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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 03:46:49 AM »
Bitaw pod no? What made Christ say: "I came to throw fire on the earth. I wish it were already kindled. But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace in the earth? I tell you, no, but rather division. For from now on, there will be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother; mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
 
Luke 12:49-53


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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 10:34:10 AM »
Apan sa tinuod lang daghan man pod nagkahiusa tungod sa ilang tinuohan, apan daghan pod nagka buwag2x ug nag away2x tungod pod sa tinuohan hehehe...




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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 03:37:55 PM »
Bitaw pod no? What made Christ say: "I came to throw fire on the earth. I wish it were already kindled. But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace in the earth? I tell you, no, but rather division. For from now on, there will be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother; mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
 
Luke 12:49-53



dugay najod kong,,wa kasabot aning versikoloha,,,,bisag bisaya pang bibliyaha akong basahon,,,,,,gusto kong makahibalo unsay ipasabot ani sir...............mao ni sagad itira sa mga muslim sa mga kristyan,,,JESUS daw wa mag dala og kalinaw,,,,,

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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 08:46:42 PM »
Bitaw pod no? What made Christ say: "I came to throw fire on the earth. I wish it were already kindled. But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace in the earth? I tell you, no, but rather division. For from now on, there will be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother; mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
 
Luke 12:49-53


dugay najod kong,,wa kasabot aning versikoloha,,,,bisag bisaya pang bibliyaha akong basahon,,,,,,gusto kong makahibalo unsay ipasabot ani sir...............mao ni sagad itira sa mga muslim sa mga kristyan,,,JESUS daw wa mag dala og kalinaw,,,,,


In regards to the quoted verses 49 to 53 from Luke Chapter 12:


Meditation: Jesus shocked his disciples when he declared that he would cast fire and cause division rather than peace upon the earth.  What kind of fire did Jesus have in mind?  Fire in biblical times was associated with God and with his action in the world and in the lives of his people.  God sometimes manifested his presence by use of fire, such as the burning bush which was not consumed when God spoke to Moses (Exodus 3:2).  The image of fire was also used to symbolize God's glory (Ezekiel 1:4, 13), his protective presence (2 Kings 6:17), his holiness (Deut. 4:24), righteous judgment (Zechariah 13:9), and his wrath against sin (Isaiah 66:15-16).  It is also used of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 3:11 and Acts 2:3).  God's fire both purifies and cleanses, and it inspires a reverent fear of God and of his word in us.  Jesus regarded the coming of the kingdom of God as a time of judgment.  His word of judgment was meant to help people take seriously the consequences of their choices -- either for or against God. Our response to the judgments of God has serious repercussions, both for the present and the future.  Jesus states that even family loyalties would be challenged on the basis of whether people accepted the kingdom of God or not.  The essence of Christianity is loyalty to Jesus Christ, a loyalty that takes precedence over every other relationship. When Jesus spoke about division he likely had in mind the prophecy of Micah: a man's enemies are the men of his own household (Micah 7:6). The love of God compels us to choose who will be first in our lives.  To place any relationship (or anything else) above God is a form of idolatry.  Jesus challenges his disciples to examine who they love first and foremost.  A true disciple loves God above all else and is willing to forsake all for Jesus Christ.  Jesus insists that his disciples give him the loyalty which is only due to God, a loyalty which is higher than spouse or kin.  It is possible that family and friends can become our enemies, if the thought of them keeps us from doing what we know God wants us to do. Does the love of Jesus Christ compel you to put God first in all you do (2 Corinthians 5:14)?


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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 08:55:41 PM »
Bitaw pod no? What made Christ say: "I came to throw fire on the earth. I wish it were already kindled. But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to give peace in the earth? I tell you, no, but rather division. For from now on, there will be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother; mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
 
Luke 12:49-53


Father, another complement to this would be the reading from Matthew Chapter 8, specifically verses 20 to 22. In this particular verse, Jesus Christ tells a man to follow him, however, this young man was too busy to attend to physical matters instead of the SPIRITUAL and SALVIFIC ministry that He was calling the man for. The young man told Jesus that he wanted to go home to "bury his father", it was an excuse of the younger man to evade the RESPONSIBILITY that Jesus Christ was calling him into, which is the ministry of the Word and to follow Jesus Christ. This is why Jesus tells the younger man, "Let the dead bury their own!"

This man, leaning on his father's condition, tries to put off the responsibility that Christ offers to him. Obviously, his priorities are not based on faith and serving God first (Matthew 6:33). If he wanted to, he could find a way, without showing any disrespect, to have his father cared for and still serve God. Thus, Christ tells him to let the spiritually dead—those who were not being called (Ephesians 2:1)—continue to live their lives as seems best to them.

This account illustrates how we should not let undue concern over physical matters distract us from serving God once He has called us to His work (John 6:44, 65).






