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« on: June 20, 2008, 04:41:33 PM »
What can you say about President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo?


for me i could not wait to end her term,shes a lucky bitch...with all the killings,anomalies and worst corruption in history she must go..

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2008, 01:14:22 AM »
she is a strong one ; she knows

edsa 3 4 5 6 7 came and still she stays

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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 02:49:57 AM »
I'm a supporter of President Arroyo.

Under her term the Philippine economy has SURGED, ladies and gentlemen, to an unprecedented 7.5% these past fiscal years. The Philippine Peso has performed remarkably against Canadian Dollar, American Dollar and the Euro.

The Philippine Navy has acquired new advanced ships; the Philippine Air Force has acquired new S.111 attack air fighters, and modernization continues. The Philippines has re-affirmed its alliance with the United States. Both in terms of military AND economic.

Overall, growth has propelled in the country. Unprecedented growth not seen in the country since the early days of Marcos.

I admire this woman.

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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 03:00:23 AM »
heheh she may be -whateveryouwanttocallher- but she is a tough one. she knows how to get out of whatever political scandal she is involved...

she is not easy to beat cause she is smart.

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 05:16:13 AM »
she is a strong one ; she knows

edsa 3 4 5 6 7 came and still she stays

nangdaya pa sa election pero nakasurvive gihapon...kapal talaga


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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2008, 05:18:07 AM »
taas kuno ang value sa peso pero nisamot man lage kamahal ang presyo sa mga prime commodities... louy mga OFW

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2008, 05:25:16 AM »
hehe tungod man gud sa oil.

ang sayup lang nia run is that her solutions to the crisis is short term..para lang ma pacify ang mga tao..

wala pa cla pang long term ..

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2008, 10:26:33 AM »
taas kuno ang value sa peso pero nisamot man lage kamahal ang presyo sa mga prime commodities... louy mga OFW

It is mandated. The American dollar is depreciating, and that is a mere side effect.

The most important thing, Anastasio, is that the Philippines' economy is surging and incredibly stable. It has been growing at 7% growth for the past year and has not slowed down. Even back in 2006, and 2007 it grew from 4.5% to 5.8% and now at 6.5-7.0%.

The Philippines has a high volume of investment from foreign countries. High volume of external and internal tourism.

This woman has sold the image of the Philippines as a dependable and able country worthy of doing business with. And it has shown in her external policies. She may not be popular by some individuals domestically, but that is of no avail.

No one can ever please EVERYONE. To try to do so would be political suicide and lunacy, realistically. A politician does what he or she must do for the good of the ENTIRE Republic; the ENTIRE State.

This country has benefited under her term than any other president after Marcos. That is the COLD HARD facts.

This country was in economic and military paralysis the past 2 decades after Marcos' fall. She brought it up. From a joker-of-a-president that was Estrada.

She is not only HARD LINED in her policies against terrorism; but she is so very strategic when it comes to investment and external webbing.



She was trained in the prestigious GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY. And a classmate with former President William J. Clinton. She is a political animal. A product of Washington D.C education. American Education.

I love this woman. She is tough and she knows she is tough. And will do what she has to do.



President Arroyo, I respect you, Maddam President.

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2008, 10:34:20 AM »
Under President Arroyo's term, she has led to the increase of OFWs; and a constant and dependable $16 Billion remittances hits this country yearly.

It is a solid economic lifeline that has propelled this country. It has a very strong trickle-down effect on domestic businesses and economics.

The Philippines has also become one of the region's leading IT industrial power. Second only to India in the region.

Thanks to Arroyo's championing of Philippine-based businesses and focusing on the Filipino's fluency in English and high-quality education and educated citizens.

For the first time in history, investors are competing to do business in the Philippines. In levels that are comparable to the 1960s when the Philippines was the region's economic power; second only to Japan at the time.


Our country is growing and prospering. It is a sign of good leadership. Not like a lazy and incompetent buffoon like Estrada.

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2008, 12:56:53 PM »
you are reading the wrong statistics... how cud you understand? you're from a rich family. why dont you try asking the common people about our present economy? they are the one who suffers most.

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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2008, 07:12:43 PM »
I could not believed somebody still aprreciate GMA with the ZTE scandal was clearly done by her and their cronies,thinking of the economy in the philippines do you think it is in the right position,i dont think so..it is the people of the republic of the philippines who can express what they feel,,how about hello garci do you think it is right...its a joke..how about the fertilizer scandal ,she is  still right?for god sake grow up...

