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« Reply #160 on: June 24, 2010, 05:49:55 AM »



Unsa man ni Bai Hubs terorista (suicide bomber) or  gi sentensyahan ni sija?

He he, nagpahari-hari man gud ning bakia mao nga ibala sa kwitis aron mamenos-menosan ang hypocrisy unja hopefully makat-on og gamay nga humility... :P

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« Reply #161 on: June 24, 2010, 05:52:26 AM »

Ms. Da Binsi dili na sija maoy watusi, ang tawag ana baby rocket.   :)

Baby rocket? Tungod ba kaha kay kining bakia mahilig mokaon og baby cake? Bwahaha! ;D

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« Reply #162 on: June 24, 2010, 07:00:58 AM »
Baby rocket? Tungod ba kaha kay kining bakia mahilig mokaon og baby cake? Bwahaha! ;D

c baby ...... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  ;D

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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #163 on: June 24, 2010, 08:25:31 AM »
c baby ...... whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  ;D


kinsa bay baby oi??? si baboy? kanang gi tudlo sa dalaginding sa imong avatar, Klasmet???

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« Reply #164 on: June 24, 2010, 08:39:20 AM »

kinsa bay baby oi??? si baboy? kanang gi tudlo sa dalaginding sa imong avatar, Klasmet???

Bwahaha! Baby baboy diay!

Tungod lagi aning poor eyesight nato, diha toy nisulat diri og "baby boy" unya akong basa kay "baboy"! Bwahaha! Ambot diin ra to... ;D  

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« Reply #165 on: June 24, 2010, 08:43:44 AM »

kinsa bay baby oi??? si baboy? kanang gi tudlo sa dalaginding sa imong avatar, Klasmet???

klasmet, pangutana kang bai hubs kinsa si baby c....  ;D

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« Reply #166 on: June 24, 2010, 10:22:55 AM »
"When pigs fly".Arabs and Jews are fighting for thousands of years.!

hehe, i like your choice of words, Cujo. Sensitive bitaw ni nga subject.

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« Reply #167 on: June 24, 2010, 10:29:09 AM »
age generally has everything to do with most things, from one’s health to this subject matter, the former as a matter of course and the latter in terms of perspectives.  (there are reasons for the minimum age for one to qualify for a driver’s license or to be qualified to vote, right?)   

gaining perspectives, in context, and gaining more knowledge takes time.  and one gains age with time.  (your understanding of your parents’ relationship with each other must be different now than when you were 6 years old, for example.  so it is with one’s understanding of everything else.)

when one is young, one tends to believe that everybody else is less knowledgeable.  mark twain put it thus:   

“When I was a boy of fourteen my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around.  But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man has learned in seven years.”

let any young one show his imagined mettle and chances are he’s bound to be put in his place.
 


Ma'am,

One's age has nothing to do with this subject, the point I was making was clear from the beginning, which was in support of State's post on the origins. My inference merely added technicality in that the Romans were responsible for the term 'Palestine', and being of foreign influence. Prior to Roman occupation and political meddling (cultural, as well), the region was known as Judea.

The additional post you made to correct grammar merely strayed from the main point. Personal inferences such as parenting and what not has nothing to do with the subject matter. Age or lack of years does not mitigate my point. Thank you for your point, tho.


Let me bring back my point:
Islander, if i may infer:

Prior to the Great Jewish Revolt, present day Israel was known as Judea, it was only after the pacification of many Jewish revolts that the Romans changed the name from Judea to Palestine.

When the Romans exerted their influence in Judea in 63BC, this lead to hostility between the two peoples and would later lead to the Roman pacification of Jewish revolts and thus lead to the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70AD. The Jews would later revolt in the 2nd century AD in what is known as the Bar Kokhba uprising, which lead to a prompt and devastating Roman response. The Romans implemented an ancient world version of 'Shock And Awe' by destroying and razing Jerusalem to the ground and pacified the Jews in Judea, thereby forcing the Jewish people in a diaspora. Many of whom were forced to leave for Hispaniola and Central Europe. The Jews in Iberia would later be called Sephardi Jews and the Jews in present day central and eastern europe would be called the Ashkenazi Jews.

