are blessed to have children, to give and make life. Sometimes, 'te when we long for something or someone, the Lord comes into our heart. I remember several months ago when you mentioned about reading Ecclesiastes. I learn from your faith, 'te, and the faith of others and thank you kaayo for indirectly helping strengthen my own faith.

So I say to you, Amen! My dear Ate Belle!

Continue to be a warmth to your children, your husband and your family.
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 07, 2008, 03:38:57 PM
There is a particular psalm in the Book of Psalms that I truly love to read. It is Psalm 27; in times of need and whenever I find myself painfully in need of His presence, I always read it. The message in the psalm straightens my quivering hands, solidifies my back, and answers the questions that resound in my head. Whenever I find myself despairing or feeling bad due to an argument, I read this excerpt. It is so very comforting, and tells us to put our Trust in God.  :)

Psalm 27: Trust in God

The Lord is my light and my salvation;
whom do I fear?
The Lord is my life's refuge;
of whom am I afraid?
When evildoers come at me
to devour my flesh.
These my enemies and foes themselves stumble and fall.
Though an army encamp against me,
my heart does not fear;
Though war be waged against me,
even then do I trust.

One thing I ask of the Lord;
this I seek:
To dwell in the Lord's house
all the days of my life,
To gaze on the Lord's beauty,
to visit his temple.

For God will hide me in his shelter
in time of trouble,
Will conceal me in the cover of his tent;
and set me high upon a rock.
Even now my head is heald high
above my enemies on every side!
I will offer in his tent
sacrifices with the shouts of joy;
I will sing and chant praise to the Lord.

Hear my voice, Lord, when I call;
have mercy on me and answer me.
"Come" says my heart, "seek God's face."
your face, Lord, do I seek!

Do not Hide your face from me;
do not repel your servant in anger.
You are my help; do not cast me off;
do not foresake me, God, My Savior!
Even if my father, and mother foresake me,
the Lord will take me in.

Lord, show me your way;
lead me on a level path
because of my enemies.
Do not abandon me to the will of foes;
malicious and lying witnesses have arisen against me.
But I believe I shall enjoy the Lord's goodness
in the land of the living.

Wait for the Lord, take courage;
be stouthearted, wait for the Lord!

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 29, 2008, 11:36:35 AM
Have you ever been charged with a job to do? A calling in a particular field by an entity above you?
Yes, I would like to engage in dialogue with readers in here about the concept of work. Holy Work.
In fact, as we all are engaged in our professional callings, whatever it may be, there is a sense of purpose. There is a reason for it. There is always a vision, that Christ Jesus instills in all of us. Either we choose to accept that vision or not, it is there. For there is no one who is rejected by the Holy Spirit, who lives in all of us. Our Loving Father does not reject us, he accepts all of us--from the sinner to the pious priest. It is up to the individual to accept the Lord or Not.
That is Grace. The Power of Grace. And I know some of you are personal about this, but just take this in--think about it. Please share pood your own words as I would like to hear it, and am sure all of us would love to read about it. We are all in a journey, in this Earthly life--which is our Earthly Pilgrimage. Let us all help each other bear each other's burden. In the end, we all go to the same cross. In search of the Same Lord.

So, it goes back to concept of a job. The charge we were given. The responsibilities we are given is no more different to that Simon Peter was given by Christ Jesus. :)


And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is?

But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?

Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.

And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.


Matt 16:13-19
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Post by: simplylee on April 29, 2008, 01:49:32 PM
nindot bitaw jud ang magbible study. kinanindotan gyod tun an ang pulong sa DIYOS kay ang resulta ani dili ra man dinhi kun dili hangtod sa kinahangturan. sa among grupo naay bible study nga ginabuhat ka upat sa usa ka semana ganahan pod ko moshare unsay among natun an ngadto sa mga tawong adunay interest bahin sa bible. kun nahigugma ta sa DIYOS gusto jud ta nga makaila kinsa ug unsa SIYA. wala may laing paagi nga siya mailaila pinaagi ra man sa Iyang pulong. the Word of GOD is the mind of CHRIST.
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Post by: grazie7y on April 29, 2008, 01:57:45 PM
Dong, I dunno if I can answer some of your questions.  When I graduated college, I had one visual in mind:  to work in a fancy office and well, I am embarrassed to accept that becoming a a boss was one of my goals.  Of course, I wanted to become big so I could help my family but I think most of it, I want to achieve something that could feed my ego.  When I was accepted to work in the bank, I was so happy.  I knew then I was on way to fulfilling my dreams. I started as an encoder and at the same time an accounting clerk in the bank.  I worked so hard.  I was so impatient to learn everything there was to learn in my scope of work and more.  I was driven. 

My first year job assessment came and I got an "above expectation" rating - or maybe they didn't expect much from a be-pimpled, skinny promdi girl that I was.  At that time, I think I was enjoying more on my work and the promotions were just inevitable.  By the third year, I was already a junior officer.  It was a glimpse of being a boss already. :)  I became addicted to work - like big time.  I don't go home until late night and sometimes at dawn time, go home, take a cat nap and back again to work.  There were times I couldn't celebrate Christmas and New Years with my family because I needed to work especially year-end is the busiest day in any banks.  One of my brothers got married and I wasn't able to attend the wedding because I had more important thing to do in the bank.  I so regretted that now. :(

I started to miss my meals because it was a waste of time.  I then started to get ill.  I was diagnosed ofchronic myalgia of the upper trapezius.  Not only that, my friends started to see signs of eating disorder.  I don't know if it was anorexia or bulimia but whenever I eat, I started to throw up.  I landed in the hospital to force me to relax.  I had therapy for my aching shoulders. 

One night I woke up.  I asked, what am I doing this for, Lord?  and then I didn't feel his presence.  Oh yeah, I felt that my heart was empty of God's presence.  No matter how busy I was, I didn't forget church every Sundays and sometimes Wednesdays and Fridays but that particular moment, I couldn't feel God's presence.  I was panicking.  I felt like God deserted me.  I kept pushing and pushing for his attention.  I talked to a colleague and she said, she felt that way too.  It was a  relief but I kept knocking on God's door to let me in again.  He did.

Then I had a chance to work in a tripartite project in South Cebu and being in boondocks.  I grabbed it.  It meant more work and travel because that was on top of my job in the bank but I wanted something new.  It proved to be what I needed for.  I was to help set up a bank for the people.  Meaning, I deal with people.  I work with them.  I eat with them.  These are the real people.  The farmers, the cooperative organizers, and more.  I loved that work.  I was working for my family and yet I was able to help people.  It was fun.  I got to attend community meetings to explain and inculcate the value of savings. I got to eat with them in the farm.  I was accepted and in that 2-year experience, I gained friends. Real friends.  It later became an even more of a blessing when, after about 7 years, my Mom was in Cebu Chong Hua Hospital fighting for her life, the same friends helped and comforted my sisters and cousins who were there with Mommy.  One of them was Manang Nessy.  She brought her son to the hospital so my sisters and cousin would have an errand boy to buy medicines, etc..  What was a huge blessing from God. 

Working in the commercial bank in the big city was nothing compared to working with the people in the barrios and boondocks.  But my work in the bank in the city led me to my experience in Cebu.  It was glorifying.  That kind of job made me feel like I am doing something good for God and not just for myself and my family.  I further realized that there's a lot of ways to do your work and at the same time glorify the Lord.

Dong, your job as a doctor is a very important one.  You'll be helping life.  You'll be God's hand in healing people.  I have no doubt in my mind that you will do an excellent job not because you are summa cum laude but because you have the heart.  You have the conscience. You have tremendous faith in the Lord I don't get to see always in young men like you.  Keep grounded with your faith, Dong, because you will go far and every step of the way, God will guide you. :D
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 29, 2008, 02:33:45 PM
the Word of GOD is the mind of CHRIST[/size].

Ma'am Lee, I must admit that for some time I was always afraid, embarassed, and unworthy to call on the name of Jesus. For me, His Name is like the purest of pure light, and during my teenage years and early college days, I always felt that I needed to express my thanks to other means. As in reading about the saints, the works of the saints, the religiosity of the saints, the benedictions. Yes, they did help in rekindling my faith during college years, but I cannot deny that I always had a feeling of distance. As if I was one of the multitude, and as if I was addressed but not personally. When I began my Catholic Confirmation in the Fall term of my Junior Year of college, I was able to meet up with not only my sister (both of us were getting our confirmation), but we also met up with Fr. Mark Hofman, our college catholic chaplain, and several students and town people who were looking to confirm their faith. We divulged into deep bible study, reading the different books and having conversations. And I guess I first started asking and addressing Christ Jesus on a personal basis after that event.

I am a sinner, a humble man, with temptations that all of us have. And I felt that I was unworthy to call on Christ Jesus, but when I started to call on Him. I developed an almost personal calling and personal relationship with Him.

There are times that I come to church in the middle of the night. In the dead of night when there is no one there, I can pour out my emotions like a lid being removed from a topper ware. I am able to release my pains, my anguishes, my hopes, my pleas. Just me and Him. There is no worry of etiquette or not, kai i am just being myself to Him. It is at the dead of night that I can cry like a baby in church. And you know, it is through bible study, through personal relationship with Jesus that allowed me to do this.

Hard bitaw sometimes having to be normal with my friends and yet having time for faith. Pero, naa man jud na a pull to me to pray. Even if sa night time ra, naa bitaw na. Ug di ko maka pray, dili jud ko maka tulug. Ug di ko mo pray before I study, dili jud ko maka concentrate. Ma anxious ko, ma scared, uneasy, restless.

Amen, I say you are very right, Ma'am Lee.
The Word of God is the Mind of Christ.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Ligalig-Mike on April 29, 2008, 02:45:04 PM
Bran, I suggest we focus on one topic in our Bible study. One thread will be dedicated to one area. In this way we can concentrate on what we need to know about the words of God.
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Post by: simplylee on April 29, 2008, 02:46:42 PM
maayo jud bitaw naa ang matag usa personal relationship with the LORD JESUS CHRIST as savior first unya as friend hangtod mailhan jud nato SIYA. lahi ra jud ang atong panglantaw sa kinabuhi kun naa tay personal nga relasyon sa DIYOS. when we put GOD's plan for us the center of our lives everything will work accordingly and without hitch kay sa DIYOS walay sulagma o coincedence tanan IYA na nahibaw an wa pa gani ta ipakatawo. bisan kining paghimo ni mike ani nga site naa na ni sa plano sa DIYOS aron magkakitakita ta. Rom. 8:28
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Post by: Brownman on April 29, 2008, 02:49:13 PM
This might be a good suggestion Mike to give space and time to the words of God
in this way we will become more committed to Christ, the hackers wil run away in our path.
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 29, 2008, 02:50:48 PM

There is a saying baya, Ate Ging,
Quote
Learn to think in positive affirmations. Affirmations are any statements you make. Too often we think in negative affirmations. Negative affirmations only create more of what you say you don't want. Saying, I hate my job, will get you nowhere. Declaring, I now accept a wonderful new job, will open the channels in your consciousness to create that.

-Louisse Hay
and this saying almost applies to your personal anecdote. You are a work-a-holic, 'te. Even before I read this or talked to you about this in our countless conversations, whenever I read your posts or look at the pictures of the activities you have with friends and family, maka conceptualize pood ko tha you are work-oriented.

There is organization and categorization in your objectives, in your duties, in your passions. When you cook something, it is followed almost in meticulous order; whenever you take pictures, you start of in order, when you explain a saying or a personal story, there is always an element of organization and fluid-like systemic approach. There is always a life lesson, which goes back to scriptural references, in all of your explanations. To tell you the truth, that is one of the many reasons why I love to read your posts and internalize it personally.

When you say something, it is astute. A lesson to learn.

As for your experiences in Manila as a successful banker and officer, I know you are quite successful. I already knew this before reading your personal stories. In fact, one can see it through how you explain things, it is always blanketed. Total coverage :)

Ate, I personally think you are so lucky in that you have the experience in urbanized banking, but also you have the experience in grass-roots organization, agrarian-based banking, local systems, and also Most Importantly, you are so family oriented. Your life lesson reverberates to all of us, Ate Ging. And what a powerful experience you have, something I can only dream of even experiencing. Some of us students are mostly theory-based; wa pa jud mi ka interact on a 'hands-on' basis. So to hear from your experience and digesting your lessons is like a breath of fresh air.

For me, there are two kinds of people:
Those who prioritize work, and those who prioritize family.
You cover both, Ate Ging.

:)

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 29, 2008, 02:52:42 PM
Sige, let us get back into topic of bible study.

I apologize for going of topic.

Please, someone start a topic of study.

Thanks, guys

:)
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Post by: simplylee on April 29, 2008, 02:56:05 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 29, 2008, 03:03:37 PM
I need someone to explain to me something, as I have been trying to understand a particular scriptural saying.

"You are the salt of the earth: but if the salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men"
(Matthew 5:13).

My question is what does the Lord mean by the salt? Are Christians, in general, the salt? Or is the salt humanity in general? Just what did Christ mean by saying that salt could loose its savor?
What can we do in order to prevent this from happening?


Title: Prayer Leads to Wisdom and Riches
Post by: Lorenzo on June 02, 2008, 10:18:52 AM
These past few days, I've been contemplating on the awe-inspiring power of the Lord. Everytime I ask for something and pray for guidance or for divine Providence' intercession, it somehow manifests itself. Though sometimes my answers are not answered according to my expectations, Providence always answers it according to His Will. And one immediately knows that the said action was the answer one was looking for. Even if it is reading a particular verse in the Bible. 

Reading the Bible, I stumbled on the answer that I was looking for and contemplating for the other day. Isn't it amazing how it was answered?

There is a specific verse in the Bible in Wisdom 7: 7-12


"Solomon Prayed and Wisdom and Riches Came to Him"

Therefore I prayed and prudence was given me;
I pleaded and the spirit of Wisdom came to me.
I preferred her to scepter and throne,
And deemed riches nothing in comparison with her,
nor did I like any priceless gem to her;

Because all gold, in view of her, is a little sand.,
and before her, silver is to be accounted mire.

Beyond health and comeliness I loved her,
And I chose to have her rather than the light,
because the splendor of her never yields to sleep.

Yet all good things together came to me in her company,
and countless riches at her hands;

And I rejoiced in them all, because Wisdom is their leader
though I had not known that she is the mother of these.




Beautiful isn't it? :) Pray for Wisdom, and It surely will come to you. Not only wisdom, but riches. Sometimes not in terms of wealth, but richness according to the Will of God.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: slackware on June 02, 2008, 12:28:16 PM
"You are the salt of the earth: but if the salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men"[/b]
(Matthew 5:13).

My question is what does the Lord mean by the salt? Are Christians, in general, the salt? Or is the salt humanity in general? Just what did Christ mean by saying that salt could loose its savor?
What can we do in order to prevent this from happening?




sa karaang panahon sa middle east, kanang asin gi mining na siya. bulto2x ang gidak-on sa bato ana. inig human ug separate sa asin sa bato, ang bato na nagtangag ug asin himo-on na na nilang murag silbing doormat sa ilang balay. mao to literal na meaning sa gisuti ni jesus na "  but if the salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men"

the salt not only gives balance to the taste to the food but also act as a food preservative. the salt mentioned here are the good people, they keep the balance in the world. they make the difference...they make the world a better place to live...if they lose their savor, mao to dapat na cya silutan ug yatak yatakan nalang. in order not to lose its savor, one must continue studying the words of God. once must continue doing the will of God.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on June 06, 2008, 01:05:59 PM
Thank you for your explanation, Anastasio. I really appreciate it.
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Post by: Brownman on June 06, 2008, 11:23:35 PM
Brothers and sisters here's a spiritual meaning of salt which was taken from (Ezekiel 47:11);

That salt signifies the longing of truth for good, is evident from the signification of salt, as being that longing for good which is of the love of truth; hence salted denotes that in which is this longing. The reason why there must be a longing of truth for good is that this longing is conjunctive of the two; for in so far as truth longs for good, so far it is conjoined with it. The conjunction of truth and good is what is called the heavenly marriage, which is heaven itself with man; and therefore when in Divine worship, and in each and all things of it, there is a longing for this conjunction, heaven is in each and all things there. Thus the Lord is in them. This is signified by the requirement that the incense should be salted. Salt has this signification from its conjunctive nature; for it conjoins all things, and from this gives them relish; salt even conjoins water and oil, which otherwise will not combine.




Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on June 08, 2008, 11:05:33 AM
Beautifully written, Mr. Brownman. Thank you for your personal interpretation. I personally like your figurative example in describing how salt signifies the truth for good.

My respects,
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Post by: Lorenzo on June 27, 2008, 12:58:48 PM
 In 2 Kings 2:8, we read that the waters of the Jordan were parted and Elijah and Elisha crossed over on dry ground. Where are there two more Biblical instances of waters being parted and the people passing over on dry ground?

Please write them.
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Post by: benelynne on June 27, 2008, 05:49:59 PM
Please write them. [/b]


(1) Exodus 14

This happened when Moses and the Israelites were pursued by the Egyptians and were hemmed in behind them by the marauding army and in front of them by the sea.

 21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided,

22 and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.

(2) Joshua 3

This happened when the Israelites led by Joshua, after taking over the helm from Moses who already died, were about to cross to the Promised Land and were given a divine sign that they would defeat the occupants of Canaan.

14 So when the people broke camp to cross the Jordan, the priests carrying the ark of the covenant went ahead of them.

15 Now the Jordan is in flood all during harvest. Yet as soon as the priests who carried the ark reached the Jordan and their feet touched the water's edge,

16 the water from upstream stopped flowing. It piled up in a heap a great distance away, at a town called Adam in the vicinity of Zarethan, while the water flowing down to the Sea of the Arabah (the Salt Sea) was completely cut off. So the people crossed over opposite Jericho.

17 The priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the middle of the Jordan, while all Israel passed by until the whole nation had completed the crossing on dry ground.
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Post by: simplylee on June 27, 2008, 08:56:26 PM
guys want to know how to live after this life? you have to study this, not just read but learn how

         B- basic
         I- instructions
         B- before
         L- leaving
         E- earth
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on June 27, 2008, 09:06:34 PM
ahaha

i like it Lee!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: simplylee on June 27, 2008, 09:07:50 PM
mao na among ginabuhat dire ka upat sa usa ka semana
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Post by: ms da binsi on June 27, 2008, 09:10:14 PM
Lee naa baja koy bible study sa una sa LA pa ko. It lasted for years, akong mga classmates mga bajut, adto mi sa akong apartment mag tipok, dajun naa sad mi pastor mo lead. That was fun and i wish i could find some people here in my town who are interested to do that thing. Mo host jud ko.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: simplylee on June 27, 2008, 09:12:16 PM
maayo bitaw na dili lang maghisgot ug tinuohan basta kay bible ra jud.
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Post by: ms da binsi on June 27, 2008, 09:35:08 PM
Mao man jud na ang buttom line ngano nga naay mga reliheyon nga lain2x. ang purpose unta gud para mag tapok kay tun-an ang bibliya.

I considered that group a small church baja! di ba ang church is not a structure? but a group of people, big and small???
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: simplylee on June 27, 2008, 09:57:02 PM
korek ka dyan ms da bins
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Post by: Lorenzo on June 28, 2008, 01:53:46 AM
Exodus 14[/b]

This happened when Moses and the Israelites were pursued by the Egyptians and were hemmed in behind them by the marauding army and in front of them by the sea.

 21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided,

22 and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.

(2) Joshua 3

This happened when the Israelites led by Joshua, after taking over the helm from Moses who already died, were about to cross to the Promised Land and were given a divine sign that they would defeat the occupants of Canaan.

14 So when the people broke camp to cross the Jordan, the priests carrying the ark of the covenant went ahead of them.

15 Now the Jordan is in flood all during harvest. Yet as soon as the priests who carried the ark reached the Jordan and their feet touched the water's edge,

16 the water from upstream stopped flowing. It piled up in a heap a great distance away, at a town called Adam in the vicinity of Zarethan, while the water flowing down to the Sea of the Arabah (the Salt Sea) was completely cut off. So the people crossed over opposite Jericho.

17 The priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the middle of the Jordan, while all Israel passed by until the whole nation had completed the crossing on dry ground.


Well answered, Tito Benne. Very thorough.

Lets continue, shall we?

According to Numbers 21:5-9, in what way did the people tempt God? How were they punished for tempting God? Lastly,  What does Paul mean when he says we "tempt the Lord"?


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Post by: simplylee on June 28, 2008, 08:47:51 AM
1. the israelites were always complaining even with God's provisions and blessings, their mental attitude are full of arrogance and sins so they cannot see what God did for them on the previous verses. they were looking at themselves rather than looking on what God did, can do and is doing for them. they spoke against God and they even blame moses for leading them out of slavery from egypt. as their punishment, the Lord sent fiery serpents, many were bitten and died. then the people realized that they sinned against God so the repent and asked moses to intercede
with the Lord, then with God's mercy and faithfulness He give solution to their problem by showing them that looking unto God is the answer not by looking unto themselves. the serpent on the standard is the shadow of what will happen on the cross. by believing what the Lord Jesus Christ has done on the cross gives us life which is eternal.
2. "tempt the Lord" can i ask the passage of the new testament about this.

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Post by: benelynne on June 28, 2008, 09:43:04 AM

Ari ko sa tupad nimo aning klase, kay murag malandagan ta ug dugang. In the New International Version that I read, the word used is "testing" God rather than "tempting"   Him. For example, the command in Deuteronomy 16:6 in the NIV version is "Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah."

I think, Dong, it would be advisable if you specify the version or translation of the Bible, as well as the particular text, so that we will have a common point of reference. I sometimes read more than two versions, sometimes Catholic and Protestant versions, just to get more understanding of the text.

I would also like to know which specific New Testament text you're referring to when Paul spoke of "tempting the Lord."
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2008, 04:25:39 AM
Numbers 21:5-9 divulges about the complaints of the Hebrews and their ill-contempt for the deliverance the LORD had promised them and had given them from Bondage.

'The people complained against God and Moses, "Why have you brought us up from Egypt to die in this desert, where there is no food or water? We are disgusted with this wretched food!'

In punishment the LORD sent among the people saraph serpents, which bit the people so that many of them died. Then the people came to Moses and said, "We have sinned in complaining against the LORD and you. Pray the LORD to take the serpents from us."

So Moses prayed for the people, and the LORD said to Moses,

"Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover."

Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.'


In this excerpt, it was the Hebrews that tempted the LORD with their arrogance and their ingratitude. They who were in bondage by Egypt for hundreds of years, whose same prayers rose to the Throne of Divine Mercy like sweet incense to be heard by The Almighty. That the Lord of Hosts sent Moses to be the deliverer of His People. Even after the miracles of the great plagues, even after the appearance of the Whirlwind of Fire that The LORD sent to hold back Pharaoh's charriots, and even after The LORD opened the Red Sea and SWALLOWED Pharaoh's Army at the same time; still the Hebrews would not stop complaining.

One here is reminded that 'tempting' the Lord Your God is by the use of words of arrogance, ingratitude, and sacrilegious actions in reference to the Divine Person.

We are reminded of this in In Deuteronomy 5, through Moses, He had rehearsed to the children of Israel the Ten Commandments. Then, in chapter 6, He told them to "love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might" (verse 5). He further told them to teach God's ways to their children, fear Him, stay away from other gods, and do "not tempt the LORD your God" (verses 7, 13-14, 16). As Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 show, God's blessings would flow to them if they were obedient—blessings that include the promise of protection.

And again in another verse;

In Matthew 4, Satan tempts Christ in various ways. At one point, he tries to get Jesus to throw Himself off the roof of the Temple, saying, "For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge concerning you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone'" (verse 6). Here Satan twists Psalm 91:11-12, which says, "For He shall give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways. They shall bear you up in their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone." God is promising protection to His people here, telling us that He will place His angels about us. He is not telling us to attempt to hurt ourselves in a deliberate effort to see if He will come through for us.

This, my brothers and sisters, is the ACT OF TEMPTING the Lord of Hosts. No One should EVER tempt the Lord, to see if the Lord Will Do or Not Do. The LORD wills things to happen because he has already seen the things that are yet to come. And came. As a Christian, all we have to do is BELIEVE and GLORIFY the LORD. Not 'tempt' him or 'test' him. In the grand scheme of things, we are but an insignificant speck in contrast to the Throne of the Divine Mercy. BUT it is in HIS GRACE that he cherishes us and LOVES us absolutely and UNCONDITIONALLY.

We are INSIGNIFICANT yet he LOVES us anyways.

We have NO RIGHT to Tempt the Lord, Our God. Only to Glorify Him. Now and Forever.

When Satan attempts to persuade Christ to jump off a building to prove that He truly is the Son of God, He answers the Devil, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the LORD your God'" (Matthew 4:7). Certainly, Jesus knew that God's angels were all about Him, but He also knew not to test God deliberately. Christ was quoting from Deuteronomy 6:16, where hundreds of years earlier, He Himself had said this very same thing to the Israelites. 


Tito Benne, The Only Bible I read is the one on my table, the Holy Bible: Catholica Magesterium
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 02, 2008, 12:07:27 PM
Let's continue.

Is circumcision necessary for salvation?
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Post by: ms da binsi on July 03, 2008, 01:13:52 AM
Salvation from germs ang unsa pa nang mga kagaw2x diha!

Thats all i can say. What has TULI something to do with GOD?

nothing, they only knew then nga ang tuli is a hygiene.

Nag sugod ang Tuli sa mga Jews, as far as i have known and they were not christians...

Jews are just the cleanest people I have ever known in my entire life, dili lang sa ilang genitals but in everything.
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 03, 2008, 03:00:25 AM

 Certain men from Jerusalem travel to Antioch and begin teaching that certain believers (Gentiles) must be circumcised in order to receive salvation (Acts 15:1, 5). After Paul and Barnabas discuss and dispute this teaching with those promoting it, they and other church members go to Jerusalem to confer about the issue with the apostles and elders (Acts 15:2, Galatians 2:1-2).

After arriving in Jerusalem Paul and Barnabas privately meet with James, Peter (Cephas) and John about the circumcision question (Galatians 2:4-10). The issue of whether converted Gentiles should be circumcised or not is then discussed with the entire church (Acts 15:6, 12, 22). It is ultimately decided that Gentiles need not be circumcised (Acts 15:19). A letter regarding this decision is delivered to the Gentile Christians in Antioch by a group composed of Paul, Barnabas, Silas and others (Acts 15:22-31).

Circumcision was mandated as a way to delineate which one was God's people. The Hebrews are circumcised because it was mandated by the Almighty as told in the Talmud. Many Christians to this day do this because of cultural and traditional methodology.

It links the relationship of Early Christianity with Jewish practices.
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Post by: benelynne on July 03, 2008, 05:39:11 PM

Hi Belle,

You saved me from a stressful day! Wa jud muot ang TB ug wa ka dire... Sa mga Bible Study ra ba, mas lively ang discussion kung naay mga interjection nga in-ani.
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Post by: ms da binsi on July 03, 2008, 07:58:23 PM



Thanks Bene san, kay ug sigi serious maka lutog ang mga mo attend sa bible study! hahaha

During the time of our  bible study Ben, was never a dull moment kay gawas sa naay bihon ug empanada nag huwat sa lamesa, puro pa jud mi mga bajut! pero we lasted for years baja sa among bible study, and we go to the same small but lively church...

Even in my Nursing School days in LA ako gihapon nag tig lagwgaw sa klase and yes even some of  my teachers emailed me every now and then that they missed me! hahahah
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 04, 2008, 01:47:22 AM
What is your personal interpretation of the saying,

"The Fear of God Includes a Full
Understanding of the Danger
and Consequences of Sin."


Please share your interjections, interpretation, argument etc.

Let's discuss!
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Post by: benelynne on July 04, 2008, 05:43:39 AM
Is circumcision necessary for salvation? [/b]

Circumcision was part of God's covenant with Abraham and the Jews:

Genesis 17

10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner— those who are not your offspring.

Circumcision was an external sign of a spiritual relationship, which set the Jews apart from the rest of mankind as the chosen people of God. However, history showed that the Jewish people became more and more fixated to the external signs, statutes, and ceremonies rather than their inward spirituality. Of course, this tendency is not peculiar to the Jews but resonates to human nature in general. Rather than facing our frailties, we explain away our violative tendencies through legalism.

The dispensation of grace, as contrasted to that of law, ushered in by Christ in the New Testament restores the pre-eminence of our relationship to God in our practice of spirituality. For instance, Christ has redefined the legalistic frames of such common offenses as "adultery" and "murder." We commit adultery not only when we lie in bed with someone not our spouse but also when we look at another person with lust. We commit murder not only when we kill a person by intent but also when we harbor deep hatred in our hearts towards him.

Thus, as with the Jews, we can no longer use physical circumcision as a blanket affirmation of our belongingness to God. Note that even in the Old Testament, physical circumcision was meant to come together with circumcision of our hearts, as was commanded in Deuteronomy 10 and 30. Unless our hearts are marked as of God, it does not matter much if we are externally marked as God's people in circumcision. We cannot use religious appearances in place of real spirituality of the heart.

Paul preached this in his letter to the Romans:

Romans 2
29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

Therefore, physical circumcision is not a necessary and essential condition for salvation, but spiritual circumcision is.
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 11, 2008, 02:44:55 AM
Excellent answer, Tito Benne. I agree jud with you, Tito.


Let us proceed to the next question, which, in my opinion, will be one of great interest and research for us.

What are the Biblical titles and names given to Jesus?

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Post by: Lorenzo on July 11, 2008, 02:55:34 AM
The List of Titles that are Exalted Unto the Name of Jesus Christ, The Only Incarnate Son of the Eternal and Living GOD.




    * Adam 1Corinthians 15:45

    * Advocate 1John 2:1

    * Almighty Revelation 1:8

    * Alpha and Omega Revelation 1:8

    * Amen Revelation 3:14

    * Angel Genesis 48:16; Exodus 23:20, 21

    * Angel of his presence Isaiah 63:9

    * Anointed Psalms 2:2

    * Apostle Hebrews 3:1

    * Arm of the Lord Isaiah 51:9, 10

    * Author and Finisher of our faith Hebrews 12:2

    * Beginning and end of the creation of God Revelation 3:14; 22:13

    * Beloved Ephesians 1:6

    * Blessed and only Potentate 1Timothy 6:15

    * Branch Jeremiah 23:5; Zechariah 3:8

    * Bread of life John 6:48

    * Bridegroom Matthew 9:15

    * Bright and Morning Star Revelation 22:16

    * Brightness of the Father's glory Hebrews 1:3

    * Captain of Salvation Hebrews 2:10

    * Carpenter Mark 6:3

    * Carpenter's son Matthew 13:55

    * Chief Shepherd 1Peter 5:4

    * Chief Cornerstone 1Peter 2:6

    * Chiefest among ten thousand Song of Songs 5:10

    * Child Isaiah 9:6; Luke 2:27, 43

    * Chosen of God 1Peter 2:4

    * Christ Matthew 1:16; Luke 9:20

    * The Christ (Messiah) Matthew 16:20; Mark 14:61

    * Christ, a King Luke 23:2

    * Christ Jesus Acts 19:4; Romans 3:24; 8:1; 1Corinthians 1:2, 30; Hebrews 3:1; 1Peter 5:10, 14

    * Christ Jesus our Lord 1Timothy 1:12; Romans 8:39

    * Christ of God Luke 9:20

    * Christ, the chosen of God Luke 23:35

    * Christ the Lord Luke 2:11

    * Christ, the power of God 1Corinthians 1:24

    * Christ the wisdom of God 1Corinthians 1:24

    * Christ, the Son of God Acts 9:20

    * Christ, Son of the Blessed Mark 14:61

    * Commander Isaiah 55:4

    * Consolation of Israel Luke 2:25

    * Cornerstone Ephesians 2:20

    * Counselor Isaiah 9:6

    * Covenant of the people Isaiah 42:6

    * David Jeremiah 30:9

    * Daysman Job 9:33

    * Dayspring Luke 1:78

    * Day Star 2Peter 1:19

    * Deliverer Romans 11:26

    * Desire of all nations Haggai 2:7

    * Door, the John 10:7

    * Elect Isaiah 42:1

    * Emmanuel Isaiah 7:14

    * Ensign Isaiah 11:10

    * Eternal Life 1John 5:20

    * Everlasting Father Isaiah 9:6

    * Faithful and True Revelation 19:11

    * Faithful Witness, the Revelation 1:5

    * Faithful and true witness, the Revelation 3:14

    * Finisher of faith Hebrews 12:2

    * First and last Revelation 1:17; 2:8; 22:13

    * First begotten Hebrews 1:6

    * First begotten of the dead Revelation 1:5

    * Firstborn Psalms 89:27

    * Foundation Isaiah 28:16

    * Fountain Zechariah 13:1

    * Forerunner Hebrews 6:20

    * Friend of sinners Matthew 11:19

    * Gift of God John 4:10

    * Glory of Israel Luke 2:32

    * God (deity) John 1:1

    * God blessed forever Romans 9:5

    * God manifest in the flesh 1Timothy 3:16

    * God of Israel, the Saviour Isaiah 45:15

    * God of the whole earth Isaiah 54:5

    * God our Saviour 1Timothy 2:3

    * God's dear Son Colossians 1:13

    * God with us Matthew 1:23

    * Good Master Matthew 19:16

    * Governor Matthew 2:6

    * Great Shepherd of the sheep Hebrews 13:20

    * Head of the ekklesia (body) Ephesians 1:22, 23; 5:23; Colossians 1:18, 24

    * Heir of all things Hebrews 1:2

    * High priest Hebrews 4:14

    * Head of every man 1Corinthians 11:3

    * Head of the corner Matthew 21:42

    * Holy child Jesus Acts 4:30     (Reference to the Blessed Santo Nino; "The Holy Child")

    * Holy one of God Mark 1:24

    * Holy one of Israel Isaiah 41:14; 54:5

    * Holy thing Luke 1:35

    * Hope (our) 1Timothy 1:1

    * Horn of salvation Luke 1:69

    * I AM John 8:58

    * Image of God Hebrews 1:3

    * Israel Isaiah 49:3

    * Jehovah Isaiah 40:3

    * Jehovah's fellow Zechariah 13:7

    * Jesus Matthew 1:21

    * Jesus Christ Matthew 1:1; John 1:17; 17:3; Acts 2:38; 4:10; 9:34; 10:36; Romans 1:1, 16:18; 3, 6; 2:16; 5:15, 17; 6:3; 1Corinthians 1:1, 4; 2:2; 2Corinthians 1:19; 4:6; 13:5; Galatians 2:16; Philippians 1:8; 2:11; 1Timothy 1:15;

 Hebrews 13:8; 1John 1:7; 2:1

    * Jesus Christ our Lord Romans 1:3; 6:11, 23; 1Corinthians 1:9; 7:25

    * Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 3:6

    * Jesus of Nazareth Mark 1:24; Luke 24:19

    * Jesus (of Nazareth), King of the Jews John 19:19; Matthew 27:37

    * Jesus, the Son of God Hebrews 4:14

    * Jesus, the Son of Joseph John 6:42

    * Judge Acts 10:42

    * Just man, Just person, Just One Matthew 27:19, 24; Acts 3:14; 7:52; 22:14

    * King Matthew 21:5

    * King of Israel John 1:49

    * King of the Jews Matthew 2:2

    * King of Saints Revelation 15:3

    * King of Kings 1Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14

    * King of Glory Psalms 24:7-10

    * King of Zion Matthew 21:5

    * King over all the earth Zechariah 14:9

    * Lamb Revelation 5:6, 8; 7:9, 6:16; 10, 17; 12:11; 13:8, 11; 14:1, 4; 15:3; 17:14; 21:9, 14, 22, 19:7, 9; 23, 27

    * Lamb of God John 1:29

    * Lawgiver Isaiah 33:22

    * Leader Isaiah 55:4

    * Life John 14:6

    * Light John 8:12

    * Light, everlasting Isaiah 60:20

    * Light of the world John 8:12

    * Light to the Gentiles Isaiah 42:6

    * Light, true John 1:9

    * Living Bread, the John 6:51

    * Living Stone 1Peter 2:4

    * Lion of the tribe of Judah Revelation 5:5

    * Lord Romans 1:3

    * Lord of Lords Revelation 17:14; 19:16

    * Lord of all Acts 10:36

    * Lord our righteousness Jeremiah 23:6

    * Lord God Almighty Revelation 15:3

    * Lord from heaven 1Corinthians 15:47

    * Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ 2Peter 1:11; 3:18

    * Lord Christ Colossians 3:24

    * Lord Jesus Acts 7:59; Colossians 3:17; 1Thessalonians 4:12

    * Lord Jesus Christ Acts 11:17; 16:31; 20:21; Romans 5:1, 11; 13:14

    * Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour Titus 1:4

    * Lord of glory James 2:1

    * Lord of Hosts (armies) Isaiah 44:6

    * Lord, mighty in battle Psalms 24:8

    * Lord of the dead and living Romans 14:9

    * Lord of the sabbath Mark 2:28

    * Lord over all Romans 10:12

    * Lord's Christ Luke 2:26

    * Lord, strong and mighty Psalms 24:8

    * Lord, the, our righteousness Jeremiah 23:6

    * Lord, your holy one Isaiah 43:15

    * Lord, your redeemer Isaiah 43:14

    * Man Christ Jesus 1Timothy 2:5

    * Man of sorrows Isaiah 53:3

    * Master Matthew 23:8

    * Mediator, the only 1Timothy 2:5

    * Messenger of the covenant Malachi 3:1

    * Messiah John 1:41

    * Messiah the Prince Daniel 9:25

    * Mighty God Isaiah 9:6

    * Mighty one of Israel Isaiah 30:29

    * Mighty one of Jacob Isaiah 49:26

    * Mighty to save Isaiah 63:1

    * Minister of the sanctuary Hebrews 8:2

    * Morning Star Revelation 22:16

    * Most holy Daniel 9:24

    * Most mighty Psalms 45:3

    * Nazarene Matthew 2:23

    * Offspring of David Revelation 22:16

    * Only begotten (Greek monogenes: one and only, unique) John 3:16

    * Only begotten (Greek monogenes: one and only, unique) of the Father John 1:14

    * Only begotten (Greek monogenes: one and only, unique) Son (the best mss. have "God" instead of "Son" here) John 1:18

    * Only wise God, our Saviour Jude 1:25

    * Overseer 1Peter 2:25

    * Passover, our 1Corinthians 5:7

    * Plant of renown Ezekiel 34:29

    * Potentate 1Timothy 6:15

    * Power of God 1Corinthians 1:24

    * Physician Matthew 9:12

    * Precious Cornerstone Isaiah 28:16

    * Priest Hebrews 7:17

    * Prince Acts 5:31

    * Prince of Life Acts 3:15

    * Prince of Peace Isaiah 9:6

    * Prince of the kings of the earth Revelation 1:5

    * Prophet Deuteronomy 18:15, 18; Matthew 21:11; Luke 24:19

    * Propitiation (expiation, our Sin-offering) 1John 2:2

    * Rabbi, Rabboni John 1:49; 20:16

    * Ransom 1Timothy 2:6

    * Redeemer Isaiah 59:20

    * Resurrection and the Life, the John 11:25

    * Redemption 1Corinthians 1:30

    * Righteous Branch Jeremiah 23:5

    * Righteous Judge 2Timothy 4:8

    * Righteous Servant Isaiah 53:11

    * Righteousness 1Corinthians 1:30

    * Rock 1Corinthians 10:4

    * Rock of Offence 1Peter 2:8

    * Root of David Revelation 5:5; 22:16

    * Root of Jesse Isaiah 11:10

    * Rose of Sharon Song of Songs 2:1

    * Ruler in Israel Micah 5:2

    * Salvation Luke 2:30

    * Sanctification 1Corinthians 1:30

    * Sanctuary Isaiah 8:14

    * Saviour Luke 2:11

    * Saviour, Jesus Christ 2Timothy 1:10; Titus 2:13; 2Peter 1:1

    * Saviour of the body (ekklesia) Ephesians 5:23

    * Saviour of the world 1John 4:14

    * Sceptre Numbers 24:17

    * Second Man, the 1Corinthians 15:47

    * Seed of David 2Timothy 2:8

    * Seed of the woman Genesis 3:15

    * Servant Isaiah 42:1

    * Servant of rulers Isaiah 49:7

    * Shepherd Mark 14:27

    * Shepherd and Overseer of souls 1Peter 2:25

    * Shepherd, Chief 1Peter 5:4

    * Shepherd, Good John 10:11

    * Shepherd, Great Hebrews 13:20

    * Shepherd of Israel Psalms 80:1

    * Shiloh Genesis 49:10

    * Son of the Father 2John 1:3

    * Son of God,

    * Son of Man,

    * Son of the Blessed One (God) Mark 14:61

    * Son of the Highest One (God) Luke 1:32

    * Son of David Matthew 9:27

    * Star Numbers 24:17

    * Sun of Righteousness Malachi 4:2

    * Surety (Guarantee) Hebrews 7:22

    * Stone Matthew 21:42

    * Stone of Stumbling 1Peter 2:8

    * Sure Foundation Isaiah 28:16

    * Teacher John 3:2

    * True God 1John 5:20

    * True Vine John 15:1

    * Truth John 14:6


    * Unspeakable Gift 2Corinthians 9:15

    * Very Christ Acts 9:22

    * Vine, the John 15:1

    * Way, the John 14:6

    * Which is, which was, which is to come (equivalent to the tetragrammaton (YHWH), the Eternal One, I AM THAT I AM) Revelation 1:4

    * Wisdom Proverbs 8:12

    * Wisdom of God, the 1Corinthians 1:24

    * Witness Isaiah 55:4; Revelation 1:5

    * Wonderful Isaiah 9:6

    * Word John 1:1

    * Word of God Revelation 19:13

    * Word of Life 1John 1:1



Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on July 11, 2008, 03:12:31 AM
Genesis 17[/b]

10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner— those who are not your offspring.

