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The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« on: March 05, 2013, 01:52:54 PM »
The other side of Benedict XVI


by Aloysius Lopez Cartagenas
02/27/2013

In the summer of 1999 I was in a small group which was invited to a meeting with the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Little did we know he would later become Benedict XVI. We were all rectors of theological seminaries from different places in the world, and ours was the duty of training future priests and, in a certain way, future bishops as well. His was the duty to ensure the correctness of church teachings in these institutions.

All of us were very anxious. Based on portrayals we heard, we could not help but imagined him to be an ogre of a man and expected God’s Rottweiler to lecture us on orthodoxy. But we were all proven wrong.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2013, 01:53:53 PM »
In his 10-minute speech a gentle but firm human being reminded us that theology can be fruitful only in honest and mutual relations with other scientific and intellectual pursuits. He also challenged us to ensure that future priests develop the habits of dialogue and collaboration with people of other competences and expertise. He then spent the rest of the hour attentively listening to our concerns and problems, particularly in our relation to bishops. In the end, he surprised us all by insisting to have a photo with us!

When news broke about Benedict XVI’s resignation, I could not help but recall the side of him that we saw on that memorable summer day. Just as his humility, wisdom and courage left in me a lasting impression, his decision to resign, albeit shocking, is typical of the man: humble, wise and courageous.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 01:54:47 PM »
Humble is the leader who does not think and feel he is indispensable. To the whole world Benedict XVI has admitted that “his strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.” Clearly, unlike many bishops and priests that I know, he does not see his office as a privilege, a status or an entitlement. His is the office of strengthening his fellow bishops, not to lord it over them (1 Peter 5:3). That is why he did not hang on to it and for all his defects he is able to publicly ask for pardon.

Wise is the leader who thinks not of his own good but only the good of the entity he represents. Benedict XVI considers his resignation “a decision of great importance to the life of the Church.” To continue exercising the ministry he inherited from Peter in such a very inadequate personal circumstance would only bring harm than good for the whole church.

It's a lesson for some Filipino bishops and priests who in their old age and obvious inadequacy would rather seek for extension in office or permanence in assignment. They virtually identify the church’s common good with their own personal status and are clueless that their people are unnecessarily bearing the brunt.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 02:14:45 PM »
Courageous leap of faith

Benedict XVI’s decision is also courageous. Why resign now when, as Bruce Bradley, SJ puts it, “we live in a church manifestly struggling to come to terms with its inheritance from Vatican II.” Does Benedict XVI no longer believe the memory of Vatican II as a powerful force for renewal in the church and in the world?

It does not seem he is turning his back on the Council, although the few who are hostile to its vision and spirit would like him to do so. He is rather opening the way for another person who will be more up to the task of reinvigorating the church leadership in coming to terms with the unfinished project of Vatican II. After almost 8 years in office much work remains to be done but, in surrendering the office to the unknown, Benedict XV is making a courageous leap of faith.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 02:17:15 PM »
His resignation is unprecedented in the modern history of the papal office. Most modern popes consider themselves "father of God’s family" and paternity cannot be resigned. On two occasions John Paul II considered the possibility. But he did not after having concluded that a pope could not resign “except in the presence of an incurable illness or an impediment” that would prevent the exercise of the office.

Nonetheless, Benedict XVI’s resignation will hopefully set a precedent in a church accustomed to having popes ruling for life or bishops leading for decades. He is telling us that the office and its demands have priority over the human capacities or personal agenda of the office-holder.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 02:18:16 PM »
Needless to say, if bishops are required to retire upon reaching a certain age, popes, many theologians suggest, should not be exempt. As yet church law only provides legal guarantees for the validity of papal resignation should it happen.

Benedict XVI did not wait for an incurable illness or serious impediment or death. In doing so he is helping rescind the mystique surrounding the figure of popes in the church. Because of this mystique, according to Bishop Kevin Dowling, there is more than a perception “that unquestioning obedience by the faithful to the pope is required and is a sign of the ethos and fidelity of a true Catholic.” Worse, not a few would in fact leave the realms of papal esteem and love to traverse into the territory of fanaticism and myth.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2013, 02:19:06 PM »
Benedict XVI’s action may be a small step in stripping the papal office of the ensnaring mystique and unnecessary burden it has accumulated through the years. Nonetheless, his resignation may provide a stable ground from which the church can make a giant leap.