Rome, by Imperial Promulgation under the reign of Emperor Hadrian, renamed Judea ("Provincia Judea") into Palestine ("Syria Palaestina") in order to erase the memory of the Jews. The Arabs then came to settle Judea (since it was devoid of its original inhabitants). The Byzantines retained the Roman name and modified it to "Palastinia Sultaris"; and when Byzantium was conquered by the Ottoman Turks, it was renamed to Falastin; the Arabs have retained the term Falastin. The English equivalent of Falastin is: Palestine.

Prior to the Great Revolt, the Arab presence in Judea was minimal. Hebrews dominated the land, and it was only after Hadrian sent 12 Roman legions (a force of about 60,000 men) to pacify Judea did their presence fall. Rome tried to exterminate the Jews in that savage campaign, as it did with the Carthaginians in their 3 Punic Wars. The difference here is that Rome did erase Carthage from the known world, even as much as pouring salt over Carthage and enslaved its entire population, thereby stamping out the only rival to Roman domination of the Mediterranean World. Rome, however, was not successful in regards to its extermination of the Jews. While Rome did destroy Jerusalem and forced the Hebrews in a global diaspora, the Jews outlived the Roman Empire, and have resettled their original homeland. The descendants of Abraham continue to pray before the wall of the Great Temple, while, the Eagle of Rome has long rusted into oblivion.

Note: all an every power that tried to exterminate the Jews all failed. Alexander's Empire collapsed, Babylon collapsed, The Roman Empire collapsed , Nazi Germany collapsed, and most recently the Arab nations that tried to stamp out Israel were defeated in all of its wars with Israel.



We're not veering from the topic, rather, my little inference was just to remind you that Palestine was not the original name. The term Palestine was a foreign (Roman, to be exact) impression on the near east. So it gives credence to States' statement.

And as far as I know, Crete was ruled by the Greeks. That island was ruled by the ancient Minoans (Mycenaean), who were Greek-speaking people. The island was (and is)  linked to the mainland Greek-city states (Greek League). So could have the Philistines been from Crete? Sure, since Crete was part of the Greek League, and since the Philistines were Greek-speaking people.
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http://www.ancient-greece.org/








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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #168 on: June 24, 2010, 10:30:44 AM »
usa lang ang solution dihang lugara, i-take over ng UN ang pang governo diha.

hehehe, it was the UN that recognized the Jewish State, following the standards of the Balfour Declaration (or as what anti-Semites would deem it as~ Zionist Expansionism).

It was the UN and the west that did not consider the peoples that lived in present-day Palestine and nullified their sense of nationhood and independence by giving autonomy to Palestine under the banner of Israel. Resolution 181 declared that there would be two nations: Israel and Palestine, however, had wars that led to the concession of Palestinian-controlled lands till their zone of control was West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Who is to blame for the current situation? Well one has to understand that since after WWII and an estimated 6-12 million European Jews were exterminated in German concentration camps, the western powers felt it necessary to establish a Jewish state for the Jews, what better location than Palestine (their ancestral home); tho other plans suggested resettling Jews in other parts of North Africa and in the interior.

Is Israel to be blamed? Good question, indeed.

Let's talk about it.

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« Reply #169 on: June 25, 2010, 12:42:12 AM »
hehe, i like your choice of words, Cujo. Sensitive bitaw ni nga subject.

The choice of words shows that this is a sensitive subject? Come on...

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« Reply #170 on: June 25, 2010, 12:59:41 AM »
hehehe, it was the UN that recognized the Jewish State, following the standards of the Balfour Declaration (or as what anti-Semites would deem it as~ Zionist Expansionism).

It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

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« Reply #171 on: June 25, 2010, 01:11:28 AM »
dili lang ta diri kay naay gyera....bwahahhaha

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« Reply #172 on: June 25, 2010, 01:14:17 AM »
The choice of words shows that this is a sensitive subject? Come on...
Now,now Mr.Ribbit don't drag me with my simple comment.I enjoy your responds and have a good laugh so lets leave it that way.I read all the responds about this thread from  all of you intellegent people.Ms.Isle for one hold her own.So keep on debating and I will keep reading.Ha Ha

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« Reply #173 on: June 25, 2010, 01:32:28 AM »
Now,now Mr.Ribbit don't drag me with my simple comment.I enjoy your responds and have a good laugh so lets leave it that way.I read all the responds about this thread from  all of you intellegent people.Ms.Isle for one hold her own.So keep on debating and I will keep reading.Ha Ha

Bwahaha. You're not being dragged into this, Ms. Cujo. You're in fact being dragged out of it, my statement being that your perfectly innocuous statement was grossly misintepreted, nay, misappropriated, to serve a stupid observation.

