Author Topic: Are Vices An Ultimate Stimulant At The State Of Depression? (Read 3051 times)

Vistabel · « **on:** July 30, 2009, 12:28:59 AM »

what do you think?

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mistyeyed · « **Reply #1 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:15:28 PM »

Nop. Maybe temporarily for others but it can lead to another problem.Magpatong patong na hinuon kay sulbaronon pa nimo imo present vices.

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Vistabel · « **Reply #2 on:** August 08, 2009, 07:49:40 PM »

I thought vices aren't bad if couldn't be abused and we should think that everything in this world it has role so that the world does function normally.

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mistyeyed · « **Reply #3 on:** August 08, 2009, 07:55:48 PM »

I thought vices aren't bad if couldn't be abused and we should think that everything in this world it has role so that the world does function normally.

Yap its sure but sometimes ig mata nimo makurat nalang ka na na abuse na diay nimo,uwahi na ang pag pugong,probs napod ka.

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Vistabel · « **Reply #4 on:** August 08, 2009, 08:19:01 PM »

i think even to have another woman, this vice is helpful to those who needs satisfaction that he has never been achieved from his legal partner. Wat do u tink

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Vistabel · « **Reply #5 on:** August 08, 2009, 08:24:56 PM »

ang tanan may ending exept diamond that it last forever as they said but i dont no sab about it, dili na ulahi yan na ang katapusan so better to say end of his/her life.

Yap its sure but sometimes ig mata nimo makurat nalang ka na na abuse na diay nimo,uwahi na ang pag pugong,probs napod ka.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 08, 2009, 11:34:47 PM »

you mean vices can help overcome your depression?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #7 on:** August 09, 2009, 12:50:21 AM »

Vistabel,

Depression is a psychotic state due to the imbalance of serotonin, and dopamine levels in the brain, particularly in the neurohumoral cortex producing regions.
This is due to the inhibitory and derangement of the levodopa pahtway either due to a mutation of the COMT inhibitor or the MAO (monoamine oxidase) pathway.

Depression can be easily fixed not by stimulation, but by selective serotonine receptor inhibitors (SSRIs) or Selective serotonin-norepinephrine receptor inhibitors (SNRIs).

Or if the condition of depression is part of a bipolar state (manic depressant), we can easily treat the condition by giving the patient with Haloperidol (Haldol) or Lithium salts.

Again, depression is a psychotic state, if left unreated---can develop into manic depression (bi-polar disorder; happy one moment and then severely depressed the next) and consequences to the patient suffering from it. These people have self-destructive tendencies--suicide is a common consequence if they're left alone and or untreated for prolonged periods of time.

Its a neurological disease.
A condition that is hormonal-based.

Chemical therapy is the best treatment.
Not 'vices'.

That kind of mentality is nostalgic of an uneducated society; common in uneducated/ illiterate regions of the world.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #8 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:23:23 AM »

daghan man uban nga mo refuse ug treatment, like taking some medication, then what one should do? others have some diversion dili lang vices. i dont think vices is the best therapy. there are lots of activities out there mga maka hupay sa balatian. like moadto ka sa park makig duwa ug any kind of sports ka if you are athletic or workout. workout for me is the best therapy for depression. sa akoa lang sad na.

Dodong if you could explain sa effect of workout or vices sa serotonin kay di ko kamao, kay preha man na sila ug effectsa brain. mao nga instead mag vice ka why not workout then?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #9 on:** August 09, 2009, 01:41:24 AM »

Dili ta ka compare ug herbalics or homeopathic to chemical therapy in some instances.

Working out helps in some instances, pero some individuals who are clinically depressed, they have a neurological condition. Some are chronically depressed because of a depressed serotonin pathway, or a dopamine pathway. Even exercise cannot remedy these instances. That is why supplementary medication is used; chemical therapy is basically human hormones that are created and taken via- oral or parenteral form to supplement that particular hormonal deficiency.

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I can give you an example of a severe psychotic disease: Schizophrenia.
This is due to excessive dopamine activity in the brain--leading to hallucinations, paranoia, catatonic states, marked depression etc.

