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KUMUSTA?
« on: August 30, 2007, 08:27:48 PM »
Kamusta na!!ang mga tinagurian pa ring mga PATAY GUTOM! at DUKHA! ng asya?

dahil sa mga KAT~NG~HAN!! NAGHIRAP ANG BANSA!

FILIPINOS...kaya pa ba ang buhay sa karalitaan?

thats the price ALL YOU STUP~D FILIPINOS..HAVE TO PAY!
for being TOOOOOO LAZY AND TOOOOOO IGN~R@NT!! to move on towards progress..

THINK STRONGER STUP~D FILIPINOS...
THINK STRONGER THIS TIME..

eh..kung ang filipino ay hindi mga sagad T~NG~ AT B*BO!! bakit mahirap? dahil ba MATALINO?

bakit kailangan..MAGPUNTA at MAGPUTA!! ng mga FILIPINA o ate mo sa japan?

nasaan si INAY...nasa taiwan...hongkong..europa..o saan man..NAGPUPUNAS NG TAE!! ni ma'am----at kadalasan..HINAHALAY ni sir ng lihim sa loob ng tahanan...

FYI---ISA NA NAMANG FILIPINA DOMESTIC HELPER SA KUWAIT ang GINAHASA AT PINATAY NG MGA ARABO-

AT SI ITAY..naghuhukay!! sa gitnang silanganan

at si KUYA..nasa kalagitnaan ng karagatan..NAGTITIKTIK KALAWANG...

ABER..nga mga T~NG~!! ito ba ang mga KATALINUHAN AT KABAYANIHAN ng mga MAHARLIKA na naturingan?

o mga KAT~NG~HAN!! pamana pa ng inyong mga T~NG~ NA MAGULANG??

---ANG LAHING FILIPINO ay LAHI ng mga T~NG~ AT B*BO!! kaya MAHIRAP!! dahil kung matatalino ang mga T~NG~NG FILIPINO..bakit MAHIRAP?

---hindi MINAHAL at NIRESPETO ng mga T~NG~NG FILIPINO ang PILIPINAS..kaya NAGHIRAP!! so, there is no reason for you..STUP~D FILIPINOS..TO FEEL PROUD!!


ang nagpatalas ng talim ng sandata ng kahirapan...ay ang kapurulan na rin ng kaisipan ng sambayanan..

ang bayang may kahinaan mula diwa hangang katauhan ay ang bansang may kahirapan..kadikit ay kaguluhan...

dahil ang kahinaan na iyan ang nagbibigay kalakasan sa pesteng karahasan..

KUDETA
N.P.A
MNLF
MILF
ABU SAYYAF
KURATONG
BUNCAYAO
DRUG CARTELS AND ITS FILIPINO YOUTH VICTIMS
VIOLENCE TO WOMEN...LIKE RAPE
VIOLENCE TO CHILDREN...LIKE RAPE
VIOLENCE TO ELDERS....LIKE RAPE
GRAFT
CORRUPTIONS
OFW OR THE BAGONG ALIPIN and not bayani
ANG PAGPUPUTA!! NG MGA FILIPINA
AT FILIPINO NA RIN SA NGAYON...ang mga kabataan..
KIDNAPPING
AMBUSH OR PAGPATAY
HUMAN ORGAN SELLING LIKE KIDNEYS TO FEED ONESELF
SQUATTERS ALLOVER
NAGKALAT ANG MGA BASURA..senyales ng KAWALANG DISIPLINA..
at kung ano ano pa...

KAUNLARAN----ang pamantayan na ang isang bansa ay may kalakasan ng kaisipan..

KAHIRAPAN----ang sukatan na ang isang bansa ay may UBOD KAT~NG~HAN..

nasaan sa 2 ang inyong bansa..MGA FILIPINO NA SAGAD B*BO AT T~NG~?

sa DEMOKRASYA..kung ano ang KARAMIHAN..siya lagi ANG LAHAT..

AT KARAMIHAN AY NASA KAHIRAPAN..KAYAT LAHAT AY MAY KAT~NG~HAN!!

DAHIL HINDI KAILANMAN NAGING KATALINUHAN ANG KAHIRAPAN..

IGNORANCE + STUP~DITY = POVERTY

TRUTH HURTS...ISNT STUP~D FILIPINOS?
TRUTH HURTS..INDEED

YOU WILL NEVER KNOW ONES IGNORANCE UNLESS, BE TOLD..STUP~D FILIPINOS...

THE PROBLEM WITH YOU..STUP~D FILIPINOS...YOU ALL ACCEPTED POVERTY AS A NORMAL THING FOR BEING A FILIPINO...

WHO IS PAYING NOW? NOONE BUT YOU...STUP~D FILIPINOS

WALA NG DAPAT ASAHAN KANINO MAN..HIGIT NA SA PAMAHALAAN..DAHIL SA INYO ITO UMAASA NG HIGIT NA KALAKASAN..

