Author Topic: Is Obama right about the health care? (Read 16818 times)

ms da binsi · « **Reply #40 on:** February 05, 2010, 11:42:58 PM »

pwede diay ta ka pangajo ug kopya?

BTW: i like your signature that says: God has a soft spot for sinners...

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #41 on:** February 05, 2010, 11:51:51 PM »

Suwayan daw nato ug pangayo usahay di man ni sila mobalibad.
Bitaw ganahan bitaw ko maminaw aning qoute naho hehehhe God had soft spot for sinners. Perfect example ni Sex is Evil, Evil is sin, Sins are Forgiven, So Sex is In!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #42 on:** February 06, 2010, 12:05:49 AM »

wish i could read those 900+ pages of Obama Health Care. pero di gani ko kahuman og basa aring akong reading nga 10 pages ra. samot na nang kang Obama. hahahaha

Hahaha. Ning skim ra galing ko Ana. Read about 200 pages bc therest is pure bullshittt!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #43 on:** February 06, 2010, 12:46:17 AM »

now AMA is right! you sided the HCR before and now you're in your third year, you sided the AMA.

hahahaha nibalintong na.

unsa man juy imong gidapigan, dong? hahahaha

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indaymen50 · « **Reply #44 on:** February 06, 2010, 03:02:54 AM »

I am not an avid reader either so I get my info from work and internet....but thanks to those who read it more and share us some great infos and ideas...like Lorenzo.

It doesn't mean to say that we agree but it gives us some time to weigh things and maybe talk to the right people and make a difference.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 06, 2010, 03:25:44 AM »

since i came in this part of the globe, i've never seen a president in the USA who is as passionate as Obama regarding his platform of government. until now he is still going from one community forum to another, even facing his Republican opponents and engaging them in a debate, just to explain and assure the people about his well-intentioned dream for healthy America.

i am just wondering how could one face all of those emotional debates, if he is not totally convinced that his program is not a pile of bullshits.

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indaymen50 · « **Reply #46 on:** February 06, 2010, 03:34:09 AM »

Everyone has their own agenda so unless we get together, nothing will happen. The Republican tried now the Democrats are trying again...I don't know what else they want to do...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #47 on:** February 06, 2010, 09:09:16 AM »

now AMA is right! you sided the HCR before and now you're in your third year, you sided the AMA.

I was never for the HCR, 'te, on the contrary, in my many posts before this and in many other threads, I specifically posted my opposition on some policies enacted by the Health Insurance Companies. I am, in particular, against how some HCR lobbyists have filtered their influence into the seat of congress by bribing and 'enticing' Washington's politicians.

I believe in a free market society, but I am against corruption and using money to champion a political agenda. Corruption is corruption.

If you happen to read into articles, you will notice that AMA has time and time again opposed some policies of the Health Insurance Companies and its effect on the autonomy of the physician. AMA has championed the cause of not only the physician, but for the physicians that want to provide cheap medical care to uninsured patients, but are being contradicated by the policies set in place by the Health Insurance Companies. If Physicians violate such policies, could be, under penalty of loosing their medical license.

Trust me we understand the current situation.
That is why we are addressing the need for medical change.
We want proper change.

Completely putting the responsibilities of the physician and the medical system under the government's control will do no better. Be realistic in the situation. If this was to be implemented, we would be looking at a multi-trillion dollar annual expense. How would we be able to pay for it?

Answer: Government, will, of course, have to raise taxes. Taxes.

Someone's going to have to pay for this. If government pays, then it means a huge tax increase.

Nothing in this world is black and white. Look into the situation as I think you do not have a proper understanding of the current situation regarding the health care reform bill. And what it seeks to implement. As you have not even mentioned a single inference on any of its literature.

Cheers.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #48 on:** February 06, 2010, 09:12:28 AM »

since i came in this part of the globe, i've never seen a president in the USA who is as passionate as Obama regarding his platform of government. until now he is still going from one community forum to another, even facing his Republican opponents and engaging them in a debate, just to explain and assure the people about his well-intentioned dream for healthy America.

i am just wondering how could one face all of those emotional debates, if he is not totally convinced that his program is not a pile of bullshits.

This is beyond the topic matter, but OBAMA has completely violated many of his campaign tenents. He came into the election process promising to remove the American soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan.

On the contrary, he allowed and ushered an additional 30,000 American troops to Afghanistan.