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2008, 08:30:23 PM »
Yeah of course in every regime, there must be positive and negative side on it, yet we cant say that GMA is that worst, still we can appreciate some of her achievements  as being her excellency..but we must bear in mind that even how many president will sit on the throne yet we cannot expect that they can totally answer the demands of the people, but this regime i think is much worst than the rest..the Filipino people have long been suffering under her regime of intransigent puppetry, deceptions, corruption, anti-people socio-economic policies and repression. The people's conditions have critically worsened,its mendicant neoliberal, deregulatory and other pro-imperialist "globalization" policies and sellout of national and people's interests in collusion with big foreign, comprador and bureaucratic plunderers have resulted in the current series of rapid and sharp increases in the prices of fuel, power, food and other basic commodities and the ensuing increase in government tax collections.Rallies, marches,  cultural presentations,  and community meetings,  factory protests, transport strikes, noise barrages, boycotts and other forms of collective protest action are bound to spiral towards a generalized and nationwide protest movement as the Arroyo regime remains intransigent and continues to ignore the people's legitimate and just demands.Wherever life is most impoverished and miserable and the level of exploitation and oppression is escalating, the broad masses of the people are launching various forms of struggle, including militant mass protests..Then now how can we say that this regime is good enough..Yet people are longing to end up this anti people regime..despite of those huge peoples power but still she is strong enough to remain..now lets just hope and pray that one day she can realize how cruel she is and learn how to listen the woes and pains of our sovereign Filipino people before her term will ends...

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2008, 08:38:25 PM »
kining tanan ninyong gihisgutan mas mograbe pa gyod ni mga 3 to 4 years gikan karon dili ra man ni sa pilipinas tibuok kalibutan ni ang kalisod karon. mahitabo na gyod na ang> a bag of gold will buy a loaf of bread

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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2008, 09:16:45 PM »
Sometimes truth is hard to accept, but sad to say my brod and sis that GMA is not rating good anymore, bunch of issues that surrounds in her regime like corruptions, undying ZTE scam and the unsolved food crisis in the country which resulted to various crimes were just a few elements that can attest that she  deserves no more  to rule the nation.

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2008, 09:47:56 PM »
I'm a supporter of President Arroyo.

Under her term the Philippine economy has SURGED, ladies and gentlemen, to an unprecedented 7.5% these past fiscal years. The Philippine Peso has performed remarkably against Canadian Dollar, American Dollar and the Euro.

The Philippine Navy has acquired new advanced ships; the Philippine Air Force has acquired new S.111 attack air fighters, and modernization continues. The Philippines has re-affirmed its alliance with the United States. Both in terms of military AND economic.

Overall, growth has propelled in the country. Unprecedented growth not seen in the country since the early days of Marcos.

I admire this woman.

what good is all this if a lot of people are getting killed just because they aren't on her side of the leaf?...

plus... yes, the economy has surged--as you would put it--but why have we not seen its reflection on the people?... well, we need not consider ourselves (who are fortunate enough not to feel the heat) but the people living on the margin of poverty... why has their dire situation not been alleviated up to now?... not even a bit of considerable change could be seen...

you see, this nation is akin to a pool that's being heated from below... much like the pools of Bath in England... the poor people are the ones stepping on the led base and feeling the heat that most on top could not...

i'm not completely spitting on Gloria here... i'll give her credit for the positive things she's done... but she's done so much more negative things... the pluses are like a single drop of white ink on a bottle of black... see my point?

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2008, 10:17:23 PM »
bisan ug wala ko makaayon sa panunuan karon aber kinsa man inyong iilis?

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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2008, 10:41:04 PM »
We need a leader nga pro people, kining corruption lisud na ning sakita wad un sa atung systima ang atung pili on kadtung less corrupt nalang kana kung naa pay mga but anun ug gamay.

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2008, 10:41:31 PM »
^That's an excellent question gyud, Ms Lee.