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« Reply #174 on: June 25, 2010, 01:39:39 AM »
It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

Is it?

Then how would you explain the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, where the coalition of Arab nations namely Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and other military supporters of the Arab Legion tried to literally drive Israel to the ocean, in an attempt to 'stamp out' the light of Israel? Three times the Arab nations tried to exterminate the existence of Israel, three times they lost all conflicts due to Israeli tactical precision in land and air. It was only after the Israeli Defense Forces successfully took air supremacy in the region when it pummeled Egypt's Air Force , leading to the Israeli victory over Egyptian armored vehicles , and the subsequent Israeli victories against Syria, Jordan, Lebanon etc did these countries sue for peace for a war that they forcibly brought onto Israel. Where was the 'recognition of newly independent states' ? On the contrary, there was no recognition until the aggressors were defeated in the field of battle, a war that they started.  

On the contrary, by your precedent, these Arab nations failed to embody that 'peaceful' recognition of nations as in Israelis Independence in 1947, which she had to fight and secure in self defense.

The United Nations is not a nation state, true, but it is an organization composed of 192 nations (most of the world) that works to acquire and retain world peace, enacts peace-keeping missions, economic welfare, medical standards, and provides as a platform for dialogue in the international body politic.

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« Reply #175 on: June 25, 2010, 01:42:41 AM »
Is it?

Then how would you explain the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, where the colation of Arab nations namely Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and other military supporters of the Arab Legion tried to literally drive Israel to the ocean, in an attempt to 'stamp out' the light of Israel? Three times the Arab nations tried to exterminate the existence of Israel, three times they lost all conflicts due to Israeli tactical precision in land and air. It was only after the Israeli Defense Forces successfully took air supremacy in the region when it pummeled Egypt's Air Force , leading to the Israeli victory over Egyptian armored vehicles , and the subsequent Israeli victories against Syria, Jordan, Lebanon etc did these countries sue for peace for a war that they forcibly brought onto Israel.

On the contrary, by your precedent, these Arab nations failed to imbody that 'peaceful' recognition of nations as in Israelis Independence in 1947, which she had to fight and secure in self defense.

The United Nations is not a nation state, true, but it is an organization composed of 192 nations (most of the world) that works to acquire and retain world peace, enacts peace-keeping missions, economic welfare, medical standards, and provides as a platform for dialogue in the international body politic.

Best,

Please review, or read for the first time, a primer on international relations.

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« Reply #176 on: June 25, 2010, 01:43:59 AM »
I have, and have given you an answer to your little inference.

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« Reply #177 on: June 25, 2010, 01:46:11 AM »
You stated, "it is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states."

Israel declared its independence and was granted it in 1947, the Arab nations (namely Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq) immediately failed to accept this and declared war on Israel in 1948. They implemented and activated military operations against Israel, which forced Israel to defend itself. Where was the 'recognition' of the newly formed state of Israel by these neighbors?

On the contrary, the Arab nations that went to war with Israel over its independence, failed in that 'prerogative'.

Please, read your own. :)

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« Reply #178 on: June 25, 2010, 01:47:41 AM »
It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

Is it?

Then how would you explain the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, where the coalition of Arab nations namely Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Iraq and other military supporters of the Arab Legion tried to literally drive Israel to the ocean, in an attempt to 'stamp out' the light of Israel? Three times the Arab nations tried to exterminate the existence of Israel, three times they lost all conflicts due to Israeli tactical precision in land and air. It was only after the Israeli Defense Forces successfully took air supremacy in the region when it pummeled Egypt's Air Force , leading to the Israeli victory over Egyptian armored vehicles , and the subsequent Israeli victories against Syria, Jordan, Lebanon etc did these countries sue for peace for a war that they forcibly brought onto Israel. Where was the 'recognition of newly independent states' ? On the contrary, there was no recognition until the aggressors were defeated in the field of battle, a war that they started. 

