Author Topic: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America? (Read 83880 times)

Lorenzo · « **Reply #120 on:** January 15, 2009, 03:37:36 AM »

The educational advances of the Philippines under American administration progressed what the Spaniards had institutionalized during their tenure in the archipelago. As for government and control; the Americans capitalized in what Spain had established in the islands. Which was an effective and fairly smooth Imperial Bureaucracy.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #121 on:** January 15, 2009, 11:04:41 AM »

Leo brought up a good point in one thread;

the opposition of conservative isolationists and nativists to the notion of American acquisition of the Philippines.

I never thought of it--but he does make a good point.

Considering the growing American hostility towards illegal immigration--I wonder what the American view is towards possibility of Philippine Assimilation.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #122 on:** January 15, 2009, 11:45:13 AM »

Considering the growing American hostility towards illegal immigration--I wonder what the American view is towards possibility of Philippine Assimilation.

i'd wonder enzo if there's one!

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leoello · « **Reply #123 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:18:28 PM »

Leo brought up a good point in one thread;

the opposition of conservative isolationists and nativists to the notion of American acquisition of the Philippines.

I never thought of it--but he does make a good point.

Considering the growing American hostility towards illegal immigration--I wonder what the American view is towards possibility of Philippine Assimilation.

I'm just speaking from my own Filipino American point of view, just think of how the current dialogue of "illlegal immigrants" (don't we call it 'TNT'?) will be heightened?

Just think, it was even hard to get a Hawaiian in office and people still demand a copy of Obama's birth certificate.

I can only speak from the American side because our people who've experienced the Philippine system, at the end of the day, truly have the expertise to decide what is best for themselves.

In terms of US policy----I could see more debates rising in terms of social services, the issue of wealth disparity & universal healthcare will sky rocket.

For example------How will the US dollar equalize the Philippine peso system?

There will be strong advocacy against accepting the Muslim autonomous region. And there will be more incentive for more American corporations to carve out and gentrify places like Bohol's Chocolate Hills as our Appalachian Mountains faces. My main point is power relationships will always exist. That's my reality seeing different the development of different parts of the United States. The South rural disinvestment to the industrial north, rising cost of living in US cities, will be magnified in a place that will model the statehood of Hawaii's "paradise".

On the other hand, I feel the US can learn so much from the Cooperative and participatory democracy models of the Philippines. I was sharing in my blog how even after Hurricane Katrina, we were arguing for similar region-wide legislation like the 1991 LGU code for the recovery of our cities like New Orleans and Mississippi Coast. Local entities had no control of the Federal money for those intended.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #124 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:24:43 PM »

Interesting point, Leo. You mentioned the Industrial North's tendency to take advantage of the poorer regions--making reference to the south and the strip mining of the Appalachian Mountains. When you mentioned, this, I did remember reading in a history text of the massive coal mining the United States had in place in the Philippines in its brief 50 year tenure.

Do you think that IF the Philippines was, hypothetically placed as an American State, that its untapped natural resource would be targeted by industrial corporations?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #125 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:37:43 PM »

Leo, you mentioned the cooperative and participatory democracy in place in the Philippines. I think one of the pros of the Philippines is the creation of the region system. Super Regions. For example, Bohol, Cebu and surrounding areas are part of Region VII. It capitalizes on the financial power of the provinces combined.

I think if something like this region or super region concept was incorporated in the United States, I think that development of some poorer states would come faster. It would tap the common economic strengths of the states involved. Per se the south--would be agriculture, and tourism, as well as manufacturing.

In the north, if states such as Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware and New York were grouped together as one region, it would pool the financial strengths of all states involved.

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leoello · « **Reply #126 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:42:32 PM »

Do you think that IF the Philippines was, hypothetically placed as an American State, that its untapped natural resource would be targeted by industrial corporations?

That can be seen both as a risk or as a blessing to some. Maybe the existing barangays would have a strong advocate infrastructure for conservation and it will be declared Federally protected lands.

I'm just trying to look to familiar models like Hawaii, they have a hidden population of poverty and cost of living is enormous. And they have never achieved high political capital in Federal legislation. They are on the margins. Or let's look to further West like the island of Palau, poor island that was seized for US-site on nuclear war testing, or closer to the States such as Puerto Rico that suffer environmental/toxic degradation from their US Bases. Or our Chamorro people in Guam that are in political/economic limbo being a U.S. territory despite the UN's recommendations for a more permanent status.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #127 on:** January 15, 2009, 12:50:03 PM »

Excellent points, Leo.

Very interesting points.