WALA SA PAMAHALAAN ANG KAUNLARAN..BAGKUS, NA SA SARILING KAKAYANAN...DAHIL

KAHIT SINO ANG PANGULO
O ANO MAN ANG GAWIN NG INYONG GOBYERNO..

KUNG IKAW MISMO...FILIPINO AY B*BO!!

TUMUNGO SA KAUNLARAN..WALA PA RING MANGYAYARI SA SARILING KABUHAYAN....

HIGIT PA KAYA SA INYONG PINAKAMAMAHAL NA BAYAN??

the STUP~D FILIPINOS..are proud in words alone..but in action..is a BIG QUESTION..

KASI KUNG PROUD DIN ANG FILIPINO EVEN IN ACTION..WALA SA HIRAP ANG BANSA NINYO...

TIME TO REFLECT STUP~D FILIPINOS..
TIME TO REFLECT...THIS TIME..

ask yourselves STUP~D FILIPINOS..do you still trust each other more??

or worst..

DO YOU STILL TRUST YOURSELF..MORE BEING A FILIPINO??

ABROAD..THE FILIPINOS ARE BEING TREATED AS 3RD CLASS PEOPLE..WHY? KASI GALING KA SA MAHIRAP NA BANSA...IYAN ANG RESULTA NG KAT~NG~HAN NG LAHI NAGHIRAP ANG SARILING BANSA...

if you love your country THE PHILIPPINES nd yourselves being FILIPINOS..make yourselves PROGRESSIVE and not poor...

kasi ang KAHIRAPAN AY KAT~NG~HAN!!
AT KAT~NG~HAN ANG KAHIRAPAN!!

MAY MGA BANSA NA NASA KAUNLARAN..BAKIT HINDI SILA ANG TIGNAN AT GAYAHIN NG LUBUSAN....?



the FILIPINOS are known for their bravery..then why toooooooooo scared to fight poverty?

kasi nga ang mga FILIPINO AY MGA B*BO AT T~NG~!


dahil sa KAT~NG~HAN ng dumaraming filipino at filipina na NAGPAPAKATULONG AT NAGPUPUTA!! SA IBANG BANSA...

NADAMAY ANG LAHAT NG KABABAIHAN SA SARILING BANSA...

THE MORE U DEFEND IGNORANCE THE MORE U DEFEND POVERTY!!!


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Re: KUMUSTA?
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 09:51:39 PM »
Common man na all over the world, it's on how to handle it... ngano diri sa America wala na? yes mas grabe pa, but people dont mind them that much kay busy, they have no time to think all of those...

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2007, 10:42:20 PM »
nganong hirap ang Pinas? kay sigeg panganak ang mga tawo bisan wala na'y ipalamoy... mao nang inig dagku sa mga bata ma-end up na lang mangawat, manulis, etc., wa'y kontrol ang mga tawo... sige lang palami... tsk! tsk!

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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 10:57:08 PM »
^ pare! kummusta ka dinha??

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2007, 11:07:07 PM »
nganong hirap ang Pinas? kay sigeg panganak ang mga tawo bisan wala na'y ipalamoy... mao nang inig dagku sa mga bata ma-end up na lang mangawat, manulis, etc., wa'y kontrol ang mga tawo... sige lang palami... tsk! tsk!
and you know why??? churches dont allow them to use contraceptives, who is to blame now here???
balik na pod ta ani sa religion.... Hadjiiii where are you, heeeeeelp!!!!!

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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 11:35:45 PM »
nganong hirap ang Pinas? kay sigeg panganak ang mga tawo bisan wala na'y ipalamoy... mao nang inig dagku sa mga bata ma-end up na lang mangawat, manulis, etc., wa'y kontrol ang mga tawo... sige lang palami... tsk! tsk!

Developing countries have high birth rates because
Many parents will have a lot of children in the expectation that some will die because of the high infant mortality rate
Large families can help in looking after the farm
The children will be able to look after their parents if they become old or sick; there may not be a old age pension scheme
There may be a shortage of family planning facilities and advice

Developed countries have low birth rates because
It is expensive to look after large families
More women prefer to concentrate on their careers
Increasing sexual equality has meant women have more control over their own fertility
There is a ready availability of contraception and family planning advice


Developing countries have high death rates because, in many cases, there are
Dirty, unreliable water supplies
Poor housing conditions
Poor access to medical sevices
Endemic disease in some countries
Diets that are short in calories and/or protein

Developed countries have low death rates because, in many cases, there are
Good housing conditions
Safe water supplies
More than enough food to eat
Advanced medical services which are easy to access
Some developed countries have a high death rate as they have an ageing population with many older people.

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The concept follows the Malthusian theory; please check this link to see graphs related to the consensus:
http://www.scalloway.org.uk/popu6.htm

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Another study you would like to read:

Philippines


Nutritional Status of High-Fertility Women
In spite of efforts to in the Philippines to promote family planning, fertility remains high among older rural women with little formal education. Numerous studies in developing countries have shown that high-fertility women are at increased risk for maternal mortality and morbidity. The effect of high fertility on the nutritional status of the mother, however, has been less consistent.