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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2008, 10:42:06 PM »
Why there are such OFW nowadays,well the govt are very much happy of the remittance send by the OFW ,what a shamed instead of thinking of natural resources or filipino products to be exported abroad to boast our country,it is the filipino labor who are exported,why?because of the good economy in our country as what theyve said..why there are lot of talented filipinos working abroad?is it a brain drain and affects our economy? no its not the govt needs the increase of remmitance..why we are importing rice from USA and thailand where in fact UP Los banos are teaching the proper way of modern farming,they converted into golf cources and subdivision.why does the govt  doesnt restrict the convertion of farmland to avoid the problem..probably because the economy is blooming..how about the spratley island do you think it is still belong to the philippines?might be sold already to the chinese without our knowledge..

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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2008, 10:43:58 PM »
hinganli ang angay nga iilis aron atong butaran inig election

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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2008, 10:44:25 PM »
We need a leader nga pro people, kining corruption lisud na ning sakita wad un sa atung systima ang atung pili on kadtung less corrupt nalang kana kung naa pay mga but anun ug gamay.

Who do you have in mind, Mr Brownman? I saw a Rated K episode sa una nga ilang gi poll ang mga pinakapobreng congressmen sa Pinas. Ang migawas  nga pinakapobre kay kadtong congressman sa Davao (del Norte or del Sur, I'm not certain). Mag bike ra gud siya mo report sa opisina. They showed his house, his family. He lived a very simple and a very humble life. Mao to siya akong botaran kung molansar pagka presidente.

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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2008, 10:49:16 PM »
bisan ug wala ko makaayon sa panunuan karon aber kinsa man inyong iilis?
this is not a question who gonna replace her,we know someday there will be dedicated person  to serve the country and to the peolple of the philippines..our country will be change not by the president itself,we the citizens of the pilippines will help build our nation a better life to live for..

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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2008, 10:59:09 PM »
so dili diay ang presidente ang problema, ang problema naa sa mga lumolupyo nga nagpasagad sa ilang katungod nga bisan sa pudyot nga salapi malinga na sila sa kinsay angay nga ibutang sa pamunuan. kinsa man diay ang nagbutang niining mga tawhana sa ilang nahimutangan karon kadtong mga tawo nga napalit ang ilang katungod sa pagpili. hangtud nga ang tawo walay kausbanan gikan sa kalag, dili gyod siya mausab gikan sa pagkadautan.

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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2008, 11:08:11 PM »
Who do you have in mind, Mr Brownman? I saw a Rated K episode sa una nga ilang gi poll ang mga pinakapobreng congressmen sa Pinas. Ang migawas  nga pinakapobre kay kadtong congressman sa Davao (del Norte or del Sur, I'm not certain). Mag bike ra gud siya mo report sa opisina. They showed his house, his family. He lived a very simple and a very humble life. Mao to siya akong botaran kung molansar pagka presidente.

Those were the qualities nga dapat mag mando sa Pinas Ms C2 ang problima lang nila ani
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2008, 11:12:02 PM »
^Mao pud Mr Brownman, sakto ka. Ga tuyok tuyok ra gyud ta ani. Hahay buhay. But if it does happen, andam nako sa akong vote. Hehehe. Ikatawa nalang nato ning atong kayugot ug kaligutgot sa kinabuhi. Ang mga ngilngig bitaw nga mga aktibista sa Pinas kaniadto, nanglangyaw na halos tanan sa abroad. Napul-an siguro nga wala'y epek ilang mga rally.

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2008, 11:14:08 PM »
sakto jud ka C2H4, sigi silag banha sa una ibagsak ang USA karon naa na sila puyo hehehehe

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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2008, 11:15:39 PM »
Ahahaha! Korek Ms Lee! Mao na'y giingon ni Alanis, "Isn't it ironic?". LOL

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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2008, 11:19:44 PM »
Mao jud Ms. C2 insakto ka hala katawa nalang diha kay basin magkasakit ta ug kalit simbako, bitaw ang systima nato lisud nang bag uhun kay ang mga tawo nagpabungol bungol lang bisan ug nakadungug, that's true nga ang ubang aktibista tu a na sila nag rally sa abroad kay guipul an na sila sa Pinas naa paman guihapoy nabilin diri kadtung way pangbayad sa ilang passport.

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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2008, 11:33:29 PM »
Mangatawa nalang ta ani Mr Brownman. Manundog ta adtong laughing yogi sa India. The poverty in our country is of course, no laughing matter. There's a lot of suffering in the world right now. But we can't blame all our troubles on the government. It's futile and a waste of useful energy. Energy that is best served when channelled elsewhere, like thinking of ways to earn money para mabuhi. The time spent complaining about the government could be spent more fruitfully looking for work, or more resourceful ways to have an income.

