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So Russia attacked Georgia..
« on: August 10, 2008, 06:35:23 AM »
During the opening games of the Olympics, which are held in Beijing, China; the mighty Russian Federation attacked and has begun to send its military and paramilitary forces into the small nation of Georgia.

Georgia is also a staunch American Ally in the Caucasus region of Eurasia.

The reason for this military action is because the nation of Georgia has been actively fighting separatist forces whose main aim is to reunite with Russia. Russia, being obligatory as always towards its own interest, has provided war materiel to the separatists for almost 2 decades. And the recent Russian air bombings of Georgian cities, military bases and the capital city itself is indicative of its interest.

This is an act of war; Russia has overstepped its boundaries and has militarily threatened and attacked an ally of the United States of America.

My response to this is scoffing at the cowardly nature of the Russians. Perfect time for a big country, Russia, to attack a small shrimp, Georgia, during the day of all days. The Olympics. When the world's attention is in Beijing.

I await the response of the United States to Russia's interjection. Which, may I add, is a direct offense to American hegemony in the Eurasian Caucuses.


What are your views? Responses? If any.

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2008, 06:42:41 AM »
The United States of America needs to show support to Georgia, a strategic and military ally of the United States in the region. Georgia has been pivotal to the fight against terrorism as well is significant for American dreams of military umbrella-ship over Eurasia. The plan is to eclipse Russia's influence in the Eurasian region by 2015. The US has already planned to build a military base in the region; giving it a nuclear strangle-hold over not only Russia, but China, India, Iran.

The United States has also planned to implement a missile defense system in the region, Poland and Georgia, among many nations have agreed to accept American patronage; knowing that an American presence will deter further Russian advances and threats.

Russia's direct military assaults on Georgia itself as well as military bases in the country is, by all counts and purposes, a slap to the face of the United States.

By treaty and by law, the United States is entitled to defend the air space and ground territory of Georgia. A threat to Georgia, as any other military ally of the US, is equivalent to an attack and assault to the United States itself.


The Russians have balls to engage such operation. And I'm impressed by their strategy. Whether or not the US will engage further engagements as a military threat worthy of American military response. Who knows. Perhaps they already did.

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2008, 06:46:05 AM »
I just hope this won't be a start of a great war.

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2008, 06:55:37 AM »
The Russians believe that the United States will not defend Georgia because of America's military devotions to not only Iraq, but Afghanistan, but also in many parts of the world (just to name a few: France, Germany, UK, Philippines, Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Singapore, Latin America, Caribbean, Pacific etc). Russia believes that the United States has its resources too spread out to be of any direct threat to Russian dreams of expansion.

And their dreams are real. Theirs is the goal to reunite with former USSR states (Georgia, Kazhak, Uzbek, Lith, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, etc). Who will challenge Russia? India? Of course not, the Indians are dependent on Russian military hardware; most of India's air force are Russian-made. Its navy is Russian-made, and will continue to be so. Will China engage Russia? Of course not. China is weak compared to Russia; and like India, China is dependent on Russian military hardware and equipment. Additionally, China's goal is to enlarge itself economically and a war with a nation like the Russian Federation, would be disastrous if not suicidal for Beijing's dreams of becoming the economic super power of the world. The European Union? The EU will buckle to her knees due to its total dependence on Russia for oil and energy. The EU does not have a combined military force to even challenge a mighty force of the Russian Federation.

The only nation in this earth that has the ability of glassing every single inch of Russian soil is the United States.

Bring it on, Ruskies. :)



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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 06:01:30 AM »
It is Georgia was first, who opened fire on South Ossetia, in Russian's citizens and peacemakers. they was killed many grandfathers, women and children. They are Americans get heat another's hands and wish to have cheap oil. It is America has given to Georgia the weapon, planes and tanks, they are the American instructors helped in prompting rockets. If all the conflict from you flashes, Americans, and from USA of a stone on a stone does not remain. Ukraine never will be in NATO. And if there will be a war, we, Russians we will give to you of Sacred Slap in the face which you will not get off to you for all those insults and humiliations. Because we - Russians. The Yankee go home and is better to you to be silent, while we, Russians have not shut you mouths!!

And chields are perishing now. Our, simple chields. And you think, it is aggression. This big grief. When hundreds in a peace time perish. And if the discontent wave if we, Russians, angrily rise in full growth goes. That of the khan to your America and all other who will be not agree with opinion of our people and who will oppose us.
It is scandalous cry from the heart about injustice and information war, that all does from Russia an aggressor, and from Georgia the small country, which such unfortunate what already wanting to wanting cry . You probably saw the president of Georgia. Its appearance on TV. AND SO. When all of you will lead on the slaughter-house, know, that all a deceit, and we in what are not guilty. These are all inventions of those who sits over the world. Also ask the God that world war has not begun. Our nuclear rockets on all will suffice. Let Ukraine and not nuclear power, and our president licks an ass to yours. We have enough people to support Russia in its just cause!

I don't English very well.. But it's my words to you, People of USA. And it's words from many of us. Good luck))
Evil's Smile in gates of Hell

The dark side from way of light
Our world is spiteful cries
Welcome to eternity, my friend

Our death and war began
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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 06:14:33 AM »
In the Ministry of Defence of Georgia work 127 American military advisers


In the Ministry of Defence of Georgia 127 military advisers from the Ministry of Defence of the USA work, the constant representative of the Russian Federation has informed at UN Security Council session at the United Nations Vitaly Tchurkin.

