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Why Isn't Bisaya The National Language?
« on: February 27, 2009, 09:21:40 AM »
The majority of Filipinos are Bisaya. The Central Visayas and Mindanao are Bisaya-speakers. The majority of the Philippine population speaks Bisaya or a variant form. Yet the national tongue, 'Pilipino' is nothing but Tagalog. And Tagalog speakers are a minority in the population.

Cebuano-Bisaya should be the national language. And Cebu should be the National Capital.

It makes sense, as it is in the central region.

What do you think?

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2009, 09:58:45 AM »
True Sir Lorenz.  I highly agree.  Cebuano-Bisaya should be our National Language and Cebu should be the National Capital.

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2009, 10:09:19 AM »
yeah when i was in grades I and II ang abong textbooks kay bisaja man...

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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2009, 10:52:00 AM »

naabtan pa to nimo, da bins? para, nako, ok ang ideya. ang problema ang mga katagalogan, big deal kaayo ni nila.
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Re: Why Isn't Bisaya The National Lanugage?
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2009, 11:03:26 AM »
Na annoyed baya ako last semester.

During the graduation of the 2010 batch from basic sciences, my friend, Jasmine, who is Filipina, introduced me and my friend Job to her mother. I did the cordial mano po and offered my greetings. Jasmine's mom, being from Manila, conversed with us in Tagalog. And she talked to my friend Job, who is from Lucena in Luzon. Now of course I can follow Tagalog, but my skill in speaking the language is rather limited (as I grew up speaking English and Bisaya).

So when Jasmine's mom asked where I was from, I told her "Taga Bohol, po." She then said, "Talaga ba? Intindihan mo ba Tagalog o Bisaya?"

I answered her, "Bisaya, po. Dahil hindi ko mashado yung Tagalog po"

She joked, "Oh you're not Filipino if you can't speak Tagalog."

I just smiled at hearing that. I told her in English, "I am Filipino. I'm a Filipino who speaks Bisaya."

She just smiled back.

How pretentious of some individuals to declare one being 'Un-Filipino' simply because we are unable/limited in Tagalog.

In actuality, Bisayans are more Filipino--considering Bisayans constitute the majority of the entire Filipino population.

I was wondering if other Fil-Ams or other Filipinos had similar experiences.



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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2009, 11:07:53 AM »
bitaw bisaya unta ang national language and then  cebu ang capital kay mao gud oldest city
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2009, 11:13:05 AM »
Cebu was established as the Capital of Las Islas Filipinas and remained the capital until the conquest of Luzon by Legazpi's men.

It is amazing that despite Manila becoming the economic and political seat of power in the colonial days, Cebu, remains far more Hispanized than Imperial Manila.

Our Blessed Patron, is afterall named in the Honor of Cebu.

"EL Senor Santo Nino De Cebu"


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Christianization of the Entire Philippines Started In Cebu.

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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2009, 11:23:05 AM »
I await Glacier's post. :)

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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2009, 11:34:47 AM »

it's unfortunate that she said that to you, enzo. but it just shows the superiority complex of many a tagalog-speaking regions over bisayan-speaking ones. i can speak for myself on this matter because i was in Manila for years.

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2009, 11:42:34 AM »
It's a damn shame this happens, Glacier. Damn shame.

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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2009, 11:50:36 AM »
but it's interesting to know some visayan words are being adopted in filipino.

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« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2009, 11:53:35 AM »
Like, what, Glacier?

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2009, 12:00:00 PM »

hinay-hinay (dahan-dahan)

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2009, 12:30:42 PM »
hmmmm,

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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2009, 08:31:16 PM »
Dong Bran, its because of Pres. Manuel L. Quezon who is a Tagalog from Quezon Province. Who   lobbied for a Pilipino National Languages based fro Tagalog dialect. I don't know why the Congressmen from Visayas and Mindanao did not object from that bill.

If you happen to study Bran in Manila its very annoying experienced where Tagalogs belittle the Visayans like a second class Citizens. All times they make fun of our pronounciation e as i, o as u. And most especially when they generalized that all Visayan are will work as houseboy or housemaid or a driver. They called them Inday. They think that all Indays are housemaids.

When I call my wife Inday she's very pissed off because she think I treat her like a housemaids.

I told her that Inday is the sweetest word you call Lady or Woman in Visayan its a lambing or most dear.
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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2009, 04:22:41 AM »
Kummusta naman ka, Mr. Rald!

It's been a while since we last conversed, Sir. How are you? How is work/life so far?

Sir, thank you for that historical explanation and the personal tidbit. So Quezon diay ning propose ana eh? The same man who proposed for the independence of the Philippines from the United States. Moving away from Protectorate status to Independent nation.

Thank You, Sir.

My warm regards to your family and good luck to your daughter. 4th year na siya sa Dentistry School, diba Sir?


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Bran Lorenzo Lucino Jr.

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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2009, 07:29:27 AM »
Maayo man Dong Bran, Work is more busier and I'm getting CAD/CAM equipment for much better quality/precision manufacturing. I'm hiring more workers from PI. We just move to a bigger building.

About my daughter Camille She will finish her  Dentistry next year if GOD willing. Here is here multiply link: http://www.prettycamz.multiply.com/photos/album/183/APO_Star_Dental_Service


Ikaw Bran kamusta na rin its been a while, kamusta na studuies mo, unta makalampos ka sa imong pagtuon sa pagka Doctor.

Regards sab sa imong kabanay.




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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2009, 08:06:11 AM »
Hello everyone,

Language is always political.  It's interesting you say the majority of Pilipinos speak Visayan-Cebuano because in the states I grew up with a predominantly Tagalog-dominated population.

I can't speak on what the national language should or should not be, but as far as pragmatics, it would sound an arduous process to campaign for a Visayan national language and have it replace all official documents and related national culture/legislative happenings.

I wonder what is the language policy in the Philippines related to national documents and forms of business? Do they have to make sure all material is translated to the respective dialects?


Now to illustrate the politics of language, you have an international meeting with investors and top government officials about military contracts, at the end of the day, what is the language used for business? English? Tagalog? Visaya?

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2009, 08:19:09 AM »
if politics and superiority complex is what pushed the nationalizing tagalog/filipino as our language forward, then,  before we could step further to make Visaya/Cebuano a national language, we must not forget the Ilonggos. they too have political clout and, without doubt, superior feeling over bisaya/cebuanons/boholanons.

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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2009, 12:43:12 AM »

Mr. Rald,

Am glad to know that work is going well for you, Sir. I can't complain much, studies are going well and my 2nd semester is coming to a close. It is alot of work, study, prayer and faith. Am glad that your daughter is doing well, Sir. God willing all of us will do well.

Those are great pictures btw. Was that for a community treatment program? a local medical mission? hehe.

Thanks, Mr. Rald. My my family's regards to yours as well.


Mabuhay ang mga BIDAK! Bisaya Daku!

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