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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2008, 01:49:57 AM »
you are reading the wrong statistics... how cud you understand? you're from a rich family. why dont you try asking the common people about our present economy? they are the one who suffers most.

I understand because I come from a humbled background; the definition of 'rich' family is the manifestation of good work, and honest enterprise. My family has nothing to do with my opinions, I have taken multiple courses on macro-economics, global industry and political economics as well as countless statistics classes. My understanding on the situation on Philippine economics is pretty well rounded, I dare say.

Yeah of course in every regime, there must be positive and negative side on it, yet we cant say that GMA is that worst, still we can appreciate some of her achievements  as being her excellency..but we must bear in mind that even how many president will sit on the throne yet we cannot expect that they can totally answer the demands of the people, but this regime i think is much worst than the rest..the Filipino people have long been suffering under her regime of intransigent puppetry, deceptions, corruption, anti-people socio-economic policies and repression. The people's conditions have critically worsened,its mendicant neoliberal, deregulatory and other pro-imperialist "globalization" policies and sellout of national and people's interests in collusion with big foreign, comprador and bureaucratic plunderers have resulted in the current series of rapid and sharp increases in the prices of fuel, power, food and other basic commodities and the ensuing increase in government tax collections.Rallies, marches,  cultural presentations,  and community meetings,  factory protests, transport strikes, noise barrages, boycotts and other forms of collective protest action are bound to spiral towards a generalized and nationwide protest movement as the Arroyo regime remains intransigent and continues to ignore the people's legitimate and just demands.Wherever life is most impoverished and miserable and the level of exploitation and oppression is escalating, the broad masses of the people are launching various forms of struggle, including militant mass protests..Then now how can we say that this regime is good enough..Yet people are longing to end up this anti people regime..despite of those huge peoples power but still she is strong enough to remain..now lets just hope and pray that one day she can realize how cruel she is and learn how to listen the woes and pains of our sovereign Filipino people before her term will ends...

Understandable points. Nevertheless, a government who has sovereign power over a republic must protect the sanctity of the constitution and the stability of the entire country and transcend domestic feelings on that said government.

The whims of the people and by crowds of militant protesters do not, even if the gravity of their protest dictates sentimentality, speak for the entire nation. Nor do they, who have not been elected into office or situate in political office, have the right to declare the head of the republic as 'inable' due to some cases of political entanglement.

We have seen this time and time again here in the United States. The sacred constitution of the United States is protected by the Senate, the Congress, the Supreme Court Justices and by the Executive Person himself. Theirs is the solemnity in protecting the true definitions of constitutionality and governmental authority from fading and changing 'feelings' of the people; which change over time like the wind.

Protests are nothing more than protest; and should be dealt with according to their manner of protest; if they have legal rights/permit to protest, or if they are physically terrorizing officials and the good of the public.

One should read about the frailties of mass ideologues such as seen in the French Revolution; by men such as Robespierre, Marat. Revolutionary ideas are dangerous if kept unchecked; as it leads to total anarchy. Militant protests are nothing but a manifestation of this. There is nothing wrong about going through peaceful and legal means in the bureaucracy.

I have never been a proponent of constant revolution and militant protest. The will of the people is best shown through national voting systems. Not through violent protests that challenge the will and power of the Office of the Executive and the Congress. Which represent the people and the good of the people and are of the people. Taken from the people to represent the best interest of the people.

Protesters are not the people. But are a disgruntled few that declare themselves to represent the people, but are in actuality not.

These problems that you all point out are not of the doing of the President of the Philippines. But by the corruption within the system. If we follow that systemic approach, then by right, the President is free from it as the system that he or she occupies has already been tainted.

To change it requires the cooperation of not only the executive, but the legislative and the citizenry.
Blaming does nothing. Militant protesting does nothing but destabilize the country; affects the economic confidence and sends negative signs to would-be investors.

Its a loose-loose situation.

We need to be realistic not idealistic. Let us not be Socratic, shall we.