Earlier ????????????? military men have declared that on the party of Georgia mercenaries are at war. As a result of fights in ???????? black fighters in the form of the Georgian armed forces are killed.
2008-08-11 00:38

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So I want to say. All, that I was has told - the truth. Also that fact is great, that war ???? will begin. And there will be rocket blows of our rockets to America. And our rockets even are not fixed by a radar))
It not to be at war with helpless Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan. With the countries, who  don't have nuclear  arms and the arms as that) (Generally at all of them old). And no companions can help you))
And if we unite with China and Germany))) That to you precisely gets.
I do not wish to tell anything against the people of America. And any other people. I do not wish anybody to offend, but look to the truth in eyes. Politicians do what in no event could not be done!
I simply try to understand and analyse your and my opinions. Opinion of domestic and foreign mass-media.
Write, that you think in this occasion. Also do not give to me ban. It is the most easier)

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 06:35:20 AM »
Human from Ukraine it may be too ignorant of me..But I really do hope and pray that this won't start a great war. :(


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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 01:11:50 PM »
Russia unite with Germany and China?

China is completely linked to American economic growth.

The fact is, that Russia Invaded Georgia. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbXS9CNVotg


In response to HumanfromUkraine,

The United States would glass every single inch of Russia if it even dared to send one missile to the United States. Russia is in no condition to even challenge the United States. Our military is unparalleled. :)

The entire NATO bloc would support the United States if Russia were to even further expand its war plans. It might not have dawn to your conclusion, but the United States has thousands of nuclear warheads that are ready and active. You talk of missiles that cannot be tracked by US military. Sir, the United States monitors every single missile (ICBM) launched from any where in the world. If an ICBM was tracked coming towards American soil from any where around the world; then it would be answered by a complete response of America's missile defense.

America's policy regarding such an issue is M.A.D. Mutually Assured Destruction. Nuke us, and we will liquidate any nation even affiliated with the aggressor. Total wipe out. This cold war era concept remains to this day.


Let us hope that the situation in the ground stabilizes. For the best interest of the region.

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2008, 01:15:10 PM »
Does America has to interfere all these? naa pa gani Iraq nga wa pa mahuman, sugdan na sad ug lain. Time will come nga manginahanglan na sad ta ug laing army. Then that will be the time nga makadungog na ko ug Sgt. Lorenzo Lucino. All American men has no escape...they have to serve the country.


Mao nay giingon nga nahisulat na ang saad!

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 01:39:21 PM »
'te, Georgia has been a strategic area for the United States in its containment policy during the 1990s and even to the present. It was only last month, 'te, that the United States Armed Forces and Georgian Armed Forces had a military exercise (US marines, army, air force) as part of the War against Terrorism. The reason for this is that many Chechen rebels are hiding in southern Russia and have been making attacks into Georgia and threatens American interests in the region.

Georgia is also home to the region's high oil and natural gas fields; which, by right of being a natural energy resource, is imperative to the security of international energy flow. America is in the region to prevent further Russian over dominance in the region to threaten international supplies; to the benefit of Russia at the cost of the West and the entire world.

Needless to say that the Caucasus is a strategic roadway in that it unites East with West. American military policy has shifted greatly during the 21st century; in an effort to shift American military presence from its concentration in Western Europe to Eastern Europe and Eurasian region. It is strategic for American's 21st centurian military policies as well as to aid in the War against Terrorism.

Georgia, is an independent nation. And one that has looked to the west after the fall of the USSR (it was a conquered territory of the USSR). And Georgia has looked to the United States, solely for support (economic, military). The United States has agreed and is a strategic ally of Georgia. By right of military alliance, America must defend its ally.


Russian invasion is a last ditch effort to try to undermine the growing American-Georgian friendship and alliance. Russia does not want to loose Georgia, which it has bullied for decades, to America.

This issue goes deep, 'te. One that is, I'm sure, complex for the entire American Armed Forces. This issue must be dealt accordingly and properly. So that Georgia's territorial sovereignty is secured and American Interests are safeguarded from all external threats. 

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 02:09:04 PM »
UPDATE

Russians push past separatist area to assault central Georgia.

TBILISI, Georgia — Russia expanded its attacks on Georgia on Sunday, moving tanks and troops through the separatist enclave of South Ossetia and advancing toward the city of Gori in central Georgia, in its first direct assault on a Georgian city with ground forces during three days of heavy fighting, Georgian officials said.

The maneuver — along with bombing of the Georgian capital, Tbilisi — seemed to suggest that Russia's aims in the conflict had gone beyond securing the pro-Russian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to weakening the armed forces of Georgia, a former Soviet republic and an ally of the United States whose Western leanings have long irritated the Kremlin.

Russia's moves, which came after Georgia offered a cease-fire and said it had pulled its troops out of South Ossetia, caused widespread international alarm and anger and set the stage for an intense diplomatic confrontation with the United States.

Two senior Western officials said that it was unclear whether Russia intended a full invasion of Georgia, but that its aims could go as far as destroying its armed forces or overthrowing Georgia's pro-Western president, Mikheil Saakashvili.

"They seem to have gone beyond the logical stopping point," one senior Western diplomat said, speaking anonymously under normal diplomatic protocol.

The escalation of fighting raised tensions between Russia and its former cold war foes to their highest level in decades. President George W. Bush has promoted Georgia as a bastion of democracy, helped strengthen its military and urged that NATO admit the country to membership. Georgia serves as a major conduit for oil flowing from Russia and Central Asia to the West.

But Russia, emboldened by windfall profits from oil exports, is showing a resolve to reassert its dominance in a region it has always considered its "near abroad."

The military action, which has involved air, naval and missile attacks, is the largest engagement by Russian forces outside its borders since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Russia also escalated its assault Sunday on despite strong diplomatic warnings from Bush and European leaders, underscoring the limits of Western influence over Russia at a time when the rest of Europe depends heavily on Russia for natural gas and the United States needs Moscow's cooperation if it hopes to curtail what it sees as a nuclear weapons threat from Iran.

President George W. Bush, in Beijing for the Olympics, strongly criticized the Russian attacks, especially outside South Ossetia, and urged an immediate ceasefire.

In an interview on NBC on Monday morning, he said he had been "very firm" with both Russia's prime minister, Vladimir Putin, and its president, Dmitri Medvedev.