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tagalomanoy · « **Reply #128 on:** January 16, 2009, 10:19:42 AM »

This is my personal view:

1.. You will lose your identity as a Filipino

2. AS an American, probably you will be told to sing the Star Spangled Banner and in your local gatherings, possibly you will be allowed to Lupang Hinirang or not at all.

3. Our heroes from Lapulapu who repulsed the first foreign invaders to General Miguel Malvar, the last Filipino General to stand against the American will probably be sad to know that their fight was in vain because a foreign flag is standing,waving and flying in our PHILIPPINE skies

4. Militarily, being an American territory, and the Philippines being in the strategic position in the Pacific region, would be a good target of this Russians and its allies in its desire for their expansionist motives.

5. On the other hand, if the Philippines was then the 51st state, I would not be surprised that we will be economically sound as we are now, as some would believed. However, states as you mentioned the states are just as poor as we are. But in contrqst with those migrants who are really in American soil enjoying the milk and honey with the American citizens.

In February, 1986, we tried successsfully to unmask the lady with the Timbangan. At the start, it was good, as if a new life had sprouted for good. After 22 years, we proved it to be a faiure. Can we not make a second try. Kuhaon ra gud nato utro kanang tabon nga naka purong sa mga mata nianang babae nga nagdala anang timbangan. Kambiohan nato ug ba g-ong taban kanang dili siya taga-an nga maka lili. Kanang baga ug itom. Tan-awon lang nato nga dili matabunan ang iyang dalunggan. Inighusay kun kinsa ang sad-an, dili niya makita ang mga gihusay ug ang iya lamang nga madunog ang mga argumentno basi sa mga panghitabo nga i-asoy sa mga nagreklamo ug girreklamohan.

Ang sad-an, kinahanglan pakanaugan ug silot nga tukma angay alang kaniya, madato man kana ug pobre, makusgan man kana ug luyat, ilado man kana ug wala hiilhi.

Let us see to it that the people , (the population who voted these officials into power) shall be the voice of the government- meaning the POWER. Iba ang nangyar sa atin ngayon. The Those sitting in the government today from the President to the last sitio leader had already forgotten that the power bestowed upon them is temporary and voter-given one. And these voters who catapulted them to power may be any and one of the following:

1. Walay pagpakabana ksy na pura o gikapuyan na;

2. Dato ilado sigureo ug mura usab ug na hatagan ug pabor sa karon nga kagamhanan

3. Naay negosyo nnga gipanalipdan, sosyo ba sa nagaatungdanan

4. Sigi lang, mahuman ra bitaw na human upat o tuulo ka tuig

Scam from the Sitio leader to the highest position of the land is already in the news. the systems have decayed and is in the advance state of decomposition. Graft and corruption is rampant already in the high places. These unnecessary PORK Barrels given to the congressmen and Senators should be diverted to build rooms for the school children and improve the educational system. Wala na sanang mag clase under the mango tree and one school for the rich and another for the poor.

But look today, te disorder is lud and and clear. The SC is now saddened by the news that there is the unimplemented decision of the highest court. The sword of Damocles is now over the Head of CJ Puno. If this will be capitalized by those who are inclined to disturb the Motherland, this will really ignite into something uncontrollable and further deteriorate the volatile peace and order of the country..

The recent controversy is that of the DOJ, they are now throwing mad and stones at each other. forgetting that their accusation against each other is just like a broken glass making them more vulnerable to a more and a comprehensive investigation of what is really going on inside. the department. Just trying to hear their arguments, we can surmise that something bad is really happening in that department.

As of now, majority of our people forget that there is still power left for people who made these officials powerful. MAGKAHIUSA UG IPAABOT ANG MGA HINAING NGADTO KANILA NGA NAG-ALAGAD/ Not just a small percent. but it will be a concerted effort to be felt tby the government.
Get rid of corruption and improve the public service.

The solution is " Ang tambal ana, KAMBIOHAN UG BAGANG PANAPTON ANG TABON SA IYANG MGA MATA. JUSTICE WOULD BE SERVED WHOEVER HE MAY BE. the people must united for good or as a divided natiojn, we will fall.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #129 on:** January 16, 2009, 01:03:35 PM »

Filipinos are still the Philippine's best hope

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grazie7y · « **Reply #130 on:** January 16, 2009, 02:38:32 PM »

bulls eye, calle!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #131 on:** January 17, 2009, 03:23:11 AM »

tagalomanoy,

That was a well put statement, interesting and valid points.