Obama is a good talker. He's a good orator. I give him that. But in regards to the game that is Washington Politics, he is a kitten.

We have accumulated more debt in one year of his administration than the combined expenses made by the previous Bush Administration.

As we speak, The Democratic Supermajority in Congress is thinning.
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I will admit that I was taken by the OBAMA Wave earlier this year. But actions, as always, speaks louder than words.
I am not impressed with his policy making. He talks too much. Little action, too much talk.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #49 on:** February 06, 2010, 12:01:52 PM »

now AMA is right! you sided the HCR before and now you're in your third year, you sided the AMA.

Karemember bitaw ko sa laing topic nato about HCR sided si Lorenzo. Ingon pa gani ko adto I am oppose. Gisearch nako to nga particular topic nawala man.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #50 on:** February 06, 2010, 12:17:16 PM »

This is beyond the topic matter, but OBAMA has completely violated many of his campaign tenents. He came into the election process promising to remove the American soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan.

On the contrary, he allowed and ushered an additional 30,000 American troops to Afghanistan.

Obama is a good talker. He's a good orator. I give him that. But in regards to the game that is Washington Politics, he is a kitten.

We have accumulated more debt in one year of his administration than the combined expenses made by the previous Bush Administration.

As we speak, The Democratic Supermajority in Congress is thinning.
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I will admit that I was taken by the OBAMA Wave earlier this year. But actions, as always, speaks louder than words.
I am not impressed with his policy making. He talks too much. Little action, too much talk.

NO. He Will Pull Out the Troops but HE will PULL out your troops WITH YOU. He just gives you the leadership. If you won't push him to do that because all you do is rant and whine about all his promises, you'll end up getting nowhere.

You've been given the chance to prove the whole world that America can do the "impossible" like landing on the Moon; now, under his leadership, it's HCR. You've got to be more than politicians running the game; you have to be more than soldiers fighting in the ME.

as i've always pointed out: if you got the BALLS to send your soldiers to be killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, Americans should have the BALLS too to save lives of their own fellow Americans.
This is not about OBAMA. not POLITICS. this is about AMERICA!!!

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hofelina · « **Reply #51 on:** February 06, 2010, 03:42:47 PM »

In my opinion certain sectors want to make money out of this health care program of Obama. They need time to put the scheme in action, just like what they did to in Iraq, remember Halliburton.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #52 on:** February 06, 2010, 03:45:09 PM »

NO. He Will Pull Out the Troops but HE will PULL out your troops WITH YOU. He just gives you the leadership. If you won't push him to do that because you all just want to rant and whine about all his promises--that are all hard to fulfill without the support of your politicians, you'll end up getting nowhere.

You've been given the chance to prove the whole world that America can do the "impossible" like landing on the Moon; now, under his leadership, it's HCR. You've got to be more than politicians running the game; you have to be more than soldiers fighting in the ME.

as i've always pointed out: if you got the BALLS to send your soldiers to be killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, Americans should have the BALLS too to save lives of their own fellow Americans.
This is not about OBAMA. not POLITICS. this is about AMERICA!!!

jawaa! ininglis na sad!

maglagut rana si Nilo aning ininglis! hahahha!

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indaymen50 · « **Reply #53 on:** February 06, 2010, 05:15:58 PM »

Mora'g init na ang debatihay da....wa lay pinusilay ha?

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #54 on:** February 06, 2010, 05:17:15 PM »

hahahhha! pwede sabunotay ug buhok 'Day! pwede sad palo2x! hahahahha!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #55 on:** February 06, 2010, 05:27:11 PM »

In my opinion certain sectors want to make money out of this health care program of Obama. They need time to put the scheme in action, just like what they did to in Iraq, remember Halliburton.

first of all Manay ang mga insurance companies ang nag finance sa mga repubs sa ilang CAMPAIGN! ginoo!

ana ra gud na. "tabangan tika basta kanunay ang ato" style bah!!!