Study Design
The original Cebu Longitudinal Health and Nutrition Survey (CLHNS) recruited 3,327 pregnant women from 33 barangays in the Cebu City metropolitan area. These women subsequently had a birth or pregnancy termination within a one-year period beginning in 1983. A follow-up survey was successfully conducted with 2,395 of the women in 1991. This descriptive analysis is based on 2,037 women who were not pregnant at the 1991 follow-up survey.

Higher fertility was defined as six or more pregnancies; there were 825 higher fertility women in the study and 1,212 lower fertility women. Higher and lower fertility women were compared, based on socioeconomic characteristics, reproductive events and nutritional status.

In order to compare higher and lower fertility women in terms of nutritional status and reproductive patterns, researchers from the University of North Carolina, Family Health International (FHI) and the University of San Carlos in Cebu, Philippines, have analyzed data from the Cebu Longitudinal Health and Nutrition Survey (CLHNS), collected in 1983–86, and from the follow-up study in 1991–92.

Research Findings

In comparison with lower fertility women:


Higher fertility women were older, less educated, rural, had fewer household assets and earned less money.
Higher fertility women were more likely to have experienced at least one fetal loss (44 percent) than low fertility women (19 percent). Higher fertility women had shorter birth intervals, were less likely to be using family planning, had breastfed a greater proportion of their children for longer than 12 months, and were more likely to experience overlap of lactation and pregnancy (68 percent experienced overlap, compared with 32 percent of lower fertility women).
Higher fertility women had poorer diets, with lower intakes of energy, protein and fat. The lowest intake was found in rural, low-income, older, higher fertility women.

Higher fertility women weighed less and had a higher prevalence of chronic energy deficiency than women with lower fertility.
Higher fertility women appear to be at greater risk for poor nutritional status because of the stresses of multiple pregnancies and lactations with inadequate recuperative intervals between pregnancies rather than from the stress of excessively long duration of lactation. An overlap of pregnancy and lactation caused additional stress. However, lactation was generally discontinued soon after a pregnancy was identified, although some women continued to breast-feed for several months; the mean overlap was 16.5 weeks.

In addition to reproductive stresses, the poor nutritional status of higher fertility women was related to inadequate dietary intake, older age, and characteristics such as rural residence, low income and low education.
Recommendations

For programs serving high fertility women in the Philippines, recommendations include:

Adequate birth spacing, especially for rural women, should be promoted; this means that access to family planning must be improved to make birth spacing possible;
Dietary intake needs to be improved for older higher fertility women; and
Breastfeeding should be promoted, combined with recognition of the importance of meeting women's increased energy and nutrient needs during lactation.

Study Details

This summary is based on a paper by Barbara Polhamus, "A Profile of High-fertility Women in the Philippines," Carolina Population Center, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC, l996. It was supported by the Women's Studies Project through a Cooperative Agreement from the U.S. Agency for International Development.

Source: http://www.fhi.org/en/RH/Pubs/wsp/fctshts/Philippines6.htm

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2007, 11:38:41 PM »
and you know why??? churches dont allow them to use contraceptives, who is to blame now here???
balik na pod ta ani sa religion.... Hadjiiii where are you, heeeeeelp!!!!!
Believe it or not--the church's teachings dont really play a key role--its more on economics than on religious. Afterall, the PHilippines is not an industrialized/westernized country. Read the comment I posted above--hope that helps.

I mean, I'd like to try to solve this by making specific inferences; you say that the Catholic Church's teachings is the causatory agent; however, have you seen and compared the birth rates of the Philippines to neighbouring countries?

***note--this information comes from the 2007 CIA World Factbook***

Bangladesh:
Population:   
150,448,339 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 33.1% (male 25,639,640/female 24,174,937)
15-64 years: 63.4% (male 48,659,087/female 46,712,687)
65 years and over: 3.5% (male 2,818,638/female 2,443,350) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 22.5 years
male: 22.5 years
female: 22.5 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
2.056% (2007 est.) 


Cambodia
Population:   
13,995,904
note: estimates for this country take into account the effects of excess mortality due to AIDS; this can result in lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality and death rates, lower population growth rates, and changes in the distribution of population by age and sex than would otherwise be expected (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 34% (male 2,405,561/female 2,355,404)
15-64 years: 62.4% (male 4,234,701/female 4,500,994)
65 years and over: 3.6% (male 189,090/female 310,154) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 21.3 years
male: 20.6 years
female: 22.1 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
1.729% (2007 est.) 

Laos

Population:   
6,521,998 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 41.2% (male 1,349,352/female 1,338,252)
15-64 years: 55.7% (male 1,795,029/female 1,835,168)
65 years and over: 3.1% (male 90,188/female 114,009) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 19 years
male: 18.7 years
female: 19.3 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
2.37% (2007 est.) 