Circumcision was an external sign of a spiritual relationship, which set the Jews apart from the rest of mankind as the chosen people of God. However, history showed that the Jewish people became more and more fixated to the external signs, statutes, and ceremonies rather than their inward spirituality. Of course, this tendency is not peculiar to the Jews but resonates to human nature in general. Rather than facing our frailties, we explain away our violative tendencies through legalism.

The dispensation of grace, as contrasted to that of law, ushered in by Christ in the New Testament restores the pre-eminence of our relationship to God in our practice of spirituality. For instance, Christ has redefined the legalistic frames of such common offenses as "adultery" and "murder." We commit adultery not only when we lie in bed with someone not our spouse but also when we look at another person with lust. We commit murder not only when we kill a person by intent but also when we harbor deep hatred in our hearts towards him.

Thus, as with the Jews, we can no longer use physical circumcision as a blanket affirmation of our belongingness to God. Note that even in the Old Testament, physical circumcision was meant to come together with circumcision of our hearts, as was commanded in Deuteronomy 10 and 30. Unless our hearts are marked as of God, it does not matter much if we are externally marked as God's people in circumcision. We cannot use religious appearances in place of real spirituality of the heart.

Paul preached this in his letter to the Romans:

Romans 2
29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

Therefore, physical circumcision is not a necessary and essential condition for salvation, but spiritual circumcision is.



Most French are not circumcized, so far sa akong na kulokadidang! hahahha duha ra noon (im not kidding i dont want to be hypocrite here) and yet French are very catholic. So did they missed that part of the bible?
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 11, 2008, 10:06:38 AM
I never knew that, 'te. Very interesting indeed; new information jud ni for me.

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: benelynne on July 12, 2008, 07:28:26 PM


Dong Lorenzo, OT (Off-topic) sa ko from OT (Old Testament) Can't help but notice Belle look like French royalty in her new avatar. Unsay pasabot sa kulokadidang? Murag colorful kaayo ni nga lingwahe.

As Antoine de Saint Exupéry once said, "What is essential is invisible to the eye." So it is not the physical circumcision that you can see (even in the dark, Belle?) which matters to God, but circumcision of the heart--that is, setting oneself apart to be of Him and serve Him.
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 12, 2008, 07:44:22 PM
B,  dire sa most part sa Europe, at least in the nordic countries wa man ipractise ang circumcision or tuli.

pero tuli or wa parehas raman na sila kalami. Aw mora pod ug daghan ko natilawan. ha..ha..

bitaw..depende raman na sa laki kon hinloan or dili.:-))
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 12, 2008, 07:49:20 PM

Korek da Bins. To reiterate : what has tuli got to do with GOD?
hasta  man gani pari dire way tuli. ha.ha..ha..ha..

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 12, 2008, 07:52:44 PM
Dong Bran,

No offense meant pero di nako maget nang tanang nakasulat sa Old testament, because the fact that is it hard to fathom for normal people like us,
 I find some of its content inconsistent with the worlds present reality.


Cheers!


Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Bambi on July 12, 2008, 08:26:54 PM

Yes Bayat you are right as what Ms Asianfairy also commented.  Most of the Europians are not circumcized....it took me a lot of time to find the "Tinuli" one...well, am lucky and happy to enjoy GOD's order? Love will accept all orders....circumcized or not!   Well, tinuli ug dili way gjod ang Diyos ani gipili, di ba? Mag-unsa kod ka ug tinuli ang  tawo unja rapist diay? Di....barbequhon lang gihapon siya sa imperno, di ba? Mao gani nga dili gjod ko mobasa ug Bible kay basin ug nagsobra na ring ahong mga mortal sins. By the way, the muslims woman at young age "tilanggon"  man is this just similar to tuli?...sus...maajo gani kay dili pod tang mga Katoliko nga babaye ipatilang...Haskang pangita na kay kuhaon ang pitiw unja mao raba nay "G" point...unsaon nalang? :'( Pastilan....

Si Benelynne,   I think what Bayat meant for "kulokadidang" kadton iyang gi-iring2x sa una nga young French man....or :-\ di ba Bayat? Apir diha!
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Bambi on July 12, 2008, 08:41:49 PM

OH Asianfairy you are so cute! whahahahaha    ;D  Wala bitaw  gipili ang atong Ginoo ug pisot ba o tinuli parehas ra ni sa virgin o dugay na bang nangabunggi...sa mata sa Diyos tawo tang tanan mga makasasala, di ba? Depende ra sa atong binuhatan dinhi sa kalibutan. Unsa man motilaw tag daghan b4 it is too late?  Haskang paita siguro if God will ask : O unsa Bambina kinsay imong "gikukalidang" sa buhi kapa tinuli ba o dili?  Ug Pisot additional sin na unja pod...hala mga gurls hulinga ug una before committing a mortal sin.  ;)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 12, 2008, 09:31:02 PM
ms. Bambi bahakhak gyod ko usara dire ron katawa. LOL!!!

Ganahan ko tinood nimo kay very practical gyod ka nga pagka tawo. I just love you so dear Bambi.

Sus tinood na zamo. unsaon nato nang tinuli pod unya di diay mogahi? ha,.,.ha..hala ka X-rated naman diay ko ani. ha..ha...

Miss chatting to you Ms. Bams. Dia pamis Denmark hangtod ron. Mosuroy unta mis Legoland rong adlawa pero nagbunok ulan mao dia mis hotel nagtikongkong. Good that i have my laptop and can connect to TB anytime.
How was your Paris trip? very romantic, I presume. :D
Kram!
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 12, 2008, 09:33:39 PM

Looy bitaw ni silang mga muslim baye no? sus wala nila mafeel kon unsa ang mahilangit.
It is very wrong practise. Pero nagsugod na baya pod sila ug kahigmata ..

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 12, 2008, 09:35:57 PM
Ms da Bins naibog ko nimo kay naka kulukadidang na diay ka ug French. Mga caring ra ba na sila. :-))


Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: benelynne on July 12, 2008, 10:33:30 PM

Dong Enzo, kaning imong mga pupils gipulihan imong kurikulum ug kulukadidang. Balik ta sa kumsisyon...
Bible study baja ni...
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 12, 2008, 11:09:31 PM
Sir thanks for reminding us nga bible study man diay subject ani.
kini man god si da Bins:-))

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on July 12, 2008, 11:14:51 PM
bwahahahha

karon pa ko kaukab ani ug usab haskang katawa naho diri! hahahha

sus ma bughat jud ni ahong inibtan ug ngipon karon!

hahhahahhahha
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: benelynne on July 12, 2008, 11:17:33 PM

Welcome man kaajo commercial break, mas bibo man hinuon when real issues are raised vis-a-vis Biblical teaching. Am sure Dong Enzo is broad-minded regarding these matters.
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on July 12, 2008, 11:20:17 PM



Bayat ang gi tuli still can have orgasm kay wa man na putla ang ilang mga G spots (i think) and i only knew about the muslim women nga gi tangtangan ug G spots? is that true? pastilan! diili na jud sila ka feel ug lami like heaven as what A said?

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: orChids on July 12, 2008, 11:32:41 PM
Kulukadidang?Kalami aning webster binisdak.hahahahhahahaha
Ayaw jod ko hisguti ug bahin sa tuli kay malibat ko. ;D pasayloa tawon ang nakawagtang sa topic.hahahaha.What is TB without kulukadidang.
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 13, 2008, 12:00:06 AM
sis Aya, what is TB without the igat club. kabalo kana kinsay mga membro ana. hat-.-hat!!

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on July 13, 2008, 12:47:14 AM



A, what is TB without the IGAT club? sus ka boring tingali! hahahaha

ang presidente sa Igat club kay akong i appoint si Bayat a.k.a Bambi, kumadreng Tigolsna, BOC!!! ;D

hahahahhaha
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 13, 2008, 02:25:19 AM

The reason why I asked the question was to see if we can find any biblical reference to the practice of circumcision, which has been a practice to not only of the People of the Book (the Jewish people) as well as Early Christians and even to Orthodox and Catholics to this present era.

The question was to see if we could find any specific reference that supports it or disinclines the use of circumcision. And as we found out, there were passages in scripture that supports the traditional use of circumcission--initially it was mandated by the Most High to the Hebrews as a sign of the covenant between Abraham and The Most High.

The specific scriptural passage that indicates this is found in Genesis 17:9-10 which states,

And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

and again in Romans 4:11

And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.

and again in Genesis 17:12-13

And THE LORD said unto him, And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.


Though there are scriptural references of circumcission in the Old Testament, from which we have observed in these specific passages, there were other references in the New Testament that indicates that salvation does not require circumcission. The act of circumcission was intended for the Jews, the Chosen People {People of the Book}. For modern Christians to be circumcissed or not is within their own choosing; it is an act of faith and or personal conviction.

Because we know that salvation does not require circumcission, but faith and acceptance in Christ Jesus. Who is the Word Incarnate.

We have specific reference for this.


Circumcision applied to the slaves of Jews. Apart from that, circumcision never applied to people outside the Jewish faith. The first covenant was not with other nations. All other people were described as uncircumcised, even those who practised circumcision (Jeremiah 9:25-26). Circumcision never applied to Christians (Acts 15:5-11). The Apostle Peter, who was circumcised, said:

... we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.
-Acts 15:11

No. Christians were freed from the Law, including circumcision (Acts 15:1-20). It was described as an almost unbearable yoke on the neck (Acts 15: 10). The yoke, of course, was a sign of slavery and Christians were told not to become entangled with 'a yoke of bondage' (Galatians 5:1-2).

The Law as we read it contains things that appall us, such as forcing a rapist to marry his victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) or rejecting people born out of wedlock and their descendants (Deuteronomy 23:2). However, almost all of us read the Law in translation, which inevitably changes and distorts the text. Even fewer read it with a background of the checks, balances and insights of the Jewish oral and legal tradition. This has contributed to atrocities such as when Christians used Exodus 22:18 to justify the slaughter of 'witches' or other verses to justify slavery and the slave trade (e.g., Exodus 21:2-11, 20-21, Leviticus 25:44-46 and Deuteronomy 20:10-15).

Christ Jesus even mentioned circumcission in his teachings, we see this in John 7:14

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


I respect your opinion, Tita, however the question in hand was poking on the topic of scriptural support or the antithesis of the act of circumcission.

Whether the French or not are circumcised or not has nothing to do with the subject matter. As the French were not in question; Europeans, Africans, etc.

You get my point.

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 13, 2008, 02:34:57 AM

Tito Benne, Am very open minded about this. And I think its good to see other people's points of views. But for me, though there are some instances of scriptural discrepancies, if one reads the whole text of the Holy Bible, most of the discrepancies are explained and cleared. It is when individuals twist the meaning of scripture to fulfill an agenda or if they simply wish to focus on one particular passage and ignore the whole; that becomes a problem.

Every text in the Holy Bible, from Old Testament to the New Testament is not 'illogical' nor is it 'unimportant'. It is THE WORD OF GOD.

And we are here to study and gain a better, wider, fuller understanding of his voice.

Not to drown His voice with personal ramifications and side convictions.

Hope you all understand.


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 13, 2008, 02:56:48 AM
Doy Bran, thanks.

Pero magsabtanay nalang ta Doy ha kay lainlain man ta beliefs. para nako ang bible tawo rapod nagsulat ana.
Mora raba pod na ug biography ba about God.

And again, I believe that there is GOD but I dont believe every words written in the bible.
Pero daghan baya maayong basahon pod. Ganahan ko mobasa anang Psalms.

I also believe in miracles, kay kadaghan nako makaexperience ana.

Cheers!

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 13, 2008, 03:01:19 AM
Amen to you Tita.

We all have different views, like the sands of the earth, we all are shaped, look, and think different. Just as the sands and pebbles of the earth are not identical to one another.

And again, it is always a pleasure to read your thoughts, we all learn from different views.

God Bless You, my fellow Valencianon.


Truly,
Bran Lorenzo
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Ligalig-Mike on July 13, 2008, 03:08:27 AM
From author and preacher John McArthur on the belief that every word in the Bible is inspired by God and is used by God to speak to humans.

a)1 Corinthians 2:13--Paul said, "We speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth." Paul claimed it was the words, not just the thoughts that are inspired.

 b) John 17:8--Jesus said to the Father, "I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me." In the Old Testament phrases such as "thus saith the Lord," "the word of the Lord came," and "God said" are repeated over 3800 times. Clearly God communicates by words.

 c) Galatians 1:11-12--Paul said, "I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Paul got the gospel from God, not men.

 d) Exodus 4:12--God said to Moses, "I will be with thy mouth and teach thee what thou shalt say." Forty years later Moses said to Israel, "Ye shall not add unto the word which I commanded you, neither shall ye diminish anything from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you" (Deut. 4:2). Words spoken by God are not to be taken away from or added to.

 e) 1 Peter 1:10-11--Peter wrote that "the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you, searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ who was in them did signify." This verse is a power argument against thought inspiration. The Holy Spirit gave the prophets a message about the Messiah, which they recorded. Then they sought to understand the meaning of their own proclamations. So there were times when the prophets received and recorded words that they did not fully understand. So it was words not thoughts that they pondered on, which again is evidence that inspiration is verbal.

 f) Matthew 24:35--Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." It is the words in the Bible that God has given. Pronouns, prepositions, and conjunctions are important.

 g) 1 Corinthians 14:37--Paul said, "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." A spiritual man will recognize that Paul's writings are the very words of God.

to read the full version of this exposion, please click this link (http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1343.htm)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 13, 2008, 03:10:56 AM


PS.
Dong Bran, ang ako buot ipaibot sa akong "dili logical" nga comments nga ang ubang nasulat sa bibliya morag lisod ipractise in reality. And you are aware yourself  that even priest commits really BIG sins by sexually abusing young boys and not getting married but have many mistresses.

Mao na angay nalang unta itugot nalang na na sa catholic church nga paminyoon ang mga pari kay sa makasala ra sila.

Unya I dont believe nga kon way tuli di mahilangit???
OMG.

Sa una ako baya na nahurot basa ang New testament pero pagkahuman nalibog rako. :D

Ms. Bams...mobasa bapod ka ug bibliya?
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Ligalig-Mike on July 13, 2008, 03:12:01 AM
More from John McArthur on the belief that the Bible is God-breathed and its every word is inspired by God.

1. It (the Bible) is God-breathed

Second Timothy 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (Gk.,  theopneustos, "God-breathed").

Scripture proceeded from the mouth of God. In a sense both special and natural revelation are the product of God's spoken word. Psalm 33:6 says, "By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth". God breathed the universe and the Bible into existence. Thus when Scripture speaks God speaks. For example in Exodus 9:16 God says to Pharaoh, "In very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, to show in thee my power." But Romans 9:17 says, "The scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee." Paul attributes to Scripture what was spoken by God. God and Scripture are used interchangeably. As Paul says in Romans 3:2, the Scriptures are the "oracles of God."

 a) Jeremiah--In chapter 1 he wrote, "The word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the womb, I knew thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (vv. 4-5). Then Jeremiah records God as saying, "Whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak. Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth" (vv. 7, 9). In chapter 5 God says to Jeremiah, "I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them" (v. 14). Jeremiah responds to God in chapter 15, "Thy words were found, and I did eat them" (v. 16). Later, in the same chapter, God gave this promise to him, "If thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth" (v. 19).

 b) Ezekiel--God said to Ezekiel, "Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee, receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. And go unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them" (Ezek. 3:10-11). God gave Ezekiel the exact words to say.

 c) Paul--Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. For thou shalt be his witness unto men of what thou hast seen and heard" (Acts 22:14-15).

 d) John--In Revelation chapter 1 John wrote, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter" (vv. 10-11, 19).

So the men who wrote the Old and New Testaments were commissioned by God to write His words. Paul's words to Felix reinforce the fact that we can trust the Bible as the Word of God: "This I confess unto thee that, after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets" (Acts 24:14).

2. It includes all Scripture

The Greek term  pasa can be translated "all" or "every." However, when Paul wrote 2 Timothy 3:16 the New Testament canon was not closed. Therefore some believe "all" can refer only to the Old Testament. But that interpretation places a time restriction upon "all" that is not warranted by the text. All Scripture is inspired of God whether it precedes or follows Paul's second epistle to Timothy.

Jesus said "the scripture cannot be broken" (John 10.35). That includes Scripture that had been written, was being written, and would be written.

3. It points only to Scripture

The Greek word translated "scripture" (graphe) means "writing." However not all writing is God-breathed. Paul said to Timothy, "From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures" (2 Tim. 3:15). Only holy writing is God-breathed. 

To read more of John McArthur's article,
please click this link (http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1343.htm)
Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 13, 2008, 03:16:18 AM
please click this link[/url]

To God Be All Glory and Praise.

That he gave man a mouth to speak the truth, a heart to console and be consoled, the mind to see the truth and the spirit to hear the Word of God.

Title: Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 13, 2008, 03:29:05 AM
Mike, salamat ani.

Hala ka basin imo nako i-ban dires TB kay wa ko motoo tanan sa storya sa bible? Di nalang ko makigdebate bahin ani kay basin di gyod ta maghuman unya. :-))

Cheers to you and doy Bran!!
Love yah both.



please click this link[/url]
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: asianfairy on July 13, 2008, 03:30:57 AM
B, ay sekondemotion.:-) Unya si sis Lita maoy sexytary? Si sis Aya maoy Muse?


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Ligalig-Mike on July 13, 2008, 03:32:16 AM

Dear Alicia,

Freedom of speech is the sweetest gift of democracy.

Love you always...
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Bambi on July 13, 2008, 03:32:48 AM
Ms. Bams...mobasa bapod ka ug bibliya?[/size]


Yes dear Asianfairy in my virgin days but I was more confused as I did understand about some phrases and citations. It was written there...as far as I could remember "Ayaw paghilawas basta wala ka pay bendisyon sa kaminyoon" murag ingon ato...Of course, had obeyed it.  Now, am considered as a great sinner committing adultery being married for the second time.   My prayer: "Lord, I have sinned in my life and I beg you to accept it BUT I think it is too early for you to forgive me for who knows I will commit again the same. Dear Lord, forgive me for what I mortally  did yesterday and the coming failures in which  as human  I might easily do". And I thank you LORD for giving me this  joy with the life partner that you have shared to me.   I do have my own belief that there is one GOD and I think it is enough to praise and thank HIM for the good things he has given me and I hope that HE will entertain more those who are really in needs.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on July 13, 2008, 03:42:31 AM
Re Insoy:
Whether the French or not are circumcised or not has nothing to do with the subject matter. As the French were not in question; Europeans, Africans, etc.

Yes Dodong they have nothing to do with the subject matter but we should always remember nga we are very young in this world. Before Philippines there was  Amerika and before Amerika there was already these europians existed, and even some continents got lost already, we should not ignore them in some of the discussions and why i included them in my examples.

I can not just read the bible and follow even not reflicting the people in the past. If you solely read and follow the bible it is like you are locked in the house without doors and windows  and can never compare and reflect the people around you, i think it is wrong.

Before our time there were not so many reading materials, internet or whatever magazines, all they have is the bible and some of Sheakespear's books and others. Karon, dont you think they ignored everything what is written in the bible? nga they were the first who got christianized?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 13, 2008, 03:45:56 AM

Tita,

Friendly and constructive exchange of thoughts ra man ni. And I treasure your words as that of anyone else's.

Love you too,
Bran
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: B:) on July 13, 2008, 05:21:59 AM
hi guys, this is my first time in this thread and read lots of interesting insights. I am very aware about the BIBLE. Ever since I stepped in to a Catholic school up to I graduated college, I thought I know everything about it. It was when I came to the US with so much materials to read and see that I came to realize that there are plenty of things to know more about it. And it even became more interesting when I get the chance to go into the Vatican City in Rome Italy. That was the time when my Faith finally gets into the point where I say, I know where I stand now.
 

but here's my question, did you know who wrote the bible? this question is for you Bran specially since you are the one who started the thread. From then on I'll see what I can add.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: benelynne on July 13, 2008, 06:37:17 AM

I fully agree with you in this regard, Dong. In fact, since the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and is God-breathed, it has unity of thought. Seeming discrepancies are actually fragments of one whole consistent truth. Only the most literal and superficial reading of the Bible can make it seem illogical...
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: benelynne on July 13, 2008, 07:05:24 AM
I attend a Bible Study almost every Sunday evening and we go one chapter at a time, starting from Genesis. We are now in 1st Kings 22. The New Testament is easier to read and the thread of thought easier to follow, so I advise beginners to start here. The Old Testament can be very challenging because it has to be understood on different levels--from the literal and historical to the highly figurative and spiritual plane.

It is good to study the O.T. with the guidance of someone well-versed in it because one can be confused by passages seemingly contrary to Christian thinking--like why God blessed Abraham who lied about many things and slept with his maid, Jacob who cheated his brother Esau and slept with both sisters, why David who slept with his general's wife and schemed to kill him is called a "man after God's own heart", why God ordered total annihilation of pagans when the Israel moved into the Promised Land, etc. etc.

In our group, we have a Taiwanese pastor, Filipino PhD candidates in the natural sciences, undergraduate students and plain housewives. The most interesting questions--which force us to think really deeply--come from one Japanese housewife whose question always gives rise to more questions, most of them really hilarious. (I recall the interjections of Belle here.) We attempt to answer in the best way we can, without taking offense, and we sometimes go home without really clear answers to those questions. We don't feel we have one muscle less in the strength of our faith, and we always look forward to the next session.

Somehow, the process of addressing these questions, more than giving any definitive answer itself, is what builds our faith...

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Post by: Lorenzo on July 13, 2008, 08:57:08 AM

Beth, I will try to answer this to the best of my ability, but I also invite persons who know and have studied the Bible more than I; per se Tito Benne and Brod Mike.

For me, Beth,

The Bible itself are works of men who have been inspired by the Power of the Holy Spirit. Or as what Tito Benne put it as, "God-Breathed".

"Who wrote the Bible” is a question that can be definitively answered by examining the biblical texts in light of the external evidences that supports its claims. 2 Timothy 3:16 states that “All scripture is inspired by God….” In 2 Peter 1:20-21, Peter reminds the reader to “know this first of all, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, … but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” The Bible itself tells us that it is God who is the author of His book.

God does not leave us with just claims of His divine handiwork in the Bible, but also supports it with compelling evidence. The design of the Bible itself is a miracle. Written over more than 1,500 years by vastly different writers, yet every book in the Bible is consistent in its message. These 66 books talk about history, prophecy, poetry, and theology. Despite their complexity, differences in writing styles and vast time periods, the books of the Bible agree miraculously well in theme, facts and cross-referencing. No human beings could have planned such an intricate combination of books over a 1,500-year time span. Bible manuscripts (remember, there were no printing presses until 1455) have survived despite weather, persecution and time. Most ancient writings written on weak materials like papyrus have vanished all together. Yet many copies of the Old Testament scriptures survived. For instance, the Dead Sea Scrolls contain all books of the Old Testament, except Esther, and have been dated to before the time of Christ. Consider Julius Caesar’s Gallic Wars. Only ten copies written about 1,000 years after the event are in existence. In comparison, there are over 24,000+ New Testament manuscripts, the earliest one dating to within 24 years after Christ.

The Bible also validates its divine authorship through fulfilled prophecies. An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled and none have ever been proven false (three are unconfirmed). An honest study of biblical prophecy will compellingly show the divine authorship of the Bible. Further, archeology confirms (or in some cases supports) accounts in the biblical record. No other holy book comes close to the Bible in the amount of evidence supporting its divine authorship.


During services for Adoration of the Holy Sacrament, whenever the priest reads the stories within the gospel (for that particular day), I will cry. And for me, I've started attending Adorations for the Blessed Sacrament as of late, and have come to know elderly women who attend it on a regular basis.

Talking to them, and hearing their interpretations and their life experiences that revolves around the particular scriptural lesson within the gospel reading empowers me.

For me, I find strength in their faith. My faith increases in seeing their own faith. Ako, ma moved man jud ko to see elderly women in their golden ages of 80+ who have unwavering faith. And call on the Name of Jesus. Seeing them cry when the Priest presents the chalice that holds the Blessed Host--even evokes me to cry.

You can feel a presence of Holiness. Naa'y sense of peace. One that can even move a stubborn man such as myself to tears. Christ Have Mercy. Christ IS Mercy.

:)





Cheers,
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Post by: asianfairy on July 13, 2008, 01:41:41 PM
Hala mora ug natouch nako ang G point ani.Kadugayan basin duna nay magdala ug sundang. he..he,

Seriously: I must apologized for my  injudicious way of describing my comments re the bible.
However I stand firm in my persuasion that some religious interpretations of the words in the bible made is not consistent with the worlds present reality.

The bible has been a subject of confute for many great men in the past and present and albeit I am no expert in the study of religious doctrines and matters of divinity, I do have my own way of understanding the bible and still I am amazed that the catholic church and the protestant is NOT in harmony in their interpretation of the  scriptures when both have studied the same ONE Bible.


A few vivid examples:

Ok ra sa mga protestant nga ang pastor magminyo ug manganak,
ang katoliko di gyod paminyoon ang pari.

Ang protestante di motoo or moworship aning mga birhen2x , ang mga katoliko sigi gihapon ug worship ani.
Ang katoliko ila gihapon pangadyean ang tawo nga patay na para daw mahilangit ang protestante dili na.


And even protestants in the Philippines and Europe are NOT agreeable about how they practised their beliefs. Here protestant dont consider PS a sin. In Phils, it is.

So who among these two great religious denomination is being literal or superficial in reading the bible?

We all are sinners and no one is better than the other. Who gives the heads of the church the right to declare that homos are guilty of wrongdoings according to the bible when they themselves are?


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Post by: asianfairy on July 13, 2008, 02:43:03 PM
PS:

Ako na gimodify tong akong earlier comments sa page 8 para di tanto ostentatious paminawon. :)
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 13, 2008, 10:19:02 PM
Very good points, Tita.

Despite the differences between Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants; differences in preaching scripture, differences in tradition, differences in methodology. In the long run, my dear Tita, we are all praising and worshiping the same ONE and ETERNAL and LIVING GOD. To whom there is no equal, no impossibilities, no one too 'small' for his mercies and his Love.

Katoliko, Baptist, Methodist, Orthodox, Born Again, etc. Why must we persecute each other when we all believe and accept Christ Jesus. God The Father and God the Holy Spirit.

I take these things with a grain of salt and accept the circumstances as it is presented to us. As what History has presented to us.

Tita, even the apostles Paul and Simon Peter disputed and disagreed. Like us, they were also human. But looking at their teachings in perspective, one cannot help but acquiesce to the fact that they both preached the same theme. The manner of ministery differed, but the Word that was taught was the same.

I have no problems with Protestants. Many of my closest friends are protestants and I used to attend a Protestant Bible Study in college; I had very colorful and genuinely spiritual lessons with them. Same theme, but different perspective--which is, almost if not exactly similar to that of what Catholic Church teaches.

Sige, let us all get back to biblical studies here. Who wants to start next? Tito Benne. By your lead, please.
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Post by: C2H4 on July 13, 2008, 10:25:32 PM

Hala, tinuod gyud nang ubang mga pari gyud. Ambot na mention naman cguro nako nga akong uncle sa una naay problema sa iyang asawa mag cge sila adto sa kumbento kay magpa counseling ni Pader, na unsa naba nga lahi man nga klase sa counseling gihimo ni Pader oi. Hangtod karon, toa pa ang ex-wife sa akong uncle cgeg pa counseling ni Pader. Ngeks.

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Post by: benelynne on July 13, 2008, 10:32:35 PM

I was raised a Catholic and received education from the Jesuits until college. When I got married, I started attending my wife's Protestant church just so we could be together on Sundays, and I found the free expression of worship liberating and exhilarating. I think there is an abundance of common ground in both for me to dwell in the differences.

I believe we can't be saved by religion. We are saved by our faith. Daghan pud ko disillusionments sa mga pari, but I also have first-hand experience of the weaknesses of pastors. So I don't focus on the frailties of man but on the perfection of God.
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Post by: simplylee on July 13, 2008, 10:32:48 PM
makalibog bitaw basahon na ang bibliya. kinahanglan dili lang na basahon tun-an gyod. pareha sa schoolroom situation nga naay maestro ug naa pod mga studyante.
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Post by: benelynne on July 13, 2008, 10:42:22 PM

Tinuod jud ni, Tita Lee. My interest in the Bible was aroused by a brilliant Japanese preacher whose expertise is the Old Testament. I was requested to interpret his preaching from Japanese to English everytime he preached at church. I had confidence in my language ability, but I realized that if you don't have a firm grasp of the content, you can't really interpret from one language to another effectively. So I started reading the Bibile, especially the Old Testament and the history of Israel. Auspiciously, I had a Christian study group that really patiently egged me on until I was able to catch up. Until now, I am still attending our Sunday evening sessions. Today, we finished 1 Kings 21 having more questions than answers... But if God's Word were so easily comprehensible, it would perhaps be because we are reducing His message to human terms. So we have learned to appreciate what we do not fully understand.
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Post by: C2H4 on July 13, 2008, 10:43:49 PM

Very well said, Mr Bene. Sakto gyud, religion doesn't save us. Ang mga pari mga tawo ra man pud na sila, kung makasala sila, it's between them and God. It doesn't disillusion me, coz mas daghan man ko kaila nga mga maayo kaayo nga pari. Do you know Fr. Chapman SJ? He was my most beloved priest. I cried for days when he died.

With regards adtong pari nga cgeg counseling adtong ex-wife sa akong uncle, na affected baya gyud ang parish. Kay giluod siguro ang mga tawo maminaw niya magwali sa misa about God's teachings, unya cge siyag counseling on the side. I think the counseling has been going on for close to ten years now. What I don't understand is why wala gi futbol sa Obispo ning paria.
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Post by: ms da binsi on July 13, 2008, 10:49:29 PM
because the bishop himself knows that these priest are also human beings! Thyl as long as dili batang laki ang ilang gi on the side i really dont care bahalag daghan pa nga baje ilang gi kulokadidang, i dont care too cuz that is very normal.

Mao bitaw na nga until now sigi pa na gi debate sa Vatican nga ang pari should get married. Mo opposed tinali sad ang mga BADIDAT nga pari. haaay i dont know. I never went to church anymore for a long time. Bahala mo agree mo ug dili, basta I feel like am in HEAVEN now.  ;D  ;D
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Post by: simplylee on July 13, 2008, 10:53:09 PM
i agree! it is not advisable to study the bible on your own you have to have your right pastor-teacher(one of the spiritual gifts given by the Holy Spirit) who can help you understand the meaning of the written WORD. understanding the WORD needs isagogical, categorical and exegetical explanation.
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Post by: benelynne on July 13, 2008, 10:54:07 PM

We should at least be answerable to the laws of man before we can claim to stand for the laws of God and claim to be His servants. Erring clergymen, whether Catholic or Protestant, should be made to answer for their action. Ang problema ron sa Catholic Church, which the Church itself honestly admits, is the shortage of seminarians ug katong gusto mupari, so removal of a priest may deprive some parishes of a shepherd. Galing lang kay ug nasalaag ang shepherd, labin na jud ang mga kordero. Bitaw, affected parties should instigate formal action to relieve him.
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Post by: Bambi on July 14, 2008, 04:33:39 AM
Oh my dear BB...lucky aunt or poor uncle? whahahahaha  ;D  I'm sorry and do excuse I could just help myself. I think this Pader has more Power![/size]


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Post by: Bambi on July 14, 2008, 04:35:20 AM

Well said Ms. simplylee
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 14, 2008, 06:40:21 AM

This is true that religion does not save, it is in Faith and in Acting on Faith itself. The structure of religion does encourage the increase and development of faith through the reading and interpretation of scripture with fellow worshipers. This also includes in the act of adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, Prayers, Litanies, and the act of consecration.

As one who struggled with faith during my adolescent years, particularly all throughout my high school years, I particularly found it hard to accept the rules and structure of the Catholic Church. At the time.

When I left for college, it was when I was alone and distant from my parents and family, physically, that I found and reaffirmed my faith. Kai sa una when ever we would go to church, all liturgical teachings would pass me; that or i would dismiss the words as mere heresay, as mere stories and nothing more.

In college, I immediately realized that I needed something to hold me together. Even logical understandings and scientific methodology could not explain a natural need to 'believe'. I befriended a very good friend of mine to this day, Fr. Mark Hoffman, the catholic chaplain in my college. And I must say that we would have long-ended, glorious, and mind-refreshing conversations. Ranging to questions and talks on scripture, on politics, history and deeply on prayer.

I will always remember the words of Fr. Mark because he always stressed to me the power of PRAYER. He would tell me, "Al, you must open yourself to the Holy Spirit, open yourself to the word of God. To the name of Jesus. Many Americans, are deaf. Not physically deaf, but deaf to the call of God as it is in prayer that He communicates with us and it is in solid and candid prayer that we can truly understand what He has planned for us. Or accept the things that we cannot change and to find strength in what will and what has already happened."

My relationship with Fr. Mark Hoffman has reconnected me. I always thank him for allowing me to be "Born Again" Catholic . On the September of 2006 my sister and I enrolled for Catholic Confirmation with many catholic students as well as municipal members. We studied scripture with Fr. Mark and other ecclesiastical members. We read the entire bible; story per story, and our meetings were 3 times a week. Sometimes it would last from 3 hours to even 5 hours. Depending on the questions we had. LoL

Oh How I loved it! It has allowed me to accept and understand the structure of the Holy Catholic Church, and the teachings, the adoration of the sacraments, and most of all the adoration and consecration of the Holy Gospel.

There is no feeling that can describe the beauty of prayer, of worshiping and singing praises to Our Father. It is true though, that religion does not save, but religion itself can influence and increase Faith itself. Faith comes to the individual. God Claims His Own in due time. Trust me.

For me, mo add lang ko sa aning mga priestly order. I do understand the points of what you guys are saying; and do agree with you that some of these instances of priests molesting young children is completely abhorable. These individuals do not represent the holy order of priests. These are exceptions, and I can only pray for them for the forgiveness of their souls for their actions. It is not right for us to condemn, but to pray for them so that mercy shall be given to them from God. But on a human level, I believe that they should be punished harshly and accordingly to their actions.

Outside of that, the holy orders of priesthood and sisterhood, brotherhood and missionary work are holy orders. God has spoken to them to join in order to spread His Word. And these callings are genuine and true. For that I truly respect priests and those who are seminarian majors and seminarian minors. For they have answered what many do not.

:)



Blessed Be God The Most High,
and Peace to His People on Earth,
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Post by: ms da binsi on July 14, 2008, 06:52:43 AM
Ay! i have a question?


What is that Holy Water for?
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Post by: benelynne on July 14, 2008, 06:57:44 AM
Dong Lorenzo,

I really admire intelligent, young men, pursuing academic study in the sciences whose foundation of faith is strong. You seem just like one of the guys I sit down with every Sunday evening for a Bible study. Among the really active members of our group are PhD candidates in Chemistry, Remote Sensing Technology, Biotechnology, Physics, etc. in the University of Tsukuba and research institutes surrounding it. Our Taiwanese pastor is himself a master's degree holder in Mechanical Engineering, aside from his M.A. in divinity at an American theological school. With such a multi-disciplinary background, our discussion and reflection of the Word becomes even more interesting. We do express wonder, surprise, confusion, and sometimes a generous dose of laughter at passages we don't understand, but we believe that the insufficiency of our understanding does not detract from the immensity of His truth.
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 14, 2008, 07:12:53 AM
Tito Benne,


There is a side story that I would like to share with you.

During the Fall of 2007 and during Spring of 2006, I taught Ecological Biology Lab with my Adviser, Dr. Ostrofsky. There was one time when we went up the Allegheny Mountains next to the Boussard National Wild Life Conservatory, which my college owns.

Dr. Ostrofsky ra and me. Then he asked me something that has been printed in my mind. "Isn't it beautiful?" (He was regarding the evergreen trees, the ecological wilde life that we were looking and observing at). I answered him, "Yes, Professor." And he responded with something that bewildered me, "His creations are too good."

