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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #200 on: March 17, 2009, 12:26:15 PM »
niangkon na ka nga ungoy ka.

ako wa pa, ug dili jud ko muangkon. hahaha

admission against self interest man na, glacier! (now i sound like a lawyer)

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« Reply #201 on: March 17, 2009, 08:14:51 PM »
niangkon na ka nga ungoy ka.

ako wa pa, ug dili jud ko muangkon. hahaha

admission against self interest man na, glacier! (now i sound like a lawyer)

ang wa nimo pag-angkon wa man na makawala kung unsay tinood, di ba atty. U? hahaha


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #203 on: March 23, 2009, 07:46:35 AM »
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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #204 on: March 23, 2009, 08:21:20 AM »
ang pagka 51st state!

no wisdom kay trilion dollars ang utang ng US! Jezzzz!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #205 on: March 23, 2009, 11:50:33 AM »
there wouldn't be enough space for another star in the US flag. let's forget it. and focus our national development instead.

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« Reply #206 on: March 23, 2009, 12:20:53 PM »
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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #207 on: March 23, 2009, 02:14:41 PM »
Namaligya naman gani ang ug Submarino diri sa Asia kay wala nay sapi ang US, nagsalig nalang gud na sila sa Asia, unya magsakup na hinoon dakong dimalas kong mauhon na.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #208 on: March 24, 2009, 01:20:40 AM »
let's just keep our friendly relations with the US. that will do.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #209 on: March 24, 2009, 01:27:10 AM »
let's just keep our friendly relations with the US. that will do.

that's right but never to expect that greater Filipinos likes to be a part of USA, it will never and never happen, east has east culture.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #210 on: March 24, 2009, 09:09:18 AM »
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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #211 on: March 24, 2009, 10:03:28 AM »
hell no to US nevah n evah!

Wad, ako sad banana kay nevah to Flipins sad!

hahahhaahha

huy honest malipay baja mamati ang Merika ana kay dili man jud sila mo sakop na sa Flipins kay humana ilang tujo sa una noh? wa pa mo mangatawo! and that was our lumber!!!

marama man jud ang Merika! ilang giamigo si Uncle Marcos until nahuman ilang tujo, pagka coup de etat bitaw wa man nila tabangi si Uncle Makoy!

mahay si Melda!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #212 on: March 24, 2009, 10:11:31 AM »
i think the feeling is mutual. they don't want to get married. kabit-kabit lang ilang gusto.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #213 on: March 24, 2009, 10:13:33 AM »
i think the feeling is mutual. they don't want to get married. kabit-kabit lang ilang gusto.


mas lami Glace di ba? hahahahha



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #214 on: March 24, 2009, 10:26:31 AM »

mas lami Glace di ba? hahahahha



lami kay tago-tago man. thrilling. samot nag og gamay rag time, suliton jud tanang segundo. mao pod ang US-Phils...hahahahaha.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2009, 10:27:00 AM »
lol. I love the colorful discourse in this thread. I love reading the responses.

As of right now the US has no interest in making the Philippines a state. Right now, too much problems to worry about. The relationship between Manila and Washington will remain: Strategic Allies.

90 million mouths to feed would be a strategic problem, right now. Considering the economic situation.

But who knows. 50-100 years from now, will be a different story.

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« Reply #216 on: March 24, 2009, 10:43:51 AM »
i don't care if they remain close "friends" so long as US will be answerable in case Phils gets pregnant. lol

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2009, 10:53:23 AM »
kana noon naa jud manubag Glace! di na jud na pwede layas-layasan kay ang tatay nga bisan nag tapis ra to ug patadyung nga nag bitbit ug sundang mo dasdas jud!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #218 on: March 24, 2009, 11:08:50 AM »
ang nakafait kay kining bayahana mosugot ra bag pabikangkangon nya oko ra sad layas-layasan...hahahaha.

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« Reply #219 on: March 24, 2009, 11:13:24 AM »
hahahhaha! na unsa naman ta ani Glace!

murag loose na kaajo ang screws sa atong utok!

hahhahahahh

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #220 on: March 24, 2009, 12:23:26 PM »
mdb,

ang helicopter gigamit ni mckoy ug meldy paglayas sa malacanang kay US man to. basin they want to get rid of him na sad.

but history would have been more colorful had the Americans left Marcos to defend himself against the rioting mob of edsa 1, hahaha.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #221 on: March 24, 2009, 01:44:31 PM »
mdb,

ang helicopter gigamit ni mckoy ug meldy paglayas sa malacanang kay US man to. basin they want to get rid of him na sad.