Thank you, sir, for sharing that with all of us.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #132 on:** January 19, 2009, 09:20:06 AM »

bulls eye, calle!

thanks grazie! i like your idea nga mainvolve ang tb sa greening project sa agora kung na man gani. kung ang contractor maoy maghimo ana mas maayo. kung wala, mau unta nay adopt a tree program nya mag adopt ang tb ug pila kabouk.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #133 on:** January 19, 2009, 02:58:09 PM »

korek, calle! let's see basin pwede ta mo involve ani. maayo na lang naa tay involvement sa atoa.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #134 on:** January 19, 2009, 03:17:46 PM »

sige, kung unsa man gani, maminaw na lang sa ta unsa buhaton sa contractor sa agora para maka-act ta. pero kung naa unta makapangutana sa contractor mas mau para maka-act dayon ta.

Kudos grazie!

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eunelerz · « **Reply #135 on:** February 20, 2009, 02:57:58 PM »

Murag lisod naman kung ang Philippines ma apil pa sa America haha ... crisis naman daan, mo samot pa gyud

Pagka fa-et

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #136 on:** February 20, 2009, 09:20:56 PM »

trillion dollars ang utang sa mga kano! graabbeeee!

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Datu Dagohoy · « **Reply #137 on:** February 21, 2009, 08:41:45 PM »

i say, we are fortunate being off of US, look people living in the US they should work at least 12 to 16 hours daily just to support their basic needs while in our country 8 hours is enough to support our basic needs we are happiest people compare to the people living in the US.

Believe it or not, people living in US its very difficult for them to own House & Lot, more than 1/2 of their population are usually renting only a very small flat While in the Philippines the only pooriest among poor don't have owned a house and lot.

Have you noticed Filipinos migrating to US when the left here in our country they have good shelter if not a house but while in the US most of them are almost like squatters.
10 to 15 years saving money for just to buy an airline ticket go back to our beloved Phil. is that we call them rich people ha! ha! ha! Ha! akoy natatawa lang sa mga Filipino sa America, naa ba moy hectarya hectaya yuta diha ha! ha! ha!

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #138 on:** February 23, 2009, 01:01:34 PM »

never to US statehood. never and ever! this is a shame!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #139 on:** February 23, 2009, 03:31:50 PM »

over my dead kuku na man ko ini sa una pa.

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #140 on:** February 24, 2009, 01:23:31 AM »

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bol-anon_ko · « **Reply #141 on:** February 24, 2009, 01:24:18 AM »

i say, we are fortunate being off of US, look people living in the US they should work at least 12 to 16 hours daily just to support their basic needs while in our country 8 hours is enough to support our basic needs we are happiest people compare to the people living in the US.

Believe it or not, people living in US its very difficult for them to own House & Lot, more than 1/2 of their population are usually renting only a very small flat While in the Philippines the only pooriest among poor don't have owned a house and lot.

Have you noticed Filipinos migrating to US when the left here in our country they have good shelter if not a house but while in the US most of them are almost like squatters.
10 to 15 years saving money for just to buy an airline ticket go back to our beloved Phil. is that we call them rich people ha! ha! ha! Ha! akoy natatawa lang sa mga Filipino sa America, naa ba moy hectarya hectaya yuta diha ha! ha! ha!

200% BS... SOUR GRAPING.. grabeha pod na 10 to 15 years para makauli lang..

isn't it a shame to show off once ignorance?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #142 on:** February 24, 2009, 03:13:05 AM »

wa lagi yuta didto sa US, pero, dollar man. lol

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kiamoy · « **Reply #143 on:** February 24, 2009, 05:48:53 AM »

mau jud..dollar nga pagkadaghan sag asa pwede adto-an

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #144 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:02:06 PM »

Kinsa ingoon walay yuta diri sa USA?

lol

USA is one of the largest nations (in land mass, in military power and economic prowess).

I have a friend who went to college with me in Allegheny. He has a family farm that stretches over 300+ acres of land.

That is just a 'small farm'.

lol

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #145 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:12:03 PM »

Datu,

The state of California (which is one state of the 50 states that make up these United States) is bigger in land mass than Japan or the Philippines.

We have states such as Minnesota, South and North Dakota, Tennessee, Kentucky, Kansas, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Washington, Oregon, etc etc that are vast lands.

Most of these United States are uninhabited. Still virgin fertile land.

This is what Land is

:

A 'small' farm in Minnesota

American Prairies.

Prairie Lands

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #146 on:** March 03, 2009, 11:15:50 PM »

hahahahaahahhhaaha!

