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Lorenzo · « **on:** January 05, 2008, 08:32:59 AM »

This week I was able to talk to old friends and one of the subjects that was brought up in our long conversation was the topic of Death and Dying. I remained primarily silent in the conversation and listened profoundly to the words and points of views of my friends. I had one friend, a good friend at that, who talked and brought up scripture and the Bible, referencing the judgment of the dead by the Lord God, and many other friends who shared some kind of religious and spiritual nature had similar remarks, but then there were others who brought about the cold facts of death as a physical end. The total end. I feel really bad that I didn't talk or give my point of view during the conversation with my friends, and deep inside I do believe in my faith and that one will be awakened after death to be judged by the Lord our God before the Angels and Saints and rendered a fate coinciding with our actions here on Earth. However, during the conversation at the time, I could not help but agree with the scientific response. Naturally, as a human I cannot help but question yet fear the concept of death. I truly and absolutely fear death. To be silenced and alienated from my loved ones and from the feelings that life offers. The hair on my back just stands firm thinking about it. What about you guys? What are your thoughts and views on death and dying? Do you fear it? Do you accept it without recompense?

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2008, 08:50:22 AM »

aguy manukad sa ko Dodong...

hint: my belief, is when we are dead we become dust and recycle...i didnt read it from any books, nor heard it form someone else, i jsut learned if myself and its just my opinion...the process of dying is what scares me because no dies of not experiencing any sort of pain from illnesses, injury from accident, bangungot (still painful) or whatever but to die is like a very long and forever R&R...

Speaking of alienation from loved ones when someone dies, although Im not dead yet, I already experieced it for many years now so it must feel the same...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2008, 08:57:11 AM »

I am sorry Ate Belle, I did not know that you had to experience that.
I am very happy and glad to have met someone like you here in TB, Ate Belle, because even if you don't recognize it, but you really remind me alot of my own Mom. Your voice, in particular, is like that of my own Mom. I wish I could give you a big hug, 'te.

Love you, 'te.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2008, 09:00:45 AM »

Thank you sweetie...

i have been surviving here for so long with no family, Dodong. Although some of my family come to visit me (not totally alienated) but it feels like i was in the other world...and i sometimes wonder if it feels the same when one is dead... too mingaw....in my case ako ang gimingaw kaayo, in death's case ang nabilin ang mingawon...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2008, 09:15:57 AM »

That is true, 'te. I agree with you jud.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2008, 09:25:58 AM »

I met several Holocaust survivors Dodong, you might surprise why, because i choose and chased to meet them... and they have very deep understanding of death and dying, ill tell you when we'll have EB pohon...i like to discuss this things with you kanang naa si Ate C2, Tiya Grazzy, Swakee at iba pa!

ang EB nato ha?

OT na ko...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2008, 09:27:33 AM »

haha I await to have our EB soon, 'te.
'te tinuud kono that you will be meeting up with Ate Ging?
Uy take alot of pictures ha!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2008, 09:59:37 AM »

yeah nest week Dodong! hahahhaha

sure we will kay nalimot na sad ko sa atong Golden Gate diri oi...

sus Dodong nag plano na mi unsay kan-on sa china ug japan towns!

hahahhaha ka alegre... OT!

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C2H4 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2008, 10:56:21 AM »

The other day, my hubby got sick. He wasn't his usual happy self, he looked bad. And I got to thinking, what if I lose him? And just the thought of it, shook me to my core. In that respect, I fear death. I fear the death of loved ones more than I fear my own.

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pioneer · « **Reply #9 on:** January 05, 2008, 11:10:57 AM »

In the middle of the night last night I woke up sobbing because I had a dream about my father. I was dreaming that I was crying because I was looking for him. Then for the rest of the hour, I was crying on my bed with my head buried on the pillow. The tears in my dreams became real when I was already awake.

There is a longingness deep within my soul that only God can fathom.

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C2H4 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 05, 2008, 11:16:09 AM »

Mike, there are tears that only God can wipe away.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #11 on:** January 08, 2008, 12:36:44 AM »

In the middle of the night last night I woke up sobbing because I had a dream about my father. I was dreaming that I was crying because I was looking for him. Then for the rest of hour, I was crying on my bed with my head buried on the pillow. The tears in my dreams became real when I was already awake.