This shocked me, Tito, because I always thought Dr. Ostrofsky was an agnostic or an atheist. Because he never made reference to his faith during class, during labs or during our weekly meetings. I found out that he was, indeed, a born again. But for me it was something because this man not only specializes in environmental biology (limnology, ecology, streams aquatics, toxicology and evolution). Yet he believes.

I would say that I stand with Dr. Ostrofsky when it comes to The Most High.

When I worked in Organics Laboratory, when I taught Molecular Biology Laboratory, Ecology, etc you deal with science on a daily basis. And can't help but notice that there is so much beauty within these given fields. How electrons, react to protons, neutrons. Why the transcriptional processes works and how it works--its relation to the translational pathway and the elongational pathway. And the necessary proteins, activators, inhibitors etc. Everything is perfectly created. Perfectly Designed. The Almighty's fingerprints are written in science. And it bears testament to His intelligence.


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Post by: B:) on July 14, 2008, 08:19:11 AM
Bran, thank you for taking your time in answering my question.
You don't have to pick a context from the bible to confirm who wrote it.

Here's the thing that I'm not sure you know and everyone here know about the Bible:

The bible was written hundreds and hundreds of years ago by men, and NO ONE knows who they were. When the CATHOLIC Church knows about it, they call the highest possible leaders of the church and gather around to study about it. They found out that some context were really bad that they literally removed it. And didn't tell anyone about it. So if they were able to do this, that means, they add and remove anything according to their likes and dislikes. So do you think God the Holy Spirit told them to do this?


So now that I'm older and knows a lot of it, I was kind of skeptical about the whole thing. And I will go crazy if I follow it word for word. Or context by context and try to makes some reflections after.

The bible is basically written by men that no one knows who they were. Someone out there hundreds of years ago claimed that it came from the word of God. The Catholic church loves the power and grab every possible thing to let the people know that this is it! The Popes, Cardinals and what have you were the most brutal people I could imagine. They burned people, hang them, cut their heads....I mean....what kind of work is that?
So as not to confuse you guys to where I really stand, for me whatever I believe and do? all I know...God is there and we  all seek to him, it's just that all of us have different roads or path to go and follow Him.
The bible is a book to remind me that God is there but to really read it again and again and again and memorize it, no I think i've done that many years ago already and that was more than enough. It's only a matter of how you interpret it and apply it in our day to day life.
For as long as I live my life peacefully and be good to others as much as they are to me,  God is with me.
I don't have to re-read the bible over and over and tell everyone about it.
Each one of us was given 2 gifts from God.. INTELLECT and FREE WILL. Therefore I use it wisely as much as I can. I don't have to shout the whole world and tell them this is what I do and this is not what I didn't do and for what? let the people judge me?....for short...I don't need anybody to tell me and remind me that God is there and read the Bible...why would I? GOD IS ALREADY WITH ME..I feel his presents in me and that's all I need to know.

So pardon me guys if I'm a little too strong, I do respect all what you are talking about here...some I agree and some I don't, that's normal right!
 These are just my opinions.. possibly the first and my last. This is pobably what happen after all what I've been through at an early age, lows and highs and lows and high again...what can I say that's life. And NO ONE knows when will I die, not even the Bible can answer that. And I don't even want to know...I am more than ready anytime God wants me.

Afraid of death is another story. And sad to say some people loves to read the bible, to feel secure and feed their minds because it gives them comfort and divert their attention out of possible death.
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 14, 2008, 09:44:05 AM
Tito Benne,

Shall we continue on? By your lead, Tito.

To Beth,

Thanks for sharing your opinion.



Let us proceed to studies. The next question:


For what reason was Lucifer thrust out of Heaven? What scriptural passage indicates this. What exactly did Lucifer want that warranted punishment? Please add any personal interpretation and or views if you want.


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Post by: slackware on July 14, 2008, 12:04:55 PM
Story of Lucifer – His Status
What kind of iniquity was found of him? In the book of Ezekiel, God has let us stand with Him at the very beginning, to see the origin and the creation of Satan. But, why does God say this? What is this iniquity? We must look back to Isaiah 14:12, which tells us of Lucifer/Satan's choice. "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." Did you notice in this passage all of the "I wills. " He said he would exalt his throne above the stars of God. The word "stars" here does not refer to what we see in the night sky. It refers to the angels of God. In other words, "I will take over heaven, I will be God." That is Lucifer/Satan's sin and that is the iniquity that was found in him. He does not want to be God's servant. He does not want to do what he was created to do. He wants to be served and there are millions who have chosen to do just that; serve him. They have listened to his lies and chosen to follow him. Eve believed the lie that she would be like God. The reason Lucifer/Satan tempted her with that was because it is the very thing that he wants -- to be God.

more details on
http://www.allaboutgod.com/story-of-lucifer.htm (http://www.allaboutgod.com/story-of-lucifer.htm)

sa Islam wala man ang term na fallen angels kay according to The Noble Quran, angels were created by God without the gift of freewill. They only serve and obey the will of God. dili sila maka bo-ot2x ug ilaha. Mas maayo pa ang tao kay naa pay freewill.
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Post by: asianfairy on July 14, 2008, 02:40:44 PM
Ms Beth, I can only say: AMEN!



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Post by: ms da binsi on July 14, 2008, 09:02:42 PM




I second the motion A.
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Post by: benelynne on July 14, 2008, 10:22:49 PM

Belle, didto pohon sa atong Green TubagBohol Village, mag-organize kog choir para sa three-fold Amen composed of you, A and Beth.
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 15, 2008, 12:17:42 AM
http://www.allaboutgod.com/story-of-lucifer.htm[/url]

sa Islam wala man ang term na fallen angels kay according to The Noble Quran, angels were created by God without the gift of freewill. They only serve and obey the will of God. dili sila maka bo-ot2x ug ilaha. Mas maayo pa ang tao kay naa pay freewill.

Mao ba, Anastacio? Thanks for the answer, interesting pood ang explanation gi hatag nimo in reference to the Q'uran's stance on the topic.

It is quite puzzling sometimes when one reads Isaiah 14, which states, (In reference to what Lucifer Declared in Heaven) "But you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north. I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."

And The Lord responded, as what Isaiah 14:15 reveals to us, "Nevertheless you will be thrust down to Sheol, to the recesses of the pit."

For me, reading this particular verse is puzzling. Because one understands that the Angel Lucifer already saw the face of God, and was given the beatific vision. Complete and Ultimate bliss in communion with The Almighty. Yet he was able to turn away from God? He rejected Complete and Eternal Communion with The Most High?

We even witness this in reading Ezekiel 28, "You were the anointed cherub who covers, and I placed you there, you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked in the midst of the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created, until unrighteousness was found in you."

as well as in Rev. 12:4, 9, "Even though created beautiful and good, Satan, the top angel of God fell into sin and took a third of the other angels with him."

And it is in this particular passage that we see the entrance of Sin into the world. The Rebellion of Lucifer against The Most High. Lucifer even went far enough to tempt Adam and Eve, whom The Lord created in His own image.

But my question, or rhetorical question if I may, is that why was Lucifer able to reject God? He was given the beautific vision of The Most High. And was the First to be created. What compelled Lucifer to rebel against His Father in Heaven? And, accordingly, why did not The Most High dispose of Lucifer with a mere thought? Did He know that this will come to pass? Does Lucifer and His Legion of Fallen Angels know that their time is nigh? That their doom has been secured by the coming of the Christ?

I do know that after the war in Heaven, after Archangel Michael, the Prince of the Heavenly Host thrust Lucifer, the Most abominable, Most Unclean, Most Unrighteous, Father of Lies, Hate Incarnate, Most Untrue--that all the remaining Angels were given the beatific vision. And therefore are linked to The Almighty. Theirs is the responsibility of Exalting The Most High for Everlasting Time.

Tito Benne, Ma'am Lee, Brod Mike, can you guys please answer some of my questions.

Cheers,
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Post by: B:) on July 15, 2008, 04:16:41 AM

Nong Benny, I will certainly would love that :)
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Post by: ms da binsi on July 15, 2008, 04:21:07 AM



Sure! unsa man ngalan sa Choir?

Amen trio? hahaha

i always love to be in a choir pero wa jud na matuman nga dream.

one day matuman na jud na when you will organize that...
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 16, 2008, 03:32:46 AM
When I read these particular excerpts from Ezekiel and Isaiah, I am left in complete abhoration as well as in discernment. How is it that 1/3rd of all the Angels in Heaven were fooled into the service of Lucifer to rebel against the Throne of The Almighty?

How is it that they, the Hosts of Heaven, were able to rebel and reject Divine Communion with the Almighty?

What was it that allowed them to side with Lucifer against the Name of God? Did they truly believe that they could usurp the throne of God? How can They, in their minds, think that they could depose the Creator of All Things?

Did they not think that they too could be destroyed by the Being that created them with a mere thought? The Almighty Father in Heaven.

Truly, this being named Lucifer, was wise and daring enough to temp 1/3rd of all the Angels in Heaven.

If he can do that, easily he can influence the world of men. Who are inferior to the Divine Angels.


Contemplating these words from Holy Scripture sends chills down my spine. And look only to God and His Mighty Power, Archangel Michael for protection. The same Angel that thrust Satan and his Legion of usurpers out of Heaven and into the Pit of Sheol (Hell).

Blessed be God the Mighty and Highest!
Whom All Things are Possible.
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 16, 2008, 11:13:57 AM
Genesis 17[/b]

10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner— those who are not your offspring.

Circumcision was an external sign of a spiritual relationship, which set the Jews apart from the rest of mankind as the chosen people of God. However, history showed that the Jewish people became more and more fixated to the external signs, statutes, and ceremonies rather than their inward spirituality. Of course, this tendency is not peculiar to the Jews but resonates to human nature in general. Rather than facing our frailties, we explain away our violative tendencies through legalism.

The dispensation of grace, as contrasted to that of law, ushered in by Christ in the New Testament restores the pre-eminence of our relationship to God in our practice of spirituality. For instance, Christ has redefined the legalistic frames of such common offenses as "adultery" and "murder." We commit adultery not only when we lie in bed with someone not our spouse but also when we look at another person with lust. We commit murder not only when we kill a person by intent but also when we harbor deep hatred in our hearts towards him.

Thus, as with the Jews, we can no longer use physical circumcision as a blanket affirmation of our belongingness to God. Note that even in the Old Testament, physical circumcision was meant to come together with circumcision of our hearts, as was commanded in Deuteronomy 10 and 30. Unless our hearts are marked as of God, it does not matter much if we are externally marked as God's people in circumcision. We cannot use religious appearances in place of real spirituality of the heart.

Paul preached this in his letter to the Romans:

Romans 2
29No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.

Therefore, physical circumcision is not a necessary and essential condition for salvation, but spiritual circumcision is.

Excellent points, Tito Benne.

I actually stumbled on a particular passage in Jeremiah 9:24-25 which literally dictates the worthless nature of circumcission. It supports your points, Tito.

The passage itself, "See, days are coming, says the Lord, when I will demand an account of all those circumcised in their flesh. Egypt and Judah, Edom and the Amonites, Mab and the desert dwellers who shave their temples. For all these nations, like the whole house of Israel, are uncircumcised in heart.


The WORD of the Lord
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 20, 2008, 09:20:17 AM
Let's get back to discussions.


What does ‘born of Him’ mean? (1 John 2:29) From 1 John 2:29 show the connection John is making between being born of God and what kind of life he should live because of that new birth. How is this connected to 1 John 3:9? Put this verse in your own words.


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Way Nada on July 31, 2008, 02:58:39 PM
Jeremiah 9:24-25[/B] which literally dictates the worthless nature of circumcission. It supports your points, Tito.

The passage itself, "See, days are coming, says the Lord, when I will demand an account of all those circumcised in their flesh. Egypt and Judah, Edom and the Amonites, Mab and the desert dwellers who shave their temples. For all these nations, like the whole house of Israel, are uncircumcised in heart.


The WORD of the Lord


Circumcision is a Jewish tradition. This rite of circumcision is a mark that you are a Jew. In olden times people are uncircumcised so the Jews to distinguish themselves as the chosen people of God so they branded themselves by circumcision. This look like paganistic because you are  hurting a person but now we Christians accept this tradition or else you will be a 'baho ug oten kay wa kay tuli daghan ka ug tiktik'.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 10, 2008, 10:49:46 PM
After he had fed the people, Jesus made the disciples get into a boat
and precede him to the other side,
while he dismissed the crowds.
After doing so, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray.
When it was evening he was there alone.
Meanwhile the boat, already a few miles offshore,
was being tossed about by the waves, for the wind was against it.
During the fourth watch of the night,
he came toward them walking on the sea.
When the disciples saw him walking on the sea they were terrified.
“It is a ghost,” they said, and they cried out in fear.
At once Jesus spoke to them, “Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid.”
Peter said to him in reply,
“Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you on the water.”
He said, “Come.”
Peter got out of the boat and began to walk on the water toward Jesus.
But when he saw how strong the wind was he became frightened;
and, beginning to sink, he cried out, “Lord, save me!”
Immediately Jesus stretched out his hand and caught Peter,
and said to him, “O you of little faith, why did you doubt?”
After they got into the boat, the wind died down.
Those who were in the boat did him homage, saying,
“Truly, you are the Son of God.”


Mt 14:22-33


What are the symbolisms of the wind, and other factors?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 28, 2009, 09:36:31 AM
What does the Bible say about God's Promise to Israel in regards to the Holy Land?

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Post by: Bad Godesberg on March 29, 2009, 06:45:06 AM
God has given us promises that we can rely on when we are in need of comfort
and assurance. These promises were made by a loving Heavenly Father and it is
very comforting to know that God loves us and He ALWAYS keeps His promises. When
praying to the Father, take His promises before Him.

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Matthew 11 : 29   
    Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:
    and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

+JLY
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 29, 2009, 03:19:44 PM

Solid answer to this question can be found in Jeremiah 31.

I will share it:


    The days are coming, says the LORD, when I will seed the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and the seed of beast.
28
    As I once watched over them to uproot and pull down, to destroy, to ruin, and to harm, so I will watch over them to build and to plant, says the LORD.
29
    In those days they shall no longer say, "The fathers ate unripe grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge,"
30
    but through his own fault only shall anyone die: the teeth of him who eats the unripe grapes shall be set on edge.
31
    The days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
32
    It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers the day I took them by the hand to lead them forth from the land of Egypt; for they broke my covenant and I had to show myself their master, says the LORD.
33
    But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD. I will place my law within them, and write it upon their hearts; I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34
    No longer will they have need to teach their friends and kinsmen how to know the LORD. All, from least to greatest, shall know me, says the LORD, for I will forgive their evildoing and remember their sin no more.
35
    Thus says the LORD, He who gives the sun to light the day, moon and stars to light the night; Who stirs up the sea till its waves roar, whose name is LORD of hosts:
36
    If ever these natural laws give way in spite of me, says the LORD, Then shall the race of Israel cease as a nation before me forever.
37
    Thus says the LORD: If the heavens on high can be measured, or the foundations below the earth be sounded, Then will I cast off the whole race of Israel because of all they have done, says the LORD.
38
    The days are coming, says the LORD, when the city shall be rebuilt as the LORD'S, from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
39
    The measuring line shall be stretched from there straight to the hill Gareb and then turn to Goah.
40
    The whole valley of corpses and ashes, all the slopes toward the Kidron Valley, as far as the corner of the Horse Gate at the east, shall be holy to the LORD. Never again shall the city be rooted up or thrown down.


--Jeremiah 31: 27-40
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Way Nada on March 30, 2009, 07:28:24 AM
The days are coming, says the LORD, when I will seed the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man and the seed of beast.
28
    As I once watched over them to uproot and pull down, to destroy, to ruin, and to harm, so I will watch over them to build and to plant, says the LORD.
29
    In those days they shall no longer say, "The fathers ate unripe grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge,"
30
    but through his own fault only shall anyone die: the teeth of him who eats the unripe grapes shall be set on edge.
31
    The days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
32
    It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers the day I took them by the hand to lead them forth from the land of Egypt; for they broke my covenant and I had to show myself their master, says the LORD.
33
    But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD. I will place my law within them, and write it upon their hearts; I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34
    No longer will they have need to teach their friends and kinsmen how to know the LORD. All, from least to greatest, shall know me, says the LORD, for I will forgive their evildoing and remember their sin no more.
35
    Thus says the LORD, He who gives the sun to light the day, moon and stars to light the night; Who stirs up the sea till its waves roar, whose name is LORD of hosts:
36
    If ever these natural laws give way in spite of me, says the LORD, Then shall the race of Israel cease as a nation before me forever.
37
    Thus says the LORD: If the heavens on high can be measured, or the foundations below the earth be sounded, Then will I cast off the whole race of Israel because of all they have done, says the LORD.
38
    The days are coming, says the LORD, when the city shall be rebuilt as the LORD'S, from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
39
    The measuring line shall be stretched from there straight to the hill Gareb and then turn to Goah.
40
    The whole valley of corpses and ashes, all the slopes toward the Kidron Valley, as far as the corner of the Horse Gate at the east, shall be holy to the LORD. Never again shall the city be rooted up or thrown down.[/i]

--Jeremiah 31: 27-40

Lorenzo,

This prophecy of Jeremiah is not yet fully fulfilled. The realization in the fulfillment of this prophecy is to wipe out the people living in Jerusalem or be converted to Judaism and the mosque or the Dome of the Rock should be destroyed and be replaced by the third temple. 
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 30, 2009, 01:47:42 PM
Way Nada,

We have to take into consideration the historiography of the setting and time when this written. Prophet Jeremiah lived in around 600 BC, and during that time, Israel was sacked and invaded by Babylon under the reign of Emperor Nebuchadnezzar. The Babylonians, upon storming through the gates of Jerusalem not only eradicated the defense, but also leveled the Jewish Temple that was constructed by Kings David and Solomon.

It is apparent to us that Prophet Jeremiah was sent to the people of Israel, to lament over the sins of Israel to warrant the judgment of God. Yet, in accordance to the said and aforementioned scriptural reference, they were set free.

The rule of Babylon and its yolk over Judea ended by the coming of King Cyrus the Great of Persia, which was mentioned in scripture:

And I quote from two specific verses in scripture:

Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of The Lord spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, The Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath The Lord God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all His people? The Lord his God be with him, and let him go up."
(2 Chronicles 36:22-23)

and

"Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of The Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, The Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all His people? His God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of The Lord God of Israel, He is the God, which is in Jerusalem."
(Ezra 1:1-3)

---

The temple was rebuilt again, Way Nada, after the liberation of Israel from Babylon under the will of Cyrus the Great, who was, as relegated in scripture, the anointed of the Most High.

As for your mentioning of the needing to level the Dome of the Rock and the conversion of peoples to Judaism. That is not necessary.

It is important to note that the arrival of Christ, who is The WORD of God and IS God, completed that prophecy and finalized it.

The Lord Jesus Christ, who is THE WORD, and is God Made Flesh, himself prophesied:

    Jesus answered and said to them,  "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."
    The Jews said, "This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and you will raise it up in three days?"
    But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
    Therefore, when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they came to believe the scripture and the word Jesus had spoken.

--John 2: 19-22


Christ's death on the Cross destroyed the Jewish Temple, and his rising on the 3rd day solidifies His promise that was ushered by Jeremiah, and again in John 2, which was also the construction of the new Temple. This was made so in the Transfiguration of Christ Jesus, Our Lord on the 3rd day. And on the following days of Pentecost.



Yours In Christ,
Lorenzo

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 31, 2009, 08:28:50 AM
After he had fed the people, Jesus made the disciples get into a boat
and precede him to the other side,
while he dismissed the crowds.
After doing so, he went up on the mountain by himself to pray.
When it was evening he was there alone.
Meanwhile the boat, already a few miles offshore,
was being tossed about by the waves, for the wind was against it.
During the fourth watch of the night,
he came toward them walking on the sea.
When the disciples saw him walking on the sea they were terrified.
“It is a ghost,” they said, and they cried out in fear.
At once Jesus spoke to them, “Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid.”
Peter said to him in reply,
“Lord, if it is you, command me to come to you on the water.”
He said, “Come.”
Peter got out of the boat and began to walk on the water toward Jesus.
But when he saw how strong the wind was he became frightened;
and, beginning to sink, he cried out, “Lord, save me!”
Immediately Jesus stretched out his hand and caught Peter,
and said to him, “O you of little faith, why did you doubt?”
After they got into the boat, the wind died down.
Those who were in the boat did him homage, saying,
“Truly, you are the Son of God.” [/i]

Mt 14:22-33


What are the symbolisms of the wind, and other factors?

There is beauty and completeness in this biblical reference. The waves and the wind represents the authority of the Powers, Principalities, Cherubim and other fallen angels that were cast down along with Lucifer, May The Lord God Rebuke him.

Christ's calming of the waves, the storms, and the wind by a mere word solidifies His Power. The WORD made Flesh. He who had authority to cleanse the possessed from spirits and demons, had the the same authority to command the storms to stop, for fishes to be caught on nets, and ultimately, the raising of Lazarus from the dead.

No prophet has such power. Christ was not a prophet. Christ Jesus, was the Word of God. And IS God.

JESUS CHRIST, Our Lord, explicitly said this.

Remember:

Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died?
Or the prophets, who died? Who do you make yourself out to be?"
Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is worth nothing; but it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, 'He is our God.'
You do not know him, but I know him. And if I should say that I do not know him,
I would be like you a liar. But I do know him and I keep his word.
Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; he saw it and was glad.
So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham?"
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."


-John 8: 54-58

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Way Nada on March 31, 2009, 09:48:34 AM


Quote from two specific verses in scripture:

Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of The Lord spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, The Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, All the kingdoms of the earth hath The Lord God of heaven given me; and he hath charged me to build him an house in Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all His people? The Lord his God be with him, and let him go up."
(2 Chronicles 36:22-23)

and

"Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of The Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, The Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The Lord God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all His people? His God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of The Lord God of Israel, He is the God, which is in Jerusalem."
(Ezra 1:1-3)

Lorenzo:

I agree with you! I think Jeremiah's prophecy you quote yesterday was the emancipation of the Israelites from exile in Babylon.

Lorenzo opined:

"The temple was rebuilt again, Way Nada, after the liberation of Israel from Babylon under the will of Cyrus the Great, who was, as relegated in scripture, the anointed of the Most High.

As for your mentioning of the needing to level the Dome of the Rock and the conversion of peoples to Judaism. That is not necessary."

Reply:

The conversion to Judaism refers to the lost tribe of Israel. For us Christian the re-building of the temple is not necessary but for the Jews the re-building of the third temple is an obsession as it is the center of their religious life, culture and the history of the Jewish people.

During the 7 days war of 1967 when the Israeli Army conquered Jerusalem, a coronel and his men communicated with Moshe Dayan the chief of the Israeli Army, telling him that he and his men are atop the Temple Mount. Moshe Dayan called up Golda Meir the Prime Minister of Israel at that time, telling her about the situation at the Temple Mount. Golda Meir ordered the Army to stay put. It was understood that the coronel and his men were waiting the order to blow up the Dome of the Rock.

It was politics that prevented the event to happen.

Lorenzo opined:

"It is important to note that the arrival of Christ, who is The WORD of God and IS God, completed that prophecy and finalized it.

The Lord Jesus Christ, who is THE WORD, and is God Made Flesh, himself prophesied:

    Jesus answered and said to them,  "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up."

    The Jews said, "This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and you will raise it up in three days?"

    But he was speaking about the temple of his body.
    Therefore, when he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they came to believe the scripture and the word Jesus had spoken.

--John 2: 19-22

Reply:

These passages in the bible is an allegorical story. This was written for the purpose of doctrinal teaching and to give strength of the idea in the divinity of Christ. This is an allegorical story because the verses you are quoting were from John which was written 7 to 8 decades after death of Christ. When Christ rebuked the Jews in the temple and said; "Destroy this temple", the literal temple was really destroyed because it was razed to the ground by the Roman soldiers in 70 AD. This means the story of Jesus came later than the destruction of the temple. It's John making a parallel story of the temple.     

Lorenzo opined:

Christ's death on the Cross destroyed the Jewish Temple, and his rising on the 3rd day solidifies His promise that was ushered by Jeremiah, and again in John 2, which was also the construction of the new Temple. This was made so in the Transfiguration of Christ Jesus, Our Lord on the 3rd day. And on the following days of Pentecost.

Reply:

This opinion is like the "Theology of Replacement".

WN
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 31, 2009, 11:14:03 AM
Way Nada:

The emancipation of the Israelites from Babylon bears spiritual as well as theological consequence, and in modern perspective in studying biblical prophesy and the Word of God, timeless.

Be it in in Exodus where the House of Israel was freed from bondage of Egypt, to Jeremiah where Israel was freed, yet again, from the yolk of Babylonian oppression under the auspices of Cyrus.

Note that there is a constancy in cause and effect. The cause being the sins of Israel bearing judgment from the Most High; and the effect: The Most High's fulfillment of His Promise to the people of Abraham. And ultimately, forgiveness.

You brought up a good point, in the year AD 70, Rome put an end to the Jewish resistance and razed the city of Jerusalem, sending the Jewish people in diaspora throughout the 4 corners of the Roman world. Hence the Jewish presence in Europe.

But what I take into consideration is the words from Jeremiah 31 regarding the Israeli people. The fullfillment of God's promise to Abraham.

This was realized yet again in 1947 when all of Israel was yet again established in the land of Canaan. Their ancestral land, a land that was given to them not only by the sword, but by the Order of God.

The defeat of the Arab nations to Israel in the Arab-Israeli Wars and the 7 Day War only solidifies the claim.

Let us yet again remember the Word of The Lord God;

   
"I will maintain my covenant with you and your descendants after you throughout the ages as an everlasting pact, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.

I will give to you and to your descendants after you the land in which you are now staying, the whole land of Canaan, as a permanent possession; and I will be their God."


-Genesis 17:7-8


God Bless,
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 02, 2009, 08:47:04 AM
I extend this question to all of you guys:

What does The Gospel say about handling correction from our parents? And in a general sense, being corrected.
Please share a verse in scripture that associates with this question.

All are welcome, to share in this thread. Please join me in opening our bibles and searching the Word of God.

All are welcome to join in this discussion. :)
Okay ha?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: buwadsanga on April 02, 2009, 12:31:06 PM
pastilan, way magdaug ani labina ug gilalisan bibliya. hangtud karon wa gihapon mo kabawo?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Way Nada on April 02, 2009, 01:13:59 PM
Biblical trivia:

1. What is the old name of the city of Jerusalem?

2. What was the burial ceremony done to the bodies of Jacob and Joseph in Egypt?

3. What was the name of the Roman soldier who pierced the side of Jesus with a spear?

4. Why is it that there are only four gospels?

5. Judas Iscariot... did he hanged himself or did he suffered another kind of death?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 02, 2009, 11:55:04 PM

1. The old city of Jerusalem was once known as Salem during the times of the Prophet Abraham.

"And he passed over to Salem, a city of the Sichemites, which is in the land of Chanaan, after he returned from Mesopotamia of Syria: and he dwelt by the town:  And he bought that part of the field, in which he pitched his tents, of the children of Hemor, the father of Sichem for a hundred lambs. 20 And raising an altar there, he invoked upon it the most mighty God of Israel."
-Genesis 33: 17-20

2. The bodies of Jacob and Joseph, literally, their bones were carried with them when Egypt was released from the bondage of Egypt. See Exodus.

3. Scripture does not name the man, however, it is only said that it was a Roman soldier that pierced the side of Christ. Again, I think it is unnecessary to know that man's name. But please read John 19: 30-35:

" So the soldiers came, and broke the legs of the first man and of the other who was crucified with Him; 33 but coming to Jesus, when they saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. 34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you also may believe."

4. There are only 4 gospels (Mark, Luke, Matthew and John) because they were written within 80 years of Christ Our Lord's death.

5. There are two verses in Sacred Scripture that answer this question, one in Mathew Chapter 27 and Acts Chapter 1:

"Then when Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that He had been condemned, he felt remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, 4saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." But they said, "What is that to us? See to that yourself!" 5And he threw the pieces of silver into the sanctuary and departed; and he went away and hanged himself."
-Matthew 27: 3-8

and

"Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. 17"For he was counted among us, and received his portion in this ministry. Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness; and falling headlong."
-Acts 1: 16-19
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Bad Godesberg on April 03, 2009, 03:04:20 AM
  Saints Joachim & Anne
Parents of the Virgin Mary and Protectors of our Order
July 26: Celebrated as a Memorial with proper texts.
   
   An old tradition going back to the second century gives these names to the parents of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The veneration of St Anne dates from the sixth century in the East and spread throughout the West in the tenth century; that of St Joachim is more recent. Along with St Joseph they are protectors of our Order.

  Prayer
  Lord, God of our fathers,
you bestowed on St Joachim and St Anne
this singular grace that their daughter, Mary,
should become the Mother of your Son, Jesus Christ.

  Grant, at their intercession,
the salvation you promised to your people.

   We ask this through Christ, our Lord.

 Scripture Readings

Ecclesiasticus 44:1, 10-15; Gospel - Matthew 13:16-17.

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Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Bad Godesberg on April 03, 2009, 03:09:03 AM
The True Meaning of Lent
What is Lent? Why is it so widely practiced by “Christians” of this world? Is it because the Bible commands it? Did Christ or any of His apostles observe Lent? What about the first century Church? What does the Bible teach about Lent?

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Let’s examine Lent, its practices and customs, its historic and religious origins, and its true meaning from the Bible’s perspective, not from the “traditions of men” (Mark 7:7-9).

+JLY
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 03, 2009, 04:16:05 AM
The True Meaning of Lent[/b]
What is Lent? Why is it so widely practiced by “Christians” of this world? Is it because the Bible commands it? Did Christ or any of His apostles observe Lent? What about the first century Church? What does the Bible teach about Lent?

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Let’s examine Lent, its practices and customs, its historic and religious origins, and its true meaning from the Bible’s perspective, not from the “traditions of men” (Mark 7:7-9).

+JLY

Lent is indeed biblical. And purely scriptural as well as traditional.

Lent was in practice since the days of the Early Church Fathers.

The practice stems back to the old christian church in Rome when Blessed Peter the Apostle (the 1st bishopric of Rome and 1st Pope) preached the word of God to the peoples of Rome.

It is also important to note that other early christian churches such as the Coptic Churches in Egypt and old orders of Orthodoxy maintain the practice of Lent.

Please note that these said churches, ALONG with the Holy Roman Catholic Church have been in EXISTENCE since the days of Our Lord. Established by the Apostles, the disciples of Christ OUR Lord.



Yours In Christ,
Bran Lorenzo
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Bad Godesberg on April 03, 2009, 05:53:36 AM
John Chapter 8 - 51
  Amen, amen, I say to you: If any man keep my word, he shall not see death for ever.

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+JLY
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Way Nada on April 03, 2009, 06:21:10 AM

Biblical trivia:

1. What is the old name of the city of Jerusalem?

Answer: Jebu is said to be the old name of Jerusalem. Salem is not described as Jerusalem but in Canaan. Canaan will encompass the province of Syria in biblical times.

2. What was the burial ceremony done to the bodies of Jacob and Joseph in Egypt?

Answer: They were mummified.

3. What was the name of the Roman soldier who pierced the side of Jesus with a spear?

Answer: In the apochrypal writing of Pontius Pilate the soldier's name is Longhinus.

4. Why is it that there are only four gospels?

Answer: Bishop Iraneous who decided what is inspired by God and what is not... argued, and to paraphrase his words he said; "Since there are four corners of the world as there are four winds of the earth so much so are the gospels. In today's world order Iraneous can be classified as an editor of the bible. He had the final judgment what scripture is to be considered as part of the bible. All the others are heretical writings.

5. Judas Iscariot... did he hanged himself or did he suffered another kind of death?

Lorenzo your answers are correct!

WN
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 03, 2009, 08:55:34 AM
Way Nada, there are also other non-canon books that talk about the name of Longinus.

Interestingly enough, in Medical Anatomy, we have a term called the Longinus technique, which is utilized when an anatomist/surgeon takes a 3/4th inch scalpel and makes a diagona incision through the insertion of the Rectus Abdominis muscle.

Ah, it makes sense now why they call it the Longinus technique, since it pierces through the side.

Amazing that even in anatomical science, they utilize Christian reference.

Thanks Way Nada!
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 03, 2009, 12:56:19 PM
My question:

Why was Moses not allowed to enter and see the Promised Land?
When Moses first saw God Almighty, and asked for His name, what was God's answer to Moses? What did God refer to himself as?

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Post by: Bad Godesberg on April 04, 2009, 05:56:50 AM
Answer: In Numbers 20:8, the Lord told Moses, "Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink." Numbers 20:9-11 records Moses' response: "So Moses took the staff from the LORD's presence, just as He commanded him. He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, ‘Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?’ Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank." Numbers 20:12 gives us the Lord's response, "But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them."

What did Moses do that warranted such a severe penalty from the Lord? First, Moses disobeyed a direct command from God. God had commanded Moses to speak to the rock. Instead, Moses struck the rock with his staff. Second, Moses took the credit for bringing forth the water. Notice how in verse 10 Moses said, "must we (referring to Moses and Aaron) bring you water out of this rock." Moses took credit for the miracle himself, instead of attributing it to God. Third, Moses did this in front of all the Israelites. Such a public example of direct disobedience could not go unpunished. Moses’ punishment was that he would not be allowed to enter the Promised Land (Numbers 20:12).  

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Post by: Lorenzo on April 04, 2009, 07:56:52 AM
Excellent answer, Ellen. :)

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Post by: Lorenzo on April 04, 2009, 08:20:23 PM
Also,

When Moses first saw and talked the Lord God of Israel in the Mount. When the prophet Moses asked the Lord God for His Name, the Lord God referred to Himself as, "I AM"

    When the LORD saw him coming over to look at it more closely, God called out to him from the bush, "Moses! Moses!" He answered, "Here I am."
5
    God said, "Come no nearer! Remove the sandals from your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.
6
    I am the God of your father," he continued, "the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob." Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.
7
    But the LORD said, "I have witnessed the affliction of my people in Egypt and have heard their cry of complaint against their slave drivers, so I know well what they are suffering.
8
    Therefore I have come down to rescue them from the hands of the Egyptians and lead them out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey, the country of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
9
    So indeed the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have truly noted that the Egyptians are oppressing them.
10
    Come, now! I will send you to Pharaoh to lead my people, the Israelites, out of Egypt."
11
    5 But Moses said to God, "Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and lead the Israelites out of Egypt?"
12
    He answered, "I will be with you; and this shall be your proof that it is I who have sent you: when you bring my people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this very mountain."
13
    "But," said Moses to God, "when I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' if they ask me, 'What is his name?' what am I to tell them?"
14
    God replied, "I AM WHO AM." Then he added, "This is what you shall tell the Israelites: I AM sent me to you."


-Exodus 3: 4-14
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 04, 2009, 08:26:54 PM
And when we read the verse from Exodus 3: 4-14, we are told that The Lord God referred to Himself as "I AM WHO AM"

That is not only a definite statement but categorically, the supreme o supreme answers.
The Most High does not give himself lofty titles, but addresses Moses' simple question with DEFINITE and CORRELATIVE answer.

And we sometimes have to think about the relationship between Old Testament and Old Testament.


In regards to Christ Jesus, he HIMself reiterates the same message--the very message the He told Moses, some thousands of Years earlier. And those before Moses, Abraham even.


Read:

The Jews asked Jesus, "Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died?
Or the prophets, who died? Who do you make yourself out to be?"
Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is worth nothing; but it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, 'He is our God.'
You do not know him, but I know him. And if I should say that I do not know him,
I would be like you a liar. But I do know him and I keep his word.
Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; he saw it and was glad.
So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham?"
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."


-John 8: 54-58
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 10, 2009, 01:45:01 PM
Let us analyze this verse, especially during Holy Week.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."


-John 3:16

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Post by: tagalomanoy on April 12, 2009, 10:40:18 AM
Lofenz,

PUEde ba ikaw among maestro.  Count me as one of your student in Bible study.  I want to know more of my God.  God bless
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 12, 2009, 10:46:36 AM
Mr. Alejandro Tagab Laganson Sr.,

Count me as your brother in Christ. :)
Yes, let us learn together, and as we read the bible page by page,
and analyze the WORD of GOD, let his spirit pour forth into our hearts,
and capture our Love.

We learn together, we read together, we WORSHIP together.

Yes, I to want to know more of OUR God. :)

God Bless,
Lorenzo
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 12, 2009, 11:45:04 AM

I will answer this,

First and foremost, it is evident to us that our LORD GOD loves us, and HIS love is shown in his reproofs and his disciplinary actions. So too, as our Heavenly Father disciplines us, so too will our own earthly fathers. They discipline us because they love us, because they want to correct us.
We, the children, the fruit of the womb, are subjected to it.


Please read and remember:

And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.” It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?

-Hebrews 12: 5-11


There is righteousness in discipline and knowing the right from wrong!!
:

For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

-Hebrews 12: 11

and

Children should remember their place, and the role of our parents.


Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the Lord.
-Colossians 3: 20


The Role of a Father is mandated, discplining his child is not bad, but is work towards wisdom and righteousness !

Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord.

-Ephesians 6:4


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Post by: Lorenzo on April 14, 2009, 03:11:23 AM
Lets move on to a new topic.

Let us talk about Anger.

My question to you, my blessed Brothers and Sisters in Christ Jesus is:

What the Bible says about anger, ours and God's. How to deal with sinful anger.



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Post by: Bad Godesberg on April 14, 2009, 05:19:44 AM
There is only one reason God becomes angry. Sin. It is truly that simple. Where sin is absent, God's anger is absent. Unfortunately, "this present evil age" (Gal 1:4) is a cauldron of it. Not only are there thousands of different kinds of sins ... there are billions of individuals committing them. And there are varying degrees of culpability for each sin committed. For example, under the Law, the sacrifices were for sins done in ignorance. There were no sacrifices for deliberate sin - just prescribed punishment. Fortunately, the One sacrifice that can actually expunge human sin (to Whom the entire sacrificial system pointed) includes the power to pay for deliberate sins. This one little difference in the sacrifices, is the difference between eternal life ... or death.

"His anger is but for a moment, (but) His favor is for a lifetime" (Ps 30:5).

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Post by: Lorenzo on April 14, 2009, 07:33:28 AM
Amen, Ellen. Your answer is complete. :)

The anger of the Lord God was extinguished with the ultimate sacrifice. Man's death started with the fall of Adam, yet man's rise and salvation came with the resurrection of Christ.

That whosoever believes in Him (Christ Jesus), would be raised on the last day. And not be cast into everlasting Fire.

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Post by: Lorenzo on April 18, 2009, 01:52:40 AM
Describe, through biblical passages, the righteousness of the Lord God.

How was the Lord righteous to those whom he loved, and those whom cherished him and kept HIS Name their hearts?