Earlier, Vice President Dick Cheney intensified the administration's warnings to Russia. In a telephone conversation with the Georgian president, he said "that Russian aggression must not go unanswered, and that its continuation would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States, as well as the broader international community," a spokeswoman, Lea Anne McBride, said in a statement released by the White House.

Russian officials say Georgia provoked the assault by attacking South Ossetia last week, causing heavy civilian casualties. But Western diplomats and military officials said they worried that Russia's decision to extend the fighting and open a second front in Abkhazia indicated that it had sought to use a relatively low-level conflict in a conflict-prone part of the Caucasus region to extend its influence over a much broader area.

There was heavy fighting on Sunday on two fronts. Russian artillery shells slammed the city of Gori, a major military installation and transportation hub in Georgia. In the separatist region of Abkhazia, Russian paratroopers and their Abkhaz allies battled Georgian special forces and tried to cross the boundary into undisputed Georgian territory, Georgian officials said.

Russia dropped a bomb on Tbilisi's international airport shortly before Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner of France, who was sent by the European Union to try to mediate, was due to land, Georgian officials said. It twice bombed an aviation factory on the outskirts of the capital. Russia's Black Sea Fleet patrolled the coast of Abkhazia, and its Defense Ministry said Russian warships had sunk a Georgian gunboat that fired on them.

The Kremlin declined to say whether its troops had entered Georgia proper but said all its actions were intended to strike at Georgian military forces that had fired on its peacekeeping troops in South Ossetia.

A senior Russian military official, Anatoly Nogovitsyn, said early Sunday that Russia did not intend to "break into" Georgian territory.

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2008, 09:28:35 PM »
@ Lors. agree. nakamonitor tanan missile..suma bitaw tong 9/11 nga idea..

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 02:00:47 AM »
Recent Update:

Russia opens 2nd front in Georgia, seizing towns

Russian armored vehicles rolled deep into western Georgia on Monday, quickly seizing several towns and a military base and slicing open a damaging second front in Russia's battle with Georgia. Other Russian forces captured the key central city of Gori.

Fighting also raged Monday around Tskhinvali, the capital of the separatist province of South Ossetia. Swarms of Russian planes launched new raids across Georgia, sending screaming civilians running for cover.

The invasions of Gori and the towns of Senaki, Zugdidi and Kurga came despite a top Russian general's claim earlier Monday that Russia had no plans to enter Georgian territory. By taking Gori, which sits on Georgia's only east-west highway, Russia has the potential to effectively cut the country in half.

Security Council head Alexander Lomaia said Monday that it was not immediately clear if Russian forces would try to advance on Tbilisi.

The two-front battlefield was a major escalation in the conflict that blew up late Thursday after a Georgian offensive to regain control of South Ossetia. Even as Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili signed a cease-fire pledge with EU mediators on Monday, Russia appeared determined to subdue the small U.S. ally that has been pressing for NATO membership.

On Monday afternoon, Russian troops invaded Georgia from the western separatist province of Abkhazia while most Georgian forces were in the central region around South Ossetia.

Russian armored personnel carriers moved into Senaki, a town 20 miles inland from Georgia's Black Sea port of Poti, Lomaia said.

Russian forces also moved into the Georgian town of Zugdidi and seized police stations, while their Abkhazian separatist allies took control of the nearby village of Kurga, Georgia's Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said.

Georgia borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia and was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. Both South Ossetia and Abkhazia have run their own affairs without international recognition since fighting to split from Georgia in the early 1990s — and both have close ties with Moscow.

Georgia began an offensive to regain control over South Ossetia late Thursday with heavy shelling and air strikes that ravaged its provincial capital of Tskhinvali. The Russia response was swift and overpowering — thousands of troops that shelled the Georgians until they fled Tskhinvali on Sunday, and four days of bombing raids across Georgia.

An AP reporter saw a small group of Georgian fighters open fire on a column of Russian and Ossetian military vehicles outside Tskhinvali, triggering a 30-minute battle. The Russians later said all the Georgians were killed.

Another AP reporter in the village of Tkviavi, 7 1/2 miles south of Tskhinvali inside Georgia, where a Russian Sukhoi bomber hit a house. The walls of neighboring buildings fell as screaming residents ran for cover. Eighteen people were wounded, six of them seriously.

Georgian artillery fire was heard coming from fields about 200 yards away from the village, perhaps the bomber's target.

Hundreds of Georgian troops headed north along the road toward Tskhinvali, pocked with tank regiments creeping up the highway into South Ossetia. Hundreds of soldiers traveled in trucks in the opposite direction, towing light artillery weapons.

In the city of Gori, where artillery fire could be heard, Georgian soldiers warned local residents that Russian tanks were approaching and advised them to leave. Hundreds of terrified residents fled toward Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, using any means of transport they could find. Many stood along the roadside trying to flag down passing cars.

President Bush and other Western leaders have sharply criticized Russia's military response as disproportionate and say Russia appears to want the Georgian government overthrown. They have also complained that Russian warplanes — buzzing over Georgia since Friday — have bombed Georgian oil sites and factories far from the conflict zone.

The world's seven largest economic powers urged Russia to accept an immediate cease-fire Monday and agree to international mediation. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her colleagues from the Group of Seven leading industrialized nations spoke by telephone and pledged their support for a negotiated solution to the conflict.

"I've expressed my grave concern about the disproportionate response of Russia and that we strongly condemn the bombing outside of South Ossetia," Bush told NBC Sports.

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin criticized the United States for viewing Georgia as the victim, instead of the aggressor, and for airlifting Georgian troops back home from Iraq on Sunday.

"Of course, Saddam Hussein ought to have been hanged for destroying several Shiite villages," Putin said in Moscow. "And the incumbent Georgian leaders who razed 10 Ossetian villages at once, who ran elderly people and children with tanks, who burned civilian alive in their sheds — these leaders must be taken under protection."