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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2008, 02:06:35 AM »
what good is all this if a lot of people are getting killed just because they aren't on her side of the leaf?...

plus... yes, the economy has surged--as you would put it--but why have we not seen its reflection on the people?... well, we need not consider ourselves (who are fortunate enough not to feel the heat) but the people living on the margin of poverty... why has their dire situation not been alleviated up to now?... not even a bit of considerable change could be seen...

you see, this nation is akin to a pool that's being heated from below... much like the pools of Bath in England... the poor people are the ones stepping on the led base and feeling the heat that most on top could not...

i'm not completely spitting on Gloria here... i'll give her credit for the positive things she's done... but she's done so much more negative things... the pluses are like a single drop of white ink on a bottle of black... see my point?

I do not share the same negative feelings as you, amigo. I look at things at an overall perspective, through the lens of a neutral individual. The realities of it all, is that if one engages in regional comparatives, the Philippines has benefited from globalization; resulting in massive foreign investment and infrastructural projects.

The Philippines, is one of the region's best performing country in terms of fiscal growth this past year; and years past. It is behind China and India, which are growing at an unprecedented 8-10% growth per fiscal annum. The Philippines is growing at a stable and rocketing 7% per fiscal annum.

All sectors have high confidence; construction, medical, heat and gas, electricity. There is a growing middle class sector in the Republic. This, by economic law, will eventually lead to trickle-down economics.  Local businesses are growing, which manifests in overall healthy growth of the country.

Namely, we have to be realistic and one needs to understand that not everyone will feel this economic growth. Economic growth is a gradual process; and always will be. But that does not delineate the cold hard facts that the fastidious economic growth the Philippines is experiencing is within our midst.

Causative agents of positive economic growth is an able Executive and Administration. Functioning and Able Military.

Yes, I do realize and accept that the Arroyo Administration has fared poorly in how it deals with domestics, perhaps they are too hard handed. Something that should be corrected; however, overall, the country has benefited.

Economists and Global Strategists agree with this. Now if the country was in economic paralysis and anarchy, then that would be time to worry and demand change.

However, that is not the case in the ground. How can one say that when in the first time in history, the Philippine Peso is gaining against the US Dollar, Canadian Dollar and the Euro? When the first time in history, the Philippines is becoming one of the region's leading IT power? When the country is one of the region's leading tourism hot-spots? You cannot deny the positives. Be open minded; look at the goods and the bads of every situation.

People will always complain. That is something that will never change. Even in the United States, people will complain. Why even in communist states such as PRC, CUBA, and former USSR. They complained, and still do complain.

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2008, 02:27:04 AM »
The people's conditions have critically worsened,its mendicant neoliberal, deregulatory and other pro-imperialist "globalization" policies and sellout of national and people's interests in collusion with big foreign, comprador and bureaucratic plunderers

Economics is not so easily 'severed' as you might think, Bulak. We are living in a globalized society, where a single post and message can travel immediately around the world. Where trade is mandated by the needs of a people and by the availability of the source/resource.

The Philippines, is part of this global network and is a key player. The country does not have the capital to harvest its own resources that is why it depends on global partners for loans, for investment. Globalization is mandated and you and I are a living testament to globalization. You are abroad because of globalization. I am abroad because of globalization, and so are the some 15 million Filipinos and Filipino-decedents. A result of globalization.

One cannot deny it; as it is historical. It is part of human society and will never change. Spain colonized the Philippines because of globalization, American took over the Philippines because of globalization, Japan invaded because of global goals. etc.

Globalization will always be a constant process. So maybe the manner of globalization may differ; either in the form of political imperialism, economic imperialism, global trade, etc. It will always be there. And will never change.

The cold hard facts, Bulak, is that the Philippines cannot survive without globalization. We cannot function as a republic with isolationist policies. As the country depends upon its some 10 million OFWs abroad. It depends on foreign investments to build Filipino business ergo in terms of IT call centers, Gas plants, Electricity plants, Merchant Marine plants, etc.

No nation has survived being 'isolationist'. The Khmer Rouge tried doing that in 1977; and as a result over 1/4th of their people died due to xenocide. Communist China tried being 'isolationist' after the Russo-Sino Split in the 1950s. Their isolationist policy didn't even last for 2 decades; when Den Xiaoping met with Nixon to commence China's 'Open Door Policy'.

The cold hard facts, Bulak, is that the Philippines life line depends on globalization and liberal policies concerning investment.

If you retain an uber-conservative policy then you will detract would-be-investors and loose them to competing countries. Right?