India
Population:   
1,129,866,154 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 31.8% (male 188,208,196/female 171,356,024)
15-64 years: 63.1% (male 366,977,821/female 346,034,565)
65 years and over: 5.1% (male 27,258,259/female 30,031,289) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 24.8 years
male: 24.5 years
female: 25.2 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
1.606% (2007 est.) 

Indonesia

Population:   
234,693,997 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 28.7% (male 34,309,176/female 33,148,341)
15-64 years: 65.6% (male 77,132,708/female 76,731,481)
65 years and over: 5.7% (male 5,956,471/female 7,415,820) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 26.9 years
male: 26.4 years
female: 27.4 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
1.213% (2007 est.) 

East Timor (Timor-Leste)
Population:   
1,084,971
note: other estimates range as low as 800,000 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 35.7% (male 196,825/female 190,454)
15-64 years: 61.1% (male 337,816/female 325,094)
65 years and over: 3.2% (male 16,823/female 17,959) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 21.1 years
male: 21.2 years
female: 21.1 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
2.059% (2007 est.) 

Pakistan
Population:   
164,741,924 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 36.9% (male 31,264,576/female 29,507,174)
15-64 years: 58.8% (male 49,592,033/female 47,327,161)
65 years and over: 4.3% (male 3,342,650/female 3,708,330) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 20.9 years
male: 20.7 years
female: 21 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
1.828% (2007 est.) 


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Note that most of these countries have a populatory growth rate of over 1.5%, and these countries are muslim countries, buddhist, Hindu etc--which correlates to the Malthusian concept and strengthens that the Church's teachings has nothing to do with population growth in a thirld world/ developing country--instead it is pure and simple economics that makes these influences. Population growth rate is directly linked to the human development index of a country. As a country is industrializing--its population will be high to fuel industrialization--and is a country summits industrialization and becomes a 'modern' state--so too will its population as there will be no need to maintain such a high population. (As mentioned in prior posts)

If you read history, particularly in Europe--you will see this trend. During the late 19th century during the Age of European Imperialism--and during the age of European Industrialization--countries such as Great Britain, Germany, France, Spain etc created empires to fuel its industries at home--and the population in these countries swelled to the millions--thereby providing man power to build steel plants, trains, mills, ships, homes etc. As Europe (western europe to be exact) finished its industrialization process--and the standard of livign increased--leading to decreased child mortality rates---there no longer was a need to have so many xxxx children--as the economy wasn't so dependent on agrarian market--whereas it was now focused on inter-regional/ intercontinental trade, business and bankings e tc.

We see this now in economics and politics in South East Asia and Asia-Pacific--as countries in our region are industrializing---so too is the population to fuel and aid in the process---and so long as the country remains highly dependent on agrarian market--then the population growth rate will continue to at the stagnant 1.5%. WHEN the Philippines changes and becomes a service-focused market economy---then we will see a negative effect on our population growth--and it will decrease.

We see this in S. Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia. (All of which had HIGH populatory growth rates when they were industrializing/developing)


This scattergraph shows that a country with a high infant mortality (many children dieing young) will tend to have a higher birth rate.














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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 11:54:06 PM »
i see. but may i know how old you are?? im 42 im just curious...


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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2007, 12:01:42 AM »
i see. but may i know how old you are?? im 42 im just curious...


Twenty two, ma'am.

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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 12:25:24 AM »
22 last? what year???  hahahaha im joking... ok

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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2007, 12:40:16 AM »
curious lang ko kay imong opinion sa topic binag-o man gud (binatan-on) kay akoa tinigulang, hahahaha. Re: fertility etc.

unsa man diay gibuhat sa atong Health department diha??? naa man tay mga free nga birth control pills? where are those??? sa akong panahon daghan pros ug nagbaha ang cons sa contraceptive method mao na nga i said before nga apil religion sa "cons" (but i didnt apply it), fertility can be stop or prevented. . .

ambot lang!!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2007, 01:07:27 AM »
curious lang ko kay imong opinion sa topic binag-o man gud (binatan-on) kay akoa tinigulang, hahahaha. Re: fertility etc.

unsa man diay gibuhat sa atong Health department diha??? naa man tay mga free nga birth control pills? where are those??? sa akong panahon daghan pros ug nagbaha ang cons sa contraceptive method mao na nga i said before nga apil religion sa "cons" (but i didnt apply it), fertility can be stop or prevented. . .

ambot lang!!!!!

The Health department in the Philippines isn't as developed as the ones here in the United States--particularly where I am at (in the north east: NJ)--if you go to a local community shelter, police department or community hall, you will see the presence of public health nurses to assist anyone in child planning and or pregnancy--including abortion etc.

In the Philippines, luuy lang kai limited ka sa tanan atong gobyerno kai limited funds man jud--daghang provinces gud--about 81 provinces and a population of over 90 million--and the government's budget is about $20 Billion. This is supposed to cover defense, infrastructural projects (highways, airports, naval ports, railway systems, schools, hospitals, salaries of the beaurocracy and maintenance). Of course natural--not enough funding is placed in our health department---that is the problem. The country is not only booming and industrializing--so there will be a high demand of workers--which motivates child growth. Then there is also a 50% dependency on the agrarian market--as the Philippines is still an agrarian-focused market economy--meaning families will continue to produce large children in the rural communities in order to properly operate the haciendas and farms in the Visayas, Mindanao and Luzon districts. Economics, primarily, is a large causatory agent in the populatary growth rate in the Philippines--than the notion of Church conservatism.