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Bambi · « **Reply #147 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:17:56 AM »

Kinsa ingoon walay yuta diri sa USA?

lol

USA is one of the largest nations (in land mass, in military power and economic prowess).

I have a friend who went to college with me in Allegheny. He has a family farm that stretches over 300+ acres of land.

That is just a 'small farm'.

lol

Pare, unsaon naman lang ang moanha nga mga Pinoy farmer nga "way traktor driving license"... magdala sa ilang mga kabaw? lol

Bitaw... nindot huna-hunaon to enjoy some social benefits ( but the American people have enough problems) I think...I will stay in Bohol and look forward for the best and proud to be as Pinoy as ever!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #148 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:26:22 AM »

haha, you have a beautiful point, Pare.

And I respect your point.

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janjan · « **Reply #149 on:** March 04, 2009, 05:11:40 AM »

200% BS... SOUR GRAPING.. grabeha pod na 10 to 15 years para makauli lang..

isn't it a shame to show off once ignorance?

mao grabiha sad na... ako lagi maka afford man me every 6 months mouli sa pinas mao na plano namo kon mo retire na aho banana
hoy datug dagohoy kadagko mga farm mga tawo diri sa nort america , ang poor diri mao na e ca kompare sa mga datu dinha sa ato

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #150 on:** March 04, 2009, 09:55:46 AM »

hehehehehe, galit si datu sa america..

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #151 on:** March 04, 2009, 09:58:51 AM »

ana jud nang mga datu, bwad. mangisog gyud. hehehe.
aw, kining amerika datu man pod lagi, mao pong isug.
therefore, si datu ug si amerika parehong isug.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #152 on:** March 04, 2009, 10:00:53 AM »

datung pobre kay trillion ang utang. california bangkarote! bweeee gi gabaan!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #153 on:** March 04, 2009, 10:13:50 AM »

datung pobre kay trillion ang utang. california bangkarote! bweeee gi gabaan!

murag magkakampi ning si datu ug buwad da. hehehe, peace buwad.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #154 on:** March 04, 2009, 10:16:46 AM »

hehehe! luoy man gud kos mga veteranos gyera nga giilad sa mga kano!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #155 on:** March 04, 2009, 11:00:20 AM »

hehehe! luoy man gud kos mga veteranos gyera nga giilad sa mga kano!

sila maoy gipaon...? tsk, tsk, tsk. sa man? lol.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #156 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:30:42 PM »

padaghanay tag kwarta la? LOL

bitaw, bisan ang pobre diha maoy datu na diri, dili pud ikalimod nga mas malipayon mi diri. bleuhhhh

peace.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #157 on:** March 04, 2009, 01:46:28 PM »

tama, mas malipayon dari, relax environment! barato ang beer.

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Datu Dagohoy · « **Reply #158 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:24:36 PM »

padaghanay tag kwarta la? LOL

bitaw, bisan ang pobre diha maoy datu na diri, dili pud ikalimod nga mas malipayon mi diri. bleuhhhh

peace.

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Datu Dagohoy · « **Reply #159 on:** March 04, 2009, 04:53:22 PM »

padaghanay tag kwarta la? LOL

bitaw, bisan ang pobre diha maoy datu na diri, dili pud ikalimod nga mas malipayon mi diri. bleuhhhh

peace.

Ang mga Pinoy diha sa US looy kaayo kay Gilalo lang mo sa Americano, Why? gipa-anha mo para magtrabaho di ba? Karon usa usahon nato aron inyong masabtan ug maayo nganong nasulti ko niani.

Gipa-anha ang mga Pinoy diha, karon magbayad siempre ang looy'ng Pinoy ng Visa O uban papelis sa Gov't ng America, magbayad puy-anan nga tag-iya Americano, mupalit ug sakyanan ug mga gamit sa balay, pagkaon sa genosyanting Americano, bayad sa currente, tubig sa Gov't parin ng America, (kining tanan may VAT na nga mapadulong sa Gov't ng America)

Usa pa , ana-a pay direct nga income tax.

sa tinood lang kong kwentahon tanan ang malimpyo lang sa usa ka Pinoy sa iyang income kada buwan ay more or less 40 % lang sa iyang swueldo. mao na ka difficult mamoyo sa America, Autralia ug Canada.

ang Conclusion sa padayon nga pag-imbeta ug Pinoy ang Gov't ng America, tungod kay nakita nila nga dako ang maitabang ang Pinoy sa pagunlad sa ilang Gov't. ang looy ang mga Pinoy nga gihuthutan lang sa Goerno ng America.

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