His surprise resignation places the office of Peter in an irreversible trajectory where it can be construed in a way more attuned to a world radically changed almost 5 decades after the Second Vatican Council. - Rappler.com

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 02:20:22 PM »
Aloysius Lopez Cartagenas is from Loon, Bohol. He is former rector of Seminario Mayor de San Carlos in Cebu City and member of the Damdaming Katoliko sa Teolohiya (DaKaTeo), a society of Catholic theologians in the Philippines. He is the author of a book "Unlocking the Church's Best Kept Secret" (Ateneo Press, 2012), an interdisciplinary study on the social teachings of the Catholic Church.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2013, 02:36:53 PM »
The Pope is very old. He retired from the works of the Lord. He is Pope Emiretus. He is receiving  32 thousand  Eu every month. At old, he is happy living in a free life than die old in the service of God, as what most Pope did.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2013, 03:10:25 PM »
ooops, where did you ever get that figure, sir fd?  also, we might trip by saying "he is happy living a free life than die old in the service of god..."

to the latter, may i say that we can never tell what's in a person's heart.  what we see on the face, like laughter or a happy smile, may not necessarily be what is really in a person's heart.  another thing, we all can serve god in whatever we are, pope or pauper.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2013, 03:13:01 PM »
For those who have not read the writings of His Holiness, Benedict XVI, I would liken it to a fresh spring breeze. He is an eloquent writer, and the message of God is so profound. He has given us so much , to the whole Church, through his writings. Generations , many unborn generations will read his writings and wonder in awe at his profound message. He answers each question I had in his three part series on Jesus Christ and the Importance of Doctrinal Truth.

He is a saint in our times. Truly. May God bless him always, all the days of his life.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2013, 03:14:41 PM »
It's a lesson for some Filipino bishops and priests who in their old age and obvious inadequacy would rather seek for extension in office or permanence in assignment. They virtually identify the church’s common good with their own personal status and are clueless that their people are unnecessarily bearing the brunt.

Agoi, kinsa kaha ning pinapatamaan nga Filipino bishops and priests... :P

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2013, 03:17:55 PM »
as for the monetary figure, here's a believable one, the source/s of which i can share as well--

italian media speculations:

Pope Benedict XVI who announced his resignation from office with effect from February 28 will be paid a pension of 2,500 euros a month, or about $3,340 according to several Italian media outlets, which quoted the amount of the pension usually paid to bishops.

The head of the Catholic Church does not officially have an income and doesn’t really get paid, the Vatican has said repeatedly in response to inquiries from the press over the years, adding that “he has his every need provided for by the Holy See”.

The Italian press however said, “but we know what Benedict will make once he relinquishes the papacy on Feb. 28. He will be paid a pension of 2,500 euros a month, or about $3,340".

There is no precedent for a papal pension. The last one to resign was in 1415; everybody else died in office but there are cases of retired bishops, and the pope is officially also the bishop of Rome.

The Vatican press office did not confirm the amount, but a spokesperson said that the pope’s needs, as well as those of whatever staff he might choose to retain in the Vatican monastery he is retiring to, “will be met.” (http://www.porscheclassy.com/2013/02/pope-benedict-to-earn-3340-retirement.html)


still, this is pure media speculation and not an official information.  it had to be taken in context.  and there's a whale of a difference between 32,000 euro and 2,500 euro.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2013, 03:20:12 PM »
Agoi, kinsa kaha ning pinapatamaan nga Filipino bishops and priests... :P

sakita ani uy...

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2013, 03:21:21 PM »
Thanks for the correction, Isles.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2013, 03:31:48 PM »
Humble is the leader who does not think and feel he is indispensable. To the whole world Benedict XVI has admitted that “his strengths, due to an advanced age, are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.” Clearly, unlike many bishops and priests that I know, he does not see his office as a privilege, a status or an entitlement.

He he, di jud ikalimod nga naay gipahinungdan aning iyang "bato-bato sa langit"... :)



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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2013, 03:35:40 PM »
more about a retired pope's "pay", in comparison with an average american's retirement pay...

Pope Benedict’s retirement package

By Sam Eyoboka with Agency reportMarch 2, 2013

After Pope Benedict XVI retires, he will get a 2,500-euro pension, a home in the Vatican, and other amenities. How does his retirement package compare with others?

Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, the 264th successor of Pope Peter and the 265th Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, who made his final farewell Thursday evening, is likely to have a much better retirement package than most American seniors, according to a CNBC contributor.

The retired pontiff is expected to receive a monthly pension of 2,500 euros ($3,266), which is near the maximum a person could receive on US Social Security, according to Italian newspaper La Stampa.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2013, 03:36:44 PM »
That translates to almost $3,300, or close to the monthly maximum of $3,350 that Social Security will pay to an American who retires this year.

“That’s quite rare,” Richard Johnson of Urban Institute told the broadcaster. One would have to wait until 70 when they retire and would have had to make the maximum pay stipulated by Social Security for a long time.

“For most people, if you look at the median, Social Security counts for about 40 per cent of their income. So it’s important, but people rely a lot on other savings, like pensions or 401(k) savings,” Johnson added.

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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2013, 03:37:36 PM »
The Roman Catholic Church will cover the expenses of Pope Emeritus Benedict, born Joseph Ratzinger, and will give him a Vatican home with cooked meals and housekeepers, the report said.