Exercise cannot solve this. Nor can herbalics. Since the mechanism of action of the disease is due to the derangement of COMT-inhibitors and MAO-Inhibitors.
This is critical because we know that excessive dopaminergic activity causes psychosis/psychotic states. So, therefore, if we have a depression/inhibition of the inhibitor pathway (the ANTI-COMTS, and ANTI-MAOS are inhibitors)---this leads to the exacerbation of the depressive phenomena. Right?

OF COURSE!

So, we treat this by taking anti-dopinamergic drugs whose main goal is to metabolize the excess dopamine within the CNS. This requires pharmacological science since very few endogenous enzymes cross the CNS barrier--so doctors and pharmacologists design drugs than can cross teh BBB(blood brain barrier) and are lipid soluble and inhibit the and degrade the excessive dopamine within the brain that is responsible for the psychotic symptoms.

The problems in depressio is that its not only just a hormonal deficiency.
Sometimes its a deranged hormonal machine, or a deficiency of an inhibitory pathway.
In that case, medical intervention is the Only cure.

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Vistabel · « **Reply #10 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:06:16 AM »

i'm not pro-vices and anti-vices too, very one of us has different vision in life we don't have right to judge anyone lifestyle because that's their choice for their life, unless they don't give hassle to their fellow i think everything alright.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 09, 2009, 02:22:16 AM »

And I provided the answer to your query.
Vice is not a stimulant in depression.
Vice is a discription of a sin, actions that are immoral.

The only treatment or 'stimulation' for depressive states is proper hormonal treatment.

Some drink alcohol when they're depressed. But alcohol is already, in itself, as a chemical derivative of ethanol, a depressant. Its sole mechanism of action is to depress the CNS.

So that can't 'stimulate' anything when depressed; since its chemical action is to depress.

Depressing an already depressed CNS is the very anithesis of treatment. That is what we term in medicine as 'self destructive action'.

Simple ra man ni. Depression is a condition that can be easily remedied.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 09, 2009, 10:19:16 AM »

i'm not pro-vices and anti-vices too, very one of us has different vision in life we don't have right to judge anyone lifestyle because that's their choice for their life, unless they don't give hassle to their fellow i think everything alright.

if you mean using VICES to assuage a problem like depression, i know it can be done, but the cure is only temporary.

the best way to release from such problem is to seek professional help and change of lifestyle.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #13 on:** August 09, 2009, 10:54:26 AM »

i'm not pro-vices and anti-vices too, very one of us has different vision in life we don't have right to judge anyone lifestyle because that's their choice for their life, unless they don't give hassle to their fellow i think everything alright.

abi nimo Vista, naa na bitaw mga naghikog na nga mga depressive kay kasagaran nila di naman lang mo seek ug help sa mga friends kay ang ubang friends di man makasabut ug unsa ang depression, ang mga depressive ra jud ang makasabot sa mga tawo nga naay depression. naay uban nga mauwaw nalang mo sulti sa ilang gibati kay mostly ma misunderstood jud na sila.

I have seasonal depression kada winter, lahi sad na nga klase kay ako natawo man sa tropical nga lugar, ug mo ngitngit mamingaw na dayun akong gibati. pero ug hayag di man sad mo tokar...Mao bitaw nga ang akong rigid nga workout mag sugod sa fall to spring. kay mao man na akong diversion. gawas sa wa nay laing mabuhat nga outdoor, tugnaw pa jud.

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mistyeyed · « **Reply #14 on:** August 09, 2009, 12:31:02 PM »

i think even to have another woman, this vice is helpful to those who needs satisfaction that he has never been achieved from his legal partner. Wat do u tink

This kind of vices is very dangerous not only to the guy but to the girl involved and most of all the family of both sides.For me if you are not satisfied with your legal partner,ask yourself why,maybe you yourself is the problem but not your partner that's why you're not satisfied.

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mistyeyed · « **Reply #15 on:** August 09, 2009, 12:36:09 PM »

Vistabel,

Depression is a psychotic state due to the imbalance of serotonin, and dopamine levels in the brain, particularly in the neurohumoral cortex producing regions.
This is due to the inhibitory and derangement of the levodopa pahtway either due to a mutation of the COMT inhibitor or the MAO (monoamine oxidase) pathway.

Depression can be easily fixed not by stimulation, but by selective serotonine receptor inhibitors (SSRIs) or Selective serotonin-norepinephrine receptor inhibitors (SNRIs).

Or if the condition of depression is part of a bipolar state (manic depressant), we can easily treat the condition by giving the patient with Haloperidol (Haldol) or Lithium salts.

Again, depression is a psychotic state, if left unreated---can develop into manic depression (bi-polar disorder; happy one moment and then severely depressed the next) and consequences to the patient suffering from it. These people have self-destructive tendencies--suicide is a common consequence if they're left alone and or untreated for prolonged periods of time.

Its a neurological disease.
A condition that is hormonal-based.

Chemical therapy is the best treatment.
Not 'vices'.

That kind of mentality is nostalgic of an uneducated society; common in uneducated/ illiterate regions of the world.

I agree with you Lorenz,vices can only lead to additional problem.Looking for solution to your depression in a wrong way can lead you to more depressed lalo na pag maka realized naka na you've done wrong and you hurt your loved one because of your vices,ma depressed ka na naman.Mura kag ga tuyok tuyok ra sa imong problema.

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Vistabel · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2009, 02:50:41 AM »

good suggestions bai Glace, appreciated.

if you mean using VICES to assuage a problem like depression, i know it can be done, but the cure is only temporary.

the best way to release from such problem is to seek professional help and change of lifestyle.

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2009, 05:03:32 AM »

Mo too ko ani nga theory.

Pero dili maayo kung imong buhaton. Mo samot lang noon imong problema inig kahuman. Parehas ra gud sa nag hubog-hubog para makatilaw ug temporary nga kalipay, unya pag huwasan na, mobalik gihapon ang depression, plus the hang-over.

Ang tambal ug depression sa mga Bol-anon simple lang. Mag open ka lang ug Tubag Bohol.

Pero ang the best cure sa depression is walking outdoors, wearing a big smile in your face and greeting people you meet. The best time to do this is morning before 9 am or afternoon after 4 pm. Siempre kung maglakaw ka ug udtong totok, mo samot noon imong depression, mahimo nang kalbaryo.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2009, 06:07:57 AM »

Mo too ko ani nga theory.

Pero dili maayo kung imong buhaton. Mo samot lang noon imong problema inig kahuman. Parehas ra gud sa nag hubog-hubog para makatilaw ug temporary nga kalipay, unya pag huwasan na, mobalik gihapon ang depression, plus the hang-over.

Ang tambal ug depression sa mga Bol-anon simple lang. Mag open ka lang ug Tubag Bohol.

tinood kana. open an acct in TB. pero, magbantay lang ka sa imong mga binuang kay unyag ma-banned ka, ma-depress na pod. hahahahaha

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2009, 06:13:11 AM »

Hahaha bilib gyud ko nimo Glace kay witty ka kaayo. Naa permi punchline.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 10, 2009, 06:25:59 AM »

daghan ra tawng na-depress aning kalakiha, macks, tuas pikas na lang nagpahungaw hahahaha. tig-bisita pod ka didto?

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #21 on:** August 10, 2009, 06:30:04 AM »

Mobisita man pod ko osahay ug mag tan-aw tan-aw kung dunay extra time.

Dire ra ko permi oy, panagsa ra man gani ko makabasa sa mga topics kay busy ko permi.

Sige lang ni naka log-on ang akong username kay wala may patay-patay among server, pero panagsa ra ko mo basa sa mga topics kay busy permi sa trabaho. Karon ra gani ko kabalik ug tan-aw dire.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #22 on:** August 10, 2009, 01:50:23 PM »

There are three treatments for depression.

1. Psychological counseling; psychiatric monitoring

2. Chemical Therapy

3. ECT (electric shock therapy)

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I am a firm believer in psychiatric counseling and chemical therapy if depression is severe.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #23 on:** August 10, 2009, 01:56:35 PM »

For alternative cures to depression, theres alot of possibilities.

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some write, some write poems, read books, exercise, go fishing,
many turn to God and faith (the best method, IMHO),
and some turn to destructive methods:
drinking, smoking, sex, gambling, etc.

I always asked colleagues why patients that are depressive drink.
Since drinking alcohol only exacerbates depression.

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