There is a longingness deep within my soul that only God can fathom.

Mike, I cannot even imagine to fathom how you are feeling, and those who have already lost a close family member. Blessed are you and those like you who are suffering because of that loss. I will offer a prayer to the Blessed Santo Nino tonight on our 2nd day of novena for the remembrance and for the Mercy of your Papa.

Sometimes I do not know how my father deals with such a loss. My dad lost his papa when he was only 21 y.o, and his mom passed away back in '95. I have not seen my dad, ever, cry for his parents since the funeral of Mama Luz, his mother, back in '95. I have never seen him cry like that--ever. I try not to ask questions about Mama Luz or Papa Titing with my dad because I know it is a very sensitive issue for my father. I am sure he does tho, because in his wallet, there is a picture of Papa Titing.

People say time heals all wounds. I think there are wounds that can never be healed. Time merely allows the individual to bear the pain with dignity. Or so that is what I think.

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Scarb · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2008, 03:43:37 AM »

ja, might time would heals all wounds but the scars will remain :'(

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smiffytheninja · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2008, 06:41:32 PM »

I have a friend that I have known since I we were about 3 or 4 and we're basically like brothers/sisters. His dad passed away shortly after we met them and of course, we didn't know how to react then. Summing it up a bit, as both of our summers were winding down, I had my wisdom tooth taken out, so I was pretty drowsy and unaware of myself during that time. A couple hours after my procedure, my mom received a call from one of my good friends from high school. When I woke up, my mom told me that her boyfriend passed away. It took me a couple minutes to figure out that her boyfriend was the best friend of the guy that I have known since I was young. It seemed like everything wore off, the Vicodin, the pain in my tooth, everything. I had a loss of appetite even though my stomach grumbled fiercely. Every now and then, me and my friend have these talks online about what he has on his mind. Just this morning he couldn't go to sleep thinking about everything that has happened to him. In times of his need, I always turn to my faith to give me words of wisdom to calm him down.

I took a class about the "mystery of suffering and death" and although it was fairly easy, it taught me a lot about what people of all cultures go through. Pain is a universal feeling, but each person has their own cultural way -example: ceremonies- of dealing with it.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2008, 01:59:27 AM »

Thanks for sharing that anecdote, Smiff. I hope that your friend is dealing with it, I know how hard it is to loose a very close friend. The death of one of my closest friends this past November 20th will forever be etched in my mind. Sometimes, it feels so surreal, one cannot believe that it is happening to them or the family members of the victim. I have never felt such a loss till the death of Rob Matson. I can close my eyes and remember our last conversation, the last time we went out to the bar in college- Chippers Bar. I can still clearly remember me, rob and some other friends walking to the bar--it was a Tuesday evening because Chipper's has a 30 cent wing night; lol. I ordered a dozen spicy barbeque and Rob, for his size he had a huge appetite, ordered 24 hot wings LOL. I still remembering toasting a mug of beer with him and some friends.

I miss him, I miss the fun times that we had, and I thank God all the time for the good memories, the fine memories that I had with him. All of us who were affected by his death took it hard. You know. Imagine it was our fall semester of our senior year--that he took his life. I only saw him 2-3 days before he passed. Had I only known such things were going in his head, I WOULD have gone to him in a heart beat. Mourning for him was hard for me. I never mourned that much for anyone--nor can I remember being affected so drastically. Emotionally and physically drained, I cried almost every day--and fell into a slight depression immediately afterwards. For about 2 weeks, this went on. The only way I was ever to climb out of it was my faith. Talking to friends helped for a bit, but not so much. It was the hours I spent in prayer in church--before the Crucifix--prostrated--that is where I poured my tears.

Before, I could not feel such comfort in silence, but after the incident-I can surely witness the power of prayer. There is comfort in prayer, and the Lord who is boundless of Love and Mercy hears all our prayers. Our prayers are like sweet incense to the Lord. I would not have been able to cope with the loss of my best friend had it not been for prayer, and the church visits at night.

I can never forget this incident, and the void and emptiness after the loss of a very strong and close friend is hard to fill in, hard to secure. And I will carry it with me to my dying day. It is only through the Grace of God and his Mercy that we strive to do the best that we can, with the days we have been allotted in this green earth. Let us make the best of it.