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Post by: Bad Godesberg on April 20, 2009, 06:40:14 AM
If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  1 John 1.9


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Post by: tagalomanoy on April 20, 2009, 01:14:11 PM
My friend Lorenz,

Other relgious sect believed that Jesus has brothers and our religion taught us He is the only Son.
While our belief in God is not be debated, but to be lived well in His Will, however, I need your able assistance. Thanks
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 20, 2009, 01:24:13 PM

Mr. Laganson,

There will always be people that will try to pick and dig into the what ifs in scripture, but for us, it is best to retain the yolk of the Word. Even if Christ Jesus had brothers and sisters by blood (just for sake of argument), that still does not change His Role in Salvation History.

If Christ Our Lord had mortal brothers and sisters, a product of the union between Blessed Virgina Mary and her spouse, Joseph, that still does not change Christ's role.

Christ our Lord was the only begotten Son of the ETERNAL, the ONE, and LIVING God.
The Mighty and Everlasting Father.

Eternally begotten of the Father, inseparable, and at the same time, One in the Father. From the Father, and the Son, comes the Holy Spirit.

We need to remember that Christ, is the physical manifestation of the Lord God. GOD in the flesh. For the main reason to save the world. He came down from Heaven to earth to share in our humanity, he died for our sins, so that we, his children, could also partake of his divinity, and that is in the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Post by: Lorenzo on April 20, 2009, 01:30:24 PM
1 John 1.9
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+JLY

Sister Ellen,  correct!

:)
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 25, 2009, 08:59:59 AM
Lets begin another discussion, more so on the topic of repentance.


The following questions are multi-layered. But do think about it, and give your best answer. Provide scriptural reference, as well as provide your own personal interpretation, if you want to.

1. What does repentance require?

2. What four sins (transgressions) was Isaiah talking about ?

3. Who do you think this person was that Daniel saw in the vision ?

4. How does David's attitude compare to the attitude of God's people in Isaiah's day?

5. What are four benefits of repentance?

6. Do you have a repentant heart? Do you want one?

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Post by: fdaray on April 25, 2009, 09:34:01 AM
You are here: God >> How To Be Saved

How to be saved -- Why does man need to be saved?
How to be saved is the most important quest of any human life. This quest begins when a man or woman first realizes their true state before a holy God.

The intimate and sweet fellowship that the Father longed for with man, the crown of His creation, was lost when Adam and Eve disobeyed God’s commandment in the Garden of Eden. When Adam and Eve sinned they lost their right to eat of the tree of life which would have enabled them to live forever. They were expelled from the garden and as such denied the loving relationship that God desired to have with them. Their sinful state made them unfit to linger in the presence of God. Far from being a minor event, this Fall and expulsion of man was the cataclysmic turning point of history and set humanity on a descent which continues to this day.

Man without God makes his own plans, follows his own counsels and lives by his own rules. Nevertheless, because man was created for fellowship with God, there remains a dissatisfaction and longing within man that can only be fulfilled by God Himself. As man is now hopelessly decadent and God is perfectly holy, there exists the need for God and man to be reconciled so that the fellowship may be restored.

How to be saved -- What has God provided for man’s salvation?

How to be saved has been outlined for every man in the preaching of the Gospel. The Gospel is the good news about Jesus Christ. “For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people's sins against them. . .” (2 Corinthians 5:19). God, fully knowing that man would fall, provided a means of reconciliation for man; He knew that there was nothing that a man could do to make mankind acceptable to God.

God sent Jesus Christ, who provided restoration for man with God by giving His own life, shedding His own blood. There was no other way to eradicate the effect of sin except by blood. “. . .Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins” (Hebrews 9:22). This shedding of blood indicated that the penalty for sin had been paid; a life had been sacrificed for the lives of all who have sinned. Jesus Christ’s willing submission to the massacre on the cross paid the price for our sins and affected the means of reconciliation. “Because one person disobeyed God, many people became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many people will be made right in God's sight” (Romans 5:19).

How to be saved -- What must a man do to be saved?
How to be saved is within the reach of every human being on the face of the earth. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He provided salvation for all. “‘And when I am lifted up on the cross, I will draw everyone to myself.’ He said this to indicate how he was going to die” (John 12:32-33). Salvation has been provided; it now must be accepted. Once a man or woman recognizes the need for salvation and realizes that God has provided for their salvation through Jesus Christ, he or she must go on to embrace it.

Salvation is simply a process of confessing and believing. A man must confess that Jesus is Lord, which signifies his realization that Christ must have full rule over his life with all of His righteous requirements. This confession of Christ as Lord also assumes that it is Christ who will work and fulfill His own righteousness within man.

Next, he must believe that God has raised Jesus Christ from the dead. This belief in the death and resurrection of Jesus carries with it the realization that the penalty has been paid for sin and power is provided for man to live a life free from sin. Thus man’s relationship to God is restored. “For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. As the Bible tells us, “For if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved” (Romans 10:9-11). Do you feel unworthy to “go to heaven”? Peace with God is within your reach.

Do you understand that you are a sinner, and you believe that Jesus Christ came as the one and only Redeemer of sin? Are you ready to receive God’s gift of His Son, Jesus Christ? If so, believe in Christ, repent of your sins, and commit the rest of your life to Him as Lord:

“Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.”
"Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38)

If you decided receive Jesus today, welcome to God's family. Now, as a way to grow closer to Him, the Bible tells us to follow up on our commitment.
Get baptized as commanded by Christ.
Tell someone else about your new faith in Christ.
Spend time with God each day. It does not have to be a long period of time. Just develop the daily habit of praying to Him and reading His Word. Ask God to increase your faith and your understanding of the Bible.
Seek fellowship with other followers of Jesus. Develop a group of believing friends to answer your questions and support you.
Find a local church where you can worship God.
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Post by: babeinthecity on April 26, 2009, 04:21:58 PM
I need you brother to qoute me one verse in your bible that Jesus said I am God or worship me?

almost every single of your paragraph it mention Lord ,God Lord God. Im asking who is this Lord God? Jesus? please i want to know.
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 26, 2009, 06:26:49 PM


Let me ask you a rhetorical question, my dear friend.
Where in Holy Sacred Scripture is it that the Lord Jesus Christ Who Is Lord, denies His Father ?
Where in Scripture does Christ Our Lord denies His Divinity?



Christ Jesus is THE LORD.
The only begotten Son of the Lord God

The entire continuity of The New Testament is written by the apostles of Christ, that bears witness to His rising of the dead, of His Divine Nature and unity with the Father.

Please Read,

And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.”
—1 John 5:11-12


again,

The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM."
-John 8:57-58

again,

"I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
-John 10:30-33

And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness."
 -John 12:44-46

AND AGAIN

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?"
-John 14:6-9



God Bless You!
:)



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Post by: Lorenzo on April 26, 2009, 08:39:44 PM
Today's Mass Reading:


Peter said to the people:
"The God of Abraham,
the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob,
the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus,
whom you handed over and denied in Pilate's presence
when he had decided to release him.
You denied the Holy and Righteous One
and asked that a murderer be released to you.
The author of life you put to death,
but God raised him from the dead; of this we are witnesses.
Now I know, brothers,
that you acted out of ignorance, just as your leaders did;
but God has thus brought to fulfillment
what he had announced beforehand
through the mouth of all the prophets,
that his Christ would suffer.
Repent, therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be wiped away."
-Acts 3:13-15, 17-19
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 26, 2009, 08:41:54 PM
2nd Reading of The Day

My children, I am writing this to you
so that you may not commit sin.
But if anyone does sin, we have an Advocate with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous one.
He is expiation for our sins,
and not for our sins only but for those of the whole world.
The way we may be sure that we know him is to keep
his commandments.
Those who say, "I know him," but do not keep his commandments
are liars, and the truth is not in them.
But whoever keeps his word,
the love of God is truly perfected in him.

-I John 2: 1-5
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 26, 2009, 08:43:45 PM
Gospel Reading Of The Day

The two disciples recounted what had taken place on the way,
and how Jesus was made known to them
in the breaking of bread.

While they were still speaking about this,
he stood in their midst and said to them,
"Peace be with you."
But they were startled and terrified
and thought that they were seeing a ghost.
Then he said to them, "Why are you troubled?
And why do questions arise in your hearts?
Look at my hands and my feet, that it is I myself.
Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones
as you can see I have."
And as he said this,
he showed them his hands and his feet.
While they were still incredulous for joy and were amazed,
he asked them, "Have you anything here to eat?"
They gave him a piece of baked fish;
he took it and ate it in front of them.

He said to them,
"These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you,
that everything written about me in the law of Moses
and in the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled."
Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.
And he said to them,
"Thus it is written that the Christ would suffer
and rise from the dead on the third day
and that repentance, for the forgiveness of sins,
would be preached in his name
to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
You are witnesses of these things."

Luke 24: 35-48
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Post by: Bad Godesberg on April 27, 2009, 03:29:30 PM
Mga Buhat 1:6-11

6 Ug unya sa nagkatigum sila, gipangutana siya nila nga nag-ingon, "Ginoo, niini bang panahona karon igapahiuli mo ang gingharian ngadto sa Israel?" 7Ug siya mitubag kanila, "Dili itugot kaninyo ang pagkasayud sa mga panahon o mga kahigayonan nga gitudlo sa Amahan pinaagi sa iyang kaugalingong kagahum. 8Apan kamo magadawat hinoon ug gahum sa diha nga kakunsaran na kamo sa Espiritu Santo; ug kamo mao unya ang akong mga saksi sa Jerusalem ug sa tibuok Judea ug Samaria ug hangtud sa kinatumyan sa yuta." 9Ug sa nakasulti na siya niini, samtang nanagtan-aw sila, naisa siya sa kahitas-an ug gibayaw sa usa ka panganud hawa sa ilang mga mata. 10Ug samtang nanagtutok pa sila sa langit sa nagpaingon siya sa itaas, tan-awa, nagtindog tupad kanila ang duha ka tawo nga nagbistig maputi, 11ug miingon kanila, "Mga tawong Galileanhon, nganong nagatindog man kamo dinhi ug nagatutok sa langit? Kining maong Jesus nga gikuha gikan kaninyo ngadto sa langit, mobalik ra unya sa paagi nga sama sa inyong nakita sa iyang pagsaka sa langit." 
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Post by: Way Nada on April 29, 2009, 01:16:21 PM
Pangutana:

Ngano mang gipangutana diha sa Buhat 1:6-11 nga kung maibalik ba ang gingharian ngadto sa Israel. Unya mismo ang mga Kristohanong nasud ila mang gipanghimaraut ang mga Hudeo bisan ngadto sa kinatumyan sa mga yuta?

Salamat

WN
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 29, 2009, 09:32:22 PM
That was a beautiful verse in scripture, Ellen. Verses 6-11 in Acts Chapter 1.

It states, and I reiterate for those who cannot understand or have difficulty understanding the Cebuano wordings.

"6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” 9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
-Acts 1: 6-11



The reason why the witnesses went back to Jerusalem was because they were called by Peter and the other apostles, all of them including: Peter, Johyn, James, Andrew, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Mathew, James, Simon and Judas son of James devoted themselves to prayer. They were there to choose the successor of Judas. And by the Grace of Holy Spirit, Mathias was counted as one of the 11 apostles.

The Lord told them to proclaim the message of Christ through all the 4 corners of the earth, in this particular verse.

And we see a continuing and manifestation of His Will when we read Acts Chapter 2, because we see the coming of the Holy Spirit, which came down on all the Apostles at the days of Pentecost.
It was in this time that all the Apostles were given the gift of Wisdom of the Tongue. They were, by the Power of the Most High, able to speak in different tongues, either it be Cretan, Greek, Arab, Parthian, Medes, Elamites etc, they were professing the Good News.

And if we read the continuation, we observe that all the Apostles were called out to different regions of the world to proclaim the good news. Many of them converted many gentiles, many died in their works, but nontheless, they fulfilled the Will of the Most High. They spread the faith thorugh the 4 corners of the world.

Blessed Paul, being the first Apostle to arrive in Rome, started the wildfire of men's hearts--which was Christ's Love. In 3 centuries, Rome would become Christian. And from that, all of Europa followed suit.

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Post by: Bad Godesberg on April 30, 2009, 03:41:48 AM
I Believe There Is More
I really do believe God has more for you to do. He has more for me to do. We have to be willing to step out by faith into the “new thing”, whatever it is that God has put in your heart. This certainly does not mean what you have done to this point is insignificant. I believe it was all preparation. God is NEVER finished with us and no matter what the enemy tries to tell you, God has more for you to do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBcuw3hE_g&feature=PlayList&p=4733A6C2370C4FE9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=52 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBcuw3hE_g&feature=PlayList&p=4733A6C2370C4FE9&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=52)

+JLY
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on May 03, 2009, 12:23:27 AM
Let's proceed, shall we.

I ask this to everyone, what is the biblical and church doctrine in regards to the laying of ashes on the forehead in Ash Wednesday? Give scriptural reference for the act, historical premise etc.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on May 07, 2009, 04:20:09 AM
Is the Jew (circumcised) and the Gentile (not circumcised) justified and saved in the same way or in different ways ?

Consider: Romans 3:25b-31
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Post by: Lorenzo on May 07, 2009, 04:38:43 AM
I ask this to everyone, what is the biblical and church doctrine in regards to the laying of ashes on the forehead in Ash Wednesday? Give scriptural reference for the act, historical premise etc. [/i]

The answer to this question requires one to read Old Testament. It's a beautiful search, imho. To God Be The Glory!

Job's contemporaries would have immediately recognized the meaning of some of his behaviors that seem strange to us today: tearing his cloak, shaving of his hair, prostrating himself on the ground, siting amidst ashes (read Job 1:20-21; 2:8 ).
Many ancient cultures interpreted all these actions as gestures of mourning. They were an exterior form of expression for an interior grief.

Sometimes the mourning ritual reflected sorrow over personal loss, as it did at first in Job's case. He had just received terrible news about several calamities, including the sudden death of all his children (Read Job 1: 13-19).

At other times, these were gestures of remorse--that is, of sorrow over sin. In this case, the wearing of sackcloth and ashes in particular became a common ritual of penance before God and petition for his forgiveness and help (read Daniel 9:3). job later used ashes in this way as awell, when he felt sorrow for questioning God and decided to "Repent In Dust and Ashes" (Job 42:6)

Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox, Coptic Christians and older churches maintain this practice because the ash symbolizes 'dirtiness'. They humble us by reminding us that however proud we may be of ourselves, our accomplishments, and our professions, n the end (as the words of the Ash Wednesday rite recall), we are dirty, and to dirt we shall return (Read Genesis 3:19). At the same time, having dirty faces reminds us that sin stain us, and we need to be cleansed of it through God's Grace.
(please read Psalm 51;3-5, 9, 11-12)

It reminds us that though how sinful we are, while we were yet sinners, Christ Jesus came and died for our sins.

It is the beauty, and magnanimity of Our Lord God. :)

Can you believe, that while we were yet sinners, HE died for our sins.

That, my friends, is awesome Love. A Father's Love.


God Bless~


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on May 26, 2009, 11:57:27 AM
A question to my beloved brothers and sisters in Christ:



What did Jesus tell us regarding to difficulties in the present times, and how can we surmount difficulties? Who can we turn to?
[Please provide scriptural verses, to supplement]


Thanks!
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Post by: grazie7y on May 27, 2009, 02:53:08 AM


Thanks!
In times of difficulties, I always turn to Him.  I lift it all up to him as he promised to give me rest when the load is heavy. 

I hope it's ok to share with you one of my favorite songs to sing especially when time is tough.  By Basil Valdez, Lift Up Your Hands

Life is not all that bad, my friend, hmmm
If you believe in yourself
If you believe there's Someone
Who walks through life without you
You'll never be alone
Just learn to reach out,
And open your heart
Lift up hands to God,
And He'll show you the way.

And He said, "Cast your burdens upon Me
Those who are heavily laden,
Come to Me, all of you who are tired
Of carrying heavy loads,
For the yoke I will give you is easy
And My burden is light,
Come to Me and I will give you rest."

When you feel the world
Is tumblin' down on you,
And you have no one
That you can hold on to,
Just face the rising sun
And you'll see hope,
And there's no need to run
Lift up your hands to God,
And He'll make you feel all right.

And He said, "Cast your burdens upon Me
Those who are heavily laden,
Come to Me, all of you who are tired
Of carrying heavy loads,
For the yoke I will give you is easy
And My burden is light,
Come to Me and I will give you rest."
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Post by: jeraldybelleta on May 29, 2009, 10:58:39 AM
I agree with you Mr. Lorenzo that we should do everything for the glory of God. He is the king of all kings. We must give back all the praises and the glory to God..Thanks God for everything..
God Bless guys...

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Post by: analynsarte on May 29, 2009, 03:00:39 PM
Yeah...
Everything comes from God and for God.
Life is too short, nothing will last except the one that we've done for God.
He is not just our portion but our everything!
He's death is the ultimate expression of His to all of us.
Nothing compares to Him!
He is beautiful, marvelous, wonderful, magnificent amazing God.

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Post by: fdaray on May 30, 2009, 07:40:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qINNR0Oblsc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qINNR0Oblsc)

       Let us sing this beautiful song
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Post by: Lorenzo on May 30, 2009, 07:54:39 AM
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Amen, brother.

Romans 11: 33-36,
33 Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”

36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.



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Post by: Bad Godesberg on June 01, 2009, 05:11:28 AM
We thank you Lord for blessing us Peace , Prosperity, Good Health
and the Grace to love God above all !
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Post by: Bad Godesberg on June 01, 2009, 05:27:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag_OeL3z_P8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag_OeL3z_P8)

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+JLY
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on June 04, 2009, 05:44:39 AM

Amen.
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Post by: Lorenzo on June 10, 2009, 12:37:47 AM
Scripture tells us and talks about the specific things that the Lord God Hates.

What are these particular mandates, and provide the scriptural verses to support it.

You may provide personal insight as well, let it fall in line with biblical study, however.

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Post by: Lorenzo on June 15, 2009, 02:27:13 AM
Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

There are specific things that The Lord Our God Hates.

Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things the LORD HATES, seven that are DETESTABLE to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.


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1. Haughty Eyes = Looking Down on Others if they are lower in economic, political, wealth status.

-Proverbs 11:2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.


2. A Lying Tongue: Liars.
-Revelation 21:8 ...and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
God hates lies.
-Psalms 5:5b-6a ...you hate all who do wrong.You destroy those who tell lies.

3. Hands That Shed Innocent Blood = MURDERERS
-Joel 3:19 But Egypt will be desolate, Edom a desert waste, because of violence done to the people of Judah, in whose land they shed innocent blood.

4. "A HEART that DEVISES WICKED SCHEMES"
= Two Faced Individuals; people who kiss you with sweet words, but curse you behind your back.
-Jeremiah 17:9-  The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

5) "Feet that are QUICK to rush INTO EVIL" —

    •• Quote #4 above, about the heart’s tendency to wickedness, has already brought up evil.

    •• The hated conduct here is the quickness to rush into evil.

Titus 2:6 Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled.

    •• Self-control is the antidote to quick falls into temptation.

        • For example, (Proverbs 29:11) “A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.”

    •• God hates a swiftness to rush into evil.

6) "A FALSE WITNESS who pours out LIES" —

    •• “False witness” — violates one of the Ten Commandments.

        • God hates those who lie about other people.

        • God hates those who do harm and disservice to His system of justice.

        • I was once selected for jury duty in a trial in which the accused had allegedly been drinking alcohol. In the questioning of us potential jurors, integrity required that I had to speak up about my beliefs and preaching against alcohol. I was admittedly not impartial from the outset, and the judge rightly dismissed me from the jury selection.

    •• God hates a false witness.

        • Notice that this is a person that God hates! I’ve heard Christians say that God hates no one. That sounds noble, but it is anti-Scriptural. Here it is clearly said that “...the Lord hates ... a false witness.”

        • See below for another type of person the Lord hates.

7) "A man who STIRS UP DISSENSION among BROTHERS" —

Titus 3:10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on June 16, 2009, 03:50:27 PM
The issue I want to bring up is the issue of Gossip. Or in Filipino terms, "Chismiss"

It is an issue that Scripture is antagonistic towards, and so should we be all.

Do not gossip. Nor should you spread false rumors and lies.

===

"The hypocrite with his mouth destroys his neighbor"
-Proverbs 11:9


"A serpent may bite when it is not charmed; the babbler is no different"
-Ecclesiastes 10:11



Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on June 16, 2009, 04:00:17 PM
How To Deal With Gossip/ Back-Talkers/ Liars/ Two Faced Individuals:


Scripture tells the answer:

Dealing With Gossiper:
19Do not entertain an accusation against an elder unless it is brought by two or three witnesses. 20Those who sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning.
--1 Timothy 5:19

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Don't take part of it. And if people gossip about you, spread lies about you.
Just bless them. Pray for them. Because theirs is the act of falsehood.
Pray for them, and release everything lang to Jesus.

And move on.
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Post by: Lorenzo on June 16, 2009, 04:08:17 PM
This resounds back to the preachings of John the Baptist. And by the ministry of Jesus Christ after the death of John.

When John the Baptist ministered in the Jorden, baptizing those who seeked repentance, there were those--the pharisees--who spread lies about him. Though the lies were untrue. That is an example of gossippers.

When Jesus Christ cured the leprotics, made the deaf hear, cured the lame, cured the possessed, raised the dead and all the miracles to profess the faith and message of God. Yet there sadistic people--unbelievers, pharisees, and gossipers who accused our Lord Jesus Christ. Some even said that Christ used belzeebub to remove demons. Yet Jesus Answered them and rebuked them:

Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.” And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.” So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.” He said this because they were saying, “He has an evil spirit.”
(Mark 3:20-30)
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Lesson of the Story: Beware of gossipers, and those that spread false rumors.
Beware and pray for those who are nice to you in your face, but then again, talk about you with words that are destructive and malicious behind your back.

Those kinds of individuals are not friends, nor should we associate with them.

Pray for them na lang.
--

Please read proverbs regarding individuals that are chronic gossipers.
Stay away from them.
For as much as they gossip about other people to you, they too shall gossip about you to other people.

Let us pray for them.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on June 27, 2009, 02:48:16 PM
When Jesus came late to heal Lazarus, what were the indications that he did so?
What were the responses of the people of his arrival? And in the rising of the Lazarus, what was Jesus' message to us that resounds Christian Truth?

Provide scriptural verse.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2009, 01:43:06 PM
Answer

Lazarus was a good friend of Jesus. His sisters, Mary and Martha, were also devout followers of the Lord. So when Lazarus was ill, they called to Jesus, asking Him to come and heal Lazarus. But Jesus waited. After a couple days, he told the disciples he was going to Bethany. Now Bethany was only two miles from Jerusalem, where there were Jews who wanted to kill Jesus. The disciples felt it was dangerous to go there. But Jesus was not afraid. He knew that God would protect him if he did the Father's will.
 

When Jesus arrived, Martha met him on the road. She told Jesus Lazarus wouldn't have died if he had come sooner. But she also added that she still believed the Father would do anything Jesus asked of him. Her faith was very strong. Jesus said Lazarus would live again. Martha replied that she knew he would rise again on the last day. Jesus answered, "I am the resurrection and the life. Those who believe in me, even though they die, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?" Martha said yes, she believed Jesus was the Messiah.
 

Then Martha went back and sent Mary to Jesus. She also told Jesus that Lazarus would not have died if he had come sooner. The other Jews gathered around wondered why this great healer didn't heal his good friend. Jesus was greatly upset and asked to be shown where Lazarus lay. He told them to take away the big stone that blocked the tomb. Martha protested that it was so late, the body would be decaying already. But Jesus reminded her of the glory of God. Jesus thanked the Lord for answering his prayer, so that the crowd would believe God sent him. And he cried with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come out!" And he came out of the tomb, still wrapped in the burial cloths.



READ: John 11:1-44


Amen!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2009, 01:49:04 PM
You know, brothers and sisters, if you read John 11, the following verses really unwinds you, the faithful, to the TRUE LOVE of Christ.

You see, that the LORD JESUS CHRIST, is indeed, touched and moved to tears by the crying and the pains of those who call out to HIM. Asking and wailing in faith, for his provision.

One asks, where is this seen in scripture? It is provided, brethren in Christ!
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Jesus Weeps

28 When she had said this, she went and called her sister Mary, saying in private, “The Teacher is here and is calling for you.” 29 And when she heard it, she rose quickly and went to him. 30 Now Jesus had not yet come into the village, but was still in the place where Martha had met him. 31 When the Jews who were with her in the house, consoling her, saw Mary rise quickly and go out, they followed her, supposing that she was going to the tomb to weep there. 32 Now when Mary came to where Jesus was and saw him, she fell at his feet, saying to him, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.” 33 When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in his spirit and greatly troubled. 34 And he said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to him, “Lord, come and see.” 35 Jesus wept. 36 So the Jews said, “See how he loved him!” 37 But some of them said, “Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man also have kept this man from dying?”



38 Then Jesus, deeply moved again, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it. 39 Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to him, “Lord, by this time there will be an odor, for he has been dead four days.” 40 Jesus said to her, “Did I not tell you that if you believed you would see the glory of God?” 41 So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this on account of the people standing around, that they may believe that you sent me.” 43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out.” 44 The man who had died came out, his hands and feet bound with linen strips, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”



(JOHN 11: 28-44)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2009, 02:01:03 PM
In the question that I asked, "And in the rising of the Lazarus, what was Jesus' message to us that resounds Christian Truth?"

I wanted you all to remember the simple and basic tenet of our faith. Which is? That Christ's Power is Authority Eternal. The Alpha and the Omega.

Christ Jesus solidifies this purely and concretely in his answer to Martha, the sister of Lazarus.

READ:

Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22 But even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.” 23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” 27 She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of The Living God, who is coming into the world.”

(JOHN 11: 21-27)

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And Martha's answer, is and SHOULD also be our answer.
Her answer to Christ Jesus question, was "Yes, Lord. I believe that you are the CHRIST. The Son of The Living God, who Is Coming Into The World."

AMEN! hehe!


My personal question to you (the reader).

Now do you believe that Christ Jesus is the Lord? The Son of the Living God? Who has Came and has died and risen for the TOTAL remission of Sins and is the very path towards Salvation?

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I want you, the reader, to think about this. Internally digest it. Answer it in your own mind. Christ will know your answer. :)

Remember, We should all be like Martha!

God Bless You, guys!
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 02, 2009, 08:14:44 AM
I was moved to tears and to deep contemplation today via the message of a friend of mine, regarding her close friend who is suffering a physical situation. I was brought to tears to the situation of this wonderful and beautiful individual, who is carrying a heavy burden.

Lo, I was moved to tears.

That despite the painful physical situation this individual is in, her beauty in the Spirit has grown!
I may not have known you before, or have talked to each other---but do know that you are in my deepest prayers.

Remember, my friend, that despite the hounds of our lives, despite the waves that come crashing down on us, despite the challenges that deign us to conquor, we have and we do find strength through The Only One Love that can envigorate a troubled soul, a battered body, and a weakened faith. It is to the Love of Jesus Christ, and CHRIST ALONE. I cannot stress enough the saving Grace that is in Total Trust and Surrender to Jesus Christ.

That we may suffer, ache, challenged, and battered by the troubles of life, we find new strength and courage that comes from The Lord Jesus Christ who IS the ALPHA and THE OMEGA. Jesus Christ is the Beginning and the End. The Word, The Eternal Light of Grace, the Face of THE FATHER IN HEAVEN. :)

Tho our bodies may be weak, we are strengthened in a renewal of Faith.
That, is what I call---SAVING FAITH.

My friend, Find Strength that is in The Word of God.
Join me here. I am happy and honored to know you. :)


God Bless you.
My thoughts and prayers,
Lorenzo
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 02, 2009, 10:17:37 AM
Reaching Out to Ms. Carmel Marie ,


Dear Carmel Marie,
If you read this thread, please know that I was told of your interest in studying the bible and getting to know more the Word of God. I was deeply touched, and moved to tears.

I would be more than honored to help you read the bible, and open to discussing with you, with all the things you are interested in regarding the Bible and verses that you have in mind.

I was deeply moved to hear your testimony from a mutual friend of ours. Amen! The Lord is glorified in all things, and through all persons who open their ears and eyes to read and listen to His Word.

I am here ha. I want you to know that. :)

May the love and peace of Our Lord Jesus Christ be always with you.
To strengthen you, and to guide you, and to preserve your powerful faith!


Your Brother In Christ,
Bran Lorenz
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 02, 2009, 10:37:00 AM
Carmel Marie,

I want you to listen to this song. This song is a powerful song, a beautiful Worship Song that my friend Job and I sing in the Church Choir on Sundays.

We sing this as the ending hymn, and raise the voices of the church to sing glory to God.
That even tho we, in our own pains and failures, we nonetheless sing Glory to Our Father.
Remember lang that tho our pains be strong, this life, this life called Pilgrimage, is fleeting.
We look forward to the TRUE LIFE, which is in the arm and bosom of Jesus Christ Our Savior Lord. Who raises the dead to life. And I stand firm, and in my belief, that tho we may die, we live Forever in Jesus Christ. hehe.

So come sing with me, Carmel Marie.
:)

Savior, He can Move the Mountains.....
[mp3tube]96dc7569c61446d7b8aa264ad5963cb0[/mp3tube]
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: grazie7y on July 02, 2009, 11:00:56 AM
Dong, I am deeply moved by your posts dedicated for Carmel Marie aka Melmel and sometimes Meow.  Yes, she is one beautiful girl, inside and out.  I am honored to have known her. 

You see, Dong, I only say a little about her and your posts tells me how connected you are already to her and her situation.  Salamat kaayo, Dong, from deepest core of my being! 
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 02, 2009, 11:25:34 AM
I am still struggling and bearing the weight of loss of my own Uncle, who passed on to The Arms of Jesus Christ, and I have spent many nights mourning and crying for my beloved Uncle Roy Rustico. My dear Uncle Bayoyy....

When I read your message, 'te, I was brought to tears because I thought of my own Uncle Bayoy.

And I stand firm, I say to you, there is no real death. The physical death is not the end, but is only the beginning. For those who died in friendship with Jesus Christ, and loved him in life, for sure He is The Loving Savior that will raise them. I believe in this jud. We should not fear the pains that affect the body in the present, sure it hurts, Amen! We pray for the pains. But we are confident---because of the Love that is in Jesus. Who is with us to the ending of the World.

If sakit ang kalibutan, just call on Jesus...

:)

So beautiful...is our faith...
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 03, 2009, 03:47:41 AM
When there are things that trouble us, either it a physical object, a trauma, a situation at hand, or be it a spiritual problem, a strain, a battle in the faith, a temptation of the flesh etc, what are we told---what are we reminded about in regards to strength? How to overcome? What is the methodology? Provide the scriptural verse(s).


Come, let us discuss with one another.  :D
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Post by: MIKELIGALIG.com on July 03, 2009, 09:13:38 AM
The proper study of the Word of God is the very manifestation of the elect's soul claiming his eternal salvation, the reward of a Saving Faith. And a yearning to be with the Eternal Living God.

The words of the Holy Bible is the breath of the soul, from which is the very breath of God.

Holy, Holy are you who read and keep it to heart. For nothing can compare to the Word of God.

Man, Woman, all things are finite and come and go. Like the dusts of time.
But the Word of God stands Forever.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: MIKELIGALIG.com on July 05, 2009, 11:05:53 AM


Good question. And deserves a response.

There are so many verses in The Holy Bible that reminds a faithful Christian to believe in the Lord's saving grace. One in particular is;

Be content with what you have, for God has said, "Never
     will I leave you; never will I forsake you."  So say with
     confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid."
 - Hebrews 13:5,6


And regarding trust. Trust in The Lord.

Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord and has made the
    Lord his hope and confidence.
 - Jeremiah 17:7


Have you made The Lord Your Hope?
If you have, God Bless You!
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Post by: nilamaw on July 05, 2009, 11:42:56 PM
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 06, 2009, 05:39:22 AM

Hello Tita!

Amen pood ko! hehehe :)

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: beyotch on July 06, 2009, 10:21:34 AM
yes...i do believed that god is our only salvation
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 07, 2009, 09:50:44 AM

Hello, Bey!
Salamat sa imung personal testimony diri. Well appreciated pood lagi. Join us more in our dialogue and study sa Bibliya diri. I personally invite you to more of our dialogue, and to actively read and share with us. hehehe.

To The Lord Jesus Christ be the Glory!

:)
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Post by: Lorenzo on July 11, 2009, 04:05:53 AM
I want you all to read this verse and provide us with your personal interpretation of the meaning:

We are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. —Ephesians 2:10


Sige,
Let us talk.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on July 15, 2009, 01:11:40 PM
We are comanded and prepared to walk in good works.

This verse in scripture completes prior verse in Ephesians that demands 'Faith' for Salvation. :)

God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
(Ephesians 2: 2-10)

We are reminded that by Faith in Jesus Christ we are saved, but Faith must be completed through your work. Complemented.

Ephesians 2:10 states, "We are HIS workmanship, created in Jesus Christ for Good Works, which GOD PREPARED beforehand that we SHOULD walk in them."

Faith and Good Works.
We cannot be selective in Scriptural Analysis. Ephesians 2 tells us that We are all saved by faith because Christ died for our sins, lest any man should boast. Meaning ani, is that we are saved by Christ's dying on the cross.

But as we were created by God through Christ Jesus--WHO IS THE WORD made FLESH--we were also created to walk in good works.

Ang meaning ani reiterates the same message by the concept of "Being Both Hearers and Doers of the Word." [Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.]
(James 1:22)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 13, 2009, 03:17:44 PM
The disciples asked Jesus , "Lord, What does one have to do to recieve salvation?"

My question to you all is: What was Jesus Christ's Answer to that question?

Second is: How does one recieve Salvation On High?



Come, brethren, let us break bread together as we discuss this.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 25, 2009, 05:58:45 PM
Answer!

When God created the world, it was perfect and good. Then he made Adam and Eve and gave them their own free will, so they would have a choice whether to follow and obey God. But they were tempted by Satan to disobey God, and they sinned. This separated them (and everyone that came after them, including us) from being able to have a close relationship with God. He is perfect and holy and must judge sin. As sinners, we couldn't reconcile ourselves to God on our own. So God made a way that we could be united with Him in heaven. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16). "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 6:23). Jesus was born to die for our sins so that we would not have to. Three days after His death, He rose from the grave (Romans 4:25), proving Himself victorious over death. He bridged the gap between God and man so that we may have a personal relationship with Him if we only believe.

"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" (John 17:3). Most people believe in God, even Satan does. But to receive salvation, we must turn to God, form a personal relationship, turn away from our sins, and follow Him. We must trust in Jesus with everything we have and everything we do. "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference" (Romans 3:22). The Bible teaches that there is no other way to salvation than through Christ. Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Jesus is the only way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty (Romans 6:23). No other religion teaches the depth or seriousness of sin and its consequences. No other religion offers the infinite payment of sin that only Jesus Christ could provide. No other “religious founder” was God become man (John 1:1,14) – the only way an infinite debt could be paid. Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ! “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 26, 2009, 10:59:42 AM
Dear Friends, Brothers and Sisteres in Christ,

In our lives we come across people, some good, some bad,
some worthy of our memory, some whom we wish we never met,
but in the end, they nonetheless have affected our lives one way or another.
We all have gone through this stage in life one point or another.

What I want to discuss with you all is the notion of: Friendship.

The meaning of Real Friendship and the things that warrant a person to be considered a true Friend.

Biblically speaking, what does Scripture say about true friends?
Speak your view, provide scriptural reference and even personal anecdotes.


Yours In Christ,
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 27, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
Answer:

1.  Choose Your Friends Carefully

This first verse is the one that will tell us to choose our friends very carefully in this life. This verse should literally be burned into your memory banks so that you never ever forget this basic fundamental command from the Lord! Here it is:

    "The righteous should CHOOSE HIS FRIENDS CAREFULLY, for the way of the wicked leads them astray." (Proverbs 12:26)

Notice this verse is specifically telling us that if we do not choose our friends very carefully in this life, that we could end up choosing the wrong type of people to become friends with and they can then end up leading us astray from God and with what He wants to do with our lives. Many of God's people have lost their calls in Him because they chose to hang out with the wrong type of people or the wrong crowd.


2.  Benefits of Choosing Good God-Friends

Here are six very interesting verses showing you why God does want you to have other good solid Christian friends to share your walk with.

These six verses will show you that there is safety in the multitude of counselors, that plans can go awry without having other people to hash things out with, that war is waged by wise counsel with others, that learning is increased by listening to wise counsel, and that if you cease to listen to wise counsel - that you will start to stray from being able to acquire more knowledge in God.

    * "Where there is no counsel, the people fall; but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." (Proverbs 11:14)
      
    * "A wise man is strong, yes, a man of knowledge increases strength; for by wise counsel you will wage your own war, and in a multitude of counselors there is safety." (Proverbs 24:5)
      
    * "Every purpose is established by counsel; by wise counsel wage war." (Proverbs 20:18)
      
    * "Without counsel, plans go awry, but in the multitude of counselors they are established." (Proverbs 15:22)
      
    * "Listen to counsel and receive instruction, that you may be wise in your latter days." (Proverbs 19:20)
      
    * "Cease listening to instruction, my son, and you will stray from the words of knowledge." (Proverbs 19:27)

Once you turn the reigns of your life over to God for Him to fully handle, He will now make sure that you get matched up with the right kind of people that you can become true God-friends with.

3.  As Iron Sharpens Iron

This next verse is extremely fascinating as it tells us that two friends can help sharpen each other up as iron sharpens iron. A true God-friend can help keep you sharp in the Spirit, let you know when you are getting too far off track, help you get through and make sense of some of the downswings that can occur in your walk, confirm and help bear witness when you are on the right track, give you pep talks when needed, and help keep you in the game when you start to get too mad and too frustrated when things do not go your way.

You each serve to help keep each other up in the Lord so that you both can continue to stay on the straight and narrow road that God now has you set up on. You can also help each other out if one starts to be tempted to do something they should not be engaging in. Here is the verse:

    "As iron sharpens iron, so a man sharpens the countenance of his friend." (Proverbs 27:17)

A true God-friend will always be honest and straight forward with you. You cannot help keep each other up and sharp in the Lord unless you are both willing to be totally honest with one another.

4. Do Not Be Unequally Yoked With Unbelievers

These next seven verses will tell us not to be yoked together with unbelievers, foolish men, dogs, evil workers, those who are disorderly, reckless, contentious and always causing trouble and strife.

There is one verse in particular that tells us that "evil company corrupts good habits." This verse perfectly shows us what can happen to any of your children if they start hanging out with the wrong type of people.

Here are 7 good verses telling us to stay on our side of the fence, and to stay away from all of the bad apples who have no desire for God or anything that He stands for.