Its a loose-loose situation if you think like that.

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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2008, 03:03:49 AM »
Positive Economic Trends













These positive growth trends from 01-present is rather indicatory.

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http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/aiet/philippines.pdf

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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2008, 04:27:45 AM »

We need to be realistic not idealistic. Let us not be Socratic, shall we.

Dong Bran, as they say that there are many ways on how to kill a pig ,likewise there are many forms of protest on how to react on this present existing system...I think that people believe  their ideologist is based on reality, we cannot easily apply a theory which is not fit on a particular situation :)

Protest movements, shall we say is an obsolete way already but considering that its the only way that people can react and show their anger to the government, protest along the streets help a lot to awake our fellow citizen who remain deaf and blind of the issues in our society. As i said before that its the only way to show that people could no longer bear their worsening suffering and poverty. It has become apparent to them that their intensifying hardships are a direct consequence of the Arroyo regime's corruption. The increasingly dismal economic conditions of the broad masses of the people could no longer be obscured by the regime's falsified statistics and media hype about economic progress. The people's growing misery and oppression are increasingly being linked to the regime's reeking corruption.
The regime strains to cover up its heinous crimes by distorting laws, weaving lies, suppressing the mass media and perpetrating a host of other maneuvers and fascist measures. In spite of all this, various sectors, the organized masses, the mass media, church people, businessmen, lawyers , are determined to unravel and expose the truth about the regime's anomalies and corruption.
Generally, filipino people have reached the height of their anger and repudiation of the Arroyo regime. They are fed up with, and outraged at, the Arroyo regime's many cases of corruption and mendacity and the acute suffering and oppression it has inflicted on them. But yeah you are right, that the problem in here is not only on the leadership but its on the system itself, so this is the greatest dream of our very own people to build a new one that will totally serve the interest of the people specially the poor and  scrap this decayed existing system  in which we are trapped....


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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2008, 06:22:38 AM »
You prove a good point, Bulak, and I agree with you but the very point that you point out, the manifestation of corruption, is not something that started with the Arroyo Administration.

Even before her rise to power, by the People Power that brought her to power as it deposed former President Estrada, that systemic corruption was already there. Corruption within the senate, the house of representatives, and even in the local administrations continues to be a pragmatic problem.

I have never been a strong proponent of continuous 'People Power'. The second edsa revolution repudiated Estrada and raised Arroyo on the Presidential Pedestal. To eventually just attack her time and time again. The very person that the "People" of this so called Revolution, had given blessing to take over the reigns after Estrada.

Bulak, my main point here is that we cannot leave political policy and nation building to the ever changing and fleeting feelings of the public. We cannot place the future of the entire Republic to the emotions of the several few protesters. There is no stability in it.

I agree completely that CORRUPTION is deeply embedded into the political system and it will require a giant of a man to change it. It will require the collaboration of the entire people and all political institutions to cooperate.

The only way for this Republic to last and to retain sovereignty is with the existence of a Strong Government. One that will not hesitate to deal a hard hand to dissidents in the provinces as well as in the urban areas to retain stability. This country, as regionalistic as it is, will not last if it has a weak government.

We had this before prior to the rise of Marcos. A weak government, weak federalist system. It led to rampancy of crimes, and armed groups that protected each politician. Each governor. The manifestation of war-lordry.

Marcos eradicated that problem for the first time as well as eradicated the threat of the NPA and the threat of Islamo-Fascism in the south.

The Philippines needs a strong government; one that is ready to take public punishing but still retains its overall agenda on nation building.





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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2008, 09:21:51 PM »
bisan ug wala ko makaayon sa panunuan karon aber kinsa man inyong iilis?

so what then are you suggesting? let her stay for the rest of her life just because YOU HAVE NO IDEA whom to put in place of her? My, oh my! had that mentality been prevalent before, we wouldn't have a president now... if you're gonna stick to that kind of perspective, we might as well have a monarchic system instead...

kinsa'y i-ilis?... hmmmmmmmmnnn... here's an idea... why don't we all just wait for the 2010 elections??...

and oh, i never suggested impeachment.. that'd be taboo... not practical and most definitely not viable for a financially meager nation like the Philippines...

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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2008, 09:35:31 PM »
bisan unsaun ninyog yawyaw ug bagotbot wa jud moy mahimo kay naa na man na sila sa katungdanan. wa ko mobotar anang presidente karon. dili man pod na sila ang mohatag nato ug ilung ag. maningkamot na lang ta sa atong kaugalingon aron mabuhi. whoever is the head of any nation respect them. kamo ra baya ang nagbutang nila diha :) so what's your solution then, i know that being critical is not a solution to this problem. manubag baya na sila sa ilang mga buhat unya.

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« Reply #37 on: June 23, 2008, 08:02:41 AM »
so what then are you suggesting? let her stay for the rest of her life just because YOU HAVE NO IDEA whom to put in place of her? My, oh my! had that mentality been prevalent before, we wouldn't have a president now... if you're gonna stick to that kind of perspective, we might as well have a monarchic system instead...

kinsa'y i-ilis?... hmmmmmmmmnnn... here's an idea... why don't we all just wait for the 2010 elections??...

and oh, i never suggested impeachment.. that'd be taboo... not practical and most definitely not viable for a financially meager nation like the Philippines...

Impeachable? And who do you think would best take reigns of power? Perhaps you are a supporter of ERAP?  As if the members of the senate are free from such charges of graft and corruption? Some of the fiercest attackers of Arroyo in the political spectrum are, themselves too, guilty of rampant corruption.

This is the very stagnancy that I pointed out earlier; how can we even dictate changes when the tactics of politicians rely on 'blaming' and exposing each other's dirty diapers, pardon my figurative speech, in order to strengthen their own agenda and hide their own faults?

No politician is perfect; the same applies to President Arroyo.

Election 2010 should be interesting; perhaps the next president will change the system. Perhaps not. History shall decide and dictate. As History alway does.



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« Reply #38 on: June 23, 2008, 08:06:53 AM »
whoever is the head of any nation respect them.

I completely agree, Madam Lee. The President of any country at least deserves respect from the citizen of that country even if there are disagreements. I myself do not agree with the policies of President G. Bush Jr, sure I don't agree with his foreign policies, but I still respect him. He is the President of my country, and the symbol of state of the United States. He was elected BY the PEOPLE, to safeguard the best interests of the PEOPLE, whatever his views are. He is charged with the protection and honoring of the sacred Constitution and the Congressional House.

The same applies to President Arroyo. Elected by the people; chosen BY the PEOPLE to REPRESENT the people.

There is something sacred in that. Any president deserves some kind of respect. Even men such as Marcos.

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« Reply #39 on: June 23, 2008, 08:48:38 AM »
All I can say is that, if we still had Erap as our president, we would have been in worst situation.  That's my opinion and I so believe in that. He wouldn't be in the top most corrupt leaders for nothing. 

As to PGMA, it's hard to accept that she is one of the best presidents in our country after Marcos. Well, Marcos is another story.  He was smart and all that but we knew already his downfall and what he did to our country after ruling for more than 2 decades. Then we had Cory Aquino who became president by "default".  Then we had FVR and then Erap.  All these presidents were never exempted to criticism.  They were all full of flaw and marred with corruption.  And here comes PGMA.  Alright, she isn't perfect - far from perfect but she inherited many years and deeply ingrained corrupt system dating from way back Marcos time.  She inherited a government from Erap that was too far from perfect either.  We couldn't expect her to sit there in the presidency and wipe out all the years of decayed morals among government leaders.

The problem with us people is that we easily fall to amnesiac state of mind.  We forget about the past that brought us into this situation.  We blamed PGMA for all the social diseases our government is now afflicted with but in the meantime we continue to be corrupt ourselves.  How?  We didn't shun vote buying. We know who are buying our votes and yet we didn't go pay a full-page ad telling the world that this and that candidate is attempting to pay for our votes. We pay "under-the-table" to shorten the red tape.  If we inconvenience ourselves by not paying "under-the-table", these corrupt workers will not  be encouraged to continue milking us.  There's more but what I am saying is that we become party to our corrupt system, deliberately or not.  We want change, let's change ourselves first. 

So our question is, kinsa man if we think PGMA is not worthy to be our president?  Would you rather that we had Erap as our president instead of PGMA?  Would you want him to be president again?  The next presidential election is another chance for the Filipinos to exercise the right of suffrage.  It's another chance to make things better.  Hala, sugod na mo campaign whoever you think should be the  next president.  Sige lang ta reklamo but we didn't know what we want.  Pastilan!

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