Think about it this way, Christian teachings in the Philippines preaches the imorality of homosexuality and its actions---yet there is high percentage of gay and lesbian Filipino in the Philippines and abroad. Which clearly indicates that Church teachings isn't properly followed. If it was--the Philippines would show little to no homosexual populations, diba? The same applies about child growth--the Church is there to be a moral authority on christian doctorine--the same way as the mosque and its imams are there to provide direction for the muslim population. Considering there is a clear separation of church and state--the Catholic Church and other denominatory churches in the Philippines ha no political ligitimacy--it cannot make laws--or break laws--it can only teach and preach to its congregation. Its up to the individual on an individual basis to either act on those teachings or ignore it.

Consensus wise, it is evident that economics is the key agent---there is way too much evidence for that--than there is against it. History has provided us example--and an answer to this.

Hope that helps.

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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2007, 02:05:28 AM »
nag lunop atong mga nurses, didto, nganong dili man na i apil sa curriculum or sa practicum nang family planning? blame napod ta sa gobyerno ani.............. :D

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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2007, 02:39:58 AM »
nag lunop atong mga nurses, didto, nganong dili man na i apil sa curriculum or sa practicum nang family planning? blame napod ta sa gobyerno ani.............. :D

Siguro, Belle.

Maybe..just mabye..the government wants to maintain the population trend so we continue training engineers--nurses--doctors--pharmacists and other technocrats year after year to secure the OFW system. I mean, this is purely hypothetical in my view, but if you think about it--it makes sense on a nation-wide view. The more OFWs you have--there will be more annual remittances to the RP--and provide the capital to fuel national growth. Its actually practical--if you think about it. The more OFWs you have abroad--the more income they will be sending back to the country--to satiate the needs of their families. As long as the mass of the people are satiated--there is no revolution--and hence there is a stable government. The less OFWs there are--the less annual remittances are sent back--and as a result--the people dependend on them are forced to fend for themselves and look for the limited jobs there are in the country. Revolution and mass protest is inevetible. So long as there are schools training technocrats year after year and sending them off abroad--people will be satisfied and a high birth rate secures the longevity of this cyclic-system. An epitome of a dependency-satiation economic cycle, which places government in control of almost EVERYTHING.

Its brilliant, in my view, how government implemented this system. I know Marcos started the OFW system--and is proof of his shear political brilliancy.

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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2007, 02:57:54 AM »
nag lunop atong mga nurses, didto, nganong dili man na i apil sa curriculum or sa practicum nang family planning? blame napod ta sa gobyerno ani.............. :D

Bitaw, i do agree with you jud. Wa jud ko kaibao if gi apil ba ang family planning practicum didto sa pinas.
Anyone here know?

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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2007, 03:19:38 AM »


the church has made a great deal in not resolving the issue of population explosion... the teachings contradicts practices... which made the poor ( the large composition of the masses ) as the scapegoat... hence, difficult to change the perspectives.

on OFW system, it is really President Marcos' brilliant initiative ( hypocrite kaayo ang mga tawo sigeg basol kang MCoy unya gusto diay nila ang effect sa iyang mga ideas ug nahimo ).

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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2007, 03:33:08 AM »
mao gyud... maayo baya tong mga plano ni Macoy,(for me) kay siya ra man ang kurakot karon morag tanan na man...

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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2007, 03:48:23 AM »


tanan man gyod ang nangorakot...the one who threw stones on him were also advocates.... at least kong si Mcoy nangurakot nacontrol niya ang mga grupo na nangurakot, karon daghan na sila....

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2007, 02:59:06 PM »
isig iyahay man ug paningkakay sila kay para sa kaugalingon katagbawan maong sige pangurakot, pero ang nakaparat kay ang tao wala may katagbawan so dili jud maundang ang pangurakot.  samtang naa pay kurakuton, hala sige pa banat taman sa ginhawa.  maong daghan jud manglansad kada eleksiyon. 
looy raman ang common tao.

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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2007, 03:11:33 PM »


i don't believe nga looy ang mga tawo... kay ngano? kong gigamit nila ang konsensya,so sa piniliay ..mao na ila chance nga mopili ug maayo... sa bagay, paano ug wala mapili....

kay sa tinood, magnukol naman gyod mosolod sa politika ang mga maayo gyod nga tawo.....