    * "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God." (2 Corinthians 6:14)
      
    * "He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of fools will be destroyed." (Proverbs 13:20)
      
    * "A scoffer seeks wisdom and does not find it, but knowledge is easy to him who understands. Go from the presence of a foolish man, when you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge." (Proverbs 14:6)
      
    * "Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers ..." (Philippians 3:2)
      
    * "But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us." (2 Thessalonians 3:6)
      
    * "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple." (Romans 16:17)
      
    * "Do not be deceived: "Evil company corrupts good habits." Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God." (1 Corinthians 15:33)

All of these verses are giving us major warnings that we are to stay away from all of the bad apples in this life who will do nothing but try and bring us down to their lower way of living in this life. Many Christians have had their lives totally ruined and destroyed as a result of marrying the wrong people or choosing the wrong kinds of friends to hang out with.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on August 27, 2009, 12:14:02 PM
Ang Ginoo di man mamili...He loves everybody. He never discriminate. (i think)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 28, 2009, 07:34:02 AM
We decide for ourselves the right friends.

And of course the Lord God judges. He is the final judge.

Please open a bible.

I invite you to read the bible more frequently. Lest false teachings permeate.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 28, 2009, 07:40:12 AM
The Lord Jesus Christ tells us there would be few who will find salvation, many loose their way, many fall into their sins, many have lost their will to find HIM.

Is it too late? Of course Not! Repent and Be Saved!

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12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

 13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

 14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

-Matthew 7:12-14
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 28, 2009, 07:56:41 AM
Question: "What is true friendship according to the Bible?"


Answer: The Lord Jesus Christ gave us the definition of a true friend: "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you" (John 15:13-15). Jesus is the pure example of a true friend, for He laid down His life for His "friends." What is more, anyone may become His friend by trusting in Him as his personal savior, being born again and receiving new life in Him.

There is an example of true friendship between David and Saul's son Jonathan, who, in spite of his father Saul's pursuit of David and attempts to kill him, stood by his friend. You will find that story in 1 Samuel chapter 18 through chapter 20. Some pertinent passages are 1 Samuel 18:1-4; 19: 4-7; 20:11-17, 41-42.

Proverbs is another good source of wisdom regarding friends. "A friend loves at all times, and a brother is born for adversity" (Proverbs 17:17). "A man of many companions may come to ruin, but there is a friend who sticks closer than a brother" (Proverbs 18:24). The issue here is that in order have a friend, one must be a friend. "Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses" (Proverbs 27:6). " As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another" (Proverbs 27:17).

The principle of friendship is also found in Amos. "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" (Amos 3:3 KJV). Friends are of like mind. The truth that comes from all of this is a friendship is a relationship that is entered into by individuals, and it is only as good or as close as those individuals choose to make it. Someone has said that if you can count your true friends on the fingers of one hand, you are blessed. A friend is one whom you can be yourself with and never fear that he or she will judge you. A friend is someone that you can confide in with complete trust. A friend is someone you respect and that respects you, not based upon worthiness but based upon a likeness of mind.

Finally, the real definition of a true friend comes from the Apostle Paul: "For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:7-8). "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends." (John 15:13). Now, that is true friendship!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on August 28, 2009, 12:42:35 PM
Let us now examine the notion of selectivity and totality in regards to Scriptural Studies.

I personally am not comfortable when I discuss scripture with individuals who are so selective in scriptural references. Amen, I listen to their examples, but selectivity in verses and not reading the entire verse; before said verse and after said verse is something that gets me.

As I have told to my fellow Christian brothers whom I have had the pleasure in studying the Blessed Word with, it is best to study Scripture in its totality and in reading not only the words and taking the message, but also reading 'in between the lines'. :)

When you read and study the Holy Bible, read the whole book. And contemplate every single verse, every single passage, every single chapter, every single book.

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Revelation 22:18-19 "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book; if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away that person's share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."



Yours In Christ,
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on September 04, 2009, 05:14:38 PM
Brothers, Sisters,

Let us now examine the topic of REPENTANCE.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on September 04, 2009, 05:17:05 PM
The Bible speaks about repenting from sin. To repent means to change one’s mind, to turn from, and turn to God. Here mind is referred to but the heart is implied. John the Baptist came crying Repent! Repent! Jesus Christ began His ministry with a call to repentance in Matt 4: 17. This call is not to the nation of Israel or nation but it is now the call of repentance to the individual. When we repent and turn to God for Salvation we must exercise or use our faith to receive Salvation.

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There are two types of repentance and we can see both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. I will call them this way throughout this text.

1. WORLDLY REPENTANCE

2. TRUE REPENTANCE

What does it mean when I say True Repentance or spiritual repentance?

What does it mean when I say Worldly Repentance?

Let us look at both ways through the word of God:

1. WORLDLY REPENTANCE

Turn your Bible to Exodus Read Chapter 9:

9:1 This was the fifth time God impelled Moses back to Pharaoh with this demand, “Let my people go!” Moses may have been tired and discouraged, but he continued to obey. Is there a difficult conflict you must face repeatedly? Don’t give up, don’t quit, when you know what is right to do. Moses discovered, persistence and patience is a virtue of God and God will reward obedience.

9:12 God gave Pharaoh numerous opportunities to observe Moses’ warnings. But in the end God seemed to say, “All right, Pharaoh, have it your own way,” and Pharaoh’s heart developed into permanently hardened. Did God deliberately harden Pharaoh’s heart and make null and void his free will? No, he merely confirmed that Pharaoh wholeheartedly chose and preferred a life of resisting God. Likewise, after a lifetime of resisting God, people may possibly find it impossible to turn to him. Don’t delay until just the right time before turning to God. Act now as you still have the opportunity. If you persistently ignore God’s voice, eventually you will be unable to hear God’s call at all.

Focus: 9:27-34 After promising to let the Hebrews go, Pharaoh immediately broke his promise and brought even more trouble upon the land. His actions reveal that his repentance was not real. We do damage to ourselves and to others if we pretend to change but don’t mean it

Pharaoh represents the world’s type of repentance. Pharaoh cried out to Moses’ and said he repented but as soon as the plague or hardship was removed he returned to the same sin. How many times have been guilty of refusing to obey God’s word and asking for forgiveness and shortly after the hardship is over we return to the same sin or thing that brought us into bondage in the first place. Pharaoh experienced the power and might of the one true living God and the world of Pharaoh would learn about the Lord through these experiences. Pharaoh represents the natural or physical mans reasoning against the word of God or the spiritual conflict between man and God. Natural disasters can cause us to call out in fear and helplessness; along with hardships or difficulties man cries out but this is not the same as true repentance but arises from the terror of the difficulty or hardship. Man will return to his sin when this type of repentance or bargaining is done. Pharaoh feared the hardships of the plagues but he did not fear or turn to the Lord with a true heart repentance.

Review:

1. Pharaoh did not acknowledge his sin or tendency to do wrong.
2. The nation and Pharaoh did not realize his sin was rebellion against God.
3. They never admitted their sin to God and turned from it.
4. Pharaoh never trusted in God’s willingness to forgive although God demonstrated his patience and Willing to relent.
5. Pharaoh never accepted forgiveness because the hardness of his heart.



2. TRUE REPENTANCE:

Turn your Bible to verses Ezra10 and read.

10:1-2 Focus verses: 3-4-11 Ezra prayed earnestly from the heart. A large crowd wept with him. The hearts turned to repentance and turned to God.

10:3 Why were the reasons these men were commanded to send away their wives and children? Even though the measure was extreme, intermarriage to pagans was strictly forbidden and outlawed (Deut. 7:3-4), and even the priests and Levites had intermarried. This might be compared today as to a Christian marrying a devil worshiper. Although a hardnosed solution, it only involved 113 of the approximately 29,000 families. These marriages were outside the law with pagans who served other gods. They were not covenant marriages. Even today, many are not in covenant marriages. They were believers marrying unbelievers.

Ezra’s strong action, although very difficult for some people, was necessary to preserve and protect Israel as a nation dedicated to God. Some of the exiles of the northern kingdom of Israel had lost both their spiritual and physical characteristics through intermarriage. Their pagan spouses were the root the people worshiping idols. Ezra did not desire this to happen to the exiles of the southern kingdom of Judah.

10:3-4, 11 Following, Ezra’s earnest heart rendering prayer, the people confessed their sin to God. They asked for direction and the God’s way and will in restoring their relationship with God. True repentance does not end with words of confession; this would be mere lip service. Repentance must lead to corrected behavior, actions and changed attitudes. When you sin and are truly sorry or remorseful, confess your sin to God, ask His forgiveness, and accept His grace, mercy and forgiveness. Then, as an act of appreciation for your forgiveness, make the needed corrections. 1 John 1:9 (KJV) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10:11 As believers in Jesus Christ, all our sins are forgiven. Christ Jesus’ death cleansed us from all sin. Why do we still confess our sins? Confession is more than appropriation of Christ’s forgiveness for what we have done wrong, and we do not have to re-confess sins that were previously confessed. Confession is agreeing with God that our thoughts, words, attitudes and actions are wrong and contrary to God’s will. It is recommitting ourselves, to do his will and to renounce any acts of disobedience. Confession is turning away from sin and asking God for fresh power to live for him.

Focus verses: 3-4-11

Ezra prayed earnestly from the heart. A large crowd wept with him.

The people repented from the heart but repentance did not stop with confession. The people turned from their sin, wrong deeds and actions or deeds. True repentance will not stop at confession or it is only lip service. Confession is agreeing with God that our thoughts, actions, behaviors and attitudes are opposing to his word and will. True repentance will lead to change. Confession and repentance brings about recommitting to God’s will and word, and renouncing our disobedience to God. Disobedience is rebellion and the Bible or word says this is the same as witchcraft. Disobedience brings death. Obedience brings life.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on September 10, 2009, 12:31:49 PM
Let us talk about Our Father's Love.

Brothers, Sisters, what do you think about our Heavenly Father's Love?
What does Scripture say about HIS Love for Us?
Give personal and scriptural points.

hehehe!

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: gwargz on September 24, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
Lorenzo says: Guys, remember that wherever we are, or whoever we are with,
do things for the Glory of the Lord and do not offend those around you.
Let us be like Christ and imitate him, despite our personal iniquities.

Brother Lorenzo, pagka-chada sa mensahe sa Holy Spirit nga mikunsad nimo (read above).
God is truly using you. Keep it up, Bro. God bless you.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on September 25, 2009, 03:21:42 AM
Good afternoon, bro!
ma lipay pood ko that these messages helped, bro.
Mo post rapood ko after biblical contemplation, salamat sa blessings nimo, bro.
And May the Lord God Bless You too! Bless all of us! :)

Please join me in this thread, bro.

We are reminded, bitaw, that we are the Temples of the Holy Spirit.
For we all have been purchased at a price. Which is Christ on the Cross.

:)

Yours in Christ,
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on October 15, 2009, 04:08:45 AM
A member asked me a question, regarding the quote from St. Vincent De Paul,
""Strive to live content in the midst of those things that cause your discontent. Free your mind from all that troubles you, God will take care of things. You will be unable to make haste in this [choice] without, so to speak, grieving the heart of God, because he sees that you do not honor him sufficiently with holy trust. Trust in him, I beg you, and you will have the fulfillment of what your heart desires" (St. Vincent de Paul, Letters).

This member asked me what St. Vincent De Paul meant by this quotation? What is the biblical complement to this quotation and what should we take from this said verse?

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My response:

Glory be to the Lord God: The Eternal Father, The Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit--who proceeds from the Father and the Son. Whose righteousness is from everlasting to everlasting. Whose wisdom speaks and pierces through every soul it seeketh and wills to awaken. Blessed be God in The Highest! Bless His Name!

Brother, thank you for your question and for addressing this quotation from St. Vincent De Paul, who is the patron of the sick and the impoverished. When we analyze the life of Blessed Vincent De Paul, we realize and understand that his life was that of a follower of Christ. And we are reminded through his works in helping, feeding, clothing, and praying for the poor and ill that it was Christ who willed us to be compassionate towards those who were poor, afflicted, dying, and needy. For we are reminded that it is works that illustrates our faith that we profess with our mouths.

James 2:20-22
Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.

Our works of faith completes and illustrates/ validates ones' faith. Faith is completed in good works.
One cannot have the other, as we are reminded in:

James 2:14-18
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.


Brother, this resounds back to the message given to us by St. Vincent De Paul in his phrasing, ""Strive to live content in the midst of those things that cause your discontent. Free your mind from all that troubles you, God will take care of things. You will be unable to make haste in this [choice] without, so to speak, grieving the heart of God, because he sees that you do not honor him sufficiently with holy trust. Trust in him, I beg you, and you will have the fulfillment of what your heart desires"

We must strive to live in holy trust with God, and to live peacefully within our own soul and in complete trust in GOD. Even if there is discord amongst brethren that look down on us, say ill things about us behind our backs, because of our trust in God or in completing a task and action that we know that God is in support and in defense of.
Remember, brother, that nothing in this life is ever popular, especially the RIGHT things. This world that we live in is ruled by the devil, and his demons. His lies and his perverse satisfaction in causing discord amongst brothers; and in making what is wrong popular and what is RIGHT subject to criticism.

We are reminded to live in faith in GOD and in upholding our HOLY TRUST in God by showing our Good works.
For we are reminded in Matthew that we are a light upon the house, and that we should shine forth our good works so that others will see our good works and GLORIFY OUR ETERNAL FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN.

Matthew 5;16
"Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven."


Trust In God. In Everything you do Glorify Him. For it is said that, "WE CAN DO ALL THINGS THROUGH HIM WHO STRENGTHENS US." In GOD, all things are possible. :) ALL THINGS.


GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER!
Yours In Jesus Christ,
Lorenzo

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: bugsay on October 16, 2009, 03:43:51 PM
Bro Lorenz,

Thanks for the enlightenment.
Taas kaayo ang imong mensahe nga di ikalimod nag gigahinan gyud nimo'g panahon.
Abi nako ug mag doctor lang ka, mag Pari pud diay...hehehehe
Salamat Bro.

Bugsay
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: fdaray on October 16, 2009, 07:54:04 PM
The simple  of meaning of repentence: turning away from sin and ask forgiveness to God.

 
1 john 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on October 20, 2009, 03:21:14 AM

Brother,

To The Lord God be the Glory, Honor and Praise. To HIM and all to HIM.
Praise be to GOD who through the grace of the Holy Spirit--who proceeds from the Father and the Son--willed it that you ask that question--for it is proof and manifest of your hunger and thirsting after Righteousness of GOD'S WORD.

Praise be to GOD for all things.

May Our Lord Jesus Christ who is LORD be with you.
May the Grace of Our Lord--which is a Gift of Divine Providence--always abound in your life and in the lives of your children.

Your Brother in Christ,
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on November 02, 2009, 05:48:19 AM
Piety, Persistence, Penitence, and Prayer



Read Luke 18.


1 Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. 2 He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. 3 And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’ 4 “For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care about men, 5 yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually wear me out with her coming!’ “ 6 And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. 7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?” 9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ 13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ 14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” 15 People were also bringing babies to Jesus to have him touch them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. 16 But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”

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In studying Luke chapter 18 it may be good to pause and look back on the gospel of Luke from the vantage point of the Book of Acts. Dr. Luke wrote both of these books as companion volumes. We seldom study or teach them as such, although we probably should. These books were written a number of years after the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of our Lord. They were written at a time when the church was born and was rapidly growing. It was also a time when the church was predominantly Gentile, but when the Judaizers were working very hard to make law-keeping Jewish proselytes out of Christians and treating them as second-class citizens in the kingdom of God. Furthermore, it was a time when the first generation of believers, including the apostles, were about to pass from the scene.

The Books of Luke and Acts made a great contribution to the church in many ways, but pause with me to consider two specific areas which will shed light on what we are about to study in Luke. First, it was becoming evident that the kingdom of God was not likely to commence as quickly as some thought and hoped. As we now well know, there was to be some period of delay between the first and second comings of our Lord. The kingdom of God would be established, but not immediately. When Luke wrote this gospel the saints were coming to this conclusion, and Luke’s writing was intended to demonstrate that this delay was hinted at, indeed clearly implied, by our Lord’s words to His disciples. Our text in verses 1-8 points to this delay and to its implications.

Second, the church Luke described in the Book of Acts was constantly hounded, resisted, and rejected by the legalistic Jews who wished either to Judaize Gentile saints and the church or to keep them at arm’s length as second-class citizens of the kingdom of God. This opposition to the church by the Judaizers is a frequent theme in Acts, and Luke sets out to describe its roots and its remedy in the gospel account which he penned. By describing the opposition to our Lord by the Pharisees in the gospels, Luke prepares us for the opposition to the church by the Judaizers in Acts. Just as the Pharisees looked down on Jesus and the “sinners” He attracted and received in the gospel of Luke, the Judaizers looked down on Paul and the Gentile Christians. Why, after reading Luke, should we be shocked to see the opposition of the Jews to the church in Acts? Furthermore, in his gospel Luke sets out to show us very clearly that while the Pharisees (not to mention the Jews in general, including the disciples) rejected and resisted the grace of God being bestowed on Gentiles (especially Samaritans!—cf. Luke 4:16-30; 9:51-56), Jesus from the very outset purposed to save them, and He would not be hindered from doing so (cf. Luke 4:24-27).

My point is to establish that we are intended to understand this passage in Luke and, indeed the whole gospel, not only in the light of what has gone before but also in the light of what is going to happen (which is dealt with in the Book of Acts). We should understand the Book of Acts in the light of the preparatory writing of the gospel of Luke. Thus, Luke is indeed a prerequisite to understanding Acts. Much of the error in interpreting Acts may be the result of an inadequate grasp of Luke and its preparatory message.

Our text contains two major paragraphs. One unifying element is the common ingredient of prayer, which is a theme in both paragraphs. In the first (verses 1-8), we have the prayer or petition of the persistent widow which is constantly put before the unjust judge. In the second paragraph (verses 9-14), we have the prayer of the self-righteous Pharisee contrasted with the penitent prayer of the tax-collector.

Take note that in our text the Lord Jesus is teaching His disciples two lessons in contrast. The first lesson, that of perseverance in prayer, is taught by contrasting God, the righteous Judge who will speedily bring justice to the earth, with the unrighteous judge who reluctantly and only under duress gives the persistent widow the vindication and justice for which she petitioned. In the second paragraph, Jesus taught the attitude which is prerequisite for all prayer—humility. Thus, we see the smug self-righteousness of the Pharisees contrasted with the repentant contrition of the tax-collector. The underlying spirit of both is revealed by their prayers.

In this text we can learn much about ourselves from our prayer life. We will also find that Jesus has much to teach us about the kind of prayer befitting the saint who awaits the coming kingdom. We should consider carefully these words spoken by our Lord and recorded under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit by Luke for our instruction and edification so that we may live in a way that is pleasing to Him, by His grace.
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Post by: Lorenzo on November 02, 2009, 05:48:51 AM
The Context of Luke 18;


The gap between Jesus and the Pharisees began early in Luke’s gospel (chapter 5) and has been ever widening as the ministry and the message of the Lord Jesus Christ has unfolded. The Pharisees have already decided that Jesus will not be their Messiah, and thus they have begun to seek various occasions to renounce Him publicly (11:53-54). Their opposition to Jesus has progressed from questioning (11:53-54, etc.) to grumbling (15:1-2), to outright scoffing (16:14). Jesus has not been taken back by this nor has He in any way let up on them. He has already spoken some scorching words, directly renouncing their pride and hypocrisy (cf. 11:37-52). But in addition, He has spoken numerous parables which put the Pharisees in a bad light (cf. chapters 15 and 16).

One of the problems of Pharisaism was that it was hypocritical (12:1, etc.). Their hypocrisy was rooted in a desire to please men rather than God, which resulted in a conformity to human standards and values rather than God’s law (16:14-18). This resulted in an emphasis on appearances rather than on the attitudes of the heart (16:15). Thus those whom Pharisaism and others would have praised, Jesus cast in a very different light. Of those who would have been condemned on the basis of external appearances, Jesus spoke favorably. Talbert points out the way in which our Lord has consistently been overturning the contemporary value system, as outlined by Luke:

“The story fits into the general theme of status reversal in the third gospel. The New Age will overturn the values and structures of the present evil age. We meet this theme in the birth narratives (1:51-53) and in the Sermon on the Plain (6:20-26). In the travel narrative (9:51–19:44) Jesus’ teaching anticipates this eschatological reversal even now in overturning the estimate of what is virtue and what is vice. Consider 10:29-37 (good Samaritan/bad priest and levite); 10:38-42 (good inactive Mary/bad active Martha); 11:37-41 (good unclean/bad clean); 12:13-34 (good poor/bad rich); 14:7-11 (good humble/bad exalted); 15:11-32 (good prodigal/bad brother); 16:19-31 (good Lazarus/bad rich man); 18:18-30 (good poor/bad rich). Into this thematic context 18:9-14 fits (good tax collector/bad Pharisee) as another example of Jesus’ reversal of values. How can it be? What is wrong with so obviously good a man as the Pharisee? What can be right about so obviously perverse a person as the publican?”27

In the 17th chapter of Luke’s gospel, the focus has changed to the coming kingdom of God, introduced by the question of the Pharisees concerning the timing of the coming of the kingdom (17:20). Jesus briefly answered their question and then turned His attention to His disciples, instructing them concerning the kingdom. The topic is still the kingdom of God when we come to chapter 18. Verses 1-8 have to do with the disciple’s need to persist in praying for the coming of the kingdom (even though its arrival may appear late), and adversity, persecution, and injustice may suggest that the coming of the kingdom and the establishment of justice on the earth therefore seems unlikely. The second paragraph in chapter 18 turns from prayer for justice to prayer for mercy. Here, the self-righteous prayer of the Pharisee is contrasted with the penitent prayer of a tax-collector. Jesus turned the tables once again by saying that it was the penitent tax-collector who went away justified, rather than the pious-appearing Pharisee.
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Post by: Lorenzo on November 06, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
"What does the Bible say about jealousy?"


Answer: When we use the word “jealous,” we use it in a sense of being envious of someone who has something we do not have. This kind of jealousy is a sin and is not characteristic of a Christian; rather, it shows that we are still being controlled by our own desires (1 Corinthians 3:3). Galatians 5:26 says, “Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.”

The Bible tells us that we are to have the perfect kind of love that God has for us. “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.” (1 Corinthians 13:4-5). The more we focus on ourselves and our own desires, the less we are able to focus on God. When we harden our hearts to the truth, we cannot turn to Jesus and allow Him to heal us (Matthew 13:15). But when we allow the Holy Spirit to control us, He will produce in us the fruit of our salvation, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).

Being jealous indicates that we are not satisfied with what God has given us. The Bible tells us to be content with what we have, for God will never fail or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). In order to combat jealousy, we need to become more like Jesus and less like ourselves. We can get to know Him through Bible study, prayer, and fellowship with mature believers. As we learn how to serve others instead of ourselves, our hearts will begin to change. “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will” (Romans 12:2).
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Post by: Lorenzo on December 10, 2009, 09:08:05 PM
I shall put this on the floor for anyone to answer, a question was asked, "What are the things that the Lord hates and specifically detests, and what are the ways for us to receive redemption to save us from being thrown into hell because of it?"


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Post by: Lorenzo on December 23, 2009, 01:04:57 PM
A question was asked,:


But surely you must admit that the origins of Christmas, especially the symbolism and ceremonies associated with it, are rooted in Paganism.  How do you answer this?



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Stop and take a breath.  Okay, let's review what we know about the origin of the annual celebration of Christmas.

 

First, we have reliable records from the middle of the fourth century indicating that Christians celebrated Christmas in the churches of Rome.  The earliest record of Christ's birth being celebrated on December 25th is A.D. 354 in a work called Chronography.  The Chronography documented the various seasons and festivals of the churches in Rome, most of them commemorating the death of Martyrs. By A.D. 398 Christ's birth was being celebrated on December 6th all across the empire--except in Armenia (January 6th).

 

Second, the story of how December 25th was chosen has been caricatured for many years.  The Christian leaders who gave us the great Trinitarian and Christological Creeds of the fourth and fifth century were not so theologically naïve as to simply import a pagan feast into the church wholesale in order to pacify some recently baptized and nominally Christian pagans.  This is absurd.

 

On the contrary, the facts suggest it was the pagan Roman emperor Aurelian in A.D. 274 who introduced the pagan feast of the "invincible Sun" (sol invictus) in order to counteract the influence of the growing Christian population and their celebration of the birth of Jesus during this time of the year.  Pagans were imitating and aping Christians, not visa versa.  If you want to learn more about this, read William J. Tighe's excellent article Calculating Christmas: The Story Behind December 25.  His summary is worth quoting:

 

Thus, December 25th as the date of the Christ's birth appears to owe nothing whatsoever to pagan influences upon the practice of the Church during or after Constantine's time. It is wholly unlikely to have been the actual date of Christ's birth, but it arose entirely from the efforts of early Latin Christians to determine the historical date of Christ's death.

 

And the pagan feast which the Emperor Aurelian instituted on that date in the year 274 was not only an effort to use the winter solstice to make a political statement, but also almost certainly an attempt to give a pagan significance to a date already of importance to Roman Christians. The Christians, in turn, could at a later date re-appropriate the pagan "Birth of the Unconquered Sun" to refer, on the occasion of the birth of Christ, to the rising of the "Sun of Salvation" or the "Sun of Justice."

 

Third, there is sufficient historical evidence that the church's choice of December 25 as the festival of Christ's nativity was reached by independent calendrical calculation on the part of Christian scholars and pastors.  It was chosen for symbolic and chronological purposes as believing scholars reflected on the symbolism of the seasons and the chronological information available to them.

 

They believed that God initiated the new creation on the same day in which the old creation was made and redeemed the world on the same day as well (Spring).  The new creation began with the incarnation of the Word at the annunciation (March 25).  Add nine months to this and you get December 25th.

 

Whatever you think about this line of reasoning, it is anything but pagan!   The church deliberately chose December 25th because 1) they believed that Jesus was born sometime in the winter, and 2) having Christmas around the time of the winter solstice would enable the church to highlight the themes of darkness and light so prominent in the Gospel records.  The pagans did not own the seasons; they tried to commandeer them from God and his people.  And so in order to reclaim the seasons from the pagans, the church chose December 25th.  This would counteract whatever pagan winter festivals were out there that honored various sun gods and turn people instead toward "the Sun of righteousness arising with healing in his wings" (Mal. 4:2; Luke 1:78).  We have sermons from this time (Augustine's #202, for example) that argue this way.

 

Now, again, whatever you think of the early church's reasoning, it is distinctively Christian and not in any way a syncretistic incorporation of paganism.  The idea that Christians in the fourth and fifth century were so compromised and stupid that they just thought up a way to bring a pagan celebration into the church so as to keep the nominally baptized pagans happy is a vicious lie.

 

The early church Fathers were not as dumb as we often think.  Ponder what has happened since that time. For centuries every year throughout the world the story of Jesus' incarnation and birth has been told.  And the old sun gods (Sol, Osiris, Horis, and Mithra) are forgotten.  Does anyone think that we are still commemorating these false gods?  Phooey.  Even if December 25th was a date that pagans in pre-Christian history worshiped some sun god or other, does it matter one wit?  Does it mean that we still worship them?  That Christmas is a pagan holiday?  The true Sun of Righteousness has vanquished the old, impotent gods.

 
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Post by: Lorenzo on December 23, 2009, 01:06:36 PM
Okay, but you didn't deal with all the pagan symbolism used in Christmas celebrations, especially the Christmas tree??

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This is ludicrous.  Jeremiah condemns gilded, carved images that are erected for idolatrous worship.  There is nothing here about using trees to decorate one's home during a holiday.  The prophet condemns "carved images" (pesel, 10:14).  The "axe" used by the workman (10:3) on the tree refers to an instrument to carve the wood, a chisel. Literally v. 3b says that the tree is "worked by the hands of an engraver with a tool."  Using this carving tool the worker makes an idol in the likeness of men and beasts, which is then "clothed with violet and purple" (10:9, 14).  They cannot walk or speak and have no power to do good (10:50).  Jeremiah 10 is a sarcastic indictment of pagan idolatry along the lines of Psalm 115 and Isaiah 40 and 44.  The prophet says absolutely nothing about the modern practice of using cut fir trees to decorate one's home.

Well, then, do we Christians "know why we have trees in our homes"?  Is it to worship them?  Do they ward off witches, evil spirits, and ghosts during the Christmas holidays?  I want to say, "of course not," but I suppose that there may be someone out there who brings an evergreen tree into their home in order to perform such rituals.  If so, then that person is using the tree in an idolatrous manner.

 
But there is a difference between symbolism and idolatry.  In the light of Jeremiah 10 and the danger of "carved images," it is instructive to note that God ordained all sorts of carved and embroidered images for the Tabernacle and Temple--even trees!

 
Around all the walls of the house he carved engraved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers, in the inner and outer rooms
(1 Kings 6:29).

Moreover, these carved trees are plated with gold!

He covered the two doors of olivewood with carvings of cherubim, palm trees, and open flowers. He overlaid them with gold and spread gold on the cherubim and on the palm trees
(1Kings 6.32).

If any Christian bows down to the tree, seeks advice from it, attempts to communicate with God or the devil through it, or worships it or God through it as a medium, then that Christian is an idolater.  But using a tree for such things is a far cry from the way Christmas trees function in a faithful Christian's home.  Christians decorate trees with lights and ornaments because it brings them joy and delight as they commemorate the birth of Jesus.  If you don't like it, then don't buy a tree.  But don't accuse another believer of idolatry based on the supposed pagan origin and function of Christmas trees.
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Post by: Lorenzo on December 23, 2009, 01:16:33 PM

Proverbs 6:16-19
There are six things the LORD HATES, seven that are DETESTABLE to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.

    •• There are seven things listed that God hates, that He detests.

        • Many mistakenly conclude that God is love only. But this Scripture tells us that there are things — even people! — that God hates.

        • Let’s examine ourselves to see if we are doing any of the things that God is said to hate:



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1) “HAUGHTY EYES”: “a PROUD look” —

Proverbs 11:2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.
Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

    •• Shortened by many to “Pride goes before a fall.”

        • A pastor who fell into adultery once told me: “I thought I was doing a good enough job God would overlook it.” Pride before a fall!

        • Another minister was heard to say not long before he fell into sin and disgrace: “This is the most anointed ministry on the face of the earth today.” Pride before a fall!

        • A young man said to a pastor friend of mine, “I’m having trouble with pride.” My friend succinctly and wisely replied, “Why? What do you have to be proud about?”

    •• The fast track to a fall? — Pride

        • Contrast Jesus' Beatitude: “Blessed are the poor in spirit” (Matthew 5:3).

        • God hates pride.

2) "A LYING TONGUE" —

Revelation 21:8 ...and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

    •• God hates lies.

        • Psalms 5:5b-6a ...you hate all who do wrong. [6] You destroy those who tell lies.

        • Parents, teach your kids always to speak truth.

        • Jesus: “I am...the Truth...”

        • Good relationships cannot be built without honesty.

        • Decent societies cannot survive on a foundation of falsehood and lies.

    •• God hates a lying tongue.

3) "Hands that shed INNOCENT BLOOD" —

Joel 3:19 But Egypt will be desolate, Edom a desert waste, because of violence done to the people of Judah, in whose land they shed innocent blood.

    •• God hates the shedding of innocent blood.

    • That is one of the reasons God judged Egypt.

    • Imagine the blood guilt of abortion doctors!

    • Imagine the blood guilt of the judges and politicians who allow the shedding of the blood of innocent, unborn babies!

4) "A HEART that DEVISES WICKED SCHEMES" —

Jeremiah 17:9, KJV The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    •• Jesus gave a list of sins and said that they proceed “out of the heart” (Matthew 15:19).

    •• Proverbs 4:23, KJV Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

    NIV: “Guard your heart...”

    •• God hates the heart given over to wicked schemes.

5) "Feet that are QUICK to rush INTO EVIL" —

    •• Quote #4 above, about the heart’s tendency to wickedness, has already brought up evil.

    •• The hated conduct here is the quickness to rush into evil.

Titus 2:6 Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled.

    •• Self-control is the antidote to quick falls into temptation.

        • For example, (Proverbs 29:11) “A fool gives full vent to his anger, but a wise man keeps himself under control.”

    •• God hates a swiftness to rush into evil.

6) "A FALSE WITNESS who pours out LIES" —

    •• “False witness” — violates one of the Ten Commandments.

        • God hates those who lie about other people.

        • God hates those who do harm and disservice to His system of justice.

        • I was once selected for jury duty in a trial in which the accused had allegedly been drinking alcohol. In the questioning of us potential jurors, integrity required that I had to speak up about my beliefs and preaching against alcohol. I was admittedly not impartial from the outset, and the judge rightly dismissed me from the jury selection.

    •• God hates a false witness.

        • Notice that this is a person that God hates! I’ve heard Christians say that God hates no one. That sounds noble, but it is anti-Scriptural. Here it is clearly said that “...the Lord hates ... a false witness.”

        • See below for another type of person the Lord hates.

7) "A man who STIRS UP DISSENSION among BROTHERS" —

Titus 3:10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.

    •• Another PERSON that God hates!

        • A pastor friend of mine was once counseling a very divisive person. The pastor concluded with the startling statement, “...and besides that, GOD HATES YOU.”

        • I imagine that the man he was counseling was shocked. But the Bible clearly declares that “...the Lord hates ... a man who stirs up dissension among brothers”.

        • “...a man...” — that is a person that God hates.

    •• What is a fast track to incurring God’s hatred? — be a talebearer, a gossip, a person who sows seeds of discord.

        • Contrast the Beatitude: “Blessed are the peacemakers” (Matthew 5:9).
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Post by: Lorenzo on December 24, 2009, 03:15:39 AM
A question was asked, "Is stealing a sin, and what other forms of theft/ stealing are there?"



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We break this commandment, “Thou shalt not steal,” WHEN WE COMMIT SACRILEGE, that is, when we STEAL FROM GOD. In Malachi 3:8-9, God charged Israel with this crime when He stated: “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse; for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.” You see, this is a sin laid at the door of most of the so-called Christians of our day because they have refused to financially support the maintenance of God’s cause on earth. Yes, God’s work goes begging today because church members have spent their money on pleasure—things that are not necessary and vanity; they have spent it on self rather than having honored God with the firstfruits of their increase, their tithes and offerings. My friend, are you stealing from God that which honors Him as the Giver of all things?

Listen again! IDLENESS IS A FORM OF STEALING! It is playing the part of the drone, compelling the rest of the hive to support him. This one sin is slowly but surely bringing our nation to economic ruin. All of our social give-away programs to people who are able to work but who are just plain lazy and will not work is making them thieves before God. They are stealing from the people! The Bible says, “Six days shalt thou labour” (Ex. 20:9); and again in II Thessalonians 3:10: “...if any would not work, neither should he eat .”

This is one of the most awful running sores of our government: stealing from people and giving to those who do not or will not work. This sin runs our nation deeper and deeper into deficit spending, thereby causing inflation; so they can sponsor women’s lib, killing of unborn babies and all sorts of programs that lead the people deeper and deeper into sin. And my friend, this is nothing more than the breaking of this 8th commandment: “Thou shalt not steal,” and thereby sinning against God.

I’ll go further. Our elected senators and congressmen, whether on a state or national level, are stealing from the people when they take our tax money and make thieves out of lazy people who will not work. My friend, God does not think lightly of this sin!

Brother, this goes on and on! LYING ADVERTISEMENTS break this 8th commandment. Profiteering is another form of theft, for we read in I Thess. 4:6: “That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter. “ Therefore, to make an enormous profit on a person is stealing, which brings down the wrath of God. A person becomes a thief and breaks this commandment when he borrows and does not return what is borrowed. Ps. 37:21 says: “The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again...“ Again, a man who transfers property to his wife or someone else just before he goes bankrupt is a thief in the sight of God. Also a man who has declared bankruptcy and later prospers financially but fails to pay his creditors to the full is stealing in the sight of God. Tenants steal from their landowners when they needlessly damage their property and furnishings; those who evade their income tax also break this 8th commandment. All of this brings down the wrath of God!

Another form of stealing and the breaking of this 8th commandment is GAMBLING. Did you know that billions of dollars change hands in our country every year by gambling? God calls this stealing; a man who gambles is a thief because he is obtaining money for which he has done no honest work!

Stealing is usually one of the first sins children commit: stealing in the home from father or mother, from the grocery store, or playmates in school. My little children, I warn you that this is the breaking of God’s holy law, and unless it is repented of, it will send you to hell.
The list goes on: men take tools off the job that don’t belong to them, justifying themselves by saying: “The company is big enough to afford them,” or “Other men are doing it, why shouldn’t I?” This is stealing; and brother, it is stealing when you rob your company of an honest day’s work, or when you lie about an injury to collect workman’s compensation!

Lawyers steal when they take advantage of a client and deal falsely with him. Judges steal when they award enormous amounts of money to people just because the insurance companies have the money. Then they steal from us because our insurance policies go up!

EXTORTION is another form of stealing which brings down the judgment of God: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?...nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners... (I Cor. 6:9-10). People or companies who charge high interest on loans are thieves in the sight of God because they are stealing from the people, as those who bought and sold in the temple (Matt. 21:12-13).

Those who receive stolen goods knowingly are acting as thieves before God because they are accessories to the theft. And dear friend, whether a man steals with his gun in a bank robbery or with his pen in forging a check, his stealing breaks this 8th commandment and he is under the judgment of God.

Our whole nation today is caught up in the sin of stealing by trying to get something for nothing. Our newspapers are filled with stories of white collar crimes of stealing. Our insurance rates have gone out of sight because of the plague of this sin. Prices are raised in most stores to compensate for the billions of dollars lost every year through stealing. Children are taught to steal by their parents, and our jails are filled with criminals whose crime is stealing in one form or another.

This running sore of the sin of stealing today is that which is done by so-called gospel MINISTERS WHO ROB THE PEOPLE OF THE TRUTH OF GOD’S WORD! The man who claims to be a shepherd but never feeds his people with the true Word of God is a thief and a robber, and stands guilty before God of breaking this 8th commandment. When a man preaches that salvation is by some form of works which we do, he is robbing precious souls of the truth of God’s Word, which says it is “not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost” (Titus 3:5).

When a man preaches that salvation is only by believing , leaving out repentance, he is a thief because he is robbing precious souls of the truth of God’s Word which says that unless a man repents, he will perish! (Luke 13:3,5). You see, there must be a turning to God from sin; there must be a hatred for sin as being against God; and there shall be fruits suitable for repentance, which is a changed life and walking in righteousness and true holiness.
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Post by: Lorenzo on December 24, 2009, 03:17:49 AM
Theft is Theft. Stealing is Stealing.

Either one steals money, or steals a video game, food, or a song from online by downloading things illegally, it is still THEFT!

One will say, "Oh well stealing from a store is more severe than downloading a song illegally."

WRONG!

YOU ARE SINNING! YOU ARE STEALING! YOU ARE BREAKING THE 8TH COMMANDMENT OF GOD, "THOU SHALL NOT STEAL!"

No one is free from this.

REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on January 01, 2010, 05:36:10 PM
A question was asked, "Where is Eucharistic Adoration mentioned in the bible? How is it biblically supported?"


ANSWER:

Twelve Biblical Reasons For Wanting To Spend One Hour With Jesus In The Blessed Sacrament

1. He is really there!
"I myself Am the Living Bread come down from Heaven." (Jn 6:35)

2. Day and night Jesus dwells in the Blessed Sacrament because of his Infinite love for you!
"Behold I will be with you always even to the end of the world," because "I have loved you with an everlasting love, and constant is My affection for you." (Mt 28:20; Jer 31:3)

3. The specific way that Jesus asks you to love Him in return is to spend one quiet hour with Him in the Blessed Sacrament.
"Where your treasure is, there is your heart...." "Could you not watch one hour with Me?" (Mt 6:21; 26:40)

4. When you look upon the Sacred Host, you look upon Jesus, the Son of God.
"Indeed, this is the will of My Father, that everyone who looks upon the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life. Him I will raise up on the last day." (Jn 6:40)

5. Each moment that you spend in His Eucharistic Presence will increase His Divine Life within you and deepen your personal relationship and friendship with Him.
"I have come that you may have life, and have it more abundantly." "I am the Vine and you are the branches. Whoever remains in Me and I in Him shall bear much fruit because without Me, you can do nothing." (Jn 15:5)

6. Each hour you spend with Jesus will deepen His Divine Peace in your heart.
"Come to Me all of you who are weary and find life burdensome and I will refresh you..." "Cast all of you anxieties upon the One who cares for you..." "My Peace is My Gift to you." (Mt 11:28; 5:7; Jn 14:17)

7. Jesus will give you all the Graces you need to be happy!
"The Lamb on the Throne will shepherd them. He will lead them to the springs of life-giving water." (Rev 7:17)

8. Jesus is infinitely deserving of our unceasing thanksgiving and adoration for all He has done for our salvation.
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive honor, glory and praise." (Rev. 5:12)

9. For Peace in our country!
"When My people humble themselves and seek My Presence... I will revive their land." (2Chr 7:14)

10. Each hour you spend with Jesus on earth will leave your soul everlastingly more beautiful and glorious in heaven!
"They who humble themselves shall be exalted...." "All of us, gazing on the Lord’s glory with unveiled faces, are being transformed from glory to glory into His very image." (Lk 18:14; 2Cor 3:18)

11. Jesus will bless you, your family and the whole world for this hour of faith you spend with Him in the Blessed Sacrament.
"Blessed are they who do not see and yet believe..." "Faith can move mountains..." " What is needed is trust... " "Behold I come to make all things new." (Jn 20:29; Mk 11:23; Mk 5:36; Rev 21:5)

12. Each moment you spend with Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament brings joy, pleasure, and delight to His Sacred Heart!
"My joy, My pleasure, My delight is to be with you." (Prov 8:31)


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on January 11, 2010, 11:31:34 AM
Dear Brothers and Sisters, let us talk and discuss about the best kind of topic there is in the BIBLE.

LOVE.


What is Love?
The answer is clear.


"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

--1 Corinthians 13:4-7


This is TRUE Love. The Love of Christ. Let your love for your spouse, partner, children, friends be like that of Christ's Love for You!


Blessings and Peace be with you All, my beloved.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on January 13, 2010, 09:31:02 PM
Brothers and Sisters, have you ever thought about the actions you have acted on, and pressed on others? Have your actions been hurtful? Have they been good? Were they justified? Was it out of malice ? The Lord our God tells us that our actions are implemented and manifested because of our inner heart and the condition that is within the heart.

We are told by the Lord our God to conduct ourselves appropriately and with consideration of others as well as yourself. We are told this in Sirach Chapter 7.

Heed:

'Do no evil, and evil will not overtake you. void wickedness and it will turn aside from you. Sow not in the furrows of injustice, lest you harvest it sevenfold. Do not plot to repeat a sin; not even for one will you go unpunished. Say not: "He will appreciate my many gifts; the Most High will accept my offerings."

Be not impatient in prayers, and neglect not the giving of alms. Laugh not at an embittered man; be mindful of him who exalts and humbles.

Plot no mischief against your brother, nor against your friend and companion. Delight not in telling lie after lie, for it never results in good.

----

Dear brothers and sisters, be mindful and loving in your actions. For the Lord loves the doers AND hearers of the WORD.

:)

Amen!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on January 13, 2010, 09:44:35 PM
Brothers,

Be sensible in your actions and your remuneration in regards to family and friends. We have to be mindful of our duties in family life, and not forget where we come from, the children we have, the husbands and wives we have sworn allegiance and oaths to before the Eyes of God, do not blaspheme.

Heed:

"Barter not a friend for money, nor a dear brother for the gold of Ophir,
Dismiss not a sensible wife; a gracious wife is more precious than corals.
Mistreat not a servant who faithfully serves,
nor a laborer who devotes himself to his task.
Let a wise servant be dear to you as your own self.
If you have sons, chastise them;
bend their necks from childhood.

If you have daughters, keep them chaste,
and be not indulgent to them
Giving yoru daughter in marriage ends a great task;
but give her to a worthy man.

If you have a wife, let her not seem odious to you;
but where there is ill-feelin, trust her not.

With your whole heart, honor your father;
your mother's birthpangs forget not.
Remember, of these parents youw ere born;
what can you give them for all they gave  you?

With all your soul, fear The LORD YOUR GOD,
revere his priests.
With all your strength, love YOUR CREATOR,
forsake not his ministers.
Honor God and respect his priest.
Give him his portion as you have been commanded.

To the poor man also extend your hand,
that your blessins will be complete;
Be generous to all the living, and withhold not your kindness from the dead.

Avoid not those who weep,
but mourn with those who mourn;
Neglect not to visit the sick---for these things you will be loved.

--SIRACH 7:18-35
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on February 28, 2010, 12:57:24 PM
Where is the Holy Priesthood specifically referred to by St. Peter in the Holy Bible?


Answer:

1 Peter 2: 4-5,

As you come to Him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and
precious to Him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a
spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices
acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on February 28, 2010, 01:27:57 PM
A question was asked of me, "What happens when one person dies? Do ghosts exist?"


Answer:
Scripture declares truth and answers your question in Hebrews Chapter 9, verse 27:
"And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment."


When a man or woman dies, his or her soul is judged before the judgement seat of Christ.
According to his or her faith and his or her works.
Salvation in Christ or Eternal Damnation in the Pyre that is Hell.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 01:20:35 PM
its so nice to be in this thread
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 10, 2010, 01:20:54 PM
So let's REJUVINATE this thread!


For all the new Tubag Boholers;
Have you ever felt the need to cry out to God?
Do you know why you had to?

It is indeed, biblically speaking, necessary to build and focus attention to the Lord.
In times of Struggle or in times of Success, He is there.
That is why...we must Walk humbly with Our God.


Share your experiences.
And let us talk.



Lorenzo
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 10, 2010, 01:21:35 PM

Its good to have you here, Cecil.

:)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 10, 2010, 01:23:04 PM

Bulak, I invite you again to come join us.
Let us drink coffee and talk too. :)

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: vhinz08 on March 10, 2010, 08:51:04 PM
Where can we read the word purgatory in the bible, is it true that there´s a purgatory as what the catholic claims, that the soul will go to this place to purify those who die but still imperfectly purified.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 02:15:11 AM

God Bless Your Question, Vhinz.
First let me thank you, brother, for joining our conversation and discussion.
The question that you ask was asked because the Holy Spirit,who lives within your body (as our bodies are the Temples of the Holy Spirit) directed you to this discussion to have a better / firmer grasp in the concept of Salvation and the means to Salvation. So I want to thank you for 2 things:
1. Your joining our faithful discussion here
2. Your question regarding Salvation, and specifically on the concept of Purgatory.

That said, Let us Talk. :)

But before we discuss this, let us usher a prayer for the Holy Spirit to OPEN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS to accept and be directed by His Instructions. To Understand Effectively and Faithfully: Lord, guide us our hearts and minds to bear and understand the things that we wish to learn, in faith and assurance that you will provide for our needs in this holy venture. We ask This in Your Name, Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God The Father. God The Holy Spirit open our hearts. In Jesus Name. Amen.

~~~



The Roman Catholic Church teaches us , brothers and sisters, that :
“There is a purgatory, and the souls there detained are assisted by the suffrages of the faithful, but especially by the most acceptable sacrifice of the altar” (Promulgation Council of Trent).

And it was in the Council of Trent that all Biblical passages and books were augmented and united under one book. So by authority of the Lord God that was placed in the hands of the Early Church Fathers, compiled the Holy Bible in its Complete Form. And with it, the addressing that there indeed is a state of Purgatory. By Authority and Legitimacy that the Church claims from Jesus Christ, Alone, who placed it on the shoulders of the Church by Apostolic Succession of Peter's Chair.


This dogmatic definition contains 3 points of faith that all Catholics are required to believe:

1. There is a purgatory

2. After death, souls suffer there for their sins

3. The living can extend assistance to such souls


---

There is a purgatory



Forgiveness of sin in the next – Matthew 12:32

“Under the earth” – Revelations 5:2-3; Philippians 2:10



After death, souls suffer there for their sins

“You will not come out of it till you pay the last penny” – Matthew 5:26

“Matthean Parallel” (See: Matthew 18:23-35)

“Lazarusian Incident” (See: Luke 16:19-31)

Spirits in prison – 1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6


The living can extend assistance to such souls


Restrain not grace from the dead – Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 7:37

See: Ruth 1:8

Offerings/Sacrifice for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:38-36

“And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection” (2 Maccabees 12:43, Douay-Rheims Bible).


Fasting for the for the dead

1 Samuel 31:13;

1 Chronicles 10:12

2 Samuel 1:12


Prayer for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:44-46

“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins” (2 Maccabees 12:46, Douay-Rheims Bible).


See: Nehemiah 1:4-6, cf. Nehemiah 2:5


----


Understanding Purgatory:


1. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands knowing the nature/attributes of God:

God is Holy (Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Revelations 4:8; Leviticus 11:44

God is Just (1 John 1:9; Revelations 15:3)

God is Merciful (Psalm 116, Lamentations 3:22, Psalm 103:8 )

See: Ruth 2:20

God is Love (1 John 4:8, 16)


2. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands a proper understanding of the concept of sin:


Gradation (degrees) of sin

Mortal Sin vs. Venial Sin (1 John 5:16-17, NRSV)



Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 02:17:40 AM
What Does Purgatory Really Mean?

HOPE!


It means what it has always meant: hope! The good news of the gospel was proclaimed long ago by Jesus:

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
(Luke 4:18-19).

Purgatory is the assurance that there will, in the end, be absolutely nothing to dim the mirror of our lives from reflecting the glory of God. We, who have been captive to sin for so long, will be released. Moreover, as sharers in the life of Christ, we have an extraordinary promise from him. For he tells us, "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father." (John 14:12). In other words, we not only receive grace from him, we do his works of grace with him, for we are "fellow workers" with Christ (1 Corinthians 3:9). This means (among other things) that, as he prays for us, so we can pray for one another with his power and authority. And such prayers can be made not only for the living, but for the dead as well. We can, therefore, help those in Purgatory who are still being purified, just as we can help those on earth-by our prayers and offerings of love, especially in the mass. For, as Paul tells us, "we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another" (Romans 12:5). That unity with God and with each other is not severed by death. Therefore, we can continue to pray for those who have died with the hope of Christ that our prayers will be of real help to them as we "bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). It's all there in Scripture.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: lawrence on March 11, 2010, 02:28:29 AM
Pero asa man ang purgatory ani?
Unless the God you are talking about is a God of assumptions.
Also, vhinz asked if where can we read the word "purgatory" and not where can we read the meaning or assumed to mean of the word purgatory.

(Promulgation Council of Trent).[/b]

And it was in the Council of Trent that all Biblical passages and books were augmented and united under one book. So by authority of the Lord God that was placed in the hands of the Early Church Fathers, compiled the Holy Bible in its Complete Form. And with it, the addressing that there indeed is a state of Purgatory. By Authority and Legitimacy that the Church claims from Jesus Christ, Alone, who placed it on the shoulders of the Church by Apostolic Succession of Peter's Chair.


This dogmatic definition contains 3 points of faith that all Catholics are required to believe:

1. There is a purgatory

2. After death, souls suffer there for their sins

3. The living can extend assistance to such souls


---

There is a purgatory



Forgiveness of sin in the next – Matthew 12:32

“Under the earth” – Revelations 5:2-3; Philippians 2:10



After death, souls suffer there for their sins

“You will not come out of it till you pay the last penny” – Matthew 5:26

“Matthean Parallel” (See: Matthew 18:23-35)

“Lazarusian Incident” (See: Luke 16:19-31)

Spirits in prison – 1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6


The living can extend assistance to such souls


Restrain not grace from the dead – Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 7:37

See: Ruth 1:8

Offerings/Sacrifice for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:38-36

“And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection” (2 Maccabees 12:43, Douay-Rheims Bible).


Fasting for the for the dead

1 Samuel 31:13;

1 Chronicles 10:12

2 Samuel 1:12


Prayer for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:44-46

“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins” (2 Maccabees 12:46, Douay-Rheims Bible).


See: Nehemiah 1:4-6, cf. Nehemiah 2:5


----


Understanding Purgatory:


1. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands knowing the nature/attributes of God:

God is Holy (Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Revelations 4:8; Leviticus 11:44

God is Just (1 John 1:9; Revelations 15:3)

God is Merciful (Psalm 116, Lamentations 3:22, Psalm 103:8 )

See: Ruth 2:20

God is Love (1 John 4:8, 16)


2. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands a proper understanding of the concept of sin:


Gradation (degrees) of sin

Mortal Sin vs. Venial Sin (1 John 5:16-17, NRSV)




Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 02:30:33 AM

A good question asked, Lawrence.

So you ask:

Where Is the 'word' Purgatory in the Scripture? Why Is it Not specifically mentioned?
No. Just the term "Purgatory" arose after the time of the apostles, just as the terms "Trinity", "Christianity", "Second Coming", and "Bible" did. But the idea of Purgatory was already present in the period before Jesus was born. So, for instance, we find a Jewish hero named Judas Maccabeus, about a century and a half before Jesus, praying for the dead and specifically asking they be forgiven their sins after they have died (2 Maccabees 12: 43-45). This practice, known as the "kaddish.", continues in Judaism to this day and was well-established among Jews in Jesus' own time. Likewise, we find the New Testament frequently assuming the existence of Purgatory. Jesus, during his time in the grave, is said by Peter to have "preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey" (1 Peter 3: 18-20). Similarly, Jesus teaches that certain sins (notably unforgiveness) will be liable to judgment and imprisonment in the next. But he also implies this punishment is not necessarily eternal: "Truly I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny" (Mt. 5:21-26). Such imagery fits neither heaven (where there are no prisons) nor hell (where there is neither repentance nor "getting out", and therefore no point in preaching). It does, however, fit Purgatory.

Jesus also implies the existence of Purgatory or "forgiveness in the age to come" when he tells his disciples "Whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matthew 12:32). The Church after Jesus did not, therefore, "invent" Purgatory. On the contrary, it simply repeated and clarified what Jesus and the apostles had taught them concerning the promise of hope for the afterlife.


I hope that helped.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 02:35:21 AM
Addendum,

Lawrence, one must also take into consideration that one has to be sensitive in language forms. We have to understand and accept that the compilation of scriptural work and many words and expressions were altered in its translation into English. From the original Greek.

As the original was in Greek, then translated into Latin, and then into other languages: English, French, German, etc.


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 02:44:51 AM
For all who are interested in studying Scripture, I would like you all (for Catholics, and non-catholic Christians) to note and consider the following:



For Catholics, it is important to know the following facts about the Septuagint:

1. The Apostles and New Testament writers quoted principally the Septuagint. In fact, of the three hundred and fifty Old Testament quotations found in the New Testament, about three hundred are taken directly from the Septuagint.

2. The Jews, who had universally accepted the Greek Septuagint for centuries, became alienated from it after the Christian Church in her apologetical controversy with Jewish writers pointed out the Messianic passages, which were more clearly and forcibly presented in the Greek Septuagint than in the Hebrew version.

3. Some of the New Testament writers made use of the additional books contained in the Septuagint, particularly the Book of Wisdom, which seems to be a familiar theme in St. Paul’s Epistles. The Epistle of St. James — to take another example — shows an acquaintance with the Book of Ecclesiasticus. Thus, the Apostles and New Testament writers made reference to these additional books in their preaching and writing, and thereby gave them their approval.

4. The Greek Septuagint was the only Bible text of the Old Testament that was universally read in the primitive Church both in the East and in the West. The additional books were accepted in the early Christian Church from the very beginning. The Epistle of Pope Clement, written before the end of the first century, makes use of Ecclesiasticus and Wisdom, gives an analysis of the book of Judith, and quotes from the additional sections of the book of Esther. The same is true of other early Christian writers.

5. The oldest Christian Bibles in existence today (Codex Vaticanus, dating from the first half of the fourth century; Codex Sinaiticus, dating from the fourth century, Codex Alexandrinus, belonging to the fifth century, and the Codex Ephraemi, also belonging to the fifth century) contain all the books of the Old and New Testaments, just as we find them in our Catholic Bibles today.

And if we want to know the reason why our Catholic Bibles have the very same books as the oldest biblical manuscripts in existence, we must simply look at the history of the Church founded by Christ and understand that these books of the Old Testament and the New Testament were in the possession of the Church from the very beginning. Pope Damasus in the year 382 A.D. confirmed the authentic books of Sacred Scripture, and the Council of Carthage in 397 A.D. reiterated this Canon of Sacred Scripture.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: lawrence on March 11, 2010, 02:47:37 AM

Then how would you believe in such book nga daghan naman diay na alterations?  Sa ato pa diay your reference is not acceptable based on your predicament.  Why find the hassle of understanding a book that has lots of alterations?

Maccabees is only for Bibles with deuterocanonicals and not present in all.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 02:50:23 AM

FAITH, my dear Lawrence.

:)

God Bless You.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: lawrence on March 11, 2010, 02:55:12 AM

NO.  that's what we call BLIND OBEDIENCE.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 02:57:06 AM
(In the Original Greek)

εἰμί δέ πίστις ἐλπίζω ὑπόστασις πρᾶγμα ἔλεγχος οὐ βλέπω
(Hebrews 11:1 )


(In The Original Latin)

est autem fides sperandorum substantia rerum argumentum non parentum
Hebrews 11:1


(In Cebuano Bisaya)
Karon ang pagtoo mao ang pasalig kanato sa mga butang nga atong ginapaabut, ug ang panghimatuod sa pagkaanaa sa mga butang nga dili nato makita.
Hebrews 11:1


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 03:02:03 AM

On the contrary. There is nothing 'Blind' about Faith.

Let's get back to Scripture Study.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 11, 2010, 01:22:26 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

I want to bring up to you all the beautiful Parable of the Wheat and the Tares (Weeds). Let's Read it shall we.

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;  25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.  26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.  27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’  28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’  29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.  30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but xgather the wheat into my barn.”

~~

 THE PARABLE EXPLAINED

   A. IN ANSWER TO THE DISCIPLES' REQUEST, JESUS IDENTIFIES...
      1. THE SOWER - "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man"
         a. I.e., Christ, who in His preaching went about proclaiming
            the gospel of the kingdom - cf. Mt 4:23
         b. Who is identified in Daniel's vision as one who received a
            kingdom - Dan 7:13-14
         c. Who after His ascension claimed to have received such
            authority - Re 2:26-27; 3:21
      2. THE FIELD - "The field is the world"
         a. Into which the Son of Man came to sow the seed
         b. Over which the Son of Man now exercises His authority,
            i.e., His kingship - cf. Mt 28:18; 1Pe 3:22; Re 1:5
      3. THE GOOD SEED (WHEAT) - "The good seeds are the sons of the
         kingdom"
         a. Those who gladly own Jesus as their Lord and King,
            submitting to Him freely
         b. I.e., His disciples, who observe all that He commands - cf.
            Mt 28:19-20
         c. When we compare this with "The Parable Of The Sower", we
            come up with slightly mixed metaphors...
            1) The disciples are those who constitute the "good soil",
               in which the seed has been sown (The Parable Of The
               Sower)
            2) But in The Parable Of The Wheat And Tares, the disciples
               are the "good seed" themselves
         d. Thus, when one receives the "seed" of the kingdom (the Word
            of God), they become "good seed" (a son of the kingdom)
      4. THE TARES - "The tares are the sons of the wicked one"
         a. Those later defined as they that..
            1) Offend
            2) Practice lawlessness - cf. Mt 13:41
         b. Though within the realm of the Lord's reign (for the Lord
            will later gather them out of His kingdom), they clearly
            are not submitting to the Lord's authority!
         c. Their actions reveal that they are really "sons of the
            wicked one"!
      5. THE ENEMY - "The enemy who sowed them is the devil"
         a. Who tried to tempt Christ and failed - cf. Mt 4:1-11
         b. Who now tries to destroy the efforts of Christ to save
            souls and enlarge the influence of His kingly rule
      6. THE HARVEST - "The harvest is the end of the age"
         a. That "age" in which...
            1) The gospel of the kingdom is being preached
            2) People who receive the gospel can become the "sons of
               the kingdom"
            -- I.e., the present gospel dispensation - cf. Col 1:13;
               Re 1:9
         b. An "age" that will end with a great "harvest", identified
            elsewhere as the glorious coming and appearance of our Lord
            - cf. Mt 26:31-32; 1Ti 6:14-15
      7. THE REAPERS - "The reapers are the angels"
         a. Angels will accompany Christ when He comes again - 2Th 1:
            7-9
         b. They will separate the wicked from among the just - cf. Mt
            13:49

B. JESUS STRESSES THE MAIN POINTS OF THE PARABLE...
      1. In verse 40...
         a. The problem of the "tares" will not be fully addressed
            until the "harvest"
         b. This is done out of consideration for the "good seed" (cf.
            Mt 13:29)
      2. In verse 41...
         a. It is at the end of the age that the Son of Man will
            finally resolve this problem
         b. With His angels He will "gather out of His kingdom all
            things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness"
            (i.e., the sons of the wicked one)
      3. In verse 42...
         a. Those so gathered out of His kingdom will properly dealt
            with!
         b. Cast into "the furnace of fire", where there will be
            "wailing and gnashing of teeth!"
      4. In verse 43...
         a. The blessedness of the "righteous" (the good seed, the sons
            of the kingdom) is described
         b. After the harvest they will "shine forth as the sun in the
            kingdom of their Father"!

[Jesus ends His explanation of the parable with the same admonition
that followed the telling of The Parable Of The Sower:

           "He who has ears to hear, let him hear" - Mt 13:9

 D. ONE MAY BE IN THE KINGDOM NOW, BUT NOT IN THE FUTURE!
      1. Note that the angels will gather certain ones "out of His
         kingdom - Mt 13:41
      2. Those ones who were "in the kingdom" are then "cast into the
         furnace" - Mt 13:42
      3. Who would these be?
         a. Those who "offend" (cause others to stumble)
            1) Against which Jesus warned His disciples - Mt 18:6-7
            2) Against which Paul warned the Christians at Corinth and
               Rome - 1Co 8:11-13; 10:31-11:1; Ro 16:17-18 (cf. 14:13,
               19-21)
         b. Those who "practice lawlessness" (do things without
            authority)
            1) Remember the warnings of Jesus and John - Mt 7:21-23;
               2Jn 9
            2) The way to avoid lawlessness is given in Col 3:17
      4. Because of the very real danger of not "entering our heavenly
         rest", we find warnings to persevere - cf. He 3:12-14; 4:1-2,
         11

E. A PLACE OF PUNISHMENT IS THE REWARD OF THE WICKED!
      1. We saw where those "that offend" and who "practice
         lawlessness" would...
         a. Be cast into the "furnace of fire"
         b. Experience "wailing and gnashing of teeth"
      2. This punishment of the wicked is a recurring theme in several
         of the parables...
         a. The Parable Of The Dragnet - cf. Mt 13:49-50
         b. The Parable Of The Unforgiving Servant - cf. Mt 18:34-35
      3. And as described in the Judgment Scene, Jesus talks of a place
         prepared for the wicked - cf. Mt 25:41, 45-46
      4. Thus a proper proclamation of the gospel of the kingdom must
         of necessity include a warning to those who do not receive the
         kingdom!
         
CONCLUSION

1. Indeed, this very parable is a warning to all not to allow
   themselves to be influenced by the wicked one!
   a. As Peter wrote, our adversary is very much seeking to destroy us!
      - 1Pe 5:8
   b. But if we can allow the word of God to abide in us, we can
      overcome the wicked one - cf. 1Jn 2:14

2. We learn from this parable, then, that the kingdom of heaven...
   a. Will spread as people become "sons of the kingdom" (by heeding
      the Son of Man)
   b. Will not preclude the efforts and influence of the devil (so
      expect to see some "tares")
   c. Though inaugurated with the Son of Man's first coming (especially
      with His ascension to the right hand of God and the outpouring of
      the Spirit on the day of Pentecost - Acts 2), the kingdom of
      heaven will not be fully culminated until...
      1) The Son of Man returns with His angels
      2) He gathers all things out of His kingdom that offend and
         practice lawlessness
      3) And delivers the kingdom to God (cf. 1Co 15:24)

3. At that time...
   a. We will have an abundant entrance "into the everlasting kingdom
      of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" - cf. 2Pe 1:11
   b. "Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of
      their Father" - Mt 13:43


"He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: lgbluer on March 12, 2010, 10:43:15 AM
thanks for the words for the day...,
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: lawrence on March 12, 2010, 11:42:23 PM

wow. this is a good study. if we can't explain, let's move on to the next topic.

by the way, is it your own understanding that is being discussed in this study or other people's understanding?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 12:19:16 AM

The Book of Maccabees was found in the earliest versions of the Holy Bible as seen in Codex Vaticanus, which was printed and compiled in the early 4th century as well as in the Septuagint, for those that do not know what the Septuagint is, it is the Bible that was written in the original Greek.

It is essential for us, Christians who read Scripture and aware of the chronology of Scripture, that the language of the day during the early Church was Greek. Greek at the time was the acceptable written form, even the Romans, who then ruled what was the Mediterranean world, utilized the Greek writing and language to communicate with the people whom they controlled; namely the region of Judea, Egypt, as well as Asia Minor; namely because Greek was the language of trade in that region of the world.

One can see this in that the Book of Corinthians, Thessalonians, which are specific books in the New Testament, which were sermoned in what was known as Corinth and Thessalonikki, which are Greek states. Much of the early gentiles that converted to Christianity due to the proliferation of the Faith by the Apostles and Disciples were inadvertently Greek, Jews, Romans, and slaves. Much of the early church were composed of Greeks, and the life and accounts of Apostle Paul implicates and illustrates this. If one reads thoroughly New Testament, one can see this.

The English Version of the New Testament, particularly the generalized ones, do not completely emphasize the message, or inadvertenly over simplify it. Let alone that the King James Version follows the implementation of Martin Luther and removed over 7 books of the Original Holy Bible. That is why one cannot find the Book of Maccabees in Protestant Versions. Martin Luther removed these books because they legitimized the Catholic Authority and if he kept it, it would have undermined the cause to split form Ecclesiastia Catholica. So, he removed it. Even specific verses in The Book of James that stress the notion of Good Works and Salvation. As Christians and as Bible Reading Christians, we have to know the full message of The Gospel of Christ. If we limit ourselves by reading an oversimplified version, then Truth is limited and hampered.  Namely because these books solidify and defend the institutions of the Sacraments and the Catholic Doctrine of the existence of Purgatory.

This is why when I study the Holy Bible, I read from the Original Holy Bible. The Roman Catholic Bible. The Complete Form.
I Highly Emphazie the importance of reading a CATHOLIC BIBLE. The COMPLETE Form. The TRUTH.

I answered the question you had, as well as tried my best to point out the specific biblical passages that supports the Catholic Church's Doctrine of the existence of Purgatory. It is given to you. It is given to all of us.

It is only emphasized that we be aware of the original translation and be sensitive to the different wordings in proliferation gand spreading the Word of God. Because in my opinion, just because there are alterations in some phrases, this does not hamper the Blessed Message, which is the GOOD NEWS. The Gospel of Christ which the Church has continuoulsy defended and proliferated since its inception in Pentecost.

Discussion stands. Know that your question was answered. It is not my responsibility that you believe or not, it is merely the brotherly love that we have for one another that the Good News be Spread. As it is said.

Faith comes to those and those who are blessed to see what the eyes cannot see.
He who has ears ought to hear.


John 8:32
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 12:22:32 AM

Lawrence, your questions were answered. But if you do not believe, there is no point in discussing with you.
If you do not have faith, then there is no point.

Faith is not blind, Faith is a blessing from God.
Faith speaks when the heart is full of Blessing from the Lord God.
Faith Sees what the Eyes Cannot See.
Faith Sees and Manifests the Presence of the Holy Spirit of God.

God Bless You.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 12:38:13 AM
A State After Death of Suffering and Forgiveness: Purgatory

Some specific bible verses that point to this state.


 Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8 ) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, "be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.

Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.

1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

Phil. 2:10 - every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, on earth, and "under the earth" which is the realm of the righteous dead, or purgatory.

2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8 ). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.

Heb. 12:14 - without holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true holiness before God, and this process occurs during our lives and, if not completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory.

Heb. 12:23 - the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. They do not necessarily arrive perfect. They are made perfect after their death. But those in heaven are already perfect, and those in hell can no longer be made perfect. These spirits are in purgatory.

1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in the "prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the beatific vision.

Rev. 21:4 - God shall wipe away their tears, and there will be no mourning or pain, but only after the coming of the new heaven and the passing away of the current heaven and earth. Note the elimination of tears and pain only occurs at the end of time. But there is no morning or pain in heaven, and God will not wipe away their tears in hell. These are the souls experiencing purgatory.

Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word “unclean” comes from the Greek word “koinon” which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean, and must be purified before entering heaven. It is amazing how many Protestants do not want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of the mercy of God. If there were no purgatory, this would also likely mean no salvation for most people. God is merciful indeed.

Luke 23:43 – many Protestants argue that, because Jesus sent the good thief right to heaven, there can be no purgatory. There are several rebuttals. First, when Jesus uses the word "paradise,” He did not mean heaven. Paradise, from the Hebrew "sheol," meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but who were captive until the Lord's resurrection. Second, since there was no punctuation in the original manuscript, Jesus’ statement “I say to you today you will be with me in paradise” does not mean there was a comma after the first word “you.” This means Jesus could have said, “I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise” (meaning, Jesus could have emphasized with exclamation his statement was “today” or “now,” and that some time in the future the good thief would go to heaven). Third, even if the thief went straight to heaven, this does not prove there is no purgatory (those who are fully sanctified in this life – perhaps by a bloody and repentant death – could be ready for admission in to heaven).

Gen. 50:10; Num. 20:29; Deut. 34:8 - here are some examples of ritual prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The Jewish understanding of these practices was that the prayers freed the souls from their painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to God.

Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. Prayers for the dead are unnecessary in heaven and unnecessary in hell. These dead are in purgatory.

Zech. 9:11 - God, through the blood of His covenant, will set those free from the waterless pit, a spiritual abode of suffering which the Church calls purgatory.

2 Macc. 12:43-45 - the prayers for the dead help free them from sin and help them to the reward of heaven. Those in heaven have no sin, and those in hell can no longer be freed from sin. They are in purgatory. Luther was particularly troubled with these verses because he rejected the age-old teaching of purgatory. As a result, he removed Maccabees from the canon of the Bible.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 02:58:58 AM
This discussion of faith is quite beautiful actually. It proves to us, brothers and sisters, that we should not have to put lip service and or prove ourselves to the thoughts of men. But prove our worthiness only to the ONE who matters and not be a self seeking, self reighteous pharaiscal individual. Hypocrisy, as they say.

To God ALONE be Honor, Praise, and Majesty. To God alone should we prove ourselves to. And never, ever, to the eyes of man. For it is the LORD YOUR GOD, who has power to Save and Destroy.

~~~

Again, it is the beauty and mystery of FAITH.
Amen, my brothers and sisters. Amen!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 03:06:15 AM
The topic of Faith refers back to the Wisdom of God. Wisdom comes from God. As Faith is a gift we choose to accept that is the very essence and umbilical cord that connects us, as Christian brothers and sisters, to one another to our Sovereign King, Jesus Christ, who sits on the Right Hand of God The Father.

So let us talk more about this issue, which seems to me is quite necessary in this day of age.

FAITH

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - Hebrews 11:1

In Hebrews we are actually given the definition of what faith is. Simply put it is something that you believe in even though you can't see it. For example, we all believe that there is oxygen to breathe but none of us can see it. Or if you've ever been to camp they sometimes have campers do this trust building activity where someone closes their eyes and crosses their arms and falls backwards and their friends catch them. They can't see your friends but they have faith that you'll catch them. Like I said in the opening having faith in God is the same way, you can't see him but you believe that he exists.

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. - James 1: 5,6

James Chapter 1 reveals something that I don't think many people know. God says that when we ask him something he will tell us what we should do but only if we have faith that he will answer. If we go before God with a question and we're not sure if he's really going to answer but we thought we'd ask anyway, then you're not going to get your answer. So next time you ask God for wisdom about something, believe that he is going to answer and he will.

Let children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these. - Matthew 19:14

Faith is the key to any Christian's salvation. Christians can't spend eternal life with God if they don't have it. Christians should always have faith in God. I know it sounds simple, too simple to sound possible but everything will truly be fine if we just give everything over to God.

Its the beauty and simplicity of Faith.

:)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 03:17:03 AM
Jealousy, is a vice that comes from an evil spirit. It was jealousy that prompted Satan to rebel against God. It was jealousy of God's perfect creation man that led to Satan in tempting Eve to take and eat of the Tree of Knowledge. It was jealousy that led Cain to kill Abel. It was jealousy that led the brothers of Joseph to sell him into bondage into Egypt, despite the righteous innocence of Joseph. Jealousy is a vice and a sin that is propagated by the Father of Lies, Satan.

Let us talk about the issue of Jealousy and how Scripture defines it. And how we, as brothers and sisters in Christ, can overcome it in Jesus' Name.

----------

"What does the Bible say about jealousy?"

When we use the word “jealous,” we use it in a sense of being envious of someone who has something we do not have. This kind of jealousy is a sin and is not characteristic of a Christian; rather, it shows that we are still being controlled by our own desires (1 Corinthians 3:3). Galatians 5:26 says, “Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.”

The Bible tells us that we are to have the perfect kind of love that God has for us. “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.” (1 Corinthians 13:4-5). The more we focus on ourselves and our own desires, the less we are able to focus on God. When we harden our hearts to the truth, we cannot turn to Jesus and allow Him to heal us (Matthew 13:15). But when we allow the Holy Spirit to control us, He will produce in us the fruit of our salvation, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).

Being jealous indicates that we are not satisfied with what God has given us. The Bible tells us to be content with what we have, for God will never fail or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). In order to combat jealousy, we need to become more like Jesus and less like ourselves. We can get to know Him through Bible study, prayer, and fellowship with mature believers. As we learn how to serve others instead of ourselves, our hearts will begin to change. “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will” (Romans 12:2).
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 03:25:30 AM
Now that we have talked about FAITH, brothers and sisters, we should also defend the FAITH that we have and so love!

One did ask, "Does the Bible / Scripture call us to defend the Faith?"

Lets see what the bible has to say:

The classic verse promoting apologetics (the defense of the Christian faith) is 1 Peter 3:15, which basically says that believers are to make a defense "for the hope that you have." The only way to do this effectively is to study the reasons for why we believe what we believe. This will prepare us to "demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ,” as Paul said we should (2 Corinthians 10:5). Paul practiced what he preached; in fact, doing apologetics was his regular activity (Philippians 1:7). He refers to apologetics as an aspect of his mission in the same passage (v.16). He also made apologetics a requirement for church leadership in Titus 1:9. Jude, an apostle of Jesus, wrote that "although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (v.3).

Where did the apostles get these ideas? From the Master Himself. Jesus was His own apologetic as He stated time and again that we should believe in Him because of the evidence He provided for what He taught (John 2:23; 10:25; 10:38; 14:29). In fact, the whole Bible is full of miracles specifically being done by God to confirm what He wanted us to believe (Exodus 4:1-8; 1Kings 18:36-39; Acts 2:22-43; Hebrews 2:3-4; 2 Corinthians 12:12). People rightly refuse to believe something without evidence. Since God created humans as rational beings, we should not be surprised when He expects us to live rationally. As Norman Geisler says, “This does not mean there is no room for faith. But God wants us to take a step of faith in the light of evidence, rather than to leap in the dark.”

Those who oppose these clear biblical teachings and examples may say things like “the Word of God does not need to be defended!” But which of the world’s writings are the word of God? As soon as someone answers that, he is doing apologetics. (How well he does it might be another story!) Some claim that human reason cannot tell us anything about God—but isn’t that a "reasonable" statement about God? If not, then there is no reason to believe it, and if so, then they have contradicted themselves. A favorite saying is, “If someone can talk you into Christianity, then someone else can talk you out.” Why is this a problem? Did not Paul himself give a criterion by which Christianity should be accepted or rejected in 1 Corinthians 15? It is only misplaced piety that answers in the negative.

Now, none of this is to say that bare apologetics, free from the influence of the Holy Spirit, can bring someone to saving faith. This creates a false dilemma in the minds of many. But it does not have to be “Sprit vs. Logic.” Why not both? We must not confuse the fact that the Holy Spirit is required to move one into a position of belief with how He accomplishes this feat. With some people God uses trials; in others it is an emotional experience; in others it is through reason. God can use whatever means He wants. We, however, are commanded to use apologetics in as many or more places as we are told to preach the gospel. How is it then that all churches affirm the latter but so many ignore the former?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 13, 2010, 03:35:45 AM
What is wrong with this thread???

you only discusses the issues in your taste! i dont think that is an essence of a good teacher!!!!!


how can you convince people to believe in what you say when they see what you are doing?


you can't give what you don't have.


James 2:20, "...that faith without works is dead."


Im sorry, this site is no longer a FORUM!
:-\
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 03:38:27 AM
I will now begin a reading of The Bible, from Old Testament to the New Testament.
This will probably take couple of months even years to complete, but I would like to share with all of you,
and perhaps we all can take a message or two and even contribute to the Study of Scripture.
So do join me  in the reading. We start from the beginning and will continue till the end of the New Testament.
Points and key issues will be addressed regarding the reading, which should be done on daily basis.
Let us continue to Study the WORD of GOD.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 03:44:41 AM
What is wrong with this thread???

you only discusses the issues in your taste! i dont think that is an essence of a good teacher!!!!!


how can you convince people to believe in what you say when they see what you are doing?


you can't give what you don't have.


James 2:20, "...that faith without works is dead."