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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 09:23:22 PM »

In regards to the quoted verses 49 to 53 from Luke Chapter 12:


Meditation: Jesus shocked his disciples when he declared that he would cast fire and cause division rather than peace upon the earth.  What kind of fire did Jesus have in mind?  Fire in biblical times was associated with God and with his action in the world and in the lives of his people.  God sometimes manifested his presence by use of fire, such as the burning bush which was not consumed when God spoke to Moses (Exodus 3:2).  The image of fire was also used to symbolize God's glory (Ezekiel 1:4, 13), his protective presence (2 Kings 6:17), his holiness (Deut. 4:24), righteous judgment (Zechariah 13:9), and his wrath against sin (Isaiah 66:15-16).  It is also used of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 3:11 and Acts 2:3).  God's fire both purifies and cleanses, and it inspires a reverent fear of God and of his word in us.  Jesus regarded the coming of the kingdom of God as a time of judgment.  His word of judgment was meant to help people take seriously the consequences of their choices -- either for or against God. Our response to the judgments of God has serious repercussions, both for the present and the future.  Jesus states that even family loyalties would be challenged on the basis of whether people accepted the kingdom of God or not.  The essence of Christianity is loyalty to Jesus Christ, a loyalty that takes precedence over every other relationship. When Jesus spoke about division he likely had in mind the prophecy of Micah: a man's enemies are the men of his own household (Micah 7:6). The love of God compels us to choose who will be first in our lives.  To place any relationship (or anything else) above God is a form of idolatry.  Jesus challenges his disciples to examine who they love first and foremost.  A true disciple loves God above all else and is willing to forsake all for Jesus Christ.  Jesus insists that his disciples give him the loyalty which is only due to God, a loyalty which is higher than spouse or kin.  It is possible that family and friends can become our enemies, if the thought of them keeps us from doing what we know God wants us to do. Does the love of Jesus Christ compel you to put God first in all you do (2 Corinthians 5:14)?


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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 09:33:53 PM »

e summarize daw sir,...request rapod ning akoa,,,,

Ang gipasabot sa atong Ginoong Hesukristo is that we should yearn and seek the Kingdom of God, which we can achieve only through Jesus Christ. Pivotal to this salvific mission is that we should place Jesus Christ in our hearts, minds. He is the priority, never the secondary, or tertiary. Jesus Christ comes before self or family or physical need.

Jesus Christ Is Above All Things gajud, everything else is secondary, tertiary, quaternary etc etc.

There was an incident, Bai Chris, which was documented in the Book of Matthew Chapter 8 when a young man was called by Jesus Christ to follow him. Na hadlok ang bata kai dako kaayo ang responsibilidad ang gi request ni Hesukristo. Ingon ang bata ni Jesus Christ, "Gusot ko mo balik sa balay kai i-lubong pa ahong papa". Ingon ang Ginoong Hesukristo niya, "Let the dead bury their own!". Jesus' answer was very straightforward. Once you are called, he expects you to follow to His word and to put Him first.

In other words, tho the world may be antagonistic to faith in Jesus Christ, you must never go against your love and faith in Christ Jesus. Stick to the faith. Kai dili buta og dili bungol ang GINOO!!

Remember that this world belongs to the devil satan, May God rebuke him. What we long for, Bai Chris, is eternal Life with Jesus Christ who is Lord. For the one who is loyal and loves Christ, will have his or her home in the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 10:03:23 PM »
Ang gipasabot sa atong Ginoong Hesukristo is that we should yearn and seek the Kingdom of God, which we can achieve only through Jesus Christ. Pivotal to this salvific mission is that we should place Jesus Christ in our hearts, minds. He is the priority, never the secondary, or tertiary. Jesus Christ comes before self or family or physical need.

Jesus Christ Is Above All Things gajud, everything else is secondary, tertiary, quaternary etc etc.


kasabot nako sir,,lahi raman god kong mobasa unya walay kapangutan an unsay pasabot,,nakabasa ko ana versekilo kay,,mao man god kasagarab e ataki sa muslim,,,na JESUS daw,,,wa magdala kalinaw,,,

There was an incident, Bai Chris, which was documented in the Book of Matthew Chapter 8 when a young man was called by Jesus Christ to follow him. Na hadlok ang bata kai dako kaayo ang responsibilidad ang gi request ni Hesukristo. Ingon ang bata ni Jesus Christ, "Gusot ko mo balik sa balay kai i-lubong pa ahong papa". Ingon ang Ginoong Hesukristo niya, "Let the dead bury their own!". Jesus' answer was very straightforward. Once you are called, he expects you to follow to His word and to put Him first.

In other words, tho the world may be antagonistic to faith in Jesus Christ, you must never go against your love and faith in Christ Jesus. Stick to the faith. Kai dili buta og dili bungol ang GINOO!!