but history would have been more colorful had the Americans left Marcos to defend himself againstthe rioting mob of edsa 1, hahaha.

marcos could have defended if kung wa masayop ug dungog ang piloto. hehehe

 ingon man jud ang piloto nga where will you like to go,sir.  ingon pod si Marcos Bring me to Paoay.  ok sir hawaii it is... ;D

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #222 on: March 24, 2009, 03:22:56 PM »
naay istorya, sa dihang milupad na helicopter from malacanang grounds sakay ang former dictator ug ang immediate family. nag dictate si macoy sa piloto:

macoy - "BRING ME TO PAOAY!!*%#!!!"

sa taliwa sa kagubot ug kaalingogngog. ang nadungog sa piloto, hawaii instead of paoay, ilocos norte...... the rest is history.....

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #223 on: March 24, 2009, 03:28:31 PM »
i don't care if they remain close "friends" so long as US will be answerable in case Phils gets pregnant. lol

lol i love your use of figurative language, Glace.

Poet jud ka. ;D

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #224 on: March 24, 2009, 03:32:29 PM »
mdb,

ang helicopter gigamit ni mckoy ug meldy paglayas sa malacanang kay US man to. basin they want to get rid of him na sad.

but history would have been more colorful had the Americans left Marcos to defend himself against the rioting mob of edsa 1, hahaha.

Marcos in the end did control himself and showed his brilliancy in the very end. the mob were rioting, the Army was called out to put them down--via live fire.

Marcos, seeing the inevitability, instead of brutally putting down the protests by force, he acquiesced to the will of the people.

A true Machiavellian ruler, yet with the realism of Thomas Paine and Locke.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #225 on: March 24, 2009, 03:59:21 PM »
and a fake one who faked his ww2 medals. he was warned by reagan not to use arm my friend.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #226 on: March 24, 2009, 04:03:15 PM »
these marcos loving pipol are mislead by history. thats the marcos power to mislead his pipol and brought them to missery while enriching himself.

do you know that phil. national bank in his time seemed that he own it?

anong taon ka nang ngayari ito? nandito kaba ng namuno sya?

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2009, 04:08:25 PM »
minsan kasi akala natin na ang mga taong nagsalita ay akala mo kasama sila o nandito sila nong mga araw nayun. oo, kasama sa mga crony nga nag enjoy that dictatorship power and enriching themslves at nalasing sa kapangyarihan with the expense sa freedom of political prisoners at sa mga negosyo na kinuha nila!....

pwera gaba uy!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #228 on: March 24, 2009, 04:09:22 PM »
these marcos loving pipol are mislead by history. thats the marcos power to mislead his pipol and brought them to missery while enriching himself.

do you know that phil. national bank in his time seemed that he own it?

anong taon ka nang ngayari ito? nandito kaba ng namuno sya?

Nahinumdom ka ba niadto kong ang Cedula (residence certificate) expire na unya ma check point ka ipakaon ang expire cedula sa tag-iya. kana nakita ko lang kay gamay pa ko niadtong panahona during matial law.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #229 on: March 24, 2009, 04:11:09 PM »
oo datz. daghang pilipino nga mga bright pero bolok ug gahig olo diay..... sayang no?

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« Reply #230 on: March 24, 2009, 04:26:57 PM »
I remember reading an article written by one of my professors several years back (during undergraduate years) that related the rule of Marcos with that of Robespierre's Administration in Revolutionary France. The romanticization of Robespierre and Marcos in their defiant hold of power, and the damage done to the people for the belief of national solidarity.

I wish I could find a copy of that article, so I could share it.

sige, lets move on na lang since this is a sensitive topic for some.

Peace with you Buwad. Ayaw lang pa suko, ha.

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« Reply #231 on: March 24, 2009, 04:46:25 PM »
This is an interesting article that reiterates the view of the American President, William McKinley. A pro-Imperialist and supporter of American Manifest Destiny. In regards to The Philippines.

I want you guys to read it and give a response.





Manifest Destiny, Continued: McKinley Defends U.S. Expansionism

In 1899 Americans divided sharply over whether to annex the Philippines. Annexationists and anti-annexationists, despite their differences, generally agreed that the U.S. needed opportunities for commercial expansion but disagreed over how to achieve that goal. Few believed that the Philippines themselves offered a crucial commercial advantage to the U.S., but many saw them as a crucial way station to Asia. “Had we no interests in China,” noted one advocate of annexation, “the possession of the Philippines would be meaningless.” In the Paris Peace negotiations, President William McKinley demanded the Philippines to avoid giving them back to Spain or allowing a third power to take them. One explanation of his reasoning came from this report of a delegation of Methodist church leaders. The emphasis on McKinley’s religious inspiration for his imperialist commitments may have been colored by the religious beliefs of General James Rusling. But Rusling’s account of the islands, falling unbidden on the U.S., and the arguments for taking the islands reflect McKinley’s official correspondence on the topic. McKinley disingenuously disavowed the U.S. military action that brought the Philippines under U.S. control, and acknowledged, directly and indirectly, the equally powerful forces of racism, nationalism, and especially commercialism, that shaped American actions.