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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2007, 03:14:21 PM »

i don't believe nga looy ang mga tawo... kay ngano? kong gigamit nila ang konsensya,so sa piniliay ..mao na ila chance nga mopili ug maayo... sa bagay, paano ug wala mapili....

kay sa tinood, magnukol naman gyod mosolod sa politika ang mga maayo gyod nga tawo.....
labi na ug ang maayong tawo walay kuarta.  dili man ka makadaog ug wala kay kuarta.  ang mga botante (dili pod tanan) gaexpect man jud nga naay uwan uwan.

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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2007, 11:43:15 PM »
ug talithi ra di gyud kadaug no???

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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2007, 01:18:42 AM »
Motoo baya ko nga it's something to do about religion ang pag-panganak kay against man ang simbahan sa vasectomy & ligate... grrrr!!! moingon man nga "childrens are gift from God"... tsk! tsk! tsk! mao nga ang mga mentality aning mga die-hard Catholics dili jud mo-adopt aning artificial birth control or other methods....

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2007, 02:12:12 AM »


that is what i've emphasized.... to have check and balance, the government or non-government, non-religious organizations must intensify efforts to educate people on the impact of non-controlled births....

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« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2007, 02:16:26 AM »
Motoo baya ko nga it's something to do about religion ang pag-panganak kay against man ang simbahan sa vasectomy & ligate... grrrr!!! moingon man nga "childrens are gift from God"... tsk! tsk! tsk! mao nga ang mga mentality aning mga die-hard Catholics dili jud mo-adopt aning artificial birth control or other methods....


Swakee pareho dagway ta ug edad, no???? pareha man ta ug opinion...

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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2007, 02:21:08 AM »


seguro ug ako ang class professor...maglibog ko ug evaluate kon kinsa bright student kay daghan man mo.... parehog dagway, parehog hunahuna, pareho tanan.... hehehehe

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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2007, 02:22:28 AM »
mo retire nalang ang maestro hahahahaha

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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2007, 03:49:44 PM »
Believe it or not--the church's teachings dont really play a key role--its more on economics than on religious. Afterall, the PHilippines is not an industrialized/westernized country. Read the comment I posted above--hope that helps.

I mean, I'd like to try to solve this by making specific inferences; you say that the Catholic Church's teachings is the causatory agent; however, have you seen and compared the birth rates of the Philippines to neighbouring countries?

***note--this information comes from the 2007 CIA World Factbook***

Bangladesh:
Population:   
150,448,339 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 33.1% (male 25,639,640/female 24,174,937)
15-64 years: 63.4% (male 48,659,087/female 46,712,687)
65 years and over: 3.5% (male 2,818,638/female 2,443,350) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 22.5 years
male: 22.5 years
female: 22.5 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
2.056% (2007 est.) 


Cambodia
Population:   
13,995,904
note: estimates for this country take into account the effects of excess mortality due to AIDS; this can result in lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality and death rates, lower population growth rates, and changes in the distribution of population by age and sex than would otherwise be expected (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 34% (male 2,405,561/female 2,355,404)
15-64 years: 62.4% (male 4,234,701/female 4,500,994)
65 years and over: 3.6% (male 189,090/female 310,154) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 21.3 years
male: 20.6 years
female: 22.1 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
1.729% (2007 est.) 

Laos

Population:   
6,521,998 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 41.2% (male 1,349,352/female 1,338,252)
15-64 years: 55.7% (male 1,795,029/female 1,835,168)
65 years and over: 3.1% (male 90,188/female 114,009) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 19 years
male: 18.7 years
female: 19.3 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
2.37% (2007 est.) 

India
Population:   
1,129,866,154 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 31.8% (male 188,208,196/female 171,356,024)
15-64 years: 63.1% (male 366,977,821/female 346,034,565)
65 years and over: 5.1% (male 27,258,259/female 30,031,289) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 24.8 years
male: 24.5 years
female: 25.2 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
1.606% (2007 est.) 

Indonesia

Population:   
234,693,997 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 28.7% (male 34,309,176/female 33,148,341)
15-64 years: 65.6% (male 77,132,708/female 76,731,481)
65 years and over: 5.7% (male 5,956,471/female 7,415,820) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 26.9 years
male: 26.4 years
female: 27.4 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
1.213% (2007 est.) 

East Timor (Timor-Leste)
Population:   
1,084,971
note: other estimates range as low as 800,000 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 35.7% (male 196,825/female 190,454)
15-64 years: 61.1% (male 337,816/female 325,094)
65 years and over: 3.2% (male 16,823/female 17,959) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 21.1 years
male: 21.2 years
female: 21.1 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
2.059% (2007 est.) 

Pakistan
Population:   
164,741,924 (July 2007 est.) 
Age structure:   
0-14 years: 36.9% (male 31,264,576/female 29,507,174)
15-64 years: 58.8% (male 49,592,033/female 47,327,161)
65 years and over: 4.3% (male 3,342,650/female 3,708,330) (2007 est.) 
Median age:   
total: 20.9 years
male: 20.7 years
female: 21 years (2007 est.) 
Population growth rate:   
1.828% (2007 est.) 