On the contrary, by your precedent, these Arab nations failed to embody that 'peaceful' recognition of new nations as in Israel's Independence in 1947, which she had to fight and secure in self defense.

The United Nations is not a nation state, true, but it is an organization composed of 192 nations (most of the world) that works to acquire and retain world peace, enacts peace-keeping missions, economic welfare, medical standards, and provides as a platform for dialogue in the international body politic.

Best,

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« Reply #179 on: June 25, 2010, 01:56:24 AM »
You stated, "it is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states."

Israel declared its independence and was granted it in 1947, the Arab nations (namely Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq) immediately failed to accept this and declared war on Israel in 1948. They implemented and activated military operations against Israel, which forced Israel to defend itself. Where was the 'recognition' of the newly formed state of Israel by these neighbors?

Please, read your own. :)

You're confused by too much data without basic understanding of concepts, my friend. Not even of simple words. Do you understand what "prerogative" means? Please look it up. What happened was that the Arab nations exercised their prerogative to NOT recognize Israel.

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« Reply #180 on: June 25, 2010, 01:59:12 AM »
You're confused by too much data without basic understanding of concepts, my friend. Not even of simple words. Do you understand what "prerogative" means? Please look it up. What happened was that the Arab nations exercised their prerogative to NOT recognize Israel.

On the contrary, I have an understanding of the matter and subject, you however are too busy in the analysis of words and not on the subject matter.

The Arab nations did not recognize Israel's independence in 1947, and declared war in 1948, which nullifies your statement on how it is the 'prerogative' of nation states to recognize new nation states.

This is the very reason why we have the UN. Without the UN, there would be no dialogue. And in the end, after the 3 wars with Israel, the so called Arab nations are now trading with Israel, enact cultural missions etc. Thanks for the role of the UN in social interaction, so to say, between nations.


Keep it up, my friend.


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« Reply #181 on: June 25, 2010, 02:01:03 AM »
You're confused by too much data without basic understanding of concepts, my friend. Not even of simple words. Do you understand what "prerogative" means? Please look it up. What happened was that the Arab nations exercised their prerogative to NOT recognize Israel.

You are changing your statement now. Next time be specific in your statement, as you originally said:

It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states.

You did not say NOT recognize. Now you are changing your statement. :)




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« Reply #182 on: June 25, 2010, 02:11:02 AM »
On the contrary, I have an understanding of the matter and subject, you however are too busy in the analysis of words and not on the subject matter.

The Arab nations did not recognize Israel's independence in 1947, and declared war in 1948, which nullifies your statement on how it is the 'prerogative' of nation states to recognize new nation states.

This is the very reason why we have the UN. Without the UN, there would be no dialogue. And in the end, after the 3 wars with Israel, the so called Arab nations are now trading with Israel, enact cultural missions etc. Thanks for the role of the UN in social interaction, so to say, between nations.


Keep it up, my friend.


You seem to understand "prerogative" as "obligation", which is wrong, and pathetically illiterate. Prerogative refers to the power, privilege or right to do something, or not to do it. In other words, when I say that it is the prerogative of existing states to recognize a newly-established state, it means that it is up to existing states to recognize a newly-established state or not. 

Oh, Lorenzo, you really make me sick.

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« Reply #183 on: June 25, 2010, 02:14:24 AM »
You seem to understand "prerogative" as "obligation", which is wrong, and pathetically illiterate. Prerogative refers to the power, privilege or right to do something, or not to do it. In other words, when I say that it is the prerogative of existing states to recognize a newly-established state, it means that it is up to existing states to recognize a newly-established state or not.  

Oh, Lorenzo, you really make me sick.


Merriam Webster Dictionary defines the word prerogative as:

1 a : an exclusive or special right, power, or privilege: as (1) : one belonging to an office or an official body (2) : one belonging to a person, group, or class of individuals (3)  : one possessed by a nation as an attribute of sovereignty b : the discretionary power inhering in the British Crown
2 : a distinctive excellence

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You used the word in your sentence as:

It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

The way you used this word in your sentence was to infer how it was the right of nations to recognize new nation states (if we go by the 1st definition of the word). Yes, it is the right of a nation state to recognize a new nation state.