The Message From Pres. McKinley:


Hold a moment longer! Not quite yet, gentlemen! Before you go I would like to say just a word about the Philippine business. I have been criticized a good deal about the Philippines, but don’t deserve it. The truth is I didn’t want the Philippines, and when they came to us, as a gift from the gods, I did not know what to do with them. When the Spanish War broke out Dewey was at Hongkong, and I ordered him to go to Manila and to capture or destroy the Spanish fleet, and he had to; because, if defeated, he had no place to refit on that side of the globe, and if the Dons were victorious they would likely cross the Pacific and ravage our Oregon and California coasts. And so he had to destroy the Spanish fleet, and did it! But that was as far as I thought then.

When I next realized that the Philippines had dropped into our laps I confess I did not know what to do with them. I sought counsel from all sides—Democrats as well as Republicans—but got little help. I thought first we would take only Manila; then Luzon; then other islands perhaps also. I walked the floor of the White House night after night until midnight; and I am not ashamed to tell you, gentlemen, that I went down on my knees and prayed Almighty God for light and guidance more than one night. And one night late it came to me this way—I don’t know how it was, but it came: (1) That we could not give them back to Spain—that would be cowardly and dishonorable; (2) that we could not turn them over to France and Germany—our commercial rivals in the Orient—that would be bad business and discreditable; (3) that we could not leave them to themselves—they were unfit for self-government—and they would soon have anarchy and misrule over there worse than Spain’s was; and (4) that there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God’s grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow-men for whom Christ also died. And then I went to bed, and went to sleep, and slept soundly, and the next morning I sent for the chief engineer of the War Department (our map-maker), and I told him to put the Philippines on the map of the United States (pointing to a large map on the wall of his office), and there they are, and there they will stay while I am President!

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5575/

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #232 on: March 24, 2009, 05:08:17 PM »

but the reality is why is that the US will not leave Subic and Angeles military bases? they even pay rent inorder to stay on the islands. only mt. pinatubo gave the final order and these afraid americans went home hurriedly leaving behind prostitution, venerial disease, drug use and an industruial waste they did not care to clean. now, they're coming back again using the visiting forces agreement alibi.

pipol here are shouting - "YANKEE GO HOME!!!" and these voices are getting louder each year.
   


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #233 on: March 24, 2009, 05:09:33 PM »

I thought that was true, during the time that geater Filipinos (poor filipinos) did an underground movement against them 'the americans and the Pro-Am) in the Philippines.

But, in this generation very different it's a reverse situation happened in the Philippines,  why?  because the role of America now in the Philippine it seems an  undercover, they are moving here in the Philippine through underground movement.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #234 on: March 24, 2009, 05:11:42 PM »
but the reality is why is that the US will not leave Subic and Angeles military bases? they even pay rent inorder to stay on the islands. only mt. pinatubo gave the final order and these afraid americans went home hurriedly leaving behind prostitution, venerial disease, drug use and an industruial waste they did not care to clean. now, they're coming back again using the visiting forces agreement alibi.

pipol here are shouting - "YANKEE GO HOME!!!" and these voices are getting louder each year.
  


Buwad, The United States will never leave the Philippines. That is the truth.

Strategically, way too important for the US.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #235 on: March 24, 2009, 05:13:13 PM »
Interesting point, Datu. Perhaps you want to start a new thread on the Philippine-American War?

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #236 on: March 24, 2009, 05:19:26 PM »
datu/lorenzo, all i can say is these americans are like count draculas they will not leave us alone here until they'll suck dry all our pilipino blood.

toso! 

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #237 on: March 24, 2009, 05:21:56 PM »
Buwad, even though I may not agree with your statement, I will respect your point of view.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #238 on: March 24, 2009, 05:29:25 PM »

Imagine, who is supplying modern Guns and Ammunitions to the anti-Philippine Gov’t and other lawless elements in the country? 

Everybody believe that America did these matters but they don’t have evidence tungod kay gihimo nila pasikreto. 


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #239 on: March 24, 2009, 05:35:27 PM »
these insurgents are using m16s!!! Jesus. to the americans it's business!

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