The U.S. military was flying Georgian troops back from Iraq on C-17 aircraft and had informed the Russians about the flights before they began in order to avoid mishaps, said one military official said Monday on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the subject on the record.

Defense Department spokesman Bryan Whitman said Monday morning that U.S. officials expect to have all Georgian troops out of Iraq by the end of the day.

The Georgian president, Saakashvili, signed a cease-fire pledge Monday proposed by French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner and his Finnish counterpart, Alexander Stubb. The EU envoys were heading to Moscow to try to persuade Russia to accept the cease-fire.

Saakashvili, however, voiced concern that Russia's true goal was to undermine his pro-Western government, which has sharply angered Moscow by wanting to join NATO. "It's all about the independence and democracy of Georgia," he said during a conference call.

Saakashvili said Russia has sent 20,000 troops and 500 tanks into Georgia.

The Georgian president said Russian warplanes were bombing roads and bridges, destroying radar systems and targeting Tbilisi's civilian airport. One Russian bombing raid struck the Tbilisi airport area just a half-hour before the EU envoys arrived, he said.

Another hit near key Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, which carries Caspian crude to the West. No supply interruptions have been reported.

Abkhazia's separatists called out the army and reservists on Sunday and declared it would push Georgian forces out of the northern part of the Kodori Gorge, the only area of Abkhazia still under Georgian control.

Before invading on Monday, Russia's deputy chief of General Staff Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn said Georgia must disarm its police in Zugdidi, a town just outside Abkhazia, but insisted "We are not planning any offensive." At least 9,000 Russian troops and 350 armored vehicles were in Abkhazia.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

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Re: So Russia attacked Georgia..
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 02:15:29 AM »
US warns Russia


President Bush condemned the escalated violence between Russia and U.S.-backed Georgia on Sunday, while Vice President Dick Cheney said aggression against Georgia "must not go unanswered."

"My administration has been engaged with both sides of this trying to get a ceasefire," Bush told NBC's Bob Costas in an interview in Beijing, China, where the president has attended Olympic events.

Bush was filmed speaking to Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin during Friday's opening ceremonies and said Sunday that he "was firm with Vladimir Putin" and that "this violence is unacceptable."

Violence has continued to rage between Russia and the western ally since Thursday, when Georgia launched an operation to crack down on separatists in South Ossetia territory. Russia said it wanted to protect its peacekeepers already in South Ossetia following ceasefires in years past. But Georgia called it a full-on invasion.

And while Russia has accused Georgia of a genocidal plot to cleanse the region of ethnic Ossetians loyal to Russia, Georgia accuses Russia of executing a long-planned war with the aim of taking control of the region -- including a key pipeline that carries Asian oil to Black Sea ports.

"I expressed my grave concern about the disproportionate response of Russia," Bush said of his talk with Putin. "We strongly condemn bombing outside of South Ossetia."

Putin says he's concerned about the flood of refugees arriving in Russia from South Ossetia. Russian officials said more than 30,000 refugees have left South Ossetia and crossed into Russia over the past two days, Interfax reported.

"The actions of the Georgian authorities in South Ossetia are a crime, of course, primarily a crime against their own people," Putin said, according to Russian news agency Interfax.

Meanwhile, Cheney talked to Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili on Sunday, telling him that Russia's aggression against Georgia "must not go unanswered."

Cheney's spokeswoman Lea Ann McBride said the vice president spoke to Saakashvili to express "the United States' solidarity with the Georgian people and their democratically elected government in the face of this threat to Georgia's sovereignty and territorial integrity."

Georgia withdrew its forces Sunday and offered a ceasefire, which Russia refused.

"The vice president told President Saakashvili that Russian aggression must not go unanswered, and that its continuation would have serious consequences for its relations with the United States, as well as the broader international community," McBride said.

Saakashvili has called on the United States and the world community to stop the "intervention and invasion of my sovereign country."

CNN report.

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2008, 02:21:02 AM »
Calls for US Intervention


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biZlqZVrB58&NR=1


Russia claims to be defending itself. Yet it has poured out over 1,200 armoured tanks and thousands of support vehicles into Georgia proper.

This is not an act of defense; it is an act of war. Georgia has lost 2 of its provinces already; and has lost its major norther city of Gori to Russia.

Russia's main geopolitical goal is to stop Georgia from joining the NATO fold.

Georgia, as well as with Ukraine are the next two countries up for the list to being part of the NATO alliance.



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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2008, 02:45:36 AM »
Concerning a phrase: "The fact is, that Russia Invaded Georgia" and Video with Saakashvilli is an impudent cynicism and lie. The president of Georgia - the impudent liar and the nationalist who wished to untie the conflict and to hide behind States. The blessing States have refused to help people, having limited to diplomacy.
Yes. In answer Lorenzo I will tell, that if the nuclear conflict nevertheless will occur, on our planet simply remains nobody. There will be a global cataclysm and all of us will die) So let's live amicably. Besides at Russia which that too is in a pocket, there is the climatic weapon, capable to cause seismic pushes and other cataclysms in any point of a planet. The another matter what to operate this hogwash they plainly have not learnt yet, and at America such pieces too are)) And nuclear war. It not that absolutely that it would be desirable. It will not pass completely. + Russia more than has enough nuclear rockets, + hydrogen bombs. But we will not be about the weapon. It is all in empty.
Let's continue drink further beer yes to communicate. After all there are such class inventions of mankind as Countre Strike 1.6, WOW, La2, others.
To me as to the representative of the Russian-speaking population it is terribly insulting for distortion of the real information on that, that is favourable to a small group of proimperious donkeys.. It's Fact
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2008, 02:49:57 AM »
Yes. And as though your country has reacted to 2,5 thousand stealthily killed peace citizens??!! I am not assured, that she would leave all as is, namely a stone on a stone would not remain. So why blame for aggression Russia if Georgia the first has struck blow, what even in the western mass-media it is widely described. And now impudently demands the world!! SO nobody did also Russia by a cancer is not bent))! It's Fact too..