However, you have moved from your original statement from recognizing to not recognizing.

I would say , be more specific in what you say. One could translate this as indecisive? :)



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Re: Do you believe there can be peace between Israel and Palestine?
« Reply #184 on: June 25, 2010, 02:15:01 AM »
Ma'am,

One's age has nothing to do with this subject, the point I was making was clear from the beginning, which was in support of State's post on the origins. My inference merely added technicality in that the Romans were responsible for the term 'Palestine', and being of foreign influence. Prior to Roman occupation and political meddling (cultural, as well), the region was known as Judea.

The additional post you made to correct grammar merely strayed from the main point. Personal inferences such as parenting and what not has nothing to do with the subject matter. Age or lack of years does not mitigate my point. Thank you for your point, tho.


Let me bring back my point:



sir,

age or lack of years does mitigate your point because it has not yet sharpened your understanding of things, such as this subject.  it is your age (i wouldn’t say it is your intelligence) that makes you insist on your point, which are dulled by many other things aside from age.

for one, let’s look into your insistence of support of “states’ post on the origins” of the philistines (in crete, in this case).  no question; support states all you can, but for you to say that i “undermined her” is another matter.  all i did was to answer that philistines did not only come from crete but from other places as well.  is that difficult to understand?
 
whew!  one cannot “add technicality” to history.  what had happened, happened.  take note that no one is questioning that it was the romans who changed the name of judea to palestine.  but for you to bring this up (over and over) and end with a conclusion of sorts is what confuses about what you want to convey.     

now please answer me.  why bring up “all and every power that tried to exterminate the jews all failed” in a thread that asks if peace is possible between two peoples?  care to insist some more that you did not veer away from the subject?

so palestine was once judea.  so the romans were responsible for the name judea.  judging from your repeated posts, you seem to be siding with the israelis.  because palestine was once judea?  is that what you are trying to say? 

if you started this thread to justify the israelis, you needn’t have asked then if peace is possible between israel and palestine.  you could simply have asked if israelis could prevail over palestinians.  then can you defend israelis all you can.         

my “additional post” on your grammar and “inferences on parenting” are mere arguments (or examples) of what age and experience or lack thereof can have some bearing on one’s understanding of things, like geopolitics in this case.

but let us grant that my bringing these two things up has nothing to do with the subject.  using your logic then, is your claim therefore that i “undermined” states or that “all and every power that tried to exterminate the jews all failed” have everything to do with the subject?

p.s. i’m getting dumb and dumber answering your sickening points. 


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« Reply #185 on: June 25, 2010, 02:15:51 AM »
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« Reply #186 on: June 25, 2010, 02:18:07 AM »
sir,

age or lack of years does mitigate your point because it has not yet sharpened your understanding of things, such as this subject.  it is your age (i wouldn’t say it is your intelligence) that makes you insist on your point, which are dulled by many other things aside from age.

for one, let’s look into your insistence of support of “states’ post on the origins” of the philistines (in crete, in this case).  no question; support states all you can, but for you to say that i “undermined her” is another matter.  all i did was to answer that philistines did not only come from crete but from other places as well.  is that difficult to understand?
 
whew!  one cannot “add technicality” to history.  what had happened, happened.  take note that no one is questioning that it was the romans who changed the name of judea to palestine.  but for you to bring this up (over and over) and end with a conclusion of sorts is what confuses about what you want to convey.     

now please answer me.  why bring up “all and every power that tried to exterminate the jews all failed” in a thread that asks if peace is possible between two peoples?  care to insist some more that you did not veer away from the subject?

so palestine was once judea.  so the romans were responsible for the name judea.  judging from your repeated posts, you seem to be siding with the israelis.  because palestine was once judea?  is that what you are trying to say? 

if you started this thread to justify the israelis, you needn’t have asked then if peace is possible between israel and palestine.  you could simply have asked if israelis could prevail over palestinians.  then can you defend israelis all you can.         

my “additional post” on your grammar and “inferences on parenting” are mere arguments (or examples) of what age and experience or lack thereof can have some bearing on one’s understanding of things, like geopolitics in this case.

but let us grant that my bringing these two things up has nothing to do with the subject.  using your logic then, is your claim therefore that i “undermined” states or that “all and every power that tried to exterminate the jews all failed” have everything to do with the subject?