Im sorry, this site is no longer a FORUM![/size] :-\

We will discuss issues pertaining to the Bible. And the study of Scripture. This will not include personal issues or personal matters that does not involve Scripture but only to attack one's faith. This thread is for the means of studying the Word of God. From Old Testament to New Testament. Thank You.

Let us keep this purely Biblical. There are other threads that can be used to channel personal. This is For Biblical Study.
Since it was created 2 years ago. Thank You.

And we are not all perfect teachers. We do what we can with the means that we have. We all must humbly walk with our GOD even if others do not agree. Let them. But this thread will remain purely a BIBLE STUDY.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 13, 2010, 03:50:12 AM
perfect teachers.[/b] We do what we can with the means that we have. We all must humbly walk with our GOD even if others do not agree. Let them. But this thread will remain purely a BIBLE STUDY.

Thank You.


So we should listen to our STUDENTS!

Dili naman ni bible study oi!

mura naman ni ug kadtong mga suicide bombers nga lugoson ug pa tuo ang mga tawo...

there is nothing wrong with this study but you have to listen too.

It feels life we are in a HAMAS here. ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 04:00:18 AM
We will now begin reading the Book of Genesis.
I invite all of you to read. We begin today on Friday and will end next Friday by starting the Book of Exodus.

The first passage of Genesis:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Then God said,"Let there be light." And there was Light.
{Genesis 1:1-3}

Genesis continues throughout about the creation of the World. What are your views on this? (refer to chapter 1 and 2)


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 04:04:40 AM

If you would like to talk about bible scripture, you are more than welcome to include your views. We're now discussing Genesis. Your comparison of Bible Study to Hamas is unfair and libelous. Where do we condone the death and destruction of innocent peoples? Or the bombing of innocent peoples. This thread was started to share the Word of God. Not plan for the destruction and deaths of innocent peoples. No one is forcing a view on anyone. No one is forcing you to read this. If you do not want to take part, don't take part.



Sincerely and Honestly,
Lorenzo
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Brownman on March 13, 2010, 04:38:16 AM
Peace to all my brothers and sisters, All God wants to see is Peace On Earth and If people felt better about themselves and if they got rid of the everyday stresses of life and stopped fighting about things, then we could all find more balance and harmony.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Brownman on March 13, 2010, 04:42:58 AM
"For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another."

John 3:11

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: simplylee on March 13, 2010, 05:13:19 AM
Faith comes from hearing and hearing by the Word of GOD, therefore we can not have faith without the Word of GOD which is in our stream of consciousness that will result in good deeds.
what we need to do is daily intake of bible doctrine, a classroom type of learning or listening to a recorded teaching.
nobody became a professional just by reading, learning about GOD or the Word of GOD needs to have a teacher who has the gift of teaching (given by the HOLY SPIRIT)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 13, 2010, 05:50:22 AM
Sorry, I just stumbled into this thread. May I ask a few questions?

1. What does the title of this thread mean? When it says "Tubag Bohol Version", does it speak for a) all Tubag Bohol members, b) all administrators, or c) the thread starter? Whose version is it, really?

2. What is the objective of Tubag Bohol? Is it supposed to be a pulpit for doctrinal spoon-feeding, or a forum of ideas that entertains diverse points of view?

3. Where do we draw the line between what belongs in a topic and what doesn't? Should one be considered out of topic simply for presenting an earnest intervention to a runaway prattle?

I invite all readers to share their ideas on the above questions. I hope these questions will be answered and not deleted for being adjudged as out of topic. Thank you.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 06:33:33 AM

This is what we were told in our Collegiate Bible Study, that wherever there is teaching the Word of God, the power of the devil, who cannot help but to question the faith of the elect, and to plant seeds of doubt, corrosive division and proliferation of discordance of the faithful. It is in these times that the brother and sister in CHRIST should roar in defense of the faith.

We are all students and learners of the faith. And it is indeed helpful as well as effective if read scripture daily. And to talk with similar individual of the faith. It is unproductive to even take issues that are antagonistic to the faith. As it is an attempt of the devil (who hides in sheeps clothings) to try to question and stumble the faithful.

It is the ancient enemy of THE LORD.

And we, brothers and sisters, must put on the armor of God when we battle the devil. In all of his forms. In all of his tactics.

THE GOOD NEWS must not be silenced. And it is the will of the Father, that the GOSPEL OF CHRIST be shared to ALL THE WORLD.


GLORY, HONOR AND PRAISE BE TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
THE SALVATION OF THE WORLD!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 06:38:35 AM

Amen, brother. Yes, indeed, we are told to find peace with our brothers and sisters. But at the same time, we are told to defend the faith and to not be afraid when our faith is questioned. For the LORD is our STRENGTH.

Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armour of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armour of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled round your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Ephesians 6:10-17
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 06:50:32 AM
Let us get back to the business of studying the WORD of GOD.


Let us get back to Genesis Chapter 1 and 2.


1 John 5:4-5   For every child of God overcomes the world; and the victorious principle which has overcome the world is our faith. Who but the man that believes that Jesus is the Son of God overcomes the world?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Scarb on March 13, 2010, 06:53:48 AM
1 Corinthians 10:13 (NIV)
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 13, 2010, 06:55:29 AM

How about the temptation to dominate the rest of creation? ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 06:58:09 AM

God Bless You, Ate Blue.


~~

I will now begin a reading of The Bible, from Old Testament to the New Testament.
This will probably take couple of months even years to complete, but I would like to share with all of you,
and perhaps we all can take a message or two and even contribute to the Study of Scripture.
So do join me  in the reading. We start from the beginning and will continue till the end of the New Testament.
Points and key issues will be addressed regarding the reading, which should be done on daily basis.
Let us continue to Study the WORD of GOD.


I invite you all to a strict regimen in studying the Word of God.
Thank You.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 06:59:43 AM

Thank you for bearing the glad tidings, Ate Blue!

As it is said, blessed are they who bring glad tidings of the Lord!


Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"

:)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 07:03:47 AM
Everything in the Word of God is flawless.

Hark! It is flawless. It is purified by the Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 30:5, "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him."
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Scarb on March 13, 2010, 07:17:12 AM
Variant translations or interpretations of certain debatable passages,
or possible textual emendations (i.e. alterations of the original Hebrew or Greek)
 is for us non-depth Theologian inadequate,and I'm not sure where it should go? sowe po...

 Note: just a morsel from me  ;)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Scarb on March 13, 2010, 07:19:14 AM

 doncha wori, d'Angel will come unto jah and guide them to d'cliff - peace jokes ajehehehe
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 13, 2010, 07:32:05 AM

 I hope and pray that I will be there when it happens--and maybe I can suggest which cliff? ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 13, 2010, 07:40:12 AM

In essence, certain excerpts that we may have difficulty in understanding, should not hamper the Core Message of the Gospel Of Christ.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 13, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
yeah.  i'm curious too because there seems to be someone who wants to dominate the rest of creation.  lawrence, where are you?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 13, 2010, 07:46:48 PM
the devil can quote the bible too.  peace, brothers and sisters.  bless you.  (p.s. i wonder why lawrence is suddenly silent?)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 13, 2010, 08:11:45 PM
Kinsa kaha diay ni si Lawrence? Magduda man pud ta aning pangalana... ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 13, 2010, 08:19:11 PM

Bwahaha, wais nis Ms. Isle kay wa mo-quote sa Bible. Na hala, ako na lang:

Matthew 4:5-6 (King James Version)

Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 13, 2010, 09:52:20 PM
o, sige, mo-quote na ko, doblehon pa:

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. (Matthew, 7:5)

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. (Matthew, 7:6)


tagsa-tagsa na lang ta ug hunahuna kung kinsa o unsa ang pearls ug kinsa o unsa ang swine, tubag bohol version.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: simplylee on March 13, 2010, 10:01:40 PM
 AMEN to this!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 14, 2010, 09:08:00 AM
Let us get back to the business of Studying Scripture.


We left of on the study of Genesis.
The basis of Genesis includes the following:

The beginning of human history (1:1—11:25)

God creates the universe and all living things (1:1—2:25)
Sin in Eden (3:1—4:16)
The first generations of human beings (4:17—5:32)
Noah and his descendants (6:1—11:25)
The beginning of God’s people, Israel (11:26—50:26)


Abraham, Sarah, and Isaac (11:26—23:20)
Isaac and his family (24:1—28:9)
Jacob and Esau and their families (28:10—36:43)
The story of Jacob’s son, Joseph (37:1—50:26)


Question for the topic on Readings of Genesis:

Here are some questions for all to think and ponder on and answer.

 How does the Bible’s description of creation fit with modern theories
about how the world began? Do you see any conflicts between the
two? Why or why not?

Why did God send a flood to destroy the earth and its people? (6:4-
7,11-13) Why was Noah chosen to build the boat? What promise did
God make to Noah after the floodwaters went down? (8:21; 9:9-11)
What do you make of the existence of a flood story in the writings of a
number of ancient peoples?

What is your overall impression of the first eleven chapters of
GENESIS? How would you describe the purpose of GENESIS so far?




Lorenzo.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 14, 2010, 09:17:18 AM
Vhinz08 Asked:


His question was addressed with the following answer:
(Promulgation Council of Trent).[/b]

And it was in the Council of Trent that all Biblical passages and books were augmented and united under one book. So by authority of the Lord God that was placed in the hands of the Early Church Fathers, compiled the Holy Bible in its Complete Form. And with it, the addressing that there indeed is a state of Purgatory. By Authority and Legitimacy that the Church claims from Jesus Christ, Alone, who placed it on the shoulders of the Church by Apostolic Succession of Peter's Chair.


This dogmatic definition contains 3 points of faith that all Catholics are required to believe:

1. There is a purgatory

2. After death, souls suffer there for their sins

3. The living can extend assistance to such souls


---

There is a purgatory



Forgiveness of sin in the next – Matthew 12:32

“Under the earth” – Revelations 5:2-3; Philippians 2:10



After death, souls suffer there for their sins

“You will not come out of it till you pay the last penny” – Matthew 5:26

“Matthean Parallel” (See: Matthew 18:23-35)

“Lazarusian Incident” (See: Luke 16:19-31)

Spirits in prison – 1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6


The living can extend assistance to such souls


Restrain not grace from the dead – Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 7:37

See: Ruth 1:8

Offerings/Sacrifice for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:38-36

“And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection” (2 Maccabees 12:43, Douay-Rheims Bible).


Fasting for the for the dead

1 Samuel 31:13;

1 Chronicles 10:12

2 Samuel 1:12


Prayer for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:44-46

“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins” (2 Maccabees 12:46, Douay-Rheims Bible).


See: Nehemiah 1:4-6, cf. Nehemiah 2:5


----


Understanding Purgatory:


1. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands knowing the nature/attributes of God:

God is Holy (Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Revelations 4:8; Leviticus 11:44

God is Just (1 John 1:9; Revelations 15:3)

God is Merciful (Psalm 116, Lamentations 3:22, Psalm 103:8 )

See: Ruth 2:20

God is Love (1 John 4:8, 16)


2. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands a proper understanding of the concept of sin:


Gradation (degrees) of sin

Mortal Sin vs. Venial Sin (1 John 5:16-17, NRSV)




What Does Purgatory Really Mean?
[/i]
HOPE!


It means what it has always meant: hope! The good news of the gospel was proclaimed long ago by Jesus:

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
(Luke 4:18-19).

Purgatory is the assurance that there will, in the end, be absolutely nothing to dim the mirror of our lives from reflecting the glory of God. We, who have been captive to sin for so long, will be released. Moreover, as sharers in the life of Christ, we have an extraordinary promise from him. For he tells us, "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father." (John 14:12). In other words, we not only receive grace from him, we do his works of grace with him, for we are "fellow workers" with Christ (1 Corinthians 3:9). This means (among other things) that, as he prays for us, so we can pray for one another with his power and authority. And such prayers can be made not only for the living, but for the dead as well. We can, therefore, help those in Purgatory who are still being purified, just as we can help those on earth-by our prayers and offerings of love, especially in the mass. For, as Paul tells us, "we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another" (Romans 12:5). That unity with God and with each other is not severed by death. Therefore, we can continue to pray for those who have died with the hope of Christ that our prayers will be of real help to them as we "bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). It's all there in Scripture.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 14, 2010, 09:53:04 AM
Brothers and Sisters, be active in your daily Biblical Readings.

I would like to share with all of you readers of Scripture to what Mary Elizabeth Sperry wrote concerning this issue.

Listed here are 10 points for fruitful Scripture reading.

Bible reading is for Catholics. The Church encourages Catholics to make reading the Bible part of their daily prayer lives. Reading these inspired words, people grow deeper in their relationship with God and come to understand their place in the community God has called them to in himself.

Prayer is the beginning and the end. Reading the Bible is not like reading a novel or a history book. It should begin with a prayer asking the Holy Spirit to open our hearts and minds to the Word of God. Scripture reading should end with a prayer that this Word will bear fruit in our lives, helping us to become holier and more faithful people.

Get the whole story! When selecting a Bible, look for a Catholic edition. A Catholic edition will include the Church's complete list of sacred books along with introductions and notes for understanding the text. A Catholic edition will have an imprimatur notice on the back of the title page. An imprimatur indicates that the book is free of errors in Catholic doctrine.

The Bible isn't a book. It's a library. The Bible is a collection of 73 books written over the course of many centuries. The books include royal history, prophecy, poetry, challenging letters to struggling new faith communities, and believers' accounts of the preaching and passion of Jesus. Knowing the genre of the book you are reading will help you understand the literary tools the author is using and the meaning the author is trying to convey.

Know what the Bible is – and what it isn't. The Bible is the story of God's relationship with the people he has called to himself. It is not intended to be read as history text, a science book, or a political manifesto. In the Bible, God teaches us the truths that we need for the sake of our salvation.

The sum is greater than the parts. Read the Bible in context. What happens before and after – even in other books – helps us to understand the true meaning of the text.

The Old relates to the New. The Old Testament and the New Testament shed light on each other. While we read the Old Testament in light of the death and resurrection of Jesus, it has its own value as well. Together, these testaments help us to understand God's plan for human beings.

You do not read alone. By reading and reflecting on Sacred Scripture, Catholics join those faithful men and women who have taken God's Word to heart and put it into practice in their lives. We read the Bible within the tradition of the Church to benefit from the holiness and wisdom of all the faithful.

What is God saying to me? The Bible is not addressed only to long-dead people in a faraway land. It is addressed to each of us in our own unique situations. When we read, we need to understand what the text says and how the faithful have understood its meaning in the past. In light of this understanding, we then ask: What is God saying to me?

Reading isn't enough. If Scripture remains just words on a page, our work is not done. We need to meditate on the message and put it into action in our lives. Only then can the word be "living and effective."(Hebrews 4:12).

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 02:20:54 PM


Lawrence was banned by Lorenzo since Lorenzo can't answer Lawrence's questions and even erased his posts just for Himself (Lorenzo) to look good.

Lawrence was banned with a reason: Blasphemy to God. Which I believe wasnt.  Lawrence was only asking Lorenzo about some inquiry about God and Faith which is in fact the main thought of this topic.

Now how can we justify if everything is already erased???
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 02:30:13 PM
Blasphemy to God[/b]. Which I believe wasnt.  Lawrence was only asking Lorenzo about some inquiry about God and Faith which is in fact the main thought of this topic.

Now how can we justify if everything is already erased???

Oh, my God! Torquemada lives again!  :'(
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 02:33:18 PM
And this is supposed to be a Bible study? Looks like a school for hypocrisy!  >:(
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: bugsay on March 14, 2010, 02:34:39 PM

ugghhh...gi one-two punch combo diay si Lawrence.... ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 02:35:49 PM


this post will be gone tomorrow so do we, Hubs! lol!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: bugsay on March 14, 2010, 02:37:04 PM

Bible study?...hmmmm leave it to the scholars... ???

Bible sharing tingale...maka relate tag gamay....toink ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 02:39:38 PM



or maybe this is what is called Tubag Bohol Version...
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: bugsay on March 14, 2010, 02:41:38 PM
aw. o diay.....basin version lang sa usa ka tawo ang gikuha ani...hehehe
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 02:45:30 PM
we[/b], Hubs! lol!

Well, if I'm banned for this, so be it. I just wish to leave a question: If Hubag goes, can Tubag be far behind?

And in the meantime, I'll be enjoying my last moments here... ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 02:46:28 PM

Bwahaha, version of one creature, that is... ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 02:48:15 PM


So do I
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 14, 2010, 02:56:39 PM

Oh, my God!  I didn't join this forum to be quartered! ::)
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 02:59:59 PM

You won't be hanged, drawn, and quartered, Ms. Isle, don't worry...









You will be burned at the stake! ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 14, 2010, 03:01:05 PM
Blasphemy to God[/b]. Which I believe wasnt.  Lawrence was only asking Lorenzo about some inquiry about God and Faith which is in fact the main thought of this topic.

Now how can we justify if everything is already erased???

And I thought this forum is for expressing different thoughts and ideas and not for some members who think highly of themselves as authorities on everything.  Ugh!  So who decides who has blasphemed, or sinned? 
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 03:03:32 PM


you'll be cornered soon!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 03:04:33 PM

I will give you some bucks if you can answer that question...would u dare?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 14, 2010, 03:11:54 PM
I enjoyed reading the entries in this forum for almost a year before I decided to join.  My knowledge about how this forum operates is next to nothing.  I've some idea about banning and having one's posts erased though.  As there are more than one administrators (including the enjoyable-to-read ms da binsi), shouldn't banning or erasing be decided jointly and severally?  

It doesn't bode well for this forum's track if it evolves into some people's vehicle for a long and winding ego trip. ??? ??? ???  
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 03:16:59 PM

I sorely need the bucks, Ms. MDB, pero bisan unsaon nahog puga ahong utok, wa jud koy mahunahunaan! Kinsa jud kaha no? Dili kaha si Pacquiao? Bwahaha! ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 14, 2010, 03:17:29 PM

Then I must beg someone to shoot me first.  Being burned at the stake is slow and painful...  :'(
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 03:20:35 PM
shouldn't banning or erasing be decided jointly and severally[/b]?  

It doesn't bode well for this forum's track if it evolves into some people's vehicle for a long and winding ego trip. ??? ??? ???  


bon voyage na laman Islander! pe-peeeep!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 03:21:16 PM

...and the Inquisitor General says, "That's the idea, you reprobate!" ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 03:26:08 PM


I can surely do that with a shot of PENTOBARBITAL, Islander.

OT: have you seen the documentary about a terminally ill patient who  had an assisted suicide/ mercy killing in Switzerland? using pentobarbital? he just went to a deep sleep and never woke up. I watched the whole thing and it has changed my view of DEATH.

ill PM the title to you soon. nalimot ko sa title. I hope i could still see this post tomorrow. gotta go to bed.

goodnight.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 14, 2010, 03:28:44 PM

I'll settle for dimes by keeping quiet.  And I'll also settle for this:  Qui sine peccato est vestrum primus lapidem mittat.  And that's from the Bible.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 14, 2010, 03:38:07 PM
Goodnight too.  After Pacquiao's victory, you in the US could truly use some sleep. 

Hope you will still be around.  This forum will lose much of its interesting ideas without ms da binsi and hubag.  Too bad we can no longer hear from Lawrence. (music background, military taps, "Day Is Done") :'( :'( 
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 06:27:54 PM
Oi, nangatulog na man si Ms. MDB ug Ms. Islander. Dili ba kaha tawon to silang duha hugpaan og daman--of fire and brimstone... ;D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on March 15, 2010, 08:08:28 PM
paging ms. da binsi!  morag naay nakasulod nga pedophile sa tubagbohol.  and he's spreading his horror!  name's overiolve.  please save this forum by exorcising him! :-[ :'(
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: grazie7y on March 15, 2010, 10:57:30 PM

It's gone now, Islander. Salamat sa pag inform. Yeah, the pictures posted were so disgusting!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 12:20:27 AM
Please let us get back to the study of the Bible.

I created this thread to study the Holy Bible. Please kindly respect this request as this thread was created and started soley for the study of the Holy Bible.

Thank You.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 16, 2010, 12:25:08 AM
then lets start:


MT 23:13 "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Bambi on March 16, 2010, 12:30:30 AM
Praise the Lord!

Padayon mo sa inyong Bible sharing/lessons aron makakat-on ko. thanks
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 12:31:30 AM


Dabinsi, the reasons why some posts were deleted because some of them were personal attacks that were deviating the notion of this thread. It spiralled, and this thread has spiralled away from the original course and the reasons for it was started.

No one, especially myself, is claiming righteousness nor have I claimed to be righteous, but a sinner. That is why we study the Holy Bible, to better know ourselves and the teachings of our God.

That said, I will put all of this aside for the betterment and for the continued reading of Holy Scripture with all of you, my brothers and sisters.

That said, I will respond with a verse from Romans 3:23, 24
as we are all sinners before the Lord our God. "This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,  23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,  24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.


No one is free from sin. No one is free from hypocrisy, no one, not I, not you, not Joe Schmoe. Let that be known. What we can do is to daily read and poignantly take in the Word of God. And to share the Word of God to those who would listen.

This thread was created as a means to share that Word of God.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 12:32:34 AM

Welcome to the discussion of the HOLY WORD OF GOD, pareng Bambi. We will discuss ONLY THE HOLY BIBLE in this thread. Strictly and scripturally.


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 12:39:33 AM
We left of last time in the reading of GENESIS; namely the beauty of Genesis is that it tells us, the readers and the faithful, of how the LORD created the World. The means of Creation and how it illustrates the Wisdom and Love of the Lord Our God. And His perfect Will throughout all Creation. And HIS perfection in the creation of man, whom was created in the very image of the LORD.

Genesis 1:27 declares to us, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."

Now, to all of you readers, my beloved brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, I would like to ask a question. Perhaps most of you have learned this already through your own personal study of Scripture, perhaps you have not, then I will encourage you to read more into Genesis (as we plan to cover it this week).

The question that I will ask and open to the floor to discussion and scriptural talk is this: "How did God create man and woman? From whence did woman come from, and what was the sole reason woman was created? Did God create woman for woman's sake or did He create woman for man? What was the name of man, and what was the name of woman?"


Lorenzo.

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: ms da binsi on March 16, 2010, 02:04:30 AM
yes we all know about that creation. would you allow me to ask this question that since i learned the word, no one has answered this:

How did Adam and Eve multiplied?  lets say they have a hundred thousand children, then how did the children multipled? and i noticed that there is a big gap in the book of Genesis alone. We cant skip that very beginning because that has raised  so much questions.

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Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 02:29:19 AM

Before I start, let it be known that All Glory, Honor and Praise belongs to the Lord God.
Through Him, In Him, and For Him, all things have been made.
This study Brings Glory to the Lord.
Essential and Core to this Study is to understand better His Word.
We ask that the Lord Bless and Keep this Study Holy.
In Jesus' Name, I pray. Amen.


~

The Bible is clear. The Bible states in very plain and simple language at Genesis 5:4 that "...he (Adam) became father to sons and daughters." Notice the plural "sons" and "daughters."

 His sons, including Cain, would have married their sisters, or nieces. This would sound repulsive to us today, but consider the circumstances back then. It would have been proper at that time, since the Earth's population was relatively sparse, and the human race was to be proliferated according to God's purpose. It was only later that God made the restriction not to marry one's own sister or brother.

We trace our lineage, biblically speaking, to this essential forebear (Adam and Eve) in that genetically speaking, we are all related. Although scientists have long recognised that, despite physical differences, all human populations are genetically similar, the new work concludes that populations from different parts of the world share even more genetic similarities than previously assumed. (Note the relationship between phenotype and genotype). All humans are 99.9 per cent identical and, of that tiny 0.1 per cent difference, 94 per cent of the variation is among individuals from the same populations and only six per cent between individuals from different populations.

The heterozygosity of human populations are transferable. Genetically we are all related, some how and some where. Our ability to interbreed with one another is suggestive and indicative of Biblical Scripture on Adam and Eve.



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Post by: islander on March 16, 2010, 02:32:58 AM
gesundheit!  so why don't we ask a priest, not just any priest but a priest who specializes in bible studies, a bible scholar for this study?  how come one presumes to be the teacher here who brooks no opposition, doesn't want to be questioned, unilaterally erases entries that displease him, and reportedly bans contributors he deems have blasphemed?  he is teacher, judge, and executioner, all at once.    
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Post by: islander on March 16, 2010, 02:36:19 AM
this teacher negates the very ideals of a forum. grow up, sir.
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Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 02:40:38 AM
The diversification of plants as explained to us in the study of Ecology indicates support to the Bible's specific verse in Genesis Chapter 1 verses 11, 12.,

"Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. "


This verse in Scripture indicates to us the processes of Herbal Diversification; from the simple Shrubs, mosses, to the more diverse and complex evergreen, grass, wheat etc. Plant species diversification is supported and observed in the reading of Genesis. Since the dawn of creation, the diversification of plant species has been a constant effect; through means of species competition (allelopathy) to maintain specific reproductive measures for species continuation and inhibit competitive species.

The study of Ecology, a core Science in the field of Biology, does legitimize Biblical notion of plant growth.
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Post by: ms da binsi on March 16, 2010, 02:46:53 AM
We trace our lineage, biblically speaking, to this essential forebear (Adam and Eve) in that genetically speaking, we are all related. Although scientists have long recognised that, despite physical differences, all human populations are genetically similar, the new work concludes that populations from different parts of the world share even more genetic similarities than previously assumed. (Note the relationship between phenotype and genotype). All humans are 99.9 per cent identical and, of that tiny 0.1 per cent difference, 94 per cent of the variation is among individuals from the same populations and only six per cent between individuals from different populations.


yes that includes the apes who has 99.9999% similar to our DNA's.


as you have clarified before, biblical  does that mean let the bible answer it. so does this mean these are all your assumptions and not biblical?
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Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 02:51:56 AM

In addendum to this,

The transfer of genes from a particular population to another population and the exponentiation of that genetic trait through consanguinity (marriage of related peoples) have occured throughout history and manifests to this day in clinical presentation. This is a result of What we call in the medical field/ scientific field as "Founder Effect".

An example of this is the syndrome called: Gaucher's Syndrome or Tay Sach's Disease, which is a GM2 deficiency (Hexosiminidase A deficiency), which results in mutations in Chromosome 15 in the HEXA gene, leading and manifesting in irreperable neurological damage. This is a common disease in peoples of Ashkenazim Descent (Eastern European Jews). This is a highly devasting disease that is common in peoples of Ashkenazim descent due to founder effect; meaning that there was a high level of conanguinity between peoples and the isolation and prevention of pooling in new genes from outside regions (due to strict customs) led to genetic isolation. When Ashkenazim peoples migrated to America, or Israel, and began marrying different peoples, there were manifestations of the disease and this lead to the discovery of the mutation in the HEXA gene in chromsome 15. Which indicates that this was a recessive genetic disease.

Consanguinity is seen in isolated populations in the Indian subcontinent and in some muslim communities where it is common and tribal practice for cousins to marry cousins; as well as seen in some Dutch communities in South Africa. Where the genetic isolate has proliferated throughout time and during the gametogenesis period.

This is how genes are transferred.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 02:58:53 AM
We trace our lineage, biblically speaking, to this essential forebear (Adam and Eve) in that genetically speaking, we are all related. Although scientists have long recognised that, despite physical differences, all human populations are genetically similar, the new work concludes that populations from different parts of the world share even more genetic similarities than previously assumed. (Note the relationship between phenotype and genotype). All humans are 99.9 per cent identical and, of that tiny 0.1 per cent difference, 94 per cent of the variation is among individuals from the same populations and only six per cent between individuals from different populations.[/i]


yes that includes the apes who has 99.9999% similar to our DNA's.


as you have clarified before, biblical  does that mean let the bible answer it. so does this mean these are all your assumptions and not biblical?


All creation shares the same universal truth. Which is seen in the process of TT (transcription and translation) of genes. The processesing of RNA to DNA (and the reverse transcriptase abilities) and the transcription into proteins (mature RNA).

Humans are similar in that we all, as a species share 23 pairs of chromsomes; and when it goes through the meiotic/mitotic duplicaiton, becomes 46 pairs of sister chromatids. And then in the meiotic processes, becomes and observes the haploidy (the splitting of diploids to haploids). Thus preparing the species to undergo gametogenesis.

Humans are different from other primates in that we have 23 pairs of chromsomes. Other primates such as chimps, gorillas, orangutans have 24. Thereby implicating a complete difference if genetic variance and thus inable to proliferate. All primates have similar numbers of chromosomes.

(By you saying that chimps have 99.99% of human DNA is in err; rather what scientists and geneticists are saying is that chimps have the same replicative processes as other eukaryotes (humans, being the apex of organogenesis, shares in this due to the eukaryotic universalism of eukaryotic species). It is the same as how humans, apes, and flies share similar homeobox; meaning the universality of the Trinucleotidic base pairs. Leading to the fact that all creation shares similarity in trinucleotidic repeats; and deviation of those repeats leads to mutative manifestations. (frame shift, or deleterious repeats).

Humans, in pathological conditions may have a lacking of one chromosome or deletion of one; particularly in cases of Trisomy 21 (Down Syndrome), which manifests clinically into cardiac deficits, mental retaradation, as well as phenotypic deviation from norm; seen in the presence of simean crease, as well as increased evidence of epicanthal eye folds and susceptibility to develop leukemias and immunological sequelae.

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Post by: Lorenzo on March 16, 2010, 03:14:50 AM

However, i would also like to add, that over time, mutative damage can be cleaved due to the ability of the genetic excision base repair to make what was once a 'common genetic disorder' into a corrected form through the span of thousands of years. It is the beauty of human genetic mutation.

Short term, a mutation of a gene can lead to observable symptomatic problems. But OVER time, a subset of that original population will correct said genetic disorders and mutations of a particular chromosome.

Thus we observe the manifestation of phenotypic variance in population groups. :)
(despite overall, genotypic similarity).
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Post by: hubag bohol on March 16, 2010, 09:08:05 AM
An attempt at reaching a compromise between creationism and evolution? Hmm. This should prove very interesting...
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Post by: Chongki on March 16, 2010, 09:42:29 AM
.... this ive got to hear
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Post by: islander on March 16, 2010, 01:34:32 PM

and thanks for your quick attention, grazie7y, ms da binsi, etc.  (for a while there i thought i was going to have a heart attack.  haaaaay!)  :o
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Post by: ms da binsi on March 16, 2010, 01:38:09 PM


aw, mangadye laman sad mi Miss Isle! hahahahahhaha!
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Post by: islander on March 16, 2010, 02:00:39 PM
hahaha! ;D  at least shure ko nga naay motambayayong sa akong pagpanaw.  thanks, tubagbohol.  and thanks, ms da binsi and bai hubag, for calling me ms isle.  class, klasmets.
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Post by: ms da binsi on March 16, 2010, 03:33:48 PM


bahala unsa pa ka basta nindot jud ang Miss Isle! mo fit sa imo hairdo! hahahha!

OT; unsa gani to tawag ana imong hairdo?  puy-anan sa koto? aw shalan ba oi!
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Post by: islander on March 16, 2010, 03:45:28 PM
hehehe.  i have hair fit for karapata.  kuto bites not so damaging.  karapata, whew, morag dracula.  that's what my hair is for.  (takes six months for it to be combed again.  saves me a good number of trips to the beauty parlor, aw, beauty spa diay.) ;D
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Post by: islander on March 16, 2010, 03:48:50 PM
kana diay imong feet, ms da binsi, are those for dancing (ice dancing?  figure skating?  ballet?  tango?  lambada?) or are they for kickboxing?  just asking.  mora man god ug makawingig.  kinahanglan wa gyoy magpabuing-bu**** dinha kay, nah! :-X
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Post by: Scarb on March 16, 2010, 08:14:18 PM

"rasta" reggae look man tali na sya ♥ it..!
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Post by: Good guy on March 17, 2010, 04:43:56 AM
Naa bay Christian Church (Pastor's name or Bro., address and tel #)nga pwede akong mag-email about supporting a missionary diha sa Tagbilaran?  Thanks.
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Post by: Scarb on March 17, 2010, 07:54:26 PM
Matthew 5: 44
But I say to you, love your enemies,
  bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you,
    and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
 
45* that you may be sons of your Father in heaven;
        for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good,
              and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
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Post by: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 09:08:46 AM
hypocrites[/b]! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

Ay! La estocada!  :'(
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Post by: ms da binsi on March 18, 2010, 09:11:45 AM



 :P  :P  :P
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Post by: islander on March 18, 2010, 09:18:54 AM

Ay!  Estocada?  You mean the matador's coup de gras for the bull (or bullfrog in some other version)?  Aray, my apapangig is morag nawingig ni pakyaw!   
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Post by: ms da binsi on March 18, 2010, 09:21:24 AM


dili! kadto ra nang plastic gigamit sa mga bata ig mag costume party! hahahha!
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Post by: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 09:23:34 AM

He he, ang kalainan lang, ang coup de grass, er, gras (sorry, light-headed pa ko, bwahaha) for the bull anha sa tangkugo, while sa bullfrog, anha sa kigow! ;D
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Post by: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 09:26:19 AM

Bwahaha. Ang plastik angay lang na sa dili tinuod nga bull, or bull-bull. (Oi, lain man paminawon ning pulonga. Na hala, imbis bull, toro. Toro-toro na lang! ;D
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Post by: ms da binsi on March 18, 2010, 09:28:43 AM


katok man jud ka Hubag oi! hahahahhaha! basi ma unay ka ron ana imong estocada! naa jud ron murag bull nga nag aso aso ang ilong! nag samok2x sa ija lantay! wink hehehehe!
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Post by: islander on March 18, 2010, 12:48:41 PM

bull's eye, torokitok!  mahilig jud ka sa duha, bay hubs.  duha ba kaha tawon imong asawa?  adultery ra ba na, according to the bible. ;)
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Post by: islander on March 18, 2010, 12:53:06 PM
time sa ra gud.  adultery para ra ba na sa babaye?  kung lalaki diay, babytery o adolescentery?  mora man hinoon ug ang babaye makasala, adult pero kung ang lalaki... ahem, unsa may tawag sa inyong sala nga susama ani? 
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Post by: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 02:29:42 PM

Taym sa, kinsay nag-ingon nga minjo si Botoy? ;D
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Post by: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 02:31:43 PM

Babytery or adolescentery? Ang ahong nahibaw-an kay ang mahilig sa teen-ager (or DC), ang tawag dysentery! ;D
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Post by: islander on March 18, 2010, 07:54:31 PM

ang imong ikalimang asawa, hahahaha! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 08:05:13 PM

Ikalima? Basin nasajop kag ihap, bwahaha. ;D
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Post by: islander on March 18, 2010, 08:14:19 PM

i like that term.  sin and disease in one package.  ang saysentahon nga mo-commit ug dysentery kay type niya teenagers, angay tawgon nga cemetery.  the sin is dysentery, the person is cemetery.
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Post by: Lorenzo on March 31, 2010, 10:36:33 PM

Science, is man's attempt in trying to understand the Supreme Intelligence of Divine Providence.

No matter how much we try to comprehend and understand, we will never fully understand.

Even the scientific method, itself, by basis of standard, cannot 100% proove anything.

Merely, only debate and abate in statistical terms in the strength of its confidence interval; in defending a said theory/hypothesis.

Or nullification of said hypothesis/ theorem.





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Post by: hubag bohol on March 31, 2010, 11:15:57 PM
trying[/i] to understand the Supreme Intelligence of Divine Providence.

No matter how much we try to comprehend and understand, we will never fully understand.

Even the scientific method, itself, by basis of standard, cannot 100% proove anything.

Merely, only debate and abate in statistical terms in the strength of its confidence interval; in defending a said theory/hypothesis.

Or nullification of said hypothesis/ theorem.


Now, I can't even start to try to undertand this goobledygook.

What, for heaven's sake, is "debate and abate in statistical terms in the strength of its confidence interval"?
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Post by: Lorenzo on March 31, 2010, 11:59:40 PM
It is in reference to how members of the scientific community debate and discuss scholarly journals that follow the scientific method. Essential to scientific debate is to state a hypothesis, reasons for it established in previous scholarly work, and implementing methods and materials in substantiating the said hypothesis. When this is done, one utilizes data and graphs to indicate support for one's hypothesis. Critical to this is statistical measurements; and follow confidence intervals; namely assessing the positive correlation or negative correlation in statistical numbers. Ergo, is there positive correlation or negative correlation, is the hypothesis supported by trial and methodology or is it countered. This is where null hypothesis comes to play and its role is evident.

In the scientific scholarly community, we cannot substantially prove anything, however, we can indicate strong confidence in support of a said hypothesis by statistical numbers, graphs, tables.

It is impossible to conclusively prove something 100% because if one argues in scientific methodology, we inherently accept that there will always be the presence of human error. The very basis of scientific experimentation, and research follows the regimen of The Scientific Method is composed of the following:

Define the question
Gather information and resources (observe)
Form hypothesis
Perform experiment and collect data
Analyze data
Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
Publish results
Retest (frequently done by other scientists)


Continual retesting by the scientific community is due to the inherent human error in any experimentation; and subsequent tests utilize statistical confirmation in their data result and compare it to the results of the primordial experiment (first data) and compare it how it statistically is similar to the original data (strong confidence) or is different to the original data (weak confidence).



~~

In regards to faith, we argue based on reason, and doctrine. Science on the other hand argues based on numbers and theories and natural law.

To better understand and have a general comprehension of both sides, it is best to read into both, even, if possible, find common ground.

I like Martin Luther King Jr's opinion on said matter when he was asked about religion and its relation to science.,

"Science investigates; religion interprets. Science gives man knowledge which is power; religion gives man wisdom which is control. Science deals mainly with facts; religion deals mainly with values.

The two are not rivals. They are complementary.

Science keeps religion from sinking into the valley of crippling irrationalism and paralyzing obscurantism. Religion prevents science from falling into the marsh of obsolete materialism and moral nihilism."

~~

I agree much with King's position. In the light of recent discoveries, which adds depth to Scripture.
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Post by: hubag bohol on April 01, 2010, 12:08:39 AM

Which recent discoveries are these?
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 01, 2010, 12:26:06 AM

If you study medicine, and the biological sciences, which is the field that I am in, then one is fortunate to see the Wisdom of God in everyday occurrences, and sees His marvelous creation in play. For it is perfect. Perfection.

Genesis 1:31 , "And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. "

Indeed everything he made was good. From the organismal level to the micoscopic level that works within the organismal system. God, in his brilliance and Wisdom designed everything so that it follows the law of AA (Amino Acids), which is the primordium of proteins, which is the product of genetic translation, elongation, and eventual transcription. By this we stand to the fact that mature RNA (m-RNA) is the precursor to proteins, and proteins, my dear Hubag Bohol, is the basis for every single message and aspect of the human and organismal body.