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2008, 02:57:08 AM »
<<Georgia, as well as with Ukraine are the next two countries up for the list to being part of the NATO alliance.

Georgia - Kaput!)) Because Bush don't fight with Russia, and Economic relations
Yes. + oil of Georgia and is not necessary to Russia for nothing. At it the is. And here America rather holds a pocket more widely, it, you see, is indisputable.
Ukraine never becomes a member of NATO. Because it is fast re-elections of our little fool-president. The Henchman of the West, the toady of America.
And even if will try to become, east part of the country will simply be a part of Russia. And nobody can prevent us in it.)

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2008, 04:29:17 AM »
What a crazy World?  WAR remains as it is... a dirty business where the powerful countries interference purposes is grounded only for their own profits.  Who are the great loser?.... As usual, the poor/innocent civilians.  Why we could not live in peace?

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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2008, 11:42:55 AM »
<<Georgia, as well as with Ukraine are the next two countries up for the list to being part of the NATO alliance.

Georgia - Kaput!)) Because Bush don't fight with Russia, and Economic relations
Yes. + oil of Georgia and is not necessary to Russia for nothing. At it the is. And here America rather holds a pocket more widely, it, you see, is indisputable.
Ukraine never becomes a member of NATO. Because it is fast re-elections of our little fool-president. The Henchman of the West, the toady of America.
And even if will try to become, east part of the country will simply be a part of Russia. And nobody can prevent us in it.)

HumanfromUkraine,

Perhaps your understanding in your own regional and domestic politics is misguided. My friend, I was in your country and studied in Kiev Mohyla Academy of Law in Kiev.

Perhaps you heard of that law school? It's a quite prestigious school in your country isn't it? I was there as part of a Inter-change studies program. I took summer courses with fellow Ukrainian law students and one thing is clear that there is a disunity within Ukraine. The western region of the country, namely Lviv region wishes to be part of the Western European Fold while the eastern region wishes to remain close to Russia. Your views do not represent the entirety of Ukrainian youth and acadamians.

I have befriended many Ukrainian Law students in Kiev Mohyla Academy and it is observable that there is a huge Anti-Russian sentiment particularly within the new generation. Eastern and Western Ukrainians.

Your country is a beautiful one. One that has been ravaged by Russian idiocy and unaccountability. Have you already forgotten Chernobyl?

My friend, I went with a delegation to visit Chernobyl in 2006 part of our inter-change course and saw the liquidation of the entire Kievan oblast region. Amazes me that the Russians tried to hide and cover up the Chernobyl nuclear melt down until the west (namely Finland and Sweden) recognized a high copper, zinc, and radiation trace in the atmosphere coming from Soviet-occupied Ukraine in 1986.

It wasn't until the West found out and pressured the USSR to show accountability and reveal the entire scenario that the Russians finally complied. :)

This is the very same Russia we are dealing with. It is Russia that has instigated this war. Georgia had all rights to secure its territory in South Ossetia and even in Azh region.

It is Russia that is responsible of pro-imperialistic ambitions.

I assure you, my friend, that my country, The United States of America, will not just stand idly by and let its ally be harassed. If you haven't already noticed, the EU member states have already sent envoys to Georgia and have called for a cease fire and ordered a total Russian evacuation of Georgian territory in order for a cease fire to even take place.

The West has heard the cries of Georgia.

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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2008, 11:50:20 AM »
Concerning a phrase: "The fact is, that Russia Invaded Georgia" and Video with Saakashvilli is an impudent cynicism and lie. The president of Georgia - the impudent liar and the nationalist who wished to untie the conflict and to hide behind States. The blessing States have refused to help people, having limited to diplomacy.
Yes. In answer Lorenzo I will tell, that if the nuclear conflict nevertheless will occur, on our planet simply remains nobody. There will be a global cataclysm and all of us will die) So let's live amicably. Besides at Russia which that too is in a pocket, there is the climatic weapon, capable to cause seismic pushes and other cataclysms in any point of a planet. The another matter what to operate this hogwash they plainly have not learnt yet, and at America such pieces too are)) And nuclear war. It not that absolutely that it would be desirable. It will not pass completely. + Russia more than has enough nuclear rockets, + hydrogen bombs. But we will not be about the weapon. It is all in empty.
Let's continue drink further beer yes to communicate. After all there are such class inventions of mankind as Countre Strike 1.6, WOW, La2, others.
To me as to the representative of the Russian-speaking population it is terribly insulting for distortion of the real information on that, that is favourable to a small group of proimperious donkeys.. It's Fact
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My ill-informed comrade,

There is no comparison and there is no threat to American military hegemony. The United States Navy has 18 super air craft carriers that carry an arsenal of thermonuclear warheads in its hangar bay. The Russian Baltic Fleet and North Sea Fleet would be liquidated within weeks. What is left of your country's navy is rotting and rusting in its port docks.

To think that Russia would even dare pose a threat to our military? The United States has never lost a war, and we were the ones that overwhelmingly incinerated Imperial Japan in World War II, as well as it was America's naval power and air power that pulverized Nazi Germany into total submission. It was America that occupied and conquered Fascist Italy.

During Operation Barbarosa, when Russia was in the brink of fall, who was the one that supplied Russia with war materiel and supplies? The United States of America. :)

It was America's opening of a 2nd front with Germany that saved Russia from total destruction. At the expense of thousands of thousands of American lives.

Russia is outclassed. And is in no way even close to the military might of the United States.

We are the ONLY Hyper Power in the world. And America has the ability to incinerate and totally glass every single inch of Russian soil. Have you ever seen the effects of thermonuclear fall out?

Cheers my good friend.