Ma'am,

That was the only reason for my post was to provide the historical reasoning of the term Judea and Palestine. Nothing more, nothing less.
As it provides a historical tid bit of information for both sides (pro and contra). So far, it has worked. Of course, in light of this discussion.

Is peace possible between Israel and Palestine?

I would have to say that it seems quite dim, however, for those who are interested in the subject, to properly understand the reasons for the difficulties in the peace processes, one has to have an understanding in the historical premises of both sides and their arguments.

Lest we are left to ignorance in the matter.

Is peace possible?
We leave that to people to decide. However, its good to know the history of something before one decides.



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« Reply #187 on: June 25, 2010, 02:21:20 AM »

Merriam Webster Dictionary defines the word prerogative as:

1 a : an exclusive or special right, power, or privilege: as (1) : one belonging to an office or an official body (2) : one belonging to a person, group, or class of individuals (3)  : one possessed by a nation as an attribute of sovereignty b : the discretionary power inhering in the British Crown
2 : a distinctive excellence

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You used the word in your sentence as:

It is the prerogative of existing states to recognize newly-established states. The UN, not being a state, is not in the position to recognize the existence of states.

The way you used this word in your sentence was to infer how it was the right of nations to recognize new nation states (if we go by the 1st definition of the word). Yes, it is the right of a nation state to recognize a new nation state.

However, you have moved from your original statement from recognizing to not recognizing.

I would say , be more specific in what you say. One could translate this as indecisive? :)



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« Reply #188 on: June 25, 2010, 02:39:40 AM »
During the 2004-2005 academic year, I took a history class called "History of the Middle East" taught by Professor T. Suleiman.

The final exam in this class was quite interesting in that one had to defend a side; I defended the Palestinian cause, and cited the Israeli human rights violations, while my colleague in the opposing, Robert Ayer, defended the Israeli side and the reasons for the Israeli Settlement and the wall that divides The West Bank from Israel proper.

The reason why I chose the Palestinian side was because I wanted to get inside the reasoning for their adamant protest, and to also learn more about their political and military agenda. It was quite enlightening, and one that was brought to light in our live debate-lecture as the auditorium was filled to capacity (200+) students in the History Auditorium at Allegheny College.

I came out of that debate/discussion and research better informed of the situation and sympathetic on the Palestinian side. I understand the Israeli defensive position, yet at the same time i am sympathetic to the Palestinian civil rights abuses. I also understand that the issue of Palestine is used as a ploy for many arab nations to gather the attention of their populace in order to relieve pressure on their own governments. It is, indeed, a sensitive subject, one because the world politic wants peace to this. They say something, but actions reflect the antithesis. There are too many intricacies in this region to allow peace; the jihadiislamofascists want the destruction of Israel because it will bring the end of the world, and the coming of Prophet Issa. There are right wing evangelical christians who want war because it will lead to the End of Days etc. The Israelis and Orthodox Jews want to remove the Al-aqsa mosque (considered a holy site for muslims, because this is the sight that Prophet Muhummad (PBUH) flew to), and this would lead to a Jihad.

Remember in 2000 when Ariel Sharon tried to enter the Al-asqa mosque grounds, it lead to the Intifada of 2000.



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« Reply #189 on: June 25, 2010, 03:03:19 AM »
Yes, i'm sure with that, that there will be a peace someday at that place if both of them agreed to quit claiming to reigns at area and they should consider that area as International Community.

Perhaps, someday, Vistabel.

When religion is not used as pretext to political and military action, perhaps.

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« Reply #190 on: June 25, 2010, 03:25:10 AM »
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« Reply #191 on: June 25, 2010, 03:31:30 AM »
hangyo lang kog 19.99 bucks/hour, six gives.  mao ray akong kaya, labi na karon nga nagparok-parok na akong ulo.  naa, mag-dark glasses na lang ko aron di mailhan nga nangadlawon na ko diri. 8)

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« Reply #192 on: June 25, 2010, 03:39:03 AM »
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« Reply #193 on: June 25, 2010, 03:40:49 AM »
lol, its just a point of view, sir. Despite your negative view of me, Hubag, I still respect  you.

