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salamat Lorenzo... bolanon man jud ka siguro kay maabiabihon ka jud... anyways, im proud to be a boholano....
about sa topic.... morag impossible nga mahitabo na kay daghan jud supak...

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I agree with the author of this thread.

When the Second World War devasted the Philippines, our local leaders worked for the country's independence right away, giving the US only a few years to help rebuild the nation's economy.

Maayo pa tong atong paisano nga si Bartolome Cabangbang kay diha na gyud to siyay vision sa mga maayong mahitabo sa Pilipinas kon ato pa siyang gisuportahan sa iyang US Statehood advocacy.

Para nako, OA ra kaayo ning moingon ta nga hain na man ang atong pagka patriotic kon ma-State na ta sa America. Why, nawad-an ba ang mga Hawaiians sa ilang cultural pride dihang na State ang Hawaii sa America? Ang mga Guamenians, grabe man pud gani sila ka patriotic sa ilang pagka taga Guam.

Naa poy moingon nga Amerika ra kunoy maka exploit sa atong mga natural resources. Unya, unsa may nahitabo karon? Monopoly of the rich. Environmental degradation. Kon naay sunog o baha, moingon na lang nang uban kanato: kon sa States pa ta, high-tech unta ta'g mga rescue operations.

On the other hand, mas dali unta ang atong mga world-class artists maka penetrate sa mainstream entertainment industry.   

Independent lagi ta, pero sigi lang ta'g loan sa USAID, World Bank, etc. for our development projects. And, most especially, for the pockets of the corrupt. 

Haay, to dream the impossible dream.

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Ajuha ka mo dag pinaslang Vhinz nga english binol anon hehhehe. Kining maghisgot tag ang Philippines himoong 51st state damgo ra ni mahug ni ug moingon tag Pila ray estorya.Wa nay natural resources ang Pilipinas nga apson sa U.S gawas siguro ug naay Oil na girahon jud hahahah.

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The preservation of the Filipino identity is not something that will be affected had the islands been integrated into the United States. The Native Americans, though their numbers are low, have retained their cultural identity.

The many native peoples such as the Hawaiian Polynesians, the Micronesian peoples of Guam, the Inuits of Alaska have retained their cultural and lingual identity.

So have the Puerto Ricans, who still maintain their Spanish language, and their Hispanic culture.

In my opinion, had the Philippines been integrated, the Filipino people would have added great diversity and flavor and influenced the societal discourse of the continental United States.

With our numbers, the Filipino people would have been a major force within the United States ruling house (Congress). And the plight of our people would have been mitigated, since the islands would have been the target of billions of dollars worth of American investment.

The Philippines would be a 1st class society. ALL Filipinos having the sanctified right of American Citizenship. Free to move around throughout the United States of America and territories belonging to the United States of America. With all the rights and priviledges affirmed and reserved for Citizens of the World's Only Hyperpower, The United States of America.

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The United States is actually quite sensitive to cultural identity and preservation.
Various NGO such as the NAACP and Civil Rights Groups such as the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) have championed the cause of American Multiculturalism and Multi-ethnicism.

America is not a 'White' Nation.
America is a Melting Pot Nation.
Ours is the Nation that is the World.
All races, religions, ethnicities, creed, sexual orientation, make up the USA.
Black, White, Asian, Latin, Mixed.
AMERICAN.



Our President is African-American.
His rise to the Presidency is signifying of a multicultural and multifaceted AMERICA.
We love cultures!
We are made manifest of a continuum of many cultures mixed into ONE!
WE ARE AMERICA!

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Sorry mate but this statement is deeply wrong.

America is a continent formed for lot of countries. USA do not hold the rights of the word, for say they are America and the others (canadians,mexican,brazilians etc etc) are not.



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siguro naka sulti sila ug ingon ana kay bisag naka angkon sila ug hayahay nga panginabuhi o pamuyo didto sa giingon nga nasod pero dili nato sila mabasul kung ing ana ilang panghunahuna, basta atong e silsil sa atong alimpatakan nga kung gusto ta ug kausaban dili nato kini makuha sa ubang nasud kun dili magagikan kini sa atong dughan mismo kung unsa nimo ka bili o kamahal ang imong yutang natawhan dili nimo e baylo kini sa bahandi sa gahum o bisag sa imong dungog, dili nato ma ankon ang kausaban ug dili nato kini makuha sa ubang nasod kun dili kita managhiusa ug maningkamot pag usab sa atong mga hiwing gawi ug kini magagikan sa ato-a mismo, sa pamilya ug diha na sa katilingban. 
Depende na ninyo ug muto-o mo basta mao ni ang akong panglantaw.  Kay bisag unsa-on nimo ug tudlo sa maayong himoon ug tabang ang usa ka tawo kun dili sya andam mo dawat sa kausaban dili ug dili gajod nimo ma usab ang iyang gidangatan/kaugmaon.


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In all due honest, Ricardo, my statement was correct since the plural and inclusive 'We' illustrates the pluripotency of the United States. Our national creed. "E Pluribus Unum" equates to "Out of Many, One"

We are composed of 50 Federal States, and territories abroad that forms The United States of America.

My country is a melting pot nation, we emphasizes our cultural diversity, our multi-faceted heritage. Our cultural richness and the pooling of all the world's cultures into one society, which is the AMERICAN DREAM.

he he he he

Cheers!

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Of course, we are not discussing and proposing for national inclusion based on possibility; it is evident to us, students of history, that the inclusion movement has been defeated, since the proclamation of Philippine Independence in July 4, 1946.

However, we are having a lively debate; hypothetical situations that provides one to analyze and examine the historical processes and the laws/ammendements in defense of inclusion and opposition thereof.

This thread was created not for seriousness, he he he
But for the sake of 'what if' intellectual discourse.


Cheers!



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I will answer a question that a member has sent me via PM, regarding this issue:



Dear friend,
Hypothetically speaking, if the Republic of the Philippines was to be integrated into the American fold, then all laws and postulates passed in the Republic would be re-addressed by the American Congress and laws re-examined if it is constitutionally mandated in regards to American Law. Philippine Law would be abolished and replaced with American Laws, and enforced in the style and provision mandated by the American Constitutional Courts.

Considering the Philippines is one of the founding fathers of ASEAN, the rights and priviledges that was reserved for the Philippines would be transferred, in totality and in permanence as a right to the United States of America. Considering the fact that in this sitation, the PHilippines no longer would be a living breathing independent nation, but an integral part of the United States of America.

In regards to American involvement in ASEAN-PACIFIC, clearly, it would be greatly increased considering Washington would not only have to address its international strategic interests throughout the world, but also address the interests 'Greater America', which would include the Philippines, and the recently integrated Filipino people.

In regards to economic orientation, redirection of founds, indeed, would be seen to the American Archipelago of the Philippines.

In regards to military strategy, the Philippine Islands would be made into an American Bastion. Center of the Pacific-Asian Command, definately.

Cheers!

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bitaw rac, na ko auntie sa florida. she's been in the US for more than 20 years. wa jud magpachange ug citizenship. bisan american ia hubby.

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Mr. Calle, in the United States, those who are Filipino citizens by birth can apply for dual citizenship.
Your Tita is patriotic in keeping the Philippine Passport, but just from personal experience, it is fortuitous to have an American passport when travelling abroad.

When I took a tour around Europe in '06, had no trouble around the airports in Madrid, and Amsterdam (where we touched down) and back to the 'states for the return flight. But for my friends who still kept their Indian and Pakistani passports, had immigration trouble in Amsterdam as well as in the return flight to the 'states.

The United States is open to dual citizenship; the Philippines recognizes that as well.

Cheers

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if everybody would have loved to be USAmericans, i think Canadians would be the first to be. or the Brazilians or Mexicans. but no.

there's something about being a nation of its own. identity.

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Glacier, thats true, and I honor that sentimentality.

Just fyi btw, the United States and the Dominion of Canada have a strategic alliance that illustrates our common interest. So much, friend, that Canada and The United States have the world's longest unprotected border. The United States has a defense treaty with DOC that warrants the United States Navy, Air Force and Army/National Guard to secure Canadian territory and protect it from threats abroad. American Coast Guard and the Canadian Coast Guard, in specific, work closely with one another especially in our shared northern territories. America's vast Alaskan frontier and Canada's expansive North West Territories and British Columbia.

Cheers!

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Monroe Doctrine

The Monroe Doctrine was a United States policy that was introduced on December 2, 1823, which said that further efforts by European governments to colonize land or interfere with states in the Americas would be viewed by the United States of America as acts of aggression requiring US intervention.[1] The Monroe Doctrine asserted that the Western Hemisphere was not to be further colonized by European countries, and that the United States would not interfere with existing European colonies nor in the internal concerns of European countries. The Doctrine was issued at the time when many Latin American countries were on the verge of becoming independent from Spain, and the United States, reflecting concerns echoed by Great Britain, hoped to avoid having any European power take Spain's colonies.[2]

US President James Monroe first stated the doctrine during his seventh annual State of the Union Address to Congress. It became a defining moment in the foreign policy of the United States and one of its longest-standing tenets, invoked by U.S. presidents, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, John F. Kennedy, and others.

The Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine (added during the presidency of Theodore Roosevelt) was invoked to intervene militarily in Latin America to stop the spread of European influence[3].

It would have been nearly impossible for Monroe to envision that its intent and impact would persist with minor variations for almost two centuries. Its primary objective was to free the newly independent colonies of Latin America from European intervention and control. The doctrine advocated that the New World and the Old World were to remain distinctly separate spheres of influence, for they were comprised of entirely separate and independent nations.[4]

President Monroe claimed the United States of America, although only a fledgling nation at the time, would not interfere in European wars or internal dealings, and in turn, expected Europe to stay out of the affairs of the New World. The Western Hemisphere was never to be colonized again and any attempt by a European power to oppress or control any nation in the Western Hemisphere would be perceived as a direct threat to the U.S.[5]. This quid pro quo was presumptuous on its face, yet has stood the test of time.

The formalized document known as the Monroe Doctrine essentially served to inform the powers of the Old World that the Americas were no longer open to European colonization, and that any effort to extend European political influence into the New World would be considered by the United States "as dangerous to our peace and safety." Basically, the doctrine warned the European powers “to leave America for the Americans.” It also created a sphere of influence that would grow stronger with the addition of the Roosevelt Corollary.

Because the U.S. lacked both a credible navy and army at the time, the doctrine was largely disregarded internationally.[4] However, the Doctrine met with tacit British approval, and the Royal Navy mostly enforced it tacitly, as part of the wider Pax Britannica, which enforced the neutrality of the seas.

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The Monroe Doctrine was essential in the preservation of Independence for Latin American countries, which declared their independence from Spain during the Peninsular Wars. Coincidentally, the British Empire enforced the doctrine as a measure to preserve the status quo and the maintenance of British Naval Sea Power.

In doing so, the United States enforced Manifest Destiny and the policy would influence the strategic interests / national security concerns of the United States in regards to Latin-South America.

The 1960's Cuban-Missile Crisis was the 20th century's maintenance of the Monroe Doctrine.

The 1982 Falkland War was an extension of Monroe Doctrine, in the preservation of status quo, namely the protection of British territorial rights from the Argentine invasion, the latter falling to British military power, with American strategic initiative, of course.

North, Central, South American belong to the greater sphere of American Hegemony.

Its waters are patrolled by the United States Navy. For the preservation of regional stability.

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yes, you are. you cannot sit in the oval office.

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That may be so, but our children can.

Barak Obama, whose father was Kenyan, and whose mother an American, currently sits in the Oval Office .

In the words of the late Sen. Edward Kennedy, "The Dream Lives On."

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i said "you cannot sit in the oval office." not state capitol of whatever state.

and i know governors arnold and cayetano, you don't have to tell me/us.

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agree. and i would like to add china in your list, glace.

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Sa tinuod lang daghan ko nakaila sa America nga tinuoray nga mga datu - one of them makes 32 million a year - a ship magnate - daghan taga Bohol nga seaman nag trabaho sa iya company - pero they are (really are) modest and humble kaysa daghan pang mga nagpaka aron ingnon nga dato sa atua. Our Bohol seamen can attest to this. Di ilhang datu, adto kaon sa ilang kusina sa barko ug kusog kaau makig ingon-ingon.

Pero sa atoa, when given the opportunity - ug ato ning gisaway nga way hunong diri sa TB - mao sad nay mahitabo kanato ug sa atong mga katawhan nga makatung-tong sa mga importanteng posisyon: feeling important pod morag mao hahaha. Di na makab-ot ug di na managad gawas ug paryente ka o barkada.

Maajo rapong pobre ta kay lisod na... maru naman gani ta nga pobre pa. Samot nag mga datu ta ug ma gamhanan... di na ta magtagad aning TB bwahahaha! Tua na ta ga lulinghayaw sa lain-laing lugar. Au ning way lingaw kay naa ta ani mag tapok ug mag lalis-lais gamay! Pakitang gilas!!!~

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This is not for all Lorenzo. If you are Filipino born in Philippines then you give up your filipino citizenship for american citizenship  you can't be dual. You got to give up one or else you lose your u.s citizenship but if you are filipino born in america you can apply for dual citizenship.
Attention sa mga parents nga naay anak nga natawo diri sa U.S Tanan baya nag assume nga abi kay filipino ka maauthomatic ug ka dual citizen inyong anak.NO !dapat ug nagwish mo magpadual sa mga anak dapat mo sumbit mo ug mga paperworks sa Philippines Consulate near you.

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Ajaw lang dagan politika aron di ma question ang citizenship ug posible pod, owning properties hehehe

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JJ,

Ikaw ba tig pada nako ug links sa MickyGatal Connect? Kung ikaw, salamat kaayo... sige man pod ko lili didto but not join in the discussion kay wan ko mo register didto. Ari sa lang kay arang daghana baja pod dering thread hehehe...

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Lawma pud ka ug eninglish Toy oi kabuang man pud tag google ug meaning aning cesspool. Bitaw kasagaran merican both natural born ug di natural born medyo perting pagkabrainwash kay ngano you don't dare questioning Our Greatness ang  most attitudes. False Patriotism na hapit. Some people are confused about true patriotism.They assume that worshipping the government is the same thing as loving the country. True patriotism is wanting what best for the people and the country contrast to the government wanting power and money.

I am proud being Filipino and thankful being an american.Daghan pinoy ing pili nga ma american dili tungod kay gisalikway na namo ang nasud nga pilipinhon kono dili aron sayon ra unya ang paglawig (travel) mostly pasayon lang ang rason jud ba.Aron sayon mobyahe bisan asa,aron makaangkon sa mga maayohon diri ug uban pa. Di nako pasobrahan akong pagkapatriotic diri kay basin kagon ta ni Jose Rizal ug ni Andress Bonifacio ug sa tanang bayani labi na jud ni Lolo Dagohoy maoy gidangat hahhaha.

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You are right, Raquel, and I stand corrected. In order to apply for dual citizenship, if a Filipino-American is born in the US, one has to apply for Philippine Citizenship via the Philippine Consulates in New York or the one in California or directly to the Philippine Embassy in Washington D.C.

The option is there.

Cheers.

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Ate Raquel,

You are accurate in that Filipinos who become American Citizens have the option of forgoing their Philippine Citizenship upon their acquisition of the American Citizenship after the Oath Taking Ceremonies, but there are venues for re-acquisition of Philippine Citizenship.

Citizenship Retention and Re-Acquisition Act of 2003 (Republic Act No. 9225), in particular, was implemented by the Republic of the Philippines to allow Filipino-Americans (foreign born or natural born Americans) to acquire Philippine Citizenship.

Dual citizenship of both nations is recognized by both parties; namely: The United States of America and the Republic of the Philippines.


Cheers, and God Bless!

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everybody knows, enzo, that the US doesn't give this "help" for nothing. whether for stability of an economy or the destabilization of a government, if they think they can have something in return. it's about control, who's the Boss. and that what pukes me when i hear all these USAIDS in form of investments. one must see all what these investments do to these poor countries and to their resources. and i'm not saying it's just the US, even Canada is guilty of this.


first, yes, no comparison in some ways. (and i dont remember comparing them with the states, by the way.) but they don't have to be like the States to be able to stand their political agenda and protect national sovereignty.  these countries know, more than we do, how the US play global politics. time has come that these countries have to step up and play their role in maintaining world stability thru peaceful means, not by war against a country mistakenly possessing WMD.

by the way, closing Guantanamo, we know, is more of a political show than a "mea culpa" move from the US. do you think it will ever stop their "waterboarding" style of interrogations and other who-knows-what torture techniques in the future? nah! again, it's too American. Playing "good boy" of the world. they are not in principle really closing that "facility", they are just moving it.

finally, what a kind example this is from Uncle Sam for lambasting those countries about their unacceptable Human Rights Violation record, yet, he himself has for a long time been torturing people? not nice, isn't it?

cheers!



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In the end, my friend, you and I and many freedom-loving Americans, Canadians, Filipinos, pro-western societies can express our points of view without being tried, executed. There is no such thing in China. China reserves the right to turn of the internet and public domain sites; and continues to imprison liberal pro-western intellectuals.

China and Russia continue to be in top list of nations in Human Rights Violations.

And btw, just to infer, it was the united States and the allied countries that tried the actions of Germans (Nazi) after the second world war, even after the former Nazi Party tried to destroy facts, intel on their death camps and the liquidation of over 20 million people (Jews, Slavs, Gays/Homosexuals, Gypsies)

The same for Imperial Japan. It was the Allied Judicial Board, namely headed by the United States, that tried and dispensed justice to Japanese citizens that were responsible for the ethnic genocides in Korea and Nanking, China, and on the military officials.

Liberty. and Democracy. America was so critical to its preservation when those who threatened it were unchallenged.

Many Canadians and American boys died honorably for the defense of those precious rights.
To which you and I baske in. he he

God Bless!
Cheers!

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No nation is free of issues, Glacier. Even the United States cannot escape some mistakes.

The topic of the matter is the discussion of provisions of the United States and membership of the Philippines.
I will facilitate further deeper discussion the subject matter by redirecting the flow of discussion back to the subject matter.

Let us examine the laws passed in the early 20th century that offered the pathway into national inclusion / or the pathway for independence.

Lets get back to the subject.

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Note: Any comments unrelated to the subject matter; negative personal remarks will be removed. Debate within the frame of the subject. Anything else is deviation from topic discourse.




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What?

and since when this deviation from topics you are talking about happened? or never happened to any topics? i was shocked to see your comment here, lorenzo. are you serious?

you know what, i was lucky i was able to read that comment/reply by HubagBohol seconds before the unreasonable deletion happened. with all due respect to you Admin Lorenzo, i found nothing in that post worth deleting (whoever did it). if your academic discretion found that there are negative remarks, unrelated comments or deviation from the topics, then HubagBohol's post should not be singled out, IF that has in your point of view qualified in your criteria. in this thread alone, you should be aware how many, if any, deviations were committed; then this topic should have been shelved in that case long time ago. and we're not yet talking about other threads here in TB. if your rules are to be followed, TB should be locked.

by the way, FYI, Hubag's comment even has nothing in comparison to the personal attacks  made against the President of the Philippines in this forum, if we have to consider the seriousness of this issue. yet, we're still here because we believe in the value of freedom of speech and expression of opinions. in defense of HB, he has been very profound and logical in many respects with his comments not only in this topic.

i am writing this on my own behalf. i have never seen as trivial and superficial act of amelioration as this. posting these reasons of deletion is not only an irony of the whole spirit of what this topic has been discussing, but an insult to what TB stands for.

merci.









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