It is proteins that compose hormones, it is proteins that make up tissues, it is protein that makes up the collagenous basis of bone matrices, muscle, dense fibers. The brain that you and I utilize that allows us to think and rationalize by the activity of our cerebral cortex, which is responsible for memory, rational thought, conscious and subconscious thought, relays this information to the midbrain, and the hypothalamus which is responsible for emitting hormones to stimulate your neuromuscular juction to release ACH (acetylcholine) which leads to the release of calcium and muscular activity, thereby focusing and harnessing your physical ability to type your fingers on the keyboard, and at the same time, in harmonious conjunciton with your cerebral thought to debate and process thoughts into words via the use of physical motor ablities.

All of which rely on the trinucleotidic base sequence, which produces amino acids, which produces proteins, which is essential for all life.

~~

And what is more beautiful is that though the body experiences genetic devation and mutation due to environmental stresses and genetic predisposition, the body has been already designed to erase and fix mutated genes via genetic excision repair, missense repair, etc.

~~

The glorious advances in molecular genetics gives to us an understanding of what God can do, and what God did do, in his Supreme Intelligence and Design.

Indeed. Everything he did and designed was good. And is Good. If there is a flaw, he designed it to be replaced inherently. If there is deviation, he desgined it so that balance will occur and that balance is his Divine Command.

We see the necessity of balance in nature, which relates to Malthusian theory, as well as in the concept of herbivory and carnivory (ecological science) and see that balance is also a law in the microscopic level. In our own bodies.

As our bodies require homeostasis to function, so does our blood. It requires hemostasis, because a devation from balance leads to damage and even irreperable repair. Such as seen in thrombosis, and plaque formation, which translates to Myocardial Infarct (Heart Attack) if it is not assessed and repaired.

Divine Law and Natural Law, have common ground.

 

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on April 01, 2010, 12:49:37 AM
"The glorious advances in molecular genetics", as you kindly explained them, support the idea that God created the universe? Hmm, there appears to be some ontological leapfrogging here... ;D
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Post by: islander on April 01, 2010, 12:52:47 AM
trying[/i] to understand the Supreme Intelligence of Divine Providence.

No matter how much we try to comprehend and understand, we will never fully understand.

Even the scientific method, itself, by basis of standard, cannot 100% proove anything.

Merely, only debate and abate in statistical terms in the strength of its confidence interval; in defending a said theory/hypothesis.

Or nullification of said hypothesis/ theorem.



it looks like bai hubag is playing european football while lorenzo is playing on the ol’ banjo.

no matter how much i try to understand lorenzo, i will never fully understand.  but I can try by calling on my friend encarta.  (i’m not a scholar like him.)

debate and abate – as the two are paired here, it must mean to ponder carefully and to lessen the pondering

statistical terms – terms of numerical value

confidence interval – as interval is a period of time between one event and the next, it is safe to assume here that that there is a lapse of time between confidence and no-confidence

theory - can run the gamut from speculation to rules and techniques

hypothesis - is a theory needing investigation

theorem - is an idea accepted as true, or a provable proposition, or formula in mathematics or logic

in english, lorenzo thus could be saying something like:  “ponder carefully and lessen the pondering of the terms of numerical value in the strength of the lapse of time between confidence and no-confidence in defending technique and speculation that needs investigation.”

or nullification of said hypothesis/theorem could mean making invalid or bringing down to zero a theory that needs investigation and a mathematical formula or an idea that is accepted as true.

how groove can proove be, oh groovy proovy.

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Post by: Lorenzo on April 01, 2010, 01:36:27 AM

In my personal belief and opinion Hubag, yes. It does. Because Genetics and Molecular Biology shows to us the ordered structure of the microscopic level as well as the organismal and the planetary level. Everything is ordered.

Who ordered it?

I leave that to the believer.

;)



In the end, its all a matter of faith. A leap of Faith.


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Post by: Lorenzo on April 01, 2010, 01:49:18 AM
debate and abate [/i] – as the two are paired here, it must mean to ponder carefully and to lessen the pondering

statistical terms – terms of numerical value

confidence interval – as interval is a period of time between one event and the next, it is safe to assume here that that there is a lapse of time between confidence and no-confidence

theory - can run the gamut from speculation to rules and techniques

hypothesis - is a theory needing investigation

theorem - is an idea accepted as true, or a provable proposition, or formula in mathematics or logic

in english, lorenzo thus could be saying something like:  “ponder carefully and lessen the pondering of the terms of numerical value in the strength of the lapse of time between confidence and no-confidence in defending technique and speculation that needs investigation.”

or nullification of said hypothesis/theorem could mean making invalid or bringing down to zero a theory that needs investigation and a mathematical formula or an idea that is accepted as true.

how groove can proove be, oh groovy proovy.



Theories and laws can be changed, as much as Aristotle's old Scientific Law that there are 3 elements: fire, air, earth.
We now today know that these are not elements, but rather, composition of chemical and biochemical properties that are composed of multiple elements and isotopes.

A medical law and treatment of sickness in the days prior to the understanding of hemostasis and cardiac cycling was the old practice of 'Bleeding'. It was widely accepted and understood by scientists, medical professors and practicing physicians/surgeons in the 16th to the 19th century. That bleeding was necessary to remove the 'poisons of the body. This was largely dismissed when the breakthroughs of anatomy and understanding of hematology was acquired. That bleeding only potentiated the weakening of the already weakened individual.

Other Natural Laws that were considered and held to be true at that particular point of time in history, were in fact proven wrong. In later epochs. Such include:

Flat Earth Hypothesis
Phlogiston Theorem
Geocentric Theory of the Universe
Arisotle's Laws of Dynamic Motion
Newton's Law of Motion (were improved upon by Einstein, esp. on relativity)

Science is really is a constant improvement.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: hubag bohol on April 01, 2010, 01:54:25 AM
leap[/i] of Faith.


Personal belief and opinion (or faith, whatever) then, not reason.

I rest my case.
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 01, 2010, 02:00:20 AM
In light of my last statement, history and scientific breakthroughs, which have built upon each other in such a way that it resembles a stratified layer of geologic rocks. Some laws are discarded, as they are proven wrong in later epochs. Which, in the basis of it, indicates to us that there really is no constancy in man made law, or in any human understanding of natural law. Because as history has indicated to us, even widely accepted scientific laws can be proven wrong. In the process of time.

But for me, and for many believers in the Word of God, His Word is flawless and is unchangeable.

Isaiah Chapter 40, Verse 8, (Old Testament)
"The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever."

and later reiterated and augmented in 1st Peter Chapter 1 verses 24-25, (New Testament)
"For All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of the Lord stands forever."And this is the word that was preached to you."


God Is So Good.
 :D
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 01, 2010, 02:01:33 AM

Correction, Faith is augmented by Reason.

Our God tells us to Reason with one another.
Just one example:

"Come now, let us reason together,"
       says the LORD.
       "Though your sins are like scarlet,
       they shall be as white as snow;
       though they are red as crimson,
       they shall be like wool.

(Isaiah 1:18)


:)
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Post by: hubag bohol on April 01, 2010, 02:10:08 AM

P.S. My dear boy, I'm afraid that your reason as showcased here is doing a great disservice to your faith. Have a nice day. :)
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Post by: Lorenzo on April 01, 2010, 02:26:27 AM
That is where you and I differ. Hebrews 13 verse 20-21 tells us that that we will be strengthened when defending the faith in Christ Jesus.
" Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,  equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us  that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen."



The Wisdom given to us that is found in the Holy Bible and is augmented in the believer's ability to trust in the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit as we read the Holy Bible is truly transformational. Wisdom that comes from The Holy Spirit will allow an understanding of of why things are, and correlate everything with knowledge of the present age. Afterall, the Holy Spirit gives us Wisdom, the product of which is knowledge.

Proverbs 9:10, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy (sacred) is understanding."


In Christ,
Lorenzo.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Scarb on April 01, 2010, 06:10:49 AM

agodoiZt whatta hotty² delicate thema whoa ! Science ug Faith man jud?

By considering the many aspects of knowing,
  expands our knowledge of the various ways of perceiving
    in finding d' truth and differences
a broad view is taken of a concise array of phenomena
   still clothed in the uniqueness of their happening, theory or logic?

Whops pass zha ko - thong-itZ ! â™  ♣ ♥   :-\
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 01, 2010, 08:39:27 AM
Blue, yes, Science and Faith.

As a man of science, and a Roman Catholic Christian, I am affirmed that Science explains God. It is a confirmation, so to say, that the Christian Faith is legitimized.

My proctor for Medical Pathology is a firm believing Christian. It shows you that science and Christian Faith can find common ground. The fact that one believes in the God does not mean that he is antagonistic to science and its processes.

On the contrary, science illustrates the magnanimity of Our God.

~~

In 1991, the medical community initiated the breakthrough Human Genome Project where we in the medical community discovered and mapped the over 3 Billion base pair human DNA sequence. This project has now been completed. Although human beings appear to be quite different from each other, the sequence of our DNA is, in reality, highly conserved. On average, 2 unrelated individuals share over 99.99% of their DNA sequences. This effectively supports the notion of a primordial Adam and Eve.

Did Mankind come and sprout from an original seed? Yes. Genetically speaking, we did. Is mankind, in essence, related to each other genetically speaking? Yes.

No one can deny this. It is an established fact in the medical / scientific community. Phenotypic variance does not mitigate genotypic conservation.



Lorenz,

Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: islander on April 02, 2010, 01:07:02 PM

where does water figure out?  these 4 elements--- fire, air, earth and water, date back to pre-socratic times. in fact, aristotle added a fifth, ether.

happy ether, er, easter! 
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 03, 2010, 10:51:48 AM
A brother asked, " What is the importance of Easter? "


Dear brother, Easter represents the rise of Christ Jesus from the dead. And His glorious resurrection.

Please read the following (and you are also encouraged to read further):

Mark 16:1-8
When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus' body. Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?"

But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away. As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.

"Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.' "

Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.


~~


Matthew 27:50-53
And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.


~

I also recommend you read: Philippians Chapter 3, Luke Chapter 24, John Chapter 20.

Happy Easter!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 21, 2010, 08:53:22 AM
I will put this on the floor for all who wish to learn more and partake in the study of the Word of God:

Who were the prophets of God, starting from the first all the way to the last. Who was the last prophet of God? And what was his role and purpose?



Let us begin!
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on April 25, 2010, 02:03:09 PM
The answer to this question:


Abraham
Asaph
Barnabas
Daniel / Book of Daniel
David
Deborah
Elijah
Elisha
Enoch
Ezekiel / Book of Ezekiel
Habakkuk / Prophecies of Habakkuk
Haggai / Book of Haggai
Hosea / Prophecies of Hosea
Isaiah / Book of Isaiah
Jeduthun
Jeremiah / Book of Jeremiah
Joel / Book of Joel
John / Book of Revelation
John the Baptist
Jonah / Book of Jonah
Joshua
Malachi / Prophecies of Malachi
Micah / Book of Micah
Miriam
Moses
Nahum / Book of Nahum
Noah
Samuel / Books of Samuel / Books of Kings
Zechariah

~~~

The last prophet was John the Baptist, who paved the way for the coming of the Mesiah, the anointed One, the Christ.

Jesus the Christ~~ Who is True God and True Man. The WORD made Flesh.
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on June 08, 2010, 12:21:20 AM

You are right, islander, Aristotle's original elements were: air, fire, earth, water and ether. And that goes back to my point, Theories and Man's Law are always changing.

What we once thought were 5 elements are now ever-changing. As of 2006, there are 117 elements; many of which are man-made elements such as Ununquadium, Meitnerium etc. And this number continues to grow/ and change.

(http://www.corrosionsource.com/handbook/periodic/periodic_table.gif)

~~

This really does bring true meaning to 1 Peter 1: 24-25,

   For all men are like grass,
   and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
   the grass withers and the flowers fall,
   but the word of the Lord stands forever."


Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on June 08, 2010, 12:32:44 AM
My question to fellow Bible Readers:





Jesus was condemned by the Sanhedrin and the Pharisees that charged The Lord with blasphemy, why did the Sanhedrin charge Him of this? What laws and what specifically did Jesus Christ of Nazareth do to be so targeted by the Sanhedrin with charges of Blasphemy?




The second question that I ask is:


How did Jesus Christ of Nazareth respond to the charges of the Sanhedrin, and what was the response of the Sanhedrin?
Title: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
Post by: Lorenzo on February 21, 2011, 04:25:05 AM
Joseph in the Gospel of Matthew – Matthew 1:18-25 | Bible Study


Observations:

    1. Fulfillment of the prophecy (Isaiah 9:6-7, Isaiah 7:14)
    2. It seems like Joseph is the chief character (primary focus) in this passage, Mary played a passive role in this passage. Luke on the other hand, goes into details about Mary and her own journey through this. (Luke 1: 26-56)
    3. The birth of Jesus, the Messiah was anything, but an ordinary event. It wasn’t quiet, peaceful time as sometimes, nativity scenes today depict. Even before, the birth of Jesus, Joseph & Mary, his parents went through a lot.


Q. What can you learn about Joseph?


    a. Joseph was righteous man.
    b. He was considerate and compassionate to Marry, his fiancee. When he heard about Mary, he decided to divorce her privately, in spite of disappointment and heart break.
    c. He was obedient to the voice of God.
    d. He must have very clear, powerful revelation from God.


http://bibleseo.com/matthew/joseph-gospel-matthew-matthew-11825-bible-study/ (http://bibleseo.com/matthew/joseph-gospel-matthew-matthew-11825-bible-study/)
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on February 21, 2011, 04:30:02 AM
Jesus Heals the Leper – Mark 1:40-45



Q. Visualize condition of the Leper.

    - Rejected by family, friends, community
    - Outcast from the community and city
    - No one would have touched him for days. If anyone touches him, he will also become unclean.
    - Leprosy is not something, you can romanticize. It is one of the most hated and rejected diseases. (Check out Jesus healing the Disabled Man at Bethesda)
    - He would need physical, social, spiritual healing.
    - His self-esteem would have been lost.
    - According to Moses’ Law, the leper has to pass through at least 14 days of ‘cleansing’ process before he can enter the city and see Jesus.


Q. What does his request say about his state of mind?

    - The leper was desperate and downcast. In Jesus, he saw his last rescue!
    - His lack of confidence in himself – “If you are willing, you can make me clean!”
    - This man would have tried everything, he could, to cure himself. But nothing could cure his decaying body.  In Jesus, he saw hope, a healer, savior who can help him out of this condition. And so he came to him kneeling and beseeching.
    - It is out of such state of mind of helplessness and self-pity, he cried out. “If you are willing, you can heal me.”
    - I believe that in the Kingdom of God, this is your qualification, when you realize that you are nothing in yourself, but a helpless person, who desperately needs a healer and Savior.


What was Jesus’ response to the leper?

    - He was moved by pity, filled with compassion.
    - He stretched out his hands and touched him! People around him would have been shocked to see that!
    - “How can he touch him? He would also be ‘unclean’.” Some might have whispered!
    - There is a reverse phenomenon here, Jesus’ touch can cleanse the ‘unclean’.
    - I believe that even Jesus’ touch would have healed his soul. For what seems like a simple gesture by Jesus, was a great expression of comfort and acknowledgment, as if Jesus is saying, “I love you and care for you despite of your wounds and disrupted body and soul.”
    - Jesus healed his body and soul.
    - I am not going to focus today on this man’s failure to follow Jesus’ warning. I guess his joy was too great to be contained to himself. His actions hindered Jesus’ public ministry.


http://bibleseo.com/mark/jesus-heals-leper-mark-14045-bible-study/ (http://bibleseo.com/mark/jesus-heals-leper-mark-14045-bible-study/)
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on February 24, 2011, 11:56:45 PM
I found this quite enlightening to read; and so I will share it with you all fellow readers and listeners. God Bless!


WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT...BRIDGING THE GENERATION GAP?

POWER IN GENERATIONAL UNITY

Although there are many aspects to the way that the glory and judgments of the Lord will be manifested on the earth in the last days, We want to address one particular issue in this article: God’s plan for restoring the generations. We understand that The Call DC is one assembly that at first was directed only to the youth of the nation to gather in Washington D.C. for a solemn day of prayer and fasting. Later, it was made a multi-generational assembly, calling for children and parents to assemble together at the nation’s capital. We are convinced that calling all the generations together was pleasing to the Spirit. God prefers to work within the scheme of many generations interacting with each other, rather than an isolated generation. One of His most revealing titles for Himself is "the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob." He is the God of many generations.

Throughout His word, the righteous declare that their purpose is to declare the glory of God to the next generation.

"Even when I am old and gray, do not forsake me, O God, till I declare your power to the next generation, your might to all who are to come" (Psalm 71:18 NIV).

"One generation shall praise thy works to another, and shall declare thy mighty acts" (Psalm 145:4 KJV).

From these, and many other scriptures, we can see clearly that each generation is called to build on the foundation left by the previous generation. Therefore, all generations are in great need of each other to complete the work that God has called His corporate Body to fulfill.

SATAN'S PLAN OF DESTRUCTION

Because of this, we can expect that there will be great generational warfare at the end of the age. Within the tribulation and chaos of this time, Satan has a plan to cause tremendous disunity and mistrust between the generations. This is already happening in the world in a greater measure than we have ever seen. Nevertheless, Satan will ultimately fail, because the Lord has already ordained that a key movement in the end times will be one of restoration among the generations!

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse" (Malachi 4:5-6 KJV).

Part of the reason this work of restoration will be so glorious, is because of the severe darkness of the times. Even as we see as fulfillment of Malachi 4:5-6, we will also the see the fulfillment of 2 Timothy 3:1-4:

"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God" (NIV).

Even as Satan is attempting to create outright warfare among the generations, the Lord is restoring unity to them, and He is beginning this work inside the church. Within our families, ministries, churches, jobs, schools, etc.; God is knitting together multi-generational teams that will fulfill various purposes for His kingdom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RESTORATION BEGINS ON A PERSONAL LEVEL

Beyond generational differences, the church also faces racial, cultural, and denominational barriers. These are never easy to cross; not if one plans to interact and live with such differences for more than a few months. Perhaps the greatest barrier within the church, is the barrier of differing views on how one should please the Lord. One would think that this would be the uniting factor within the church! For the mature in the Lord, we believe that it is. However, with prideful and immature Christians (and none of us are perfect yet), different opinions about how one should please the Lord become major issues and stumbling blocks.

Perhaps this barrier is most evident within differing generational mindsets (after all, even denominations are composed by rules and precepts drawn by previous generations). We argue over how involved Christians should be within everything from politics to punk bands. What are the limits one should keep, as they reach out to a lost and dying world? What is mere legalism masquerading as holiness? And what about true holiness that is misconstrued as legalism? How tolerant is the Lord of our cultural blind spots? What are His greatest hates? What are His greatest loves?  We know that the answers, in part, can only be found within a mix of varying generations who are willing to listen to each other. The very thing that rubs us the wrong way, is destined to separate the wheat from the chaff in our own hearts.

"I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life" (John 14:6).

As long as our goal is to know and love Jesus above all, we will grow in the simplicity of the Gospel. As the world becomes increasingly complicated, we must never forget that simplicity. He is the answer to every question. In fact, He faced these very same issues every day, and we must follow in His steps. What was His greatest example? We do not think it was that He spent time with sinners, or upset the Pharisees. It is too easy to follow that "example" only as an outlet for our rebellion, imagining that everyone who corrects us is a modern-day Pharisee.  No, the greatest example that Jesus left us, was that He was wholly dependant upon the Father to guide Him in every situation. He spoke only what He was told to speak. He did only what He was told to do. He lived in perfect obedience, not to outward rules but to the inward guidance of the Holy Spirit that rested continually upon Him and the word of God that dwelled richly within Him. In Jesus, the letter of the law and spirit of the law kissed each other. The beauty of that union has dazzled our spirits ever since.

RESTORATION INVOLVES DEATH TO OLD LOYALTIES

We believe that this restoration of the generations is part of God’s end time plan that will play a major role in silencing the Foe. We cannot arrive at this state of unity without some blood (dying to ourselves and applying the blood of Christ to our minds), sweat (it will take true effort on our part), and tears (repentance, prayer and seeking God’s face). If you are in a situation of generational conflict, take heart. If you respond correctly, you will find that God is working His character within you. He will give you power to bring reconciliation that is like nothing like the world has ever seen. This wisdom will bring healing to the nations and exalt the name of the Lord across the entire earth.

Within the confines of the church today, God is raising up many peacemakers. We all have the opportunity to be a part of this group, but the only way to do so is to die to our old loyalties. We are talking about our cultural loyalties. Are we willing to lose who we are, so that Christ may be formed in us? Most of us want just enough of Christ within us to get by, while we hold on to as much of our old identity as possible. We must die to our way, so that His life might flow through us unhindered and untainted.

Despite our personal convictions, we must also ask ourselves this question:  Am I willing to give others the grace to arrive at this place without immediately judging them for an appearance or lifestyle that is unacceptable to me? We did not gain our desire for death to our old ways merely because someone showed us a bunch of rules that we failed to keep. If that did not work for us, how can we expect it to work for others? We should rather prefer to die than to lead others to mere religion. We should want to awaken within them a passionate love for the Lord, that they will guard as their greatest treasure.

What is true holiness? We arrive at this place one step at a time. It begins when Jesus lets us catch just enough of a glimpse of His beauty, that we become dissatisfied until we know Him face-to-face and heart-to-heart! We need to come to the place that we can see that He is all we have ever wanted or needed. He truly is our source of joy. Because of that, we hate anything that comes between us. We must watch over our conscience, being careful to let none of our actions disturb it, because when our conscience is troubled, we will find a separation between ourselves and  God. This eventually becomes so painful that it drives us to do anything to be close with Him again.  Until we see that the pleasures of knowing Him are greater than anything else, we will inevitably fall back into the same old sins. Only when we are consumed in unbroken communion and passionate love for Him, will we be truly holy. And there is no way to this place, but through the death of our old self. It is impossible to know Jesus except through the cross. When we are dead to our old loyalties, all that matters to us is loving Christ, and leading others into that love.

ADMONITIONS FOR US ALL

If you are of the younger generation, it is crucial to remember these admonitions in Scripture:

"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth" (Ephesians 6:1-3 KJV).

"Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will show thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee" (Deuteronomy 32:7 KJV).

"Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation" (Hebrews 13:7).

There is wisdom in the older generation that can only be received by those whose hunger for truth has forged humility within their hearts. If all you want to do is defend your views, you are robbing yourself of great wisdom and understanding. Much of what the older generation says is for our protection and good. Let us also point out that holding to the standards of ages past does not necessarily equate with a "religious spirit." Almost always, there are very good reasons for their standards, and those who are seeking wisdom will listen with an open mind. There is nothing more foolish than a youth who thinks they have seen it all, trying to correct an elder! Like Elihu in the book of Job it is better to keep your mouth shut until it is appropriate to speak.

Those who are older must also consider that expecting instant maturity from a young Christian is contrary to the illustration that we gain from watching a human body mature in the natural.  Even so, we should diligently work to see that Christ is being formed within those the Lord has entrusted to us. Like good doctors, however, we must be certain that we are offering the right cure to those who are ailing. Similar symptoms do not always point to the same disease, and the wrong medicine can kill, rather than heal a person. We must remember that some traditions are neither good nor bad–and enforcing them in a legalistic way can be a stumbling block to children, who need the right balance between freedom and law.

"But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?" (Matthew 15:3KJV).

"And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord" (Ephesians 3:4 KJV).

ONE HOLY GENERATION

In conclusion, let us be reminded that there is actually one holy generation that God is extracting from all the ages of human history. It is clear from Scripture that the entire overcoming Body of Christ is actually the same generation, no matter what age they live in! Consider the following verse, written two thousand years ago (emphasis mine).

"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light" (1 Peter 2:9 KJV).

Psalm 24 also speaks of this same generation (emphasis mine):

"Who may ascend the hill of the Lord? Who may stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to an idol or swear by what is false. He will receive blessing from the Lord and vindication from God his Savior. Such is the generation of those who seek him, who seek your face, O God of Jacob. Lift up your heads, O you gates; be lifted up you ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in. Who is this King of glory? The Lord, strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O you gates; be lifted up you ancient doors, that the King of glory may come in. Who is this King of glory? The Lord Almighty–He is the King of glory" (NIV).

From these verses we can see that there is a spiritual generation that has nothing to do with our date of birth. It is the generation of God’s overcomers, who have been on the earth throughout human history. This generation transcends 20, 50, 500 or 3,000 years difference in natural age.

We also see from Psalm 24, that it is this spiritual generation that ushers in the "King of glory." He is being ushered in through a holy generation that has existed throughout all the ages of man. The year of our birth does not qualify or disqualify us from being a part of this generation. Rather it is the attitude of the heart. The famous verse from Joel that was quoted by Peter in Acts is specifically for both old and young people:

Acts 2:17-18 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy (KJV).

The Apostle Peter, who applied the above verse to his generation, is part of the same generation that you and I belong to. We are the generation that seeks His face.

Therefore, let us make up our minds to not view each other after the flesh, but after the life and calling of the Spirit within us. Let us deliberately mingle with other generations, yielding to the Holy Spirit as He works out the rough edges within us through this interaction. We need each other, not only to complete the Great Commission, but to complete that holy work of the Spirit that will make us humble and pliable, keeping to the straight and narrow and yet flowing with the new moves of the Spirit.

THE CALL

As the rest of the world experiences greater alienation with each other, and becomes more unrestrained, we must reach out in compassion, demonstrating the power of the Holy Spirit. O, that this work of restoration would begin within the church! The world is literally dying to see this love manifested anywhere! Once they see it, they will run to Him who is the restorer of us all.

We must live out this call right where you are. It is a truly a call for this hour, and will be manifested in the day-to-day lives of a people who want to see a sweeping move of the glory of God more than anything in the world.

Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.


http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=148 (http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=148)
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on June 25, 2011, 11:14:41 PM
Yesterday night as I was coming home from work at the hospital (i arrived home quite late at around 12 am), as I was walking home I saw a local pentecostal church open with an evening prayer session. I looked at my watch and saw that it was about 12:11 am , and was amazed that this little pentecostal church was open that late at night. I was compelled by the Holy Spirit to visit the place, and so I knocked on door of the little church (which is actually located on the 1st floor of a business plaza building). The door was opened unto me by an young African-American male, probably at the age of 20 or 21. A young fellow. To my absolute realization, the whole church congregation, no more than 12 of them inside that night's prayer session. All of them were African-American as well as African immigrants. There were little children in the church as well, and the vibrant feeling of the whole congregation really touched me, again, it was the Holy Spirit that called me to the place that night since I was feeling quite down this week. With the stresses of work, studies, and then the combined effects of also being away from my family. I have not been to Catholic Mass in a while.

I stayed there. Till 1:30. The preacher welcomed me and really really made me smile. During his preaching, he stopped and looked at me and said, "Thanks for coming home to us, brother, thank you for coming." He then came to me and embraced me. Afterwards, a woman gave me a bible and addressed the passage that the preacher was reading in his sermon. I was very touched.

The verse that the pastor reiterated was from II Chronicles. It was addressing the importance of letting God fight our battles for us. The importance in believing that doors will be opened for us. Doors in the north, the south, the east, the west, the doors in this country, the doors in our lives that have been shut. That we have to believe that God will open it for us..that we should ask it in the Name of Jesus Christ. And it will be opened. That God will increase us, despite what we have and are positioned in right now.

May we always approach the Lord Jesus Christ will the hope of His intervention in our lives. That He will fight our battles for us. That He will rescue us.

Amen.
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on June 25, 2011, 11:21:21 PM
This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

-Jeremiah 17:5
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on June 25, 2011, 11:28:02 PM

This holds truth. Man is weak, I am weak, you are weak, we all are weak by ourselves. Our lives are as small as the sands. The Power of God was the one that opened the red sea for the hebrews, raised the dead by the power of Jesus Christ. Defeated the armies of the israelites against the Assyrians, the Philistines, Canaanites and more.

Despite our positions in this earthly life, despite our 'limited' strengths, we should not rely on our strengths alone, but in the Power of God , who can literally move mountains in our lives.

Prayer:

Lord, i am foolish for thinking that i could have done everything by myself. Foolish to think that my strengths were alone enough to surmount in this life. Because i know that when difficulties arise, when temptations come, my human strength and will will falter. Empower me now, to be able to defeat the enemies in my life, the seeds of discord in my life. I trust in You. You to rescue me. You to empower me. You  to forgive me. You and You alone.

Amen.
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 01, 2011, 10:59:19 AM
Lazy people want much but get little, but those who work hard will prosper and be satisfied. 

        -Proverbs 13:4




In this verse we see that both people who are lazy and those who exert themselves have wants and needs, but only “those who work hard” will be satisfied.  Not only that, those who work had will, in fact, prosper.  Look, I know it’s not nearly as easy as being lazy, but if you want to prosper, if you want to be satisfied, it looks like you’re going to have to work hard for it.

Combine the last two verses together and you see that we should forget about being lazy and/or trying get-rich-schemes to reach our goals.  Instead, we should take a disciplined approach to our work to earn some money and work hard to be wise with that money and save and invest some of it.  Over time that will grow into some wealth that we can use to support our family and help others.

And don’t forget the significance of the final phrase in this verse – “be satisfied.”  Isn’t that what we’re all really looking for – to reach a level of satisfaction with our lives?  Some extremely wealthy people are miserable in their lives while others who seem dirt poor might be completely satisfied with theirs.  There’s more to life that how big your net worth is.

Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 16, 2011, 01:58:09 AM
Backbiting

by: Wayne Blank




The term "backbiting" refers to a form of slander that is made against someone, not to their face, but "behind their back." It's most often used for one of two reasons; the accuser lacks the moral courage (there will be no cowards in the Kingdom of God i.e. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone," Revelation 21:8) to make their accusation directly to the one that they have found fault, or because their accusation is a lie that would be readily proved so by the accused person.

True Christians are not "backbiters" because true Christians are not liars ("Thou shalt not bear false witness"), and if they ever rightfully have a problem with a fellow Christian, Jesus Christ instructed how it was to be dealt with in an open and honest way:

    "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican." (Matthew 18:15-17)



The apostle Paul encountered and warned against the same thing as David did. Paul used the Greek word, pronounced kat-al-al-os, which means a defamer, which is here translated as "backbitings":

    "For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults" (2 Corinthians 12:20 )

Paul warned against "backbitings" in the true Church of God because it causes division and falling away if not repented of. The same Greek word, kat-al-al-os, that is used to describe the backbiting in the verse quote above is also used to refer to one of the bitter fruits of apostasy i.e. "as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind":

    "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" (Romans 1:28-32)
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 16, 2011, 02:06:56 AM
Backbiting [/size]

by: Wayne Blank




The term "backbiting" refers to a form of slander that is made against someone, not to their face, but "behind their back." It's most often used for one of two reasons; the accuser lacks the moral courage (there will be no cowards in the Kingdom of God i.e. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone," Revelation 21:8) to make their accusation directly to the one that they have found fault, or because their accusation is a lie that would be readily proved so by the accused person.

True Christians are not "backbiters" because true Christians are not liars ("Thou shalt not bear false witness"), and if they ever rightfully have a problem with a fellow Christian, Jesus Christ instructed how it was to be dealt with in an open and honest way:

    "Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican." (Matthew 18:15-17)



The apostle Paul encountered and warned against the same thing as David did. Paul used the Greek word, pronounced kat-al-al-os, which means a defamer, which is here translated as "backbitings":

    "For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults" (2 Corinthians 12:20 )

Paul warned against "backbitings" in the true Church of God because it causes division and falling away if not repented of. The same Greek word, kat-al-al-os, that is used to describe the backbiting in the verse quote above is also used to refer to one of the bitter fruits of apostasy i.e. "as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind":

    "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them" (Romans 1:28-32)



On backbiting. I have been in an unfortunate situation in the past where one friend was talking about another friend, where one person was spreading false witness against a man whom I regard as a friend. The friend that was receiving the ill treatment did not deserve such treatment.

We all know how much it can be displeasing to the spirit to know that one is being talked about in a negative way. Much more if those who talk ill about us or those whom you love are doing it behind your back. The put a facade of astute kindness, but behind their smiles, is the gnashing of teeth.

I have comforted friends who were the victims of such backbiting. And it truly hurt my heart to hear that all manner of false assumptions and lies were being hurled at them. I myself also have been the victim of backbiting; cruel jokes that were uttered for their own pleasure but at my own expense and the expense of my character. How did I address this matter? Through prayer.

In cases were people say ill things about you--it is better that we not stoop down to their level, rather, if you can--learn to forgive them and to look on. But do address it, civilly as possible.

In the end, it takes true character and spirit to look away at such incessant irritations. When we are irritated and hurt, we should close our eyes and remember that Christ Jesus our Lord was crucified on the cross and suffered the ultimate shame and hurt.


God Bless!
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 18, 2011, 08:16:28 AM
Those Who Have Ears Ought To Hear


Have you ever taken part in a bible study group and come across a particular book, chapter, or verse that was unfavorable to your palate? That you disagreed with? I know I have from time to time. It is a result of our generation's own prejudices towards the Word of God.


Take for example the following verse:

"Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. "
        – Proverbs 30:5-6


Comment:

Have you ever read a Scripture that made you very uncomfortable? This shouldn’t be surprising. Because the Bible is flawless and eternal, it will challenge each generation’s prejudices and blind spots. For all of our attempts to tame or adjust it, the Scripture is above every culture. So seek refuge in His word. Our discomfort doesn’t mean that the Scripture is not true, but the assumptions that are unique to our generation are being exposed in a light that is not of this earth.


http://www.thedailybibleverse.org/ (http://www.thedailybibleverse.org/)
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 18, 2011, 09:41:38 AM
Why We Should Hear The Word Of God


The foundation for obedience begins with listening—with hearing the Word. Hearing is a protection against scarring or hardening
   -Hebrews 3: 7


Hearing is a protection against scarring and / or hardening. Scarring of the faith, hardening of the heart. It is apparent of the many antagonistic factors in the world that affect our Trust and Absolute Faith in God and in God's Word. By opening our heart and our mind to His Word, we are reminded of God's Love and of God's Plans for us in this life and in the life to come.

Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 18, 2011, 12:36:19 PM
Today I would like to focus on studying one aspect of Christian Virtue, and one that Our Lord Jesus Christ implemented actively--that is the act of Forgiveness. I stumbled on a verse in Mark Chapter 2 that made me think.


"Why does this man use such words?" they said; "He is blaspheming. Who can pardon sins but One--that is, God?"... Jesus asked them, "Which is easier?--to say to this paralytic, 'Your sins are pardoned,' or to say, 'Rise, take up your mat, and walk?' But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to pardon sins"--He turned to the paralytic, and said, "To you I say, 'Rise, take up your mat and go home."

   -Mark 2: 7-11


Sometimes, friends, the best thing to do is just to forgive and let go any past conflicts. Repay evil with good and repay offenses with good.

We are reminded this in Romans Chapter 12: 17-21 that says,

" Don't pay back a bad turn by a bad turn, to anyone. See that your public behavior is above criticism. As far as your responsibility goes, live at peace with everyone. Never take vengeance into your own hands, my dear friends: stand back and let God punish if he will. For it is written: "It is mine to avenge, I will repay," says the Lord. And it is also written: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Don't allow yourself to be overpowered by evil. Take the offensive--overpower evil with good!"


Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 18, 2011, 12:48:00 PM
That is indeed a definitive and powerful statement, "Don't allow yourself to be overpowered by evil; take the offensive-- overpower evil with good!"

In today's world this is quite interesting to hear considering the numerous instances of how people avenge murder with murder. For me, when i read this verse from Matthew, I am reminded of the transcendental message we receive from God through the Gospel. That is: focusing on --as much as possible-- on the teachings of Christ. Forgiveness is an integral part of the Gospel.

Now, admittingly, the world is antagonistic to Christ's teachings. There are instances in this world and in our lives that makes forgiveness almost next to impossible. However, I have come to realize that it is the power of the devil that instigates us to anger, hate, and malcontent. It is not of the Spirit of God for us to continue to hate and to maintain hostility. And in reflection, we know that Christ expects the best that we can give to Him. Forgiving those who -- we might view as antagonistic and hurtful to us. For it is written, "It is in forgiving that you are forgiven...." (Ephesians 4).

So , we must forgive. Forgive each other so that when we approach the altar of God in prayer, are forgiven also of our sins.

Blessings and Peace,
Lorenzo

Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 21, 2011, 04:11:25 AM
A reading of Psalm 91 , an afterword provided.


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Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 28, 2011, 04:37:58 AM
Do you believe that you, those who believe in the Resurrection on the Last Day, will be raised when Our Great God Jesus Christ comes again?

Do you believe....?
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 28, 2011, 04:39:36 AM


Jesus tells us and promises us this:


The LORD Jesus Christ said,

And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.


    -John 6:39-40
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on July 28, 2011, 01:50:08 PM
Brothers and Sisters,


Do you ever feel like life is too stressful at times? When everything is spiraling down, you feel like you're doing everything you can , however, you are getting nothing out of your hard work? I'm sure we all experience this feeling, surely, I do too.

We all hear of stories when people succumb to the stresses of life by taking their life. My beloved brothers and sisters, if we remember the pilgrim lives of Apostle Paul, Peter, Timothy, Luke, we see and hear that living and preaching the word is never an easy thing. Even the original church fathers were themselves tempted and faltered from time to time. Peter, the leader of the apostles, denied Christ 3 times before the rooster's call. Why even Apostle Paul went through challenges during his stay in Greece and in Rome. Despite these factors, the church fathers eventually kept the Word of God in Jesus Christ till the end. In fact, most of the Apostles endured a painful death while preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

They were truly convinced in this Truth. Convinced in the Divine Promise of the Resurrection of the Righteous on the Last Day.

Last night, as I was walking back from work, I walked past St. Boniface Catholic Cemetery in Chicago, Illinois. I happened to read the message on the Gate. The message , which said, "Here rest the faithful awaiting the blessed hope and glorious coming of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ," really touched me. Thousands of men and women are buried in St. Boniface Cemetery, which is a German-American cemetery. It is quite empowering and inspiring to know that these people trusted in the Christian message of Resurrection of the Righteous on the Last Day.

I was strengthened. Truly, there is a Resurrection of the Holy Dead, who wait until The Lord Jesus Christ will come again....





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Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: beyotch on August 11, 2011, 02:40:54 PM
We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 4 because we have heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and of the love you have for all God’s people— 5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel 6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace. 7 You learned it from Epaphras, our dear fellow servant,[c] who is a faithful minister of Christ on our[d] behalf, 8 and who also told us of your love in the Spirit.

 9 For this reason, since the day we heard about you, we have not stopped praying for you. We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives,[e] 10 so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, 11 being strengthened with all power according to his glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience, 12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you[f] to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
Title: Re: Let's Study The Holy Bible
Post by: Lorenzo on August 13, 2011, 02:50:43 AM
thanks for that, bey! sigi, apil diri, inday! :)
Title: What is the wages of sin?
Post by: Lorenzo on August 13, 2011, 08:15:44 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

Using the  Holy Bible as reference, what are the wages of sin?
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