Remember that this world belongs to the devil satan, May God rebuke him. What we long for, Bai Chris, is eternal Life with Jesus Christ who is Lord. For the one who is loyal and loves Christ, will have his or her home in the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 10:59:05 PM »
Bisan sa mga sakop mismo sa usa ka relihiyon, daghan ang magkasumpaki ilabi na kon naay mopataas og ihi ug magpakaaron-ingnon. Mao kini ang nahisulat kabahin niini nga klase sa peke nga sumusunod:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ --Matthew 7:21-23 (New International Version)



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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 03:09:07 AM »
kasabot nako sir,,lahi raman god kong mobasa unya walay kapangutan an unsay pasabot,,nakabasa ko ana versekilo kay,,mao man god kasagarab e ataki sa muslim,,,na JESUS daw,,,wa magdala kalinaw,,,

Bai Chris,

Mao na importante nga og mo basa ta sa Bibliya, importante gayod i butang nato ang meaning sa bersikolo sa atong kasingkasing! We have to always TRY and DO what we know we are called to in the name of Jesus Christ, despite our own personal iniquities. In the end, if we are truly called by the Spirit of the Lord, we are to follow the Lord Jesus Christ and are to be like him (in mind, in words, in actions) and to be a light. Are we able to be perfect? No, of course not because we are all human and are prone to sin, but nonetheless we are called , we ARE called to be perfect and good. Remember Jesus said to the disciples, and to us, "Be therefore perfect, like my Father who is perfect." (By saying this, Christ knows that we are sinful and fall to our iniquities, yet, however, Christ tells us to never cease in trying to be perfect like His Father Who Is Perfect ! )

I hope that you have a better understanding of that particular meaning. And if people you know keep on instilling doubt to your faith, remember that Jesus Christ said, "I Am the Alpha and the Omega" (Revelations). Jesus is the Beginning and Jesus is the End.

Jesus Christ said , "I Am the Life and the Resurrection. No One can come to The Father except through Me."

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 03:12:32 AM »

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ --Matthew 7:21-23 (New International Version)



Here's the rest of Matthew Chapter 7:

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

 28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

-Matthew 7: 24-28

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2012, 03:16:24 AM »
Here's the rest of Matthew Chapter 7:

24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

 28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

-Matthew 7: 24-28

Roman Catholic Scriptural Interpretation:


Ver. 21. Here Jesus Christ shews, that it is not sufficient to believe in him and hear his words, but that in order to salvation, we must join works with faith; for in this shall we be examined at the last day. (Menochius) --- Without faith they could not cry out, Lord, Lord. (Romans x.) But the strongest faith without the works of justice, will not be available to salvation. (1 Corinthians xiii.) (Bristow) --- Many who have the Lord continually in their mouths, but care little about putting on the Lord, or penetrating themselves with his true spirit, will find their presumption, and the false consciences they have made to themselves, wofully disappointed. (Haydock)

Ver. 22. Have not we prophesied in thy name? The gift of prophecy, and of doing miracles, may sometimes be granted to bad men, as to Caiphas, and Balaam. (Witham) --- Under the name of prophets, the Hebrews comprised not only such as predicted future events, but also in general all such as gave themselves out for inspired, or who undertook teaching and interpreting the holy Scriptures; and here by prophesying is understood, in a general acceptation, all public functions, predicting futurity, expounding Scripture, instructing the people, preaching, &c. (Bible de Vence)

Ver. 23. So as to approve and reward your works. Here he shews that even prophecy and miracles will not save us without good works. (Menochius) --- How much less will faith, unassisted by good works, preserve us from condemnation. (Haydock) --- The gift of miracles is bestowed on men not for their own good, but for the advantage of others. We must not then be surprised if men, who had indeed faith in Christ, but whose lives did not correspond with their faith, should be honoured with these extraordinary gifts, since the Almighty sometimes employs as his instruments in working similar wonders, men destitute both of faith and virtue. Balaam, void of faith and probity, still by the will of God, prophesied for the advantage of others. To Pharao and Nabuchodonosor were revealed future events of the greatest moment; and the wicked Judas himself cast out devils. Therefore St. Paul said, "if I had all faith so as to remove mountains, and if I knew all mysteries, and was possessed of all wisdom, but had not charity, I am nothing." (St. Chrysostom, Hom. xv.)

Ver. 24. In the Greek text, "I will compare him;" an apposite comparison, to shew the necessity of good works. It is the duty of each individual to erect this spiritual edifice of good works in the interior of his soul, which may be able to resist all the attacks of our spiritual enemy: whilst those men who have true faith and no works are compared to a fool, and are sure to perish. (Menochius) ---Here again our Saviour dispenses his rewards to such as order their lives according to his instructions; but as before he promised the kingdom of heaven, divine consolations, and other rewards, so here he promises them the numberless blessings attendant on virtue in this life. The just alone are surrounded with virtue as with a strong guard, and amidst the high swelling waves of worldly troubles, enjoy a calm and unchangeable tranquillity. Thus was Job strengthened by his virtue against the attacks both of men and satan. (St. Chrysostom, hom. xxv.)

