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London, England (CNN) -- A UK priest has defended his comments that it is acceptable to steal from large companies.

Tim Jones, parish priest of St Lawrence and St Hilda, told his congregation in York, northern England: "My advice, as a Christian priest, is to shoplift."

Jones, who according to the church Web site previously worked in Corinth, Mississippi, made his comments about what he regarded as acceptable behavior by those in need when they were desperate.

In a transcript of his sermon published in the local newspaper, "The Press," Jones said: "I do not offer such advice because I think that stealing is a good thing, or because I think it is harmless, for it is neither.

"I would ask that they do not steal from small family businesses, but from large national businesses, knowing that the costs are ultimately passed on to the rest of us in the form of higher prices."

Jones told CNN affiliate ITN Monday that his advice was directed at those with nothing and who had exhausted all other legal avenues to survive, such as state benefits.

While it was never right to shoplift, Jones said, it was the most acceptable alternative for those in desperate need compared with prostitution, burglary or other criminal offenses.

The Web site for St Hilda's states that Jones has served as a prison chaplain and that his interests include international justice and fair trade issues.

"I would say to those people that are outraged: Compare how much you are spending on yourself this Christmas compared to how much you have given to people in desperate situations," Jones told ITN.

In his sermon Sunday Jones called on anyone planning to steal not to take more than they need for longer than they need, saying that he offered his advice with a heavy heart. He added that his advocacy of shoplifting was a "grim indictment" of society and a plea for help for the most vulnerable.

But Jones' church bosses failed to back his call. In a statement on the Web site for the Diocese of York Tuesday, Richard Seed, Archdeacon of York said: "The Church of England does not advise anyone to shoplift, or break the law in any way.

"Fr Tim Jones is raising important issues about the difficulties people face when benefits are not forthcoming, but shoplifting is not the way to overcome these difficulties.

"There are many organizations and charities working with people in need, and the Citizens' Advice Bureau is a good first place to call."



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grabe man pod na iyang tambag kinsa man siya mga motudlo ug sayop sa iyang congregation, imbis nga tudluan ug insakto, bisan dako o gamay, bisan dato o pobre imong k******n sa atubangan sa DIYOS sala gihapon kay ang pagpangawat sala man!

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OT: Hi Manay Tess, Happy Holidays to you and your family!

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Doy David,  Vrolijk kerstfeest


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ok ra nako mang shoplift if ang nagtambag ang ma priso
kung madakpan ko

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this news was featured in CNN yesterday, and in the German tabloids, majority are for it.

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Mr. Benne,

I don't think this particular Anglican Minister was spreading and illiciting the congregational faithful to commit sin, but rather sending a bleak message, given the economic hardship of the current time, to support themselves, the poor, and the small businesses that are being robbed by the rich international conglomerates.

I think the liberal news media is blowing his innocent and pure message out of proportion and already being too quick to judge his basis for giving the message.

We have to take his message symbolically and not in literally.

Help the poor brothers and sisters, support the struggling and not give it to the pockets of the modern 'tax collectors'.



In HIS Name,
Bran Lorenzo

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Demonic Dissolution inay ning paria maoy magtudlo ug tarong  evil naman nuon.How sad daghan bad priest out there.

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God Bless Everyone, the poor to the wealthy. May God grant those with excessive wealth to share their large pockets with those that are suffering and the poor, as well as May God comfort those who have very little, who are malnourished, and living in destitution. May His Love reign in our hearts. Especially during this Holy Day Season.

That we may remember that our own Savior, Jesus Christ was born humble in a manger.
That we remember that the Greatest Of Greats, the GREAT I AM was born from a poor virgin, in Bethlehem amongst animals.

God Bless~

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A question was asked of me, "Is it more severe of a sin if one steals from a store than if one downloads illegally?"

WRONG! No distinction. Theft is Theft. Stealing is Stealing.
8TH COMMANDMENT OF THE LORD STATES, "THOU SHALL NOT STEAL"

The level of the sin does not matter. It is still a sin.

THINK AND PONDER.

