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10,000 BC
« on: March 05, 2008, 11:55:22 PM »
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You might have heard of a movie called “10,000 BC” coming out in March of 2008. If you saw the trailers you might have noticed some things that were  inaccurate, or at least grossly exaggerated, if you have some basic knowledge of prehistory. Were saber-tooth tigers (smilodons) really that big? Did they really have sailboats, domesticated mammoths and cities back in 10,000 BC?

It’s been a while since a real movie has been made based on prehistoric times, but it appears that this movie shamelessly embellishes to be more entertaining to the average Joe. I guess why should I expect anything else from Hollywood by now? Don’t see this movie expecting it to be a scientific documentary. Think of it more as a fantasy film, merely similar to earth-like events, more like The 300, or even The Mummy or Lord of the Rings. Maybe it’s the science nerd in me, but I just can’t stand any movie that implies it is based on historical (or in the case, prehistorical) life or events, but then ignores the likely realities of the time. Maybe that’s why I like documentaries.

Let’s look at some of the items from the trailers:

Saber-Tooth Tiger Size: Smilodon populator, the largest of the saber tooth cats, which went extinct around 10,000 B.C., was no little kitty, but was the size of a large lion. It is known to have been 120 cm, or about 4 feet at the shouder. The scene I am looking at on the 10,000 B.C. movie website shows a smilodon that is more like 7 feet or so at the shoulder, assuming the man is only 4 feet, 6 inches tall!
Saber-Tooth Geography: Another problem. Smilodon species existed in North and South America, whereas the man in the movie who encounters one does not look Native American. Ancestors of Native Americans were just now migrating into the North American continent at about 10,000 BC.
Sailboats: The trailer shows boats with red sails on a river, as well as big, wooden boats. Possible, but not likely… there is no evidence of sail or big boat technology for the time. Mesopotamians had sailboats on their rivers by 4,000 BC, however.
The Wheel: The wheel is not known to used, until invented by the Mesopotamians by 3200 BC, and may have been invented independently elsewhere.
Domesticated mammoth: One trailer version shows humans leading mammoths with some sort of harness. Again, possible, but not likely. Animals, other than dogs and goats, are not known to be domesticated by this time. And used as a beast of burden to help build the pyramids? C’mon! See next.
Cities or large man-made structures: No structures or cities this large and advanced are known by science to have been constructed by 10,000 BC. The structures and cities shown in the trailer look more like middle-eastern cities, closer to 5000-3000 BC. No pyramids, like shown in the trailer, are known to have been built by 10,000 BC.    Wikipedia: List of oldest continuously inhabited cities
Helmeted horseback rider: A man with a stereotypcial-viking-style helmet (were helmets even “invented” yet? … and see knife/metallurgy discussion below) is seen riding on horseback. There is no reason to believe that humans rode horses at this stage in prehistory or had even domesticated them yet. Horses were hunted and eaten at this time however!
Bows/Spear Points: A bow is shown in the trailer. Bows were almost invented by 10,000 BC, but likely they were another mellennium or two away yet. And what’s up with that fancy spear point in the aforementioned scene with the over-sized saber-tooth? That’s an unlikley style - if anything, something made for ceremony - but probably useless for hunting. Some real Stone Age points can be seen here.
Knives/Swords: At least one of the trailers shows what appears to be something like a steel knife and you can hear what sounds like clashing swords. Well, assuming it’s not steel, but bronze, it’s still thousands of years too early. Although there is a possible early (7500 BC) site for copper metal working, it is generally accepted that bronze (alloy of copper and tin) was not discovered until 3500 BC.  As far as iron goes, the earliest known iron-based weapons  were Egyptian and made from meteoric iron. Iron extraction from ore was not done until 1200 BC.    Wikipedia: Metallurgy
Shaving: Maybe. Plucking seems to have pre-dated shaving in human history, but it’s hard to know for sure from the archaeological record. I’m guessing that most men that could (as with today, depends on one’s genetics) grow full beards did grow full beards at this time, though they could have also been decorated, braided, cut short, etc.. There surely would have been much variation in customs and technology from tribe to tribe. 
Hunting Tactics: A scene shows a hunter squirming along the ground between unaware grazing mammoths. Now, you don’t have to be a seasoned hunter or zoologist to correctly guess it would take about a half second for the mammoth to stomp the $%&@ out of him.
Where do you learn about the real life of 10,000 BC? From an authoritative scientific source or something that get it’s information from a scientific source. Here are a couple sources to get you started:

10th Millennium BC, on Wikipedia

Birth of Civilization: See the National Geographic Channel’s Birth of Civilization, which does a good job of covering the evolution of culture in the middle east from about 12,000 BC through 3,000 BC.