Ver. 25. The Scribes and Pharisees only explained the law, and laid open the promises of Moses, whereas our Saviour gives new laws, and makes new promises in his own name; But I say to you, &c. The energy also with which our Saviour spoke, together with the miracles which he wrought, had far greater influence on the minds of the people than the frigid manner in which the Scribes delivered their doctrines. (Menochius)

Ver. 26. Nothing can be more foolish than to raise an edifice on sand: it carries punishment with it, causing indeed abundance of labour, but yielding neither reward nor repose. The slaves of malice, luxury, and voluptuousness, labour in the pursuit of their desires, yet not only receive no reward, but, on the contrary, the greatest punishment. They sow in the flesh, from the flesh they shall reap corruption. (Galatians vi.) (St. Chrysostom, hom. xxv.)

Ver. 27. Such again shall be the end of all false prophets. Their death shall be in the same proportion, ignominious and miserable, as their life had been glorious and attractive. They shall be punished with so much greater severity, than others, as their sins have proceeded from greater knowledge and greater malice. (Haydock)

Ver. 28. With reason were the people enraptured with his doctrines; for he taught as having authority from himself, and not like their doctors, who only spoke in the name of Moses, and whose only ambition was to please, and not to correct. In the Greek text there is only mention of the Scribes or doctors, but not of the Pharisees.

Ver. 29. He taught as one having power, exousian, to found a law of his own. Hence he said: Ego autem dico vobis; "But I say to you," viz. as a legislator, announcing to you not the law of Moses, or of any other, but my own law. (Estius, in different location) --- All agree that St. Matthew anticipates the sermon on the mount, in order thus to prefix the doctrines of Christ to the account of his miracles; for we cannot doubt that the discourse on the mount, which is mentioned by St. Matthew, is the same as that recorded by St. Luke. The beginning, the middle, and the conclusion correspond with each other. If St. Matthew mentions some particulars omitted by St. Luke, it is because his design was to collect together several instructions, which Jesus delivered on different occasions; and these, for the most part, are to be found in other parts of St. Luke. --- This admirable sermon may be divided into three parts, viz. the exordium, the body of the discourse, and the conclusion. The exordium comprises the eight beatitudes, and merits our most serious attention. The body of the discourse is chiefly addressed to the apostles, whom Jesus had recently chosen, in order to instil into them, and all succeeding pastors of the Church, a right sense of the great duties belonging to their ministry; and, in the second place, it refers to all the faithful in general. The conclusion consists of an exhortation to a life of piety, and contains several advices, some of which chiefly regard pastors, others indiscriminately all the faithful in general. --- May this excellent abridgment of thy doctrine, O Jesus! be the rule of our manners, the pattern of our life. Amen. (Haydock)



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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2012, 03:33:45 AM »

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ --Matthew 7:21-23 (New International Version)



This is best answered by a verse from Book of James: "What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?" (James 2: 14)

The Gospel of Luke reiterates the incident when a man with 2 tunics gave one tunic to one who did not have, and the man who had food , who gave food to the one without. That is synergistic with the verse from James 2: 14. Yes, we are called to profess faith in Jesus Christ, as children of God, we are also expected to express a Living Faith.

An act of grace, an act of kindness. If we see an old man that is need of assistance in the hospital or in the street, help him or her. If you see a poor man who is in need of a little bit of money, it would be generous to give some spare change we had in our pocket to help a needy brother or sister. If a person is in pain, in mental anguish, console him or her. Would we not want to be consoled, too, if we were suffering, were poor, or were defenseless? An ACT of faith is is what complements any profession of faith.

We all should remember that while we were yet sinners, Jesus Christ died for our sins. Absolute Love. That Christ, who was innocent and blameless, suffered and died for all of us, for me, for you, so that we would not suffer retribution from The Father Who Is In Heaven. Jesus Christ gave His life because He Loved us. We should also Love one another as Christ loves us. It may not be easy at times, but we are called to.



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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2012, 08:55:45 PM »
there are some people use religion for convenience only, for their own desires, if that would be favorable for them economically, socially , politically and even in armed force.

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Re: Why do religions separate rather than unify people?
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2012, 09:32:34 PM »
there are some people use religion for convenience only, for their own desires, if that would be favorable for them economically, socially , politically and even in armed force.

...just as there are those who use religion to make themselves appear smarter and more knowledgeable than others. Pastilan jawaa, kanus-a pa man intawon matibway kining atong Kalbaryo...


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