Splecebo. Dobre Djeen. :)

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2008, 12:19:30 PM »
Additionally,

I think it is rather infantile and narcisstic of you to even joke around about drinking beer, listening to music etc while there are thousands upon thousands of Georgians being attacked and killed. Thousands of civilians are being bombed by Russian bombers and fighter planes. Russian tanks continue to shell regions in Georgia that are already outside the sphere of South Ossetia and Azkh region.

For you to even talk as if this situation is nothing but games and fun is not only disgusting but morose.

The deaths of people and the invasion of nations, the abuse of territorial sovereignty and the total dereliction of Human Rights and National Rights as dictated by the Hague convention and by the UN code of conduct is a serious matter.

We talk about the security of the Free World and you have the audacity and vulgarity to even talk about music uniting the world?

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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 05:22:49 AM »
The West has heard the cries of Georgia.
It was last cries of them.. Georgia is fallen to ass and most of Georgias army were died!

Tries to cause pity of world community. But really it is not clear, that if Russia wished to attack Georgia at once would strike across Tbilisi would destroy by bombing all from near to distant borders. And really to the world countries not clearly, that Georgia has been directed by a hand of America. To check up fighting capacity of the Russian army.
Our nationalist-silly person Yushchenko, the westernized ugly creature. Really not to understand, that it is necessary to live in the world. We are Slavs. We - one people. And no borders are capable to win our Spirit.
Russia during the first hours after an attack addressed to the world communities, to a management of the United Nations which has ignored this statement, to the Pentagon. And only after the decision alone to settle the conflict was accepted and to enter tanks into a conflict zone on the first strips of newspapers of the world there was an inscription "Russia Attacked Georgia". These are such known systems as CNN, BBC. And so on.
The other countries simply keep silent. Others condemn. Poland and France already a saliva, splash. Will choke, day will come.
Young Russia needs to draw only a conclusion that it is necessary to strengthen and increase power of the army, pilotless planes. The Space weapon. And to search for allies. To Take the same Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Cuba. SO yet all is lost. Here take and will place the warheads somewhere there. With a view of ostensibly for "Struggle against terrorism". As do States. And we will show Kuzkinu mother!! Such affairs
For reception of fuller information read not only editions and magazines that in states do, but also Russian read now and then. So the situation will be more objective. I so do for a long time. To find true easier. And to analyse all.
Kapitalism is sucks. West of Ukraine is good boys, but every family has its black sheep, and politickal is Dirty business.. And Bloodness..

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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2008, 05:45:56 AM »
My ill-informed comrade,

There is no comparison and there is no threat to American military hegemony. The United States Navy has 18 super air craft carriers that carry an arsenal of thermonuclear warheads in its hangar bay. The Russian Baltic Fleet and North Sea Fleet would be liquidated within weeks. What is left of your country's navy is rotting and rusting in its port docks.

To think that Russia would even dare pose a threat to our military? The United States has never lost a war, and we were the ones that overwhelmingly incinerated Imperial Japan in World War II, as well as it was America's naval power and air power that pulverized Nazi Germany into total submission. It was America that occupied and conquered Fascist Italy.

During Operation Barbarosa, when Russia was in the brink of fall, who was the one that supplied Russia with war materiel and supplies? The United States of America. Smiley

It was America's opening of a 2nd front with Germany that saved Russia from total destruction. At the expense of thousands of thousands of American lives.

Russia is outclassed. And is in no way even close to the military might of the United States.

We are the ONLY Hyper Power in the world. And America has the ability to incinerate and totally glass every single inch of Russian soil. Have you ever seen the effects of thermonuclear fall out?

Cheers my good friend.
Splecebo. Dobre Djeen
Haha!!  America has won the Second World War!! Do not make laugh)). It can Americans have won Napoleon?
Or they have won war with Swedes.?

Yes who would speak. The Soviet union ????? millions lives has carried Germany in down and ashes, has released the most part of Europe, and northern fleet of Americans has been broken by Japanese in down ashes. Japanese were ready to battle to the last. And you have dumped nuclear warheads on ???????? and Nagasaki without sense. Because she and so capitulated.
The Soviet union has made all for a victory over Germany while America simply stood aside. And only towards the end of war when there was a crisis, and fascists have started to recede, Americans were connected to business. Look insurgents Less. And think more. Our education system was always better than yours. In our country the most beautiful girls. The BEst of mathematicians and highly developed patriotism. That that the union has broken up a historical error.
You speak Russian are guilty in Chernobyl? In all Gorbachev who entirely was on sale to the West is guilty, has begun reorganisation and has entirely disorganised the Soviet union.
He/she is our first selling president Kravchuk has disarmed ours ??????? and has melted submarines and ?????????? nuclear power of our country.
All aggression that is in the world goes from States. I am correctly informed, my friend. I read both Russian editions, and western. In pure English language.
Because in knowledge force.
The American power is impudently screened. Not such it and powerful, your country. At you the president - the fool. And army of mercenaries which all the same, on whose side to be at war.
And concerning the second world do not compose fables. Because your people have made the minimum contribution to a victory over fascism. ?????????? the Union and itself would win this war. Simply America was afraid and is afraid of increase in influence of Russia in the world. Also recognise, it is the fact.
And the most stupid people in the world - Americans. Because the majority of you at all does not know, where is caucasus and where there is Georgia directly. The Majority of you is able nothing, except how to pull out languages on rotten sites like it. America - the country of hamburgers and Hollywood. All angrily, that is in the world is in America. Any ?????????? against them was not. And on September, 11th - it is planned by the Pentagon, differently how to explain that fact that in buildings there was a minimum of quantity of people.
And in general. You have gone to an ass. And your Ukrainian words in general are incorrectly written. I know three languages. Russian, the Ukrainian language and English. The god, I still to shoot also will give a bum to your brother!!

The deaths of people and the invasion of nations, the abuse of territorial sovereignty and the total dereliction of Human Rights and National Rights as dictated by the Hague convention and by the UN code of conduct is a serious matter.