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Note that most of these countries have a populatory growth rate of over 1.5%, and these countries are muslim countries, buddhist, Hindu etc--which correlates to the Malthusian concept and strengthens that the Church's teachings has nothing to do with population growth in a thirld world/ developing country--instead it is pure and simple economics that makes these influences. Population growth rate is directly linked to the human development index of a country. As a country is industrializing--its population will be high to fuel industrialization--and is a country summits industrialization and becomes a 'modern' state--so too will its population as there will be no need to maintain such a high population. (As mentioned in prior posts)

If you read history, particularly in Europe--you will see this trend. During the late 19th century during the Age of European Imperialism--and during the age of European Industrialization--countries such as Great Britain, Germany, France, Spain etc created empires to fuel its industries at home--and the population in these countries swelled to the millions--thereby providing man power to build steel plants, trains, mills, ships, homes etc. As Europe (western europe to be exact) finished its industrialization process--and the standard of livign increased--leading to decreased child mortality rates---there no longer was a need to have so many xxxx children--as the economy wasn't so dependent on agrarian market--whereas it was now focused on inter-regional/ intercontinental trade, business and bankings e tc.

We see this now in economics and politics in South East Asia and Asia-Pacific--as countries in our region are industrializing---so too is the population to fuel and aid in the process---and so long as the country remains highly dependent on agrarian market--then the population growth rate will continue to at the stagnant 1.5%. WHEN the Philippines changes and becomes a service-focused market economy---then we will see a negative effect on our population growth--and it will decrease.

We see this in S. Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia. (All of which had HIGH populatory growth rates when they were industrializing/developing)


This scattergraph shows that a country with a high infant mortality (many children dieing young) will tend to have a higher birth rate.














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« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2007, 04:01:14 PM »

i don't believe nga looy ang mga tawo... kay ngano? kong gigamit nila ang konsensya,so sa piniliay ..mao na ila chance nga mopili ug maayo... sa bagay, paano ug wala mapili....

kay sa tinood, magnukol naman gyod mosolod sa politika ang mga maayo gyod nga tawo.....

correct ka dyan!! our political qualifications are :
                  1) rich    - para pamalit sa mga boto^.
                  2) fame   - singers/intertainers/boxers/etc.

just like selecting best of the worst.

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« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2007, 09:08:49 PM »
makahilak man pod ta ani basa ani Onicul85 oi!!! hehehehe

Sorry pre, hope it helped tho--i just had to prove to some of our members that high growth rates isn't mainly correlated to church teachings--rather simple hard economics. "Sometimes it is necessary to cleanse the misunderstanding/ignorance of others--lest they propagate the same view over and over. " -Machiavelli

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« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2007, 09:12:35 PM »
correct ka dyan!! our political qualifications are :
                  1) rich    - para pamalit sa mga boto^.
                  2) fame   - singers/intertainers/boxers/etc.

just like selecting best of the worst.

It's true, unsa may abilidad intawon anang mga singers??? nga dili man gani sila gahimo sa ilang kanta??? entertainers nga wa ka graduate ug high school and boxers??? OMG. kinsa may boxer nga ninglansar???

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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2007, 09:19:14 PM »
Mga kababayan,
this is quite an embarassing insight, i cant help but cry after reading this....



Subject: A Korean Student's Essay on the Philippines


My Short Essay about the Philippines
Jaeyoun Kim
September 2003


Filipinos always complain about the corruption in the Philippines. Do you really think the corruption is the problem of the Philippines? I do not think so. I strongly believe that the problem is the lack of love for the Philippines.

Let me first talk about my country, Korea. It might help you understand my point. After the Korean War, South Korea was one of the poorest
countries in the world. Koreans had to start from scratch because entire country was destroyed completely after the Korean War, and we had no
natural resources.

Koreans used to talk about the Philippines, for Filipinos were very rich in Asia. We envy Filipinos. Koreans really wanted to be well off like Filipinos. Many Koreans died of famine. My father's brother also died because of famine.

Korean government was awfully corrupt and is still very corrupt beyond your imagination, but Korea was able to develop dramatically because
Koreans really did their best for the common good with their heart burning with patriotism. Koreans did not work just for themselves but also for their neighborhood and country. Education inspired young men with the spirit of patriotism.

40 years ago, President Park took over the government to reform Korea. He tried to borrow money from other countries, but it was not possible to get a loan and attract a foreign investment because the economy situation of South Korea was so bad. Korea had only three factories. So, President Park sent many mine workers and nurses to Germany so that they could send money to Korea to build a factory. They had to go through a horrible experience. In 1964, President Park visited Germany to borrow money. Hundred of Koreans in Germany came to the airport to welcome him and cried there as they saw the President Park. They asked to him, "President, when can we be well off?" That was the only question everyone asked to him. President Park cried with them and promised them that Korea would be well off if everyone works hard for Korea, and the President of Germany got the strong impression on them and lent money to Korea. So, President Park was able to build many factories in Korea.

He always asked Koreans to love their country from their heart. Many Korean scientists and engineers in the USA came back to Korea to help
developing country because they wanted their country to be well off.