Around 10,000 BC, there were less than 5 million people on earth, scattered among all continents except Antarctica. The earth was going through a period of global warming. Receding glaciers allowed the ancestors of Native Americans to migrate from Asia. Humans were hunter-gatherers and many nomadic. Agriculture has not really taken off yet, although goats were domesticated in Persia, and figs domesticated in the Jordan River valley at about this time. In Mesopotamia, people began making beer (hey, gotta have your priorities!) from the grain they were gathering. Evolutionarily, humans were essentially the same as now, though there are likely some slight changes since then.

Despite the inaccuracies, I will still see the movie when it comes out, but will, of course, consider it a fantasy film. I guess we’ll imagine it as a world that could have been - maybe on another planet. There are rumors that The History Channel might do a documentary about a more authentic version of the 10,000 BC era (as they did with The 300). I hope so… it’s only right!

10,000 B.C. Official Site

10,000 B.C. on Rotten Tomatoes



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Re: 10,000 BC
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2008, 02:18:29 AM »
I heard about that movie due in March, pero im not so enthused to see it...

I only watch part of the 300 Movie but i didnt like it that much...too much makeup on the men's face and too unrealistic that almost everybody got six packs!

ay March naman diay karon...

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2008, 03:40:45 AM »
I want to watch this movie so bad.



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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2008, 03:44:48 AM »
i watched it this afternoon, i was so disappointed, well yes i was entertained in a way but most of the scenes look familiar, i mean wasnt original, seems like ive seen them somewhere...and the tribe's men looked funny, costume designer failed...i was expecting a more prehistoric one

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2008, 03:46:49 AM »
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Re: 10,000 BC
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2008, 03:48:27 AM »
but if you want entertainment...go ahead dong enzo...just for a laugh...it's not that bad...

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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2008, 04:19:53 AM »
3d animation ba ni or rendered?

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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2008, 04:37:09 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2008, 05:43:09 AM »
I'm like Belle, i'm also not looking forward to see it. If it doesn't have high reviews, I won't waste my time.

But for some, they might really like it.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2008, 05:48:16 AM »
Beth ana sad ko mag research sa ko before nako tan awon... its not nga dili nindot pero lain lain man gud ta'g caliber of amusements...

Beth do you like Charlie Chaplin? did you or have you watch it? if not, hala rent tanan nga Charlie Chaplin, kay dili bakya nga funny movies...

sus magisi jud akong apapangig ug katawa ana! akong gisuwayan ug record sa pc di man ko kabalo kay ako unta i share sa Scan... :P

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2008, 06:18:08 AM »
Beth ana sad ko mag research sa ko before nako tan awon... its not nga dili nindot pero lain lain man gud ta'g caliber of amusements...

Beth do you like Charlie Chaplin? did you or have you watch it? if not, hala rent tanan nga Charlie Chaplin, kay dili bakya nga funny movies...

sus magisi jud akong apapangig ug katawa ana! akong gisuwayan ug record sa pc di man ko kabalo kay ako unta i share sa Scan... :P

wala pa nako na sya suwai Belle, palamuot bitaw na sya kay more on action nga walay tingog, korek ba ko? murag si Mr.Bean bitaw

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Re: 10,000 BC
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2008, 09:32:15 PM »
the best part of the movie is the 3d animation of the sabertooth and the mammoths ..
pro. carnivores with white teetH?
ice men in dreadlocks and some animal skin? hmmm
still,money paid was worth it :) makalingaw rapud and story.. and of course gwapo ang hunter. LoL
but comparedto apocalypto, im for  apocalypto :)

bytheway: www.rottentomatoes.... a must visit site before you go watch a movie. :)

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« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2008, 01:16:40 AM »
I want to watch this movie so bad.

same here..

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« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2008, 01:17:58 AM »
bytheway: www.rottentomatoes.... a must visit site before you go watch a movie. :)

i shall remember this....dugay raka nag watch ani, bem?

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2008, 01:36:40 AM »
yes te. i thought it was a bore and more on 10000 bc civilisation. but the turned out to be a love story diay. just dont mind the acting or the poor unrealistic costumes of the actors. it's for real worth a watch.. typical movie chillax day

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« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2008, 03:39:48 AM »
nakatulog jud ko nagwatch ani. mas nice pa ang 3 Pigs & a Baby hehehhehe

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2008, 03:48:33 AM »
error of geography...scientifically disoriented

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2008, 03:50:18 AM »
i watched it this afternoon, i was so disappointed, well yes i was entertained in a way but most of the scenes look familiar, i mean wasnt original, seems like ive seen them somewhere...and the tribe's men looked funny, costume designer failed...i was expecting a more prehistoric one

3d animation ba ni or rendered?

di nalang ko tan-aw. ;D

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