They was killed two sousends russians peolpe at South Ossetia..
Mercy will not be. Russia will force them in the world. And they will be responsible for all.
Once again I wish to ask you. The United States if in a peace time have killed 2 thousand their citizens have as though arrived, having begun bombardment at night, on the eve of the Olympic Games. When the majority of inhabitants peacefully slept?
Yes. Your Ukrainian language - the nastiest that I read. On hearing probably is even worse.
What foreign at you teach at schools? Spanish??. 
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2008, 06:57:18 AM »
Reuters is Lies, or as photos became... Going to link!)

http://noviny.narod.ru/smi-00000083.html

Translate site into English...

http://censor.net.ua/go/offer/ResourceID/92048.html And here that corpse. Video by the way on mine and at you on a site is... Looking this

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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2008, 11:42:27 AM »
It was last cries of them.. Georgia is fallen to ass and most of Georgias army were died!

Tries to cause pity of world community. But really it is not clear, that if Russia wished to attack Georgia at once would strike across Tbilisi would destroy by bombing all from near to distant borders. And really to the world countries not clearly, that Georgia has been directed by a hand of America. To check up fighting capacity of the Russian army.
Our nationalist-silly person Yushchenko, the westernized ugly creature. Really not to understand, that it is necessary to live in the world. We are Slavs. We - one people. And no borders are capable to win our Spirit.
Russia during the first hours after an attack addressed to the world communities, to a management of the United Nations which has ignored this statement, to the Pentagon. And only after the decision alone to settle the conflict was accepted and to enter tanks into a conflict zone on the first strips of newspapers of the world there was an inscription "Russia Attacked Georgia". These are such known systems as CNN, BBC. And so on.
The other countries simply keep silent. Others condemn. Poland and France already a saliva, splash. Will choke, day will come.
Young Russia needs to draw only a conclusion that it is necessary to strengthen and increase power of the army, pilotless planes. The Space weapon. And to search for allies. To Take the same Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Cuba. SO yet all is lost. Here take and will place the warheads somewhere there. With a view of ostensibly for "Struggle against terrorism". As do States. And we will show Kuzkinu mother!! Such affairs
For reception of fuller information read not only editions and magazines that in states do, but also Russian read now and then. So the situation will be more objective. I so do for a long time. To find true easier. And to analyse all.
Kapitalism is sucks. West of Ukraine is good boys, but every family has its black sheep, and politickal is Dirty business.. And Bloodness..

Zdrastewidya Human Ukrainiya,

Ah how can you easily just point a negative finger to Yushchenko, one cannot deny the fact that he was the one that led the Orange Revolution that placed Ukraine on the Western Agenda and closer into the European fold. :)

Da, you are right that there are variances and differences in points of view, mass media will always be that way, comrade, either it be Western Media, Russian, Chinese, etc. You get the point. That is why it is essential that we research topics with varying sources. Unfortunately for you tho, most of foreign media has pointed the fault on Russia for its gross ineptitude on national integrity, territorial integrity and human rights on basis of Georgian statehood. It is rather sardonic to even discuss this as if Russia was even threatened by the state of Georgia.

My friend, you and I well know that the Russian Federation is in no way even threatened by the state of Georgia. Russia is massive, and one that is composed of multiple federated republics within the Union. Stretching from the West to the Eastern Siberian and Upper Mongolic regions. We all know this. Russia's military dwarfs the militaries of her neighbors and for Russia to even amass such a massive ground force, air force and naval units close to Georgia without the pretense of an offensive operation or even capitulation-based action is moronic. The point is, my friend, that Russia went inside Georgia and supported the separatist fighters, which by that act, is an act of terrorism. How can your country work covertly with insurgent fighters and maintain a calm face? Vulgarity!

Russia is guilty of the deaths of thousands of Georgian military personnel as well as tens upon tens of thousands of civilians. Clear cut murder.

For you to sit and tell me, and the rest of us otherwise is not only a direct lie. Russia is at fault and will, ultimately, face sanctions by the United Nations as well as decreased economic activity with the EU. Most of all, what will suffer is the relationship between the United States and Russia.





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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2008, 11:51:03 AM »
Haha!!  America has won the Second World War!! Do not make laugh)). It can Americans have won Napoleon?
Or they have won war with Swedes.?

Yes who would speak. The Soviet union ????? millions lives has carried Germany in down and ashes, has released the most part of Europe, and northern fleet of Americans has been broken by Japanese in down ashes. Japanese were ready to battle to the last. And you have dumped nuclear warheads on ???????? and Nagasaki without sense. Because she and so capitulated.
The Soviet union has made all for a victory over Germany while America simply stood aside. And only towards the end of war when there was a crisis, and fascists have started to recede, Americans were connected to business. Look insurgents Less. And think more. Our education system was always better than yours. In our country the most beautiful girls. The BEst of mathematicians and highly developed patriotism. That that the union has broken up a historical error.
You speak Russian are guilty in Chernobyl? In all Gorbachev who entirely was on sale to the West is guilty, has begun reorganisation and has entirely disorganised the Soviet union.
He/she is our first selling president Kravchuk has disarmed ours ??????? and has melted submarines and ?????????? nuclear power of our country.
All aggression that is in the world goes from States. I am correctly informed, my friend. I read both Russian editions, and western. In pure English language.
Because in knowledge force.
The American power is impudently screened. Not such it and powerful, your country. At you the president - the fool. And army of mercenaries which all the same, on whose side to be at war.
And concerning the second world do not compose fables. Because your people have made the minimum contribution to a victory over fascism. ?????????? the Union and itself would win this war. Simply America was afraid and is afraid of increase in influence of Russia in the world. Also recognise, it is the fact.
And the most stupid people in the world - Americans. Because the majority of you at all does not know, where is caucasus and where there is Georgia directly. The Majority of you is able nothing, except how to pull out languages on rotten sites like it. America - the country of hamburgers and Hollywood. All angrily, that is in the world is in America. Any ?????????? against them was not. And on September, 11th - it is planned by the Pentagon, differently how to explain that fact that in buildings there was a minimum of quantity of people.
And in general. You have gone to an ass. And your Ukrainian words in general are incorrectly written. I know three languages. Russian, the Ukrainian language and English. The god, I still to shoot also will give a bum to your brother!!

The deaths of people and the invasion of nations, the abuse of territorial sovereignty and the total dereliction of Human Rights and National Rights as dictated by the Hague convention and by the UN code of conduct is a serious matter.

They was killed two sousends russians peolpe at South Ossetia..
Mercy will not be. Russia will force them in the world. And they will be responsible for all.
Once again I wish to ask you. The United States if in a peace time have killed 2 thousand their citizens have as though arrived, having begun bombardment at night, on the eve of the Olympic Games. When the majority of inhabitants peacefully slept?
Yes. Your Ukrainian language - the nastiest that I read. On hearing probably is even worse.
What foreign at you teach at schools? Spanish??. 
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Absolute hoggwash. You talk of unrealistic and fictitious dreams. Latin American states harboring Russian patriotism and nuclear camaraderie? lol. The truth, my friend, is that Latin America (Central America and South America) are protected under American patronage as declared by the Monroe Doctrine. One can say that it is a form of America's 'Big Stick' Policy. :)

And it has been enacted for almost 2 centuries. There is nothing in Latin America that escapes American proctoring and intervention. It is American Policy to intervene in the region if any foreign power (European or otherwise) that will threaten the stability of Latin America--and thus to the detriment of American Interests in the region.

This is the reason why American warships and air force intervened in the Cuban-Missile Crisis in the 1960s to prevent Russian plans of making Cuba into an atomic power. It was Russian President Nikita Krushev that abated and acquiesced to American dictates and orders. :)

Latin America will remain part of the United States' Sphere of Control. Policy and Military Protocol dictates it.

Haha!!  America has won the Second World War!! Do not make laugh)). It can Americans have won Napoleon?
Or they have won war with Swedes.?

LoL.

Of course America didn't go to war with Napoleon, we were still an infant republic during that time epoch. I, however, can assure you that it wasn't Russia that defeated Napoleon, either. Rather it was the might of the British Navy and the combined forces of Prussia, Sweden, Flanders, and The British Empire that crushed Napoleon in Waterloo in 1815.

;)
Russia, at this time, was still licking its wounds (figuratively speaking) after Napoleon's Grande Armie of 500,000+ men ravaged and totally decimated Russian agriculture, cities and nearly wiped out the entire Czaric Army.

The only thing that stopped Napoleon's forces in its offensive into Russia was not Russia, but God himself. It was the winter that stopped their offensive. They literally froze in the Russian Winter. Same scenario with Germany in its Operation Barbarosa in 1940-1941. :)

You should know your history. You live there. lol



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« Reply #29 on: August 23, 2008, 12:57:30 PM »
i think U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice also plays a big role in neutralizing the conflct in Georgia, Bush was watching the summer games in China while Rice gets her job done over the South Ossetia issue, Russian are so great when it comes to armaments, they belongs to the top super power club in the world next to U.S.

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« Reply #30 on: August 23, 2008, 01:50:24 PM »
I cannot take the Russians seriously or even fear them. They bully a nation as puny as Georgia that doesn't even have a military force worthy of being feared.

The Russian's activities in Georgia is nothing new; typical of the Russians to bully smaller neighbors that do not have the capability of defending itself.

Russia, found itself in a quagmire this time, however. They thought that the West wouldn't care. Worst, they thought that the United States wouldn't intervene.

The United States and the entire EU and the NATO fold responded aggressively even so much as to cancel total communication with Russia. Immediately, Russia agreed to start talks of ceasefire and eventual military withdrawal.

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The situation in Georgia is more complex than what media portrays it. The only reason why the Russians had the audacity to invade Georgia is because Russia fears loosing its hegemonity in the region to the United States.

The United States and Georgia have already agreed to a missile defense shield to be installed. This installation, will effectively place an umbrella over Georgia. Both Poland and Georgia have agreed to American requests for installment of the missile shield system.

Now that Russia invaded, this will only fuel greater American-Georgian cooperation and strengthened military friendship.

Also one needs to understand why the Russians ceased their aerial bombardment of Georgia after 4 days of combat.

REASON

The United States agreed to send humanitarian aid to Georgia and with this, included an American naval task group, including 3 Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyers, which changed the situation dramatically. These Arleigh Burke class Destroyers have complete missile range of the whole territory of Georgia and the Russians don't have anything that can stop them. The Russians canceled all aerial bombardment because the American Navy has a policy called 'Total Defense' meaning that any foreign, Un-allied fighter plane that is within a 100 mile radius of the Destroyers will be shot down. The Destroyers that were sent to the Georgian Coast covers most of the territory of Georgia and thus forced the Russians to cancel all flying sorties.

Russia Fears American Naval Power.

No USN ship commander will allow possible enemy planes to get close to his ship, that is why those destroyers were sent there. They will be just there patrolling the coast and shooting down every "OSETIAN PLANE" in their range smile. And Russian missile cruisers will be forced to leave Georgian waters. Now that Ukraine is denying Russian docking ships from their port in Odessa; Russia is already hindered in its military options.

The Russians have ceased military activity because the United States' Mediterranean Fleet is active and if the United States sends an Air Craft Carrier into the region; it will include a support ships of at least 5-6 destroyers, 1-2 cruisers, squadrons of submarines and support transport ships.

The United States will then 'neutralize' any 'South Ossentian forces' A.K.A Russian troops and convoys.

The Russians talk big talk. And exercise their military muscle; but whenever the USA gets involved, the Russians silence themselves remarkably. LoL

:)

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