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hofelina · « **Reply #56 on:** February 06, 2010, 06:43:53 PM »

Tataw man jud nga nitaas ang poverty rate sa Amerika. Ang maig-an ug sakit maoy maka-pobre pag-ayo. Kining health bill kay project naman unta ni Hilary Clinton, maayo gani kay gi-follow-up ni Obama.
Ug mobakasyon jud ko, aduna koy tinapigan kon simbako masakit kay sa ospital raba down payment dayon.
Ma-o dinhi sa Germany, may ipatong pod ka sa imong bills apan maapas. Ang ospital, ambulansya ug immediate medical needs, dili kinahanglan ang down payment, busa makatolog ka ug maayo kay wala huna-hunaon simbako kon masakit.

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Ching · « **Reply #57 on:** February 06, 2010, 08:07:05 PM »

Tataw man jud nga nitaas ang poverty rate sa Amerika. Ang maig-an ug sakit maoy maka-pobre pag-ayo. Kining health bill kay project naman unta ni Hilary Clinton, maayo gani kay gi-follow-up ni Obama.
Ug mobakasyon jud ko, aduna koy tinapigan kon simbako masakit kay sa ospital raba down payment dayon.
Ma-o dinhi sa Germany, may ipatong pod ka sa imong bills apan maapas. Ang ospital, ambulansya ug immediate medical needs, dili kinahanglan ang down payment, busa makatolog ka ug maayo kay wala huna-hunaon simbako kon masakit.

Tinuod na Manay "life is full of surprises, good or bad" so just has to be ready because sometimes times are cruel, you are in your productive years but sometimes it can change suddenly & unexpected. talking thru expereince.
"we work so hard to make money but sometimes money is lost because you become ill"

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hofelina · « **Reply #58 on:** February 06, 2010, 09:12:58 PM »

Ching, simbako kining madisgrasya sa sakyanan, sunog o tulis. Pag-abot sa ospital pangayo-an man ka dayon ug health card or insurance.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 06, 2010, 10:59:53 PM »

jawaa! ininglis na sad!

maglagut rana si Nilo aning ininglis! hahahha!

may lag wa to molili diri kay pabalikon unya tag schooling. whahahaha.

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Ching · « **Reply #60 on:** February 07, 2010, 06:36:31 AM »

Ching, simbako kining madisgrasya sa sakyanan, sunog o tulis. Pag-abot sa ospital pangayo-an man ka dayon ug health card or insurance.

Tinuod na, Manay....

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indaymen50 · « **Reply #61 on:** February 08, 2010, 03:02:33 AM »

Mao bitaw nga kinahanglan jod nga mag-full time jod sa tarbajo aron ang insurance completo simbako kon magkinahanglan ta ug patambal.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #62 on:** February 08, 2010, 03:41:53 AM »

Mao bitaw nga kinahanglan jod nga mag-full time jod sa tarbajo aron ang insurance completo simbako kon magkinahanglan ta ug patambal.

Very Good Indaymen. Di na raman jud ta magsalig sa mga Bill bills nga ipangpasa ato ani hala trabaho samtang kusgan pa aron ug di na molahotay ang lawas at least naa tay sandingan ang atong gibayran nga insurance. Di man jud ni magkadaug ning lalisa kay usa gusto unja naa poy kontragusto.Bayad jud ta samtang kaya pa. Di man nuon pud ta magmahay sa atong serbisyo nadawat diri. Excellent man kaayo ila serbisyo.Ug matiguwang na unja ta puhon magpahayahay nalang unya ta sa atong pension hehhehe.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #63 on:** February 08, 2010, 04:25:13 AM »

Tataw man jud nga nitaas ang poverty rate sa Amerika. Ang maig-an ug sakit maoy maka-pobre pag-ayo. Kining health bill kay project naman unta ni Hilary Clinton, maayo gani kay gi-follow-up ni Obama.
Ug mobakasyon jud ko, aduna koy tinapigan kon simbako masakit kay sa ospital raba down payment dayon.
Ma-o dinhi sa Germany, may ipatong pod ka sa imong bills apan maapas. Ang ospital, ambulansya ug immediate medical needs, dili kinahanglan ang down payment, busa makatolog ka ug maayo kay wala huna-hunaon simbako kon masakit.

Here in the United States we do not process any downpayment ; nor is there a downpayment requirement for a medical emergency. If an individual does not have health insurance and is suffering from chest pains and is rushed to the hospital (can be a 1st tier to a 4th tier hospital), he or she will be triaged and then treated by the attending physician and assessed immediately.

The policy for medical emergency situations is treat now; bill later.