Though they received very small salary, they did their best for Korea. They always hoped that their children would live in well off country.

My parents always brought me to the places where poor and physically handicapped people live. They wanted me to understand their life and help them. I also worked for Catholic Church when I was in the army. The only thing I learned from Catholic Church was that we have to love our neighborhood. And I have loved my neighborhood.

Have you cried for the Philippines? I have cried for my country several times. I also cried for the Philippines because of so many poor people.
I have been to the New Bilibid prison. What made me sad in the prison were the prisoners who do not have any love for their country. They go
to mass and work for Church. They pray everyday. However, they do not love the Philippines. I talked to two prisoners at the maximum security
compound, and both of them said that they would leave the Philippines right after they are released from the prison. They said that they would start a new life in other countries and never come back to the Philippines.

Many Koreans have a great love for Korea so that we were able to share our wealth with our neighborhood. The owners of factory and company were distributed their profit to their employees fairly so that employees could buy what they needed and saved money for the future and their
children.

When I was in Korea, I had a very strong faith and wanted to be a priest. However, when I came to the Philippines, I completely lost my
faith. I was very confused when I saw many unbelievable situations in the Philippines. Street kids always make me sad, and I see them
everyday. The Philippines is the only Catholic country in Asia, but there are too many poor people here. People go to church every Sunday to
pray, but nothing has been changed. My parents came to the Philippines last week and saw this situation. They told me that Korea was much
poorer than the present Philippines when they were young. They are so sorry that there so many beggars and street kids. When we went to
Pasangjan, I forced my parents to take a boat because it would fun. However, they were not happy after taking a boat. They said that they
would not take the boat again because they were sympathized the boat men, for the boat men were very poor and had a small frame. Most of people just took a boat and enjoyed it. But my parents did not enjoy it because of love for them.

My mother who has been working for Catholic Church since I was very young told me that if we just go to mass without changing ourselves, we
are not Catholic indeed. Faith should come with action. She added that I have to love Filipinos and do good things for them because all of us are
same and have received a great love from God.

I want Filipinos love their neighborhood and country as much as they love God so that the Philippines will be well off. I am sure that love
is the keyword which Filipinos should remember. We cannot change the sinful structure at once. It should start from person. Love must start
in everybody in a small scale and have to grow. A lot of things happen if we open up to love. Let's put away our prejudices and look at our worries with our new eyes. I discover that every person is worthy to be loved. Trust in love, because it makes changes possible. Love changes you and me. It changes people, contexts and relationships. It changes the world.

Please love your neighborhood and country. Jesus Christ said that whatever we do to others we do to Him. In the Philippines, there is God
who are abused and abandoned. There is God who is crying for love. If you have a child, teach them how to love the Philippines. Teach them why they have to love their neighborhood and country.

You already know that God also will be very happy if you love others. That's all I really want to ask you Filipinos.


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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2007, 09:22:14 PM »
To make the story short, confuse gyud ang mga pinoy? why??? dili baya ko kasabot sa pilipinas karon kon maluoy ba ko or not...

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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2007, 09:43:48 PM »
Thank you Gervistil.

This is a hot point where all of us must have to think of!!!!!!!  i remember, our previous Pres. Ramos had visited Germany but i was not yet up to date of that time of some political news for i was very busy of my hard started life here. Or shall i have to say, got no courage like the Koreans did? I personally admit that what is above-cited really describes how and who we are, isn't?



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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2007, 10:01:22 PM »
Thank you Gervistil.

This is a hot point where all of us must have to think of!!!!!!!  i remember, our previous Pres. Ramos had visited Germany but i was not yet up to date of that time of some political news for i was very busy of my hard started life here. Or shall i have to say, got no courage like the Koreans did? I personally admit that what is above-cited really describes how and who we are, isn't?



Reading the article above tells me one thing: the ability of the Filipino to succeed.

Sure, we as a people went astray--with politics and economic downturn, however, i think that we as a nation and people have progressed alot during the past 20 years since the fall of the Marcos administration. The Philippines has learned alot of things--from what to do--and what not to do; and our ability to cope with difficulties yet able to find a way to survive and provide for our fellow kababayan is nothing short of reliability and fervor.

I do truly think that the 21st century is the era when our precious fatherland will rise to its full potential. Who knows---someday in the early 22nd century--there will probably be another group of tubag boholers that discuss and analyze our commentry in here--and the actions/news of the past (the 21st century). Let us as a people strive for the best in our own times--and continue to give back to our homeland.

Don't ever ever give up on our Philippines and our precious Bohol. The moment you do--then its all over.

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Re: KUMUSTA?
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2007, 10:18:52 PM »
Yeah why not??? lets start it, right now...

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Re: KUMUSTA?
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2007, 10:27:25 PM »
Hi Pare!

Respect to the Koreans!  "ARE WE NOT AN EGOISTIC FOLKS?"

Let Gervistil paste this theme in thread "FILIPINOS ARE NO LONGER POOR? , ok tnxs


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