A big nest egg is not something the Pope emeritus has to worry about. The Roman Catholic Church will cover his living expenses, provide him with a spacious home inside the Vatican and pay for everything from cooked meals to housekeepers, according to The Telegraph.

Such services are not available to the typical American senior, unless he or she pays for an assisted living facility or resides in a nursing home, Johnson said.

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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2013, 03:38:59 PM »
What about waiting to retire until 85, as Benedict did? The average American retires at about 64, so working that long is unusual, Johnson noted.

“If you have a job you love, it’s great,” he said.

“(But) just like the pope, the biggest determinant of retirement is health status. When your health starts to deteriorate, that’s what often pushes people into retirement, sometimes earlier than expected.”

Health care costs are one of the big risks that older Americans face, and while Medicare pays for the bulk of their expenses, many things are left uncovered, Johnson said. Meanwhile, the pope emeritus will continue to be a member of the Vatican’s generous private health care policy, the BBC reported.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2013, 03:40:45 PM »
When he stepped down on Thursday, he said that he was glad to be “surrounded by the beauty of creation,” reported The Associated Press. “I am simply a pilgrim beginning the last leg of his pilgrimage on this Earth,” he added.

Next Monday, cardinals will meet to determine the next papal conclave to elect the new pope.

“May the College of Cardinals work like an orchestra, where diversity—an expression of the universal church—always works toward a higher and harmonious agreement,” Benedict said, according to AP.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2013, 03:42:13 PM »
other 'unofficial' info:

from forum members of http://forums.catholic.com/ on the question of how much does the pope receive as salary:

"If I'm not mistaken, JPII died with pretty much nothing to his name besides his favorite pair of shoes."

"The pope receives his salary after he passes away - he is buried with it. He receives one gold, silver, and copper euro coin for each year of service. I believe JPII was buried with just over 100 euro."

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2013, 09:24:27 AM »
“May the College of Cardinals work like an orchestra, where diversity—an expression of the universal church—always works toward a higher and harmonious agreement,” Benedict said, according to AP.

We hope that no one strikes a discordant note.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2013, 12:05:00 PM »
I love his take on this article... but the general sentiments of readers on my iphone say "this story makes people annoyed?" Really?!! LoL

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2013, 12:11:08 PM »
Remember this on Hans Kung: Why I Am Staying Catholic?

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Quote from: islander on February 27, 2013, 10:08:07 AM

unimaginable.  makahahadlok.  kun pari pa ko, adto na lang tingali ko sa pongkay mag-parish priest nungka adto ko i-assign sa magisterium nga maglurat lang ko kanunay.

Hahahaha. Tinuod jud. Bahalag bright pa ko, they can have the job. Ari na lang ko uban ni Tampolano ug Tampolano kay naa pay room for mortal men. But I love listening when they come up with stuff... because I used to come up with stuff also at different stage in my life. In fact, as a sinner like everybody else, I also come up with heretical and questioning thoughts that nobody will ever get to hear. That's the provilege of being not part of the theological forum bwahahaha. Our friend Alloysius Cartagenas in now one of them and he gets criticized to the max even for a beautiful article he wrote defending Pope Benedict XVI's resignation, bwahahaha. And this guy is one I have my highest respect and whose opinion I always seek...

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2013, 05:35:15 PM »
tarok sa alimpatakan, the reason why i colored blue and made bold his name as author and took care to copy and paste his background. :)

i won't forget this guy's kindness, his presence to co-celebrate my father's requiem mass (voluntary as he joined 6 other priests), going to tagbilaran just for the occasion (he went back to cebu right after), his quixotic fight against windmills, etc.  he doesn't know me, but he knows my sister.  i must say his heart and mind are in the right place.

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2013, 05:34:05 AM »
Remember this on Hans Kung: Why I Am Staying Catholic?

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Quote from: islander on February 27, 2013, 10:08:07 AM

unimaginable.  makahahadlok.  kun pari pa ko, adto na lang tingali ko sa pongkay mag-parish priest nungka adto ko i-assign sa magisterium nga maglurat lang ko kanunay.

Hahahaha. Tinuod jud. Bahalag bright pa ko, they can have the job. Ari na lang ko uban ni Tampolano ug Tampolano kay naa pay room for mortal men. But I love listening when they come up with stuff... because I used to come up with stuff also at different stage in my life. In fact, as a sinner like everybody else, I also come up with heretical and questioning thoughts that nobody will ever get to hear. That's the provilege of being not part of the theological forum bwahahaha. Our friend Alloysius Cartagenas in now one of them and he gets criticized to the max even for a beautiful article he wrote defending Pope Benedict XVI's resignation, bwahahaha. And this guy is one I have my highest respect and whose opinion I always seek...

can you post his works here? i'd like to read it! please and thank you!

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Re: The other side of Benedict XVI, according to a Boholano
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2013, 07:21:01 AM »
This is his work... as posted by Ms Isles

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