The amount a patient has to pay aside from co-pay depends on the health insurance provider the said patient has; and the percent the health insurance provider is willing to cover as said and agreed upon in the contract. Amount of coverage will vary.

For foreign travelers to the United States, you should be provided if you purchase Traveler's Insurance, which should be accepted and recognized by most American Hospital Systems.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #64 on:** February 08, 2010, 04:35:23 AM »

There are numerous Free-Health Clinics in around the United States, which are run through private funds and are supported by kind donations from every day citizens. Providing free medical care to those who are homeless and or unable to shoulder the costs of a standard health insurance coverage.

I and many of my colleagues are part of the AMSA (American Medical Students' Association) Health Reform Body. We are fighting (through proper litigation) for a reform of how Health Insurance Companies provide health options and to change the unfair policies it implements in reimbursing the medical staff.

Health insurance Companies consume a lions' share of all medical costs. There are many other agencies that want reform to the unfair practices of medical reimbursement, such agencies include :

A.M.A (American Medical Association)
A.N.A (American Nurses' Association)
A.A.A.P (American Academy of Physician Assistants)
A.P.T.A (American Physical Therapists' Association)

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Ching · « **Reply #65 on:** February 08, 2010, 05:05:49 AM »

Tataw man jud nga nitaas ang poverty rate sa Amerika. Ang maig-an ug sakit maoy maka-pobre pag-ayo. Kining health bill kay project naman unta ni Hilary Clinton, maayo gani kay gi-follow-up ni Obama.
Ug mobakasyon jud ko, aduna koy tinapigan kon simbako masakit kay sa ospital raba down payment dayon.
Ma-o dinhi sa Germany, may ipatong pod ka sa imong bills apan maapas. Ang ospital, ambulansya ug immediate medical needs, dili kinahanglan ang down payment, busa makatolog ka ug maayo kay wala huna-hunaon simbako kon masakit.

deri hinoon sa belgium, pangitaan ka sa imong insurance and they will send you the bill later. usahay matinga kon kanus-a to kay di man pod dajodajon nila ipada, tan-awon na laman naho kon kanus-a ang date kay naklimot na ko

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indaymen50 · « **Reply #66 on:** February 08, 2010, 09:32:28 PM »

Ang imong medical bills diri, mahimo nga imong bayaran ug hinay-hinay kon pila ray ma-afford nimo kada buwan..

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Ching · « **Reply #67 on:** February 09, 2010, 02:53:34 AM »

Ang imong medical bills diri, mahimo nga imong bayaran ug hinay-hinay kon pila ray ma-afford nimo kada buwan..

actually wa ko kasuway ana kay kon mong-abot na ang bill gikuhaan na man sa health insurance, kadto rang wa na macover. so wa ko kasuway pa ug installment kay di man pod daku.

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hofelina · « **Reply #68 on:** March 22, 2010, 03:33:45 PM »

House passes health care bill on 219-212 voteBy Alan Silverleib, CNN
March 22, 2010 2:55 a.m. EDT

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama won a historic victory in the struggle for health care reform Sunday as the House of Representatives passed a sweeping bill overhauling the American medical system.

Most Americans will now be required to have health insurance or pay a fine. Larger employers will be required to provide coverage or risk financial penalties. Total individual out-of-pocket expenses will be capped, and insurers will be barred from denying coverage based on gender or pre-existing conditions.

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congratulations America, a new start is always difficult but it serves the majority.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #69 on:** March 22, 2010, 10:21:38 PM »

House passes health care bill on 219-212 voteBy Alan Silverleib, CNN
March 22, 2010 2:55 a.m. EDT

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama won a historic victory in the struggle for health care reform Sunday as the House of Representatives passed a sweeping bill overhauling the American medical system.

Most Americans will now be required to have health insurance or pay a fine. Larger employers will be required to provide coverage or risk financial penalties. Total individual out-of-pocket expenses will be capped, and insurers will be barred from denying coverage based on gender or pre-existing conditions.

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congratulations America, a new start is always difficult but it serves the majority.

Thank you Manay sa pagpakabana bisan man tuod anaa ka sa Alemanya.

the news really has made me so happy. It's about time.

Love you Manay!