:'(

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kiamoy · « **Reply #15 on:** March 22, 2008, 10:56:18 PM »

im not afraid of death, kay I want to die first than my loved ones. It's the process of dying that scares me. $:-\$

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grazie7y · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2008, 12:56:23 PM »

Thanks for sharing that anecdote, Smiff. I hope that your friend is dealing with it, I know how hard it is to loose a very close friend. The death of one of my closest friends this past November 20th will forever be etched in my mind. Sometimes, it feels so surreal, one cannot believe that it is happening to them or the family members of the victim. I have never felt such a loss till the death of Rob Matson. I can close my eyes and remember our last conversation, the last time we went out to the bar in college- Chippers Bar. I can still clearly remember me, rob and some other friends walking to the bar--it was a Tuesday evening because Chipper's has a 30 cent wing night; lol. I ordered a dozen spicy barbeque and Rob, for his size he had a huge appetite, ordered 24 hot wings LOL. I still remembering toasting a mug of beer with him and some friends.

I miss him, I miss the fun times that we had, and I thank God all the time for the good memories, the fine memories that I had with him. All of us who were affected by his death took it hard. You know. Imagine it was our fall semester of our senior year--that he took his life. I only saw him 2-3 days before he passed. Had I only known such things were going in his head, I WOULD have gone to him in a heart beat. Mourning for him was hard for me. I never mourned that much for anyone--nor can I remember being affected so drastically. Emotionally and physically drained, I cried almost every day--and fell into a slight depression immediately afterwards. For about 2 weeks, this went on. The only way I was ever to climb out of it was my faith. Talking to friends helped for a bit, but not so much. It was the hours I spent in prayer in church--before the Crucifix--prostrated--that is where I poured my tears.

Before, I could not feel such comfort in silence, but after the incident-I can surely witness the power of prayer. There is comfort in prayer, and the Lord who is boundless of Love and Mercy hears all our prayers. Our prayers are like sweet incense to the Lord. I would not have been able to cope with the loss of my best friend had it not been for prayer, and the church visits at night.

I can never forget this incident, and the void and emptiness after the loss of a very strong and close friend is hard to fill in, hard to secure. And I will carry it with me to my dying day. It is only through the Grace of God and his Mercy that we strive to do the best that we can, with the days we have been allotted in this green earth. Let us make the best of it.

:'(

Dong, the friend of Alyssa/Smiffy she was referring in her post died of car accident. His big brother was driving and the young brother got killed. It was so tragic. I remember reading it in the newspaper and I felt so sad especially for the big brother because they were so close to each other. Then Alyssa told me about this friend of them who died and I said, I read that in the news. Anyway, the guy who died and Alyssa's childhood friend were so closed they almost looked alike. It was really sad.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2008, 01:11:22 PM »

Words cannot describe the feelings of such a loss, and I am deeply sorry for those who were affected jud, 'te. It is always a hard thing to deal with whenever a loved one, either they are friends or family, is lost.

It is irreparable. And the only things we have are memories and pictures, which help to comfort us.

You know, there are times that I question my faith. And it isn't the type of questioning where I just question scripture and what not, but it is the type where I question the trueness and purity of faith. Specially whenever one thinks about death and affected by the loss of a loved one. However, I take comfort in the faith of others and those who went before me to strengthen my own faith. I take comfort that there really is a resurrection and salvation after this journey we call life. Countless numbers of our brothers and sisters have gone to their eternal rest in hope of rising again, in seeing another rising sun; life and an awakening beyond the grave.

Contemplation of this envigorates me and my faith. That there Is a life after death. That death and mourning isn't just a feeling for those who lost a loved one. Death is the end of this life, and the beginning of another. Something that we all must go through. Each passing day, each hour, we come closer to our eternal rest in this earthly pilgrimage.

Whether we accept or deny this is up to the individual. To believe or not believe is up to the individual.

But imagine, what one will feel after the moment of death, after the moment of physical death, one's eyes are opened again. Not physical eyes, but the eyes of the spirit. That, my friends, is something we must look forward to.
To mourn is natural and part of life, but for those who are truly afflicted and suffering, take comfort that there will be a sunrise after our sunset.

And God will wipe every tear from their eyes.
Rev. 7:17

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