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Happy kalag-kalag.

Ang pagdagkot   usa ka traditional nga kinaiya sa mga Pilipino. Kita mobisita sa ilang mga
lubong kay nagtuo ta nga  sila mga kalag na, makakita sila kanato kay spirit man sila. Kon
magdagkot ta ug kandila diha sa ilang lubong, dili kaha sila initan?  Atong mabasa diha sa
Lucas 16, 20 to 31 ang usa ka dato nga didto na sa imperno nag-antos sa kainit sa kalayo.
Ang mga kalag didto sa imperno nag-antos sa kasakit. Ang mga kalag  nga anaa karon
sa menteryo initan tingali kon magdagkot tag daghang kandila diha sa ilang lubong.

Kon mobisita ta sa lubong sa atong mga mahal, mga preskong bulak ang atong idalit dili
ang pagdagkot. Ako lang ni nga opinion .

Is there  a Biblical teaching on this nga magdagkot ta panahon sa kalag-kalag?

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Yes, we should.

The standard Jewish Old Testament at the time of Christ was the Septuagint, which was created in 280 B.C. by 72 Jewish scribes who translated the existing Hebrew texts into Greek. This version was used by the writers of the New Testament as evidenced by their citing it over 300 times out of 350 Old Testament references in preference to other versions. The Septuagint contains the seven books considered "apocrypha" by the Protestants (Tobias, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus/Sirach, Baruch, I and II Maccabees). It is the version referred to in the Didache and quoted by Origen, Irenaeus of Lyons, Hippolytus, Tertullian, Cyprian of Carthage, Justin Martyr, and St. Augustine. The Epistle of Pope Clement, written around A.D. 96, refers to Ecclesiasticus, Wisdom, and Judith. The seven books were also found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, which are dated between 168 B.C. and A.D. 68

 All of these references implied the need and the holiness of those who did so, for example:

2 Maccabees 12:44-45:
For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.


 Sirach 7:33, where we are called to “withhold not kindnesses from the dead.”

Jesus taught that the Church is a vine and we are the branches. This vine comprises the “Body of Christ” in a mystical sense. Do we believe the dead are chopped off of the vine? Do we believe the dead are no longer part of the Body of Christ? Of course not. Christ conquered death and thus, the dead are still part of the mystical Body of Christ and know exactly what is happening on earth. If they need our prayers, it would be Christian of us to pray for them.

So where is prayer for the dead in the New Testament. The clearest example is from St. Paul
2 Timothy 1:16-18.
May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me – may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day – and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus

The point here is that Onesiphorus was already dead. And St. Paul clearly prays, “may the Lord grant him to find mercy.” St. Paul was praying that a dead man receive mercy.

We see this again from St. Paul:
1 Corinthians 15:29.
 Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?

The word “baptism” is often used to refer to suffering and afflictions (see Luke 12:50 and Mark 10:38-39). So Christians are suffering for the dead. That’s a very Catholic thought that suggests (as Paul does above) that the dead can be affected by our prayers and sufferings.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15.
For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble – each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.


When we pray for the dead, we pray for those who are suffering loss, who are saved, but only through fire. Pray for your loved ones as well, that they may see the face of God. As they say, “May God rest their souls



In The Name of Christ Jesus, Lord and Savior.
Faithfully Yours,
Lorenzo
 

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In the lighting of candles we remember and truly live the words of Our Lord: "I am the Light of the World." In the lighting of candles we not only pray, but our prayers become smaller symbols of the One Light of Christ.
There is scriptural basis for this intercessory prayer for the sins of others and for the dead in the Old Testament. Job's sacrifices purified his sons (Job 1:5); and Judas Maccabeus "made atonement for the dead that they be delivered from their sin" (II Macc 12:46).

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The death of Lazarus, the good friend of Jesus, even affected our Savior.
Though The Lord knew that Lazarus would die, he came to resurrect him to show the power of His father.

Lord Jesus Christ, was even moved to tears and went to visit the grave of Lazarus, to resurrect him. So that man would see the power of God. But the important thing is that even The Lord, Jesus Christ, God Blessed Forever, was brought to tears.

Scripture declares it so:

When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. "Where have you laid him?" he asked. "Come and see, Lord," they replied. Jesus wept. Then the Jews said, "See how he loved him!"


--John 11: 33-37


As even the Lord, The Giver of Life, cried for Lazarus, and was HIMSELF deeply moved at the sorrows of Lazarus' friends and family. And so therefore raised Lazarus from the dead. The basis for us to visit the grave of our loved ones and to weep for them and to remember them is solidified in scripture. As even Christ Jesus, WHO IS GOD BLESSED FOREVER, HIMSELF, cried at the death of Lazarus.

God Bless,


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If you guys like reading this little book about An Unpublished Manuscript on Purgatory here is the site. http://my.homewithgod.com/gertrude/purgatory/  ako gicopy ang mga words nga which maybe apply sa atong state of life.
The manuscript contains very interesting statements about the life beyond the grave, particularly about Purgatory. The details are intermingled with much spiritual direction. Its authenticity is beyond doubt.

A nun, identified for us merely as Sister M. de L., C., of a convent at V., without warning began to hear prolonged sighs beside her. This was in November 1873. She cried out, "Oh, who are you, you frightened me. Whatever you do, don't show yourself. Tell me who you are?" No answer was forth coming. The sighs continued and even came nearer. In vain did the poor Sister multiply her prayers, communions, ways of the Cross, and rosaries. The sighs did not cease and remained unexplained until February 15, 1874, when a voice she recognized was heard saying "Do not be afraid, you will not see me in my sufferings. I am Sister M. G." Sister M.G. was a nun who had died at V., a victim to devotion and duty, February 22, 1871, at the age of 36.
The suffering soul then told her former companion whose advice  she would come frequently in order to sanctify herself. The plan of God was that Sister M. L. C., by her holy life should relieve and ultimately deliver her, who in years past, had tried her patience so sorely. The answer did not lesson the fears of Sister M. de L. C., who requested her visitor to depart and never again. But it was useless. She was told that she had only to bear it as long as God willed it. This was just what she dreaded. For several years the mysterious relation continued between the living nun and the departed religious. It was Sister M. de L, C., herself, who related these events from 1874 to 1890, in the manuscript which is here given to the public.
Our Mother Superior is in Heaven since the day of her death, thanks to her suffering and great charity.

If you were as perfect as God wishes you to be, He would be ready to bestow many graces upon you. God wants you to be holier than many others. If you make the intention, God will accept whatever you do, for all the souls in Purgatory, just as if applied to one particular soul. Next to the Mass, the Way of the Cross is the best prayer.
If you could only know what I suffer! Pray for me, please. I suffer intensely everywhere. My God, how merciful You are! No one can imagine what Purgatory is like. Be kind and take pity on the poor souls.... Do not neglect the Way of the Cross. While on earth you will frequently suffer in body and soul, and often in both together.
 It is so beautiful in Heaven. There is great distance between Purgatory and Heaven. We are privileged at times to catch a glimpse of the joys of the blessed in Paradise, but it is almost a punishment. It makes us yearn to see God. In Heaven, it is a pure delight; in Purgatory, profound darkness.
God loves you more than many others. Has He not frequently make it known to you? No, indeed I am not the devil; I am Sister M. G. and I will pray for you. Yes, I can pray even now and will do every day. You will then realize that the souls in Purgatory are not ungrateful. Those who are very guilty do not see the Blessed Virgin. It gives great joy to God when anyone is the cause of freeing a soul from Purgatory. You do well to pray to St. Michael and to urge others to do so. One is indeed happy at the hour of death when he has had confidence in some of the saints. They will be his protectors before God in that terrible moment.God wants you to sacrifice yourself for Him without reserve. He loves you more than many others, hence He will give you many more graces.... Be careful not to lose any of the graces that He gives you. Live only for God. Try to procure His glory everywhere. What good you can do for souls! Do nothing except what pleases God. Before each action recollect yourself for a moment to be sure that what you are going to do will be pleasing to Him. All for Jesus. Love Him well.
Yes, I suffer very much, but my greatest torment is not seeing God. It is a continuous martyrdom. It makes me suffer more than does the fire of Purgatory. If later on you love God as He wants you to, you will experience a little of the pining, which makes one long to be united to the object of one's love, to Jesus.
The Purgatory of religious is much longer and more rigorous than that of many people in the world, because religious abuse special graces. Many nuns are abandoned in Purgatory, by their own fault, of course, for nobody ever remembers them. No one can have a real understanding of the sufferings in Purgatory. No one thinks of them in the world.In Heaven God receives infinite adoration, but as it is on earth that He is offended, He wills that also on earth, proper reparation should be made to Him, by your loving Him and consoling Him for the neglect that is heaped upon Him everywhere. When God wishes a soul to be entirely His, He begins by crushing it, very much as apples are crushed in the press - to extract its passions, its self-seeking, in a word, all its defects. When a soul is sufficiently broken, He reshapes it according to His will. If it is faithful, it is soon transformed. Only then does Jesus load it with His choicest graces and inundate it with His love. We see St. Michael as we see the angels. He has no body. He comes to get the souls that have finished their purification. It is he who conducts them to Heaven. He is among the Seraphim.
Our own Guardian Angels come to see us but St. Michael is far more beautiful than they are. As to the Blessed Virgin, we see her in the body. She comes to Purgatory on her feasts and she goes back to Heaven with many souls. While she is with us we do not suffer. St. Michael accompanies her. When he comes alone, we suffer as usual. When I spoke to you of the great and the second Purgatory, it was to try and make you understand that there are different stages in Purgatory. Thus I call that stage of Purgatory great or worst where the most guilty souls are, and where I stayed for two years without being able to give a sign of the torments I was suffering. The year you heard me groaning, when I began to speak to you, I was still in the same place.
What is the best way of honoring St. Michael? The best and most efficacious way of glorifying him in Heaven and honoring him on earth is to spread devotion to the souls in Purgatory, and to make known the great mission he fulfills towards these suffering souls. It is he who is entrusted by God to lead the souls to the place of expiation and to bring them to their eternal home after purification. Each time a soul arrives to increase the number of the elect, God is glorified, and this glory in some way communicates itself also to the celestial minister. It is an honor for him to present Our Lord the souls that will sing their thanks and His mercies through all eternity. I could never make you understand the intense love which the Heavenly Archangel has for his Divine Master, and the love which God in His turn has for St. Michael. Neither can I convey to you a true idea of the love and pity St. Michael has for us. He encourages us in our sufferings by speaking to us of Heaven. How do they celebrate the feast of St. Michael in Purgatory?
On that day St. Michael comes to Purgatory and returns to Heaven with a great number of souls, especially with those who had been devout to him in life.
Do you know what happens on earth?
I only know what happens in so far as God wills it. My knowledge is very limited.
Do you know each other in Purgatory?
Yes, in the manner in which souls know. There are no names in the other world. You cannot compare Purgatory and Earth. When the soul is free and released from its mortal shell, its name is buried in the grave with the body. I can only give you a small insight into the nature of Purgatory.
Do you speak to each other in Purgatory?
Souls communicate with each other when God permits it, and after the manner of souls, but without words. Yes, it is true I speak to you, but are you spirit? Would you understand me if I did not pronounce words? But for myself, as God wills it so, I understand you without your pronouncing any words with your lips. There is communication between spirits and souls on earth. Thus when you have a good thought or a holy desire, they have been communicated to you by your Guardian Angel or by some saint, and sometimes by God Himself. That is the language of the souls.
Those in Heaven for whom prayers are said on earth can apply those prayers to the souls they wish to benefit. It is a very consoling thought for those in the other world to know that their relatives and friends on earth do not forget them, even though they have no further need of prayers. In return, they are not ungrateful.
The judgments of God are very different from those of the world. He takes into account the temperament and character of each and what is done by carelessness or pure malice. To Him who knows the most secret recesses of the heart, it is not difficult to see what goes on there. Jesus is very good, but He is also most just.
Are sudden and unprepared death acts of God's justice or mercy? Such deaths are sometimes an act of justice, sometimes one of mercy.
Is the fire of Purgatory like that of earth?
Yes, with this difference, that the fire of Purgatory is a purification prescribed by God's justice and that of earth is very mild compared to that of Purgatory. It is a shadow compared to the furnace of Divine Justice.
Some souls have their Purgatory on earth by suffering, others by love, for love is a true martyrdom. The soul that really tries to love Jesus finds that notwithstanding all its efforts it does not Love Him as much as it wants to, and that is for that soul a perpetual martyrdom caused by a love which is not without great suffering. It is, as I told you, rather like the state of a soul in Purgatory, who continually leaps up towards Him who is its only desire, and who at the same time hurled back because its expiation is not complete.
Does All Souls' Day and its octave bring great joy to Purgatory and many releases?
On All Souls' Day many souls leave the place of expiation and go to Heaven. Also, by the special grace of God on that day only, all the suffering souls, without exception, have a share in the public prayers of the Church, even those who are in the great Purgatory. Still the relief of each soul is in proportion to its merits. Some receive more, some less, but all feel the benefit of this extraordinary grace. Many of the suffering souls receive this one help only in all the long years they pass here and this by the justice of God. It is not, however, on All Souls' Day that the most go to Heaven. It is on Christmas night.
Are many Protestants saved?
By the mercy of God a certain number of Protestants are saved, but their Purgatory is for many long and rigorous. It is true they have not abused grace like many Catholics, but neither have they had the marvelous graces of the sacraments and the other helps of true religion, thus their expiation in Purgatory is prolonged.
 All things pass and pass quickly. Do not fret so much about things that will end one day. Aim at what will never end. By our holy actions united to Jesus, let us embellish our heavenly throne. Let us raise it up a few steps nearer to Him whom we shall contemplate and love throughout eternity.This is what should be our sole concern on earth. For a soul that He loves, Jesus does things that at first seem impossible. That is how He will act towards you. It is Jesus who is drawing you to Himself sweetly and gently but at the same time strongly and perseveringly. Do not refuse His Divine attraction.