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hofelina · « **Reply #70 on:** March 23, 2010, 06:48:09 AM »

Yes he can!
I simply admire the magnanimity of America and its constituents, motabang bisan asa, donations in different forms, makig away sa laing nasud aron mahatag ang freedom.
But look, there is an evident rise of poverty in this country and medical care is one of the basic needs of each and everyone.
Obamas persistence did paid.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #71 on:** March 23, 2010, 07:28:08 AM »

Yes he can!
I simply admire the magnanimity of America and its constituents, motabang bisan asa, donations in different forms, makig away sa laing nasud aron mahatag ang freedom.
But look, there is an evident rise of poverty in this country and medical care is one of the basic needs of each and everyone.
Obamas persistence did paid.

tinuod Manay noh? plus sa mga biay biay kay sija itomon man lagi? I felt so sorry for him but despite all those he was still so gracious to each side of politics. These people who wanted him to fail, murag nag panic attack na jud ug samot!

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hofelina · « **Reply #72 on:** March 23, 2010, 07:56:48 AM »

I think he has to persevere to prove that he truly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He was also gracious to divide the money to different social institutions and also to Haiti earthquake victims.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #73 on:** March 24, 2010, 12:39:54 AM »

PASSIONATE person that he truly is.

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hofelina · « **Reply #74 on:** March 24, 2010, 07:36:47 AM »

I will ask Michelle.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #75 on:** March 24, 2010, 07:45:39 AM »

I will ask Michelle.

hey! what do you want to know? are you interested in his performance not only managing the country but in the bedroom as well? ahahhaha!

Manay paminawa na si Wanda Sykes kay naa na sha comedia bahin ana! hahahha!

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alycxs · « **Reply #76 on:** March 30, 2010, 01:50:40 AM »

Unsa bitaw nakuha nila anang adto adto sa buwan ug sa space hehehhe murag gagasto gasto ra bitaw ni. Naa pay gira nga way kahumanan.

Quel, daghan bya ta mga daily conveniences because of the research that NASA has done. Dli lang anang adto2 ug moon pero ang mga equipment and gadgets which is making our lives easier.

i've read an article before pero wla nako kibaw asa to. Think about Tang...the juice. originally for astronauts. Naa pa daghan things that you wouldn't think of. Dili ra bya pure study and research nang NASA for worthless stuff. Naa sad daghan nahimo we jud take those things for granted.

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alycxs · « **Reply #77 on:** March 30, 2010, 01:58:40 AM »

You have a point Lorenzo but think about those that can't afford what you can because you are a doctor...

We also have to think, where is the money coming from ? From us taxpayers of course. That's life. It may be cruel and mean to say it, but we can't save everybody.

I would love to send all my relatives in Bohol to school, but I can't afford it. I wish I could feed and clothe all of my poorer relations but I can't.

We all can relate to this because in our families we have poorer cousins and richer cousins. We try to help as much as we could but we still can't help everybody.

Furthermore, we also have cousins who don't help themselves. Alangan naman ikaw maningkamot para nila.

Its thesame thing. There are a bunch of people in the US who opt not to have insurance. Mao gud puy ila by choice. There are also a bunch who cannot afford because they chose not to afford.

Example : We have a rental house that we are renting to this family. They are late a lot of months and there was a time that they were 3 weeks late so we went to give them an eviction notice. Come to find out, they have 3 flat screen TVs, high end furniture, etc....hmmm....talk about priorities. Would we be expected to save them ? NO WAY ! that is their problem...

Preha ra sad ni sa uban natong mga ig-agaw sa ato. Inig uli, sige pangayo, pamaylo ug uban pa...pagando-ando pa adto, molakaw murag Christmas tree kay nangumbabit ang alahas. Bisan ang 10 yo nga anak naay latest Nokia cellfon...unya magpatabang ug gasto skwela ?

In the US, there is no shortage of those kinds of people too. Dli ra limited sa pilipinas ang mga Juan Tamad mao na problema. Ang mga nangikayod ug naningkamot, mao hinuon pagastohon sa mga nagtinapol.

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alycxs · « **Reply #78 on:** March 30, 2010, 02:04:19 AM »

In my opinion, European medical doctors are willing to work outside their area, that means "Doctors without borders" are mostly Europeans. This altruistic attitude is developed since they see it here in Europe the benefits of cheap medical treatment, in comparison to some third world countries.
Some German doctors and the like go to our country to serve some areas like Mindanao (medical mission) and spent their holidays there. Manambal sila for 2 weeks dayon bakasyon 1 week ni-anang lugