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Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« on: November 28, 2011, 01:13:40 AM »
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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 06:17:36 AM »
Vito, that is a very good question!

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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 06:29:39 AM »
Vito, The answer that you are looking for can be found in 1st book of Corinthians chapter 15.








But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:

   “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
   “O death, where is your victory?   
         O death, where is your sting?”

The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain.
   


               -1 CORINTHIANS 15: 35-58

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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 06:35:52 AM »
If you think for a moment, you would realize that a mortal body would be unsuitable for an immortal existence. The body I have is of the world. Like the world, it is falling apart. It cannot last through eternity. The idea of birth, growth, and death, the idea of childhood and adulthood, the idea of male and female, all originate from our physical existence. When we are raised we will have spiritual bodies. The physical concepts do not apply.

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven" (Matthew 22:30).

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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2011, 11:00:00 PM »
Unsa man ilang porma sa laing kinabuhi dong Lorenzo?

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 07:20:32 AM »
Vito, we will have spiritual bodies, pariho sa lawas sa mga Angel sa Langit. Since we will be resurrected , we will have spiritual bodies that are purified. In our new spiritual bodies, there will be no blot, no deficiency, no aging, no physical limitation that are characteristic of our physical bodies.

In the resurrection of the saints, the saints will be unified and beautified in the Supreme Magnificent Glory of the Eternal Living God.

We all shall sing , "GLORY GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH IN THE HIGHEST......"

To the glory and praise of HIS Name.

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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 05:05:14 PM »
Life is what you make.
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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2011, 09:21:38 AM »
Wa nay tambok o niwang sa langit, wa nay gwapa o batig nawong...



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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2011, 01:34:38 AM »
Wa nay tambok o niwang sa langit, wa nay gwapa o batig nawong...


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Wa nay tambok o niwang sa langit, wa nay gwapa o batig nawong...
Unsa namay Naa didto bai?




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« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2011, 01:37:24 AM »
Vito, we will have spiritual bodies, pariho sa lawas sa mga Angel sa Langit. Since we will be resurrected , we will have spiritual bodies that are purified. In our new spiritual bodies, there will be no blot, no deficiency, no aging, no physical limitation that are characteristic of our physical bodies.

In the resurrection of the saints, the saints will be unified and beautified in the Supreme Magnificent Glory of the Eternal Living God.

We all shall sing , "GLORY GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH IN THE HIGHEST......"

To the glory and praise of HIS Name.


Wa na diay pud ilhanay inig abot sa langit?wa na puy silinganay?

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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2011, 01:40:50 AM »
We never grow old in heaven.

Sir fdaray inig abot nimo sa langit,mobalik na imong pagkabatan-on

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2011, 05:30:13 AM »
Vito,

A glimpse of life in Heaven was documented by St. John through his writings in the Book of Revelations. It would be wise for you to read Book of Revelations to answer more of your questions.



Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.  No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.

-Revelation 22:1-5



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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2011, 06:58:52 AM »
Unsa namay Naa didto bai?

Hmm, wa naman kunoy lawasay bay...

 

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2011, 06:59:44 AM »

Wa na diay pud ilhanay inig abot sa langit?wa na puy silinganay?

Wa na puy utangay bay... ;D



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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2011, 05:28:07 PM »

Wa na diay pud ilhanay inig abot sa langit?wa na puy silinganay?

Supernatural character of heaven and the beatific vision

(1) In heaven the just will see God by direct intuition, clearly and distinctly. Here on earth we have no immediate perception of God; we see Him but indirectly in the mirror of creation. We get our first and direct knowledge from creatures, and then, by reasoning from these, we ascend to a knowledge of God according to the imperfect likeness which creatures bear to their Creator. But in doing so we proceed to a large extent by way of negation, i.e., by removing from the Divine Being the imperfections proper to creatures. In heaven, however, no creature will stand between God and the soul. He himself will be the immediate object of its vision. Scripture and theology tell us that the blessed see God face to face. And because this vision is immediate and direct, it is also exceedingly clear and distinct. Ontologists assert that we perceive God directly in this life, though our knowledge of Him is vague and obscure; but a vision of the Divine Essence, immediate yet vague and obscure, implies a contradiction. The blessed see God, not merely according to the measure of His likeness imperfectly reflected in creation, but they see Him as He is, after the manner of His own Being. That the blessed see God is a dogma of faith, expressly defined by Benedict XII (1336):

We define that the souls of all the saints in heaven have seen and do see the Divine Essence by direct intuition and face to face [visione intuitivâ et etiam faciali], in such wise that nothing created intervenes as an object of vision, but the Divine Essence presents itself to their immediate gaze, unveiled, clearly and openly; moreover, that in this vision they enjoy the Divine Essence, and that, in virtue of this vision and this enjoyment, they are truly blessed and possess eternal life and eternal rest" (Denzinger, Enchiridion, ed. 10, n. 530--old edition, n, 456; cf. nn. 693, 1084, 1458 old, nn. 588, 868).

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm
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When we receive the beatific vision, there is no need to reconnect with family , loved ones in Heaven for we have connected with the Holy Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing and no-one else will matter. The blessed soul is gloriously overwhelmed with satisfaction in beholding the beatific vision. All holy souls yearn for this.



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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2011, 05:41:47 PM »
To enable it to see God, the intellect of the blessed is supernaturally perfected by the light of glory (lumen gloriae). This was defined by the Council of Vienne in 1311 (Denz., n. 475; old, n. 403); and it is also evident from the supernatural character of the beatific vision. For the beatific vision transcends the natural powers of the intellect; therefore, to see God the intellect stands in need of some supernatural strength, not merely transient, but permanent as the vision itself. This permanent invigoration is called the "light of glory", because it enables the souls in glory to see God with their intellect, just as material light enables our bodily eyes to see corporeal objects.

The blessed are confirmed in good; they can no longer commit even the slightest venial sin; every wish of their heart is inspired by the purest love of God. That is, beyond doubt, Catholic doctrine. Moreover this impossibility of sinning is physical. The blessed have no longer the power of choosing to do evil actions; they cannot but love God; they are merely free to show that love by one good action in preference to another.



Since eternal happiness is metaphorically called a marriage of the soul with Christ, theologians also speak of the bridal endowments of the blessed. They distinguish seven of these gifts, four of which belong to the glorified body — light, impassibility, agility, subtility (see RESURRECTION); and three to the soul — vision, possession, enjoyment (visio, comprehensio, fruitio). Yet in the explanation given by the theologians of the three gifts of the soul we find but little conformity. We may identify the gift of vision with the habit of the light of glory, the gift of possession with the habit of that love in a wider sense which has found in God the fulfilment of its desires, and the gift of enjoyment we may identify with the habit of love properly so called (halitus caritatis) which rejoices to be with God; in this view these three infused habits would he considered simply as ornaments to beautify the soul. (Cf. St. Thomas, Supp:95)




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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2011, 11:01:24 PM »
Taasa pud nang imong tubag di ko kasabot

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2011, 01:57:17 AM »
Brother Vito,

Dili man ni ahong words, pero, mao ni ang words from the Roman Catholic Church concerning Heaven. They are, in my honest opinion, the most credible source in all things concerning systemic theology.



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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2011, 05:47:48 AM »
Pope Benedict XII , In the year of our Lord 1336, wrote the following concerning Heaven:

"We define that the souls of all the saints in heaven have seen and do see the Divine Essence by direct intuition and face to face [visione intuitivâ et etiam faciali], in such wise that nothing created intervenes as an object of vision, but the Divine Essence presents itself to their immediate gaze, unveiled, clearly and openly; moreover, that in this vision they enjoy the Divine Essence, and that, in virtue of this vision and this enjoyment, they are truly blessed and possess eternal life and eternal rest"

By that regard, and in recognition of the Infallability of the position of the Pontifical Chair of Peter, we can surmise, in confidence in the Established and True Church of Jesus Christ In Earth [The Holy, One, Apostolic Roman Catholic Church], that Heaven is indeed a true destination for those who pass on in the Peace of Jesus Christ. In addition, we can confidently surmise that being united with the vision of The Holy Lord God, all and every single satisfaction that the soul could ever dream of would be fulfilled. We know that all and every good thing in this physical life (love of family, love of friends, love of the Lord) comes and emanates from the Lord God. So, when the holy blessed soul is united with the Lord God via the beatific vision, there will be nothing else the soul yearns for.

All physical and emotional turmoil and sins are not possible and nor do they occur in Heaven. When the holy soul is purified in purgatory, his or her ascension into Heaven relegates that the passion of the soul is to yearn to be united with the Lord God Jesus Christ.

The blessed are confirmed in good; they can no longer commit even the slightest venial sin; every wish of their heart is inspired by the purest love of God. That is, beyond doubt, Catholic doctrine. Moreover this impossibility of sinning is physical. The blessed have no longer the power of choosing to do evil actions; they cannot but love God; they are merely free to show that love by one good action in preference to another.






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reference:  The Roman Catholic Encyclopedia
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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2011, 06:38:59 AM »
Taasa pud nang imong tubag di ko kasabot

He he, sa ato pa, Bay Vits, yes or no ra unta diay ang imong gipangayo nga tubag? ;D



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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2011, 10:32:02 PM »
He he, sa ato pa, Bay Vits, yes or no ra unta diay ang imong gipangayo nga tubag? ;D



Ikaw bai unsa man ang imong opinion ani?kung Ikaw mamatay mabata pa ba ka gihapon?

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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2011, 12:52:35 PM »
Hmm, gibalikbalik pa nakog basa ang taas nga explanation bay, unya ra ko motubag nimo kon makasabot na ko...



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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2011, 12:44:42 AM »
Hmm, gibalikbalik pa nakog basa ang taas nga explanation bay, unya ra ko motubag nimo kon makasabot na ko...



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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2011, 01:04:34 PM »
Very simple answer,Yes..., yes... kon bata ka mamatay bata ka gihapon throughout eternity  because we do not grow old in our spiritual life.

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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2011, 02:56:03 PM »
If we refer Jesus' message to the disciples concerning the children, ""Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these," see (Matthew 19:14), we have to take into consideration that Jesus is telling the disciples (and us) that children have a "absolute faith" in a belief. What Christ is telling us in this verse is that we all must have a child-like faith (a faith that does not doubt) in Him and in His Father. A child-like faith is an absolute faith, an undoubting faith, a holy faith. This effectively illustrates the basis and the attributes of the beatific vision.

This is reinforced by the definition of the beatific vision which His Holiness Pope Benedict XII expounded on in 1336:

"Since the passion and death of the Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and see the divine essence with an intuitive vision and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature by way of object of vision; rather the divine essence immediately manifests itself to them, plainly, clearly and openly, and in this vision they enjoy the divine essence .

Moreover, by this vision and enjoyment the souls of those who have already died are truly blessed and have eternal life and rest. Also the souls of those who will die in the future will see the same divine essence and will enjoy it before the general judgment."






Reference: BENEDICTUS DEUS, written by Pope Benedict XII (1336)
http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/b12bdeus.htm

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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2011, 10:06:59 PM »
Hmm, wa naman kunoy lawasay bay...

 
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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2011, 10:12:22 PM »
Very simple answer,Yes..., yes... kon bata ka mamatay bata ka gihapon throughout eternity  because we do not grow old in our spiritual life.
Unsa man edara pud kaha and imong pagkabatan-on sir?20's or 30's

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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2011, 10:24:20 PM »
ang lawas ra ang bata or tigulang ang kalag walay edad


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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2011, 11:05:02 PM »
ang lawas ra ang bata or tigulang ang kalag walay edad


Naa pa diay lawas?

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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2011, 03:07:47 AM »
One can find confidence in the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church in regards to the resurrection of the dead, as it was the discourse between the Early Church Fathers (Ecclesia Catholica) that established the foundation of Christian theology regarding the Resurrection of the saints.

The resurrection of the body is an essential Christian doctrine, as the apostle Paul declares: "If the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished" (1 Cor. 15:13–18).

The Fourth Lateran Council (1215), infallibly defined that at the second coming Jesus "will judge the living and the dead, to render to every person according to his works, both to the reprobate and to the elect. All of them will rise with their own bodies, which they now wear, so as to receive according to their deserts, whether these be good or bad [Rom. 2:6–11]" (constitution 1).

Most recently, the Catechism of the Catholic Church reiterated this long-defined teaching, stating, "‘We believe in the true resurrection of this flesh that we now possess’ (Council of Lyons II). We sow a corruptible body in the tomb, but he raises up an incorruptible body, a ‘spiritual body’ (cf. 1 Cor 15:42–44)" (CCC 1017).

As the following quotes from the Church Fathers show, this has been the historic teaching of the Christian faith on the matter since the very beginning.

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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2011, 03:38:18 AM »
Vito,

To answer your question, when the elect are raised from the dead, the bodies that they will acquire are spiritual in nature. There is a dichotomy between spiritual and physical body; the physical body is weak, corruptible, and sinful; the spiritual body is pure, incorruptible, and can no longer commit sin.

The spiritual body is so pure that even the clothes that will adorn the bodies of the elect will become white as snow because of the purity of the spiritual body. As radiant as the sun. This is an effect of the elect who has beheld the beatific vision-- to be able to see God and in full communion with Him.

Your question regarding whether or not we will have children's bodies in heaven, the bible does specifically make reference if we will look like children, however, it does talk about some features of the spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: 'The first man Adam became a living being'; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven." (1 Corinthians 15:42-29)

Please note that when Paul talks about the "the earthly man" he is referring to Adam. When he refers to "the man from heaven" he is referring to the 2nd Adam, Jesus Christ.

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Re: Kung bata pa mamatay,bata pa ba sya gihapon sa laing kinabuhi?
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2011, 05:34:49 AM »
Naa pa diay lawas?
ako lamang gikomparar ang lawas gikan sa kalag, ang lawas material apan ang kalag spiritual mao nga ang lawas ra ang motigulang apan ang kalag dili apektado sa time. sa eternidad dili man madala ang lawas nga physical kay sa kamatayon mobulag man ang kalag gikan sa lawas, mahibilin ug madugta ang lawas apan ang kalag magapadayon kun asa man niya(volitional) ikinabuhi ang eternity.

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« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2011, 06:32:16 AM »
Tita Lee is correct, the physical body is incompatible in the ethereal realm. Our mortal bodies are corruptible, weak, sin-ridden, imperfect, and mortal. This is why we need spiritual bodies as only spiritual bodies can last for eternity. The bible does not go into specifics in how the new body will look like or the specifics of the appearance. That is something that the elect will witness in the resurrection of the saints.

Please refer to the verse in 1st Corinthians Chapter 15 verses 51 -  53:

" Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."



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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2011, 05:53:53 PM »
ako lamang gikomparar ang lawas gikan sa kalag, ang lawas material apan ang kalag spiritual mao nga ang lawas ra ang motigulang apan ang kalag dili apektado sa time. sa eternidad dili man madala ang lawas nga physical kay sa kamatayon mobulag man ang kalag gikan sa lawas, mahibilin ug madugta ang lawas apan ang kalag magapadayon kun asa man niya(volitional) ikinabuhi ang eternity.

Naa diay lugar na padungan ang kalag?

Asa man pud padung  ang spirito sa tawo

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« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2011, 07:53:12 AM »
If one passes judgment , then the elect will enter New Jerusalem. If not, then the soul enters eternal damnation.

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