 





























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Lighting a candle is for 2 good reasons;
1. The lit candle reminds us of our Baptism, and the way that we share in the life of Christ by sharing in the life of the Church.

When we go, leaving the burning candle behind, we are reminded that our souls never leave the presence of God, in company with His Saints.

2. Prayer is not self-centered, it is God centered, and an important element is prayer for other people and causes. When lighting your candle, it is a very good idea to light a candle for those others you want to pray for.


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Ang pagdagkot ug kandila sa panahun sa kalag kalag or all souls day is a long tradition nga atung guisunod, this was done to honor and remember the departed souls, sa ubang relihiyun dili sila mutoo ani piro ang mga chinese halos parihas lang ang ilang pag celebrate duna sad silay mga kandila unya floral offerings, fruits, and other foodstuffs are being offered to the souls, believing that they (souls) too share in that simple feast, karun lahi na ang pagdu aw sa mga patay didto sa sementeryo kay mura na ug ga outing or ga picnic, kaniadto hilum lang ang mga tawo sa palibut.

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Yes Brownman, I agree with you that lighting a candle during All Soul's
Day is a tradition. It is not taught in the bible.  It is not necessary that
we light a candle when we pray. What is important is that you repented
your sin, not that you light a candle so that God will forgive your sins.

1 John 1:9, If we confess our sins, He is faithfull and just to forgive us
our sins and tocleanse from all righteousness

Matthew 6, 5 to 7, And when you pray, go into your room, and when you
shut your door, pray to the Father.....

Never can you read in  the Bible  that Jesus, the apostles and even Paul
taught  that when you pray you light a candle .

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Sir Felix,

The act of visiting the grave of the dead, is in itself expressed in scripture, in the volume of John 11. Upon hearing of the death of Lazarus, Christ went to the house of Lazarus to hear the cries and wails of his relatives. And the Savior, Christ Jesus Himself, was affected by it. So much as that The Lord, The Giver of Life, was reduced to tears.

The Lord was affected by the sorrows and he cries of the relatives of Lazarus. Christ, himself, went to visit the grave of Lazarus. As a measure to give his respect as well as to raise him from the dead.

We follow in his example to offer respects. As Christ visited the grave of Lazarus to resurrect him in order, the same way as the Disciples visited the grave of Christ Jesus after his crucifixion and witnessed the Transfiguration of The Christ.

We follow Sacred Tradition, In Lieu with Sacred Scripture. As it was always meant to have been followed, since the very beginning.

Tradition and Scripture go hand in hand.

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In regards to said verse in scripture;

When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. "Where have you laid him?" he asked. "Come and see, Lord," they replied. Jesus wept. Then the Jews said, "See how he loved him!"

--John 11: 33-37

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