Cheers.

point of view?  weird.  how can one have a point of view about fixed subjects like "prerogative" and "states"?  it's like saying that lorenzo is a boy, but my point of view is he's a girl.  or how about saying that the united states of america is a country, but my point of view is that it's a barangay road.

one can only be either right or wrong in that lorenzo-hubag dialogue.

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« Reply #194 on: June 25, 2010, 03:46:28 AM »
Bwahaha. You're not being dragged into this, Ms. Cujo. You're in fact being dragged out of it, my statement being that your perfectly innocuous statement was grossly misintepreted, nay, misappropriated, to serve a stupid observation.

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« Reply #195 on: June 25, 2010, 03:47:38 AM »
Kaluuy pood nimo, Ma'am. Adto sa cabinet and grab a Tylenol.

thanks.  but ever since tylenol was contaminated in the u.s. that resulted to some deaths, i've avoided this over-the-counter medicine.  so how are you?  would a neurobion do you good?   

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« Reply #196 on: June 25, 2010, 03:55:07 AM »
Ma'am,

That was the only reason for my post was to provide the historical reasoning of the term Judea and Palestine. Nothing more, nothing less.
As it provides a historical tid bit of information for both sides (pro and contra). So far, it has worked. Of course, in light of this discussion.

Is peace possible between Israel and Palestine?

I would have to say that it seems quite dim, however, for those who are interested in the subject, to properly understand the reasons for the difficulties in the peace processes, one has to have an understanding in the historical premises of both sides and their arguments.

Lest we are left to ignorance in the matter.

Is peace possible?
We leave that to people to decide. However, its good to know the history of something before one decides.


now you say you “provide”.  in your earlier posts, you stated that “your inference was to remind” me.  later, you wanted “to clarify”.  i can hardly wait for you to want to exorcise.
 
too bad, we cannot decide on peace in those lands by merely knowing the historical background.  we can draw our own conclusions about the possibility of peace.  but decide?  who are we?

the best lesson for this discussion though is never to presume ignorance in other people.  about time you let this work for you.



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« Reply #197 on: June 25, 2010, 03:56:40 AM »
thanks.  but ever since tylenol was contaminated in the u.s. that resulted to some deaths, i've avoided this over-the-counter medicine.  so how are you?  would a neurobion do you good?   

Kamusta man ka ma'am? How's everything? For me, okay lang (can't complain), getting read for my vacation to Philippines. :)
I'm leaving in a week and couple days so just organizing things, and at same time, spending time with my brothers (just recently went with my younger brother to get his driver's permit--and my other younger brother,--been spending time with them.

In regards to tylenol, if you don't want the american-brand, im sure you can find the generic brand in the philippines or in the nation you are staying. Contraindicated baya ning tylenol for patients with gastric ulcuers (so if you have that, then dont take it).

Neurobion is (if i recollect properly) for vitamin deficient peoples as its an synergist of Vitamins B1,6, 12. This is good for patients who have a history of anemia (megaloblastic, pernicious). If you're taking neurobion for a deficiency, id suggest you take also multivitamin tablets that covers the whole spectrum.

In regards to treating your headache, the 1st line therapy is usually aspirin (contraindicated in young kids), or NSAIDS.

But one could also take alternative treatment such as a massage.





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« Reply #198 on: June 25, 2010, 03:57:50 AM »
now you say you “provide”.  in your earlier posts, you stated that “your inference was to remind” me.  later, you wanted “to clarify”.  i can hardly wait for you to want to exorcise.
 
too bad, we cannot decide on peace in those lands by merely knowing the historical background.  we can draw our own conclusions about the possibility of peace.  but decide?  who are we?

the best lesson for this discussion though is never to presume ignorance in other people.  about time you let this work for you.



I never presumed ignorance on anyone, merely sharing a point of view and a historical analysis. Simple truth.
How one takes the message and interprets it is their own choosing.

I defend my point tho, Ma'am.

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