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Because we are all sinners and none of us is free from sin, we all should take this seriously. Kining taw mo condemn ra dali sa mga tawo nga mo kawat kai wala sila yamo ug kwarta, ma pa compassionate intawn ta nila kai sila wala man yamo. Gi ingnan man ta sa Ginoo 'Blessed are the poor'. Poverty and the severity of destition makes people who otherwise might not have done or committed this act of sin, to committing it. Some steal food because they are starving. While others, who steal from the poor in overpricing their goods, some steal by profiteeing from the poor, some steal by pork barelling, some steal by conning others into giving their money etc. Wala yamo differensya ani. Theft is theft. But compassionate man ang Ginoo sa tawo nga ning strive and trying to survive day by day with an empty stomach and a frail body intawn.

Remember when Christ was crucified on the cross?
He was crucified with 2 other men. Both of them were guilty of theft. Because the theft, and the sin was punishable by death. However, one of them, who was a thief, wanted to join Christ in paradise, showing his faith and his repentance of that sin. While the other did not.
We learn and know that Christ told the one thief who was repentant that he would be in paradise with the Lord after the day was done. This signifies to us that our Lord and God, who is a merciful savior, will pardon our sins, if we are truly repentant of it. Despite the severity of the sin. For The act of stealing was a sin mentioned in the 10 commandments, literally the 8th commandment, "THOU SHALL NOT STEAL."

Theft is Theft. Stealing is Stealing. There are hypocrites among us that are quick to condemn a brother, yet not knowing that he or she is also guilty of the same sin. Perhaps not the same kind of stealing, or manner of theft, but theft nonetheless.

That is why, do not justify yourself in pleasing man or acquiring man's approval. But do so and conduct youself in gaining the approval of the ONE whom matters most. GOD'S APPROVAL.



David, good point. Strong-minded message gi hatag nimo para nato!
GOD BLESS YOU!

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wwaaahhh namoot ko ani nga comment.. ang collection basket man gyud ang gi-target! bitaw unsa kaha pud reaction nila about this?

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I really wish his exhortation were just a badly phrased figure of speech. But he took pains to elaborate on it, and made clear that he meant it literally. When one stands on a pulpit, I think one should give a message that addresses not only poets and broad-minded people like some us (who have the intellectual latitude to assume that he probably means this or that) but also the ordinary people who may likely take such verbal flourish literally.

But the attention his message is getting does spotlight the greater need for economic justice especially in these hard economic times.


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Usahay maglisod ta asa ta molugar ani kay ug mo react ta ingnon pud ta nga quick to judge. Ang mga pari,pastor ug ubang sumusunod ni Christ magbantay man siguro ug unsay dapat iwali sa pulpit kay bisan naa ni deep meaning para sa pari nga nagsulti ,sakto ka Bene San medyo dawaton ni sa mga ordinaryong pangutok nga literal. Literal raman jud siguro ni ba.

I used to work in the mall before. Moingon mo ok ra ang mag shoplift ,kabalo ba mo kara item nga ma shoplift bayran na sa saleslady,promo girl ug ubang gitugyanan sa product ug inig inventory naay kulang? Ug nagtuo mo nga ok ra ang mag shoplift kay maoy ingon ni Padre  unya makatarunganon para niya kay ang big company bitaw ang mag suffer dili ni mao ang mag suffer ang ordinaryong saleslady ra pud or nagbantay sa product nga gikawat.

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bisan pag usaon ang pagpangawat sala gyod ma gamay ba o madako ang kawaton

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The moral of the story we all have to take from this is putting more emphasis in trusting God.
Ye we may suffer economic woes, but we should always put our trust in Him, who will deliver us from whatever situation we are placed in.

It is not impossible. It is called faith.
Have faith like a mustard seed, and for sure, you can move even the mountains.






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Sakto jud ka Inday Grace, there´s no justification for stealing. But there is a law here in Germany, mangawat ka kay gigutom ka, dili kana punishable.
Ako personally mangawat ka ug pananglitay ballpen, or any tangible object, this should be punished, apan kon mansanas or tinapay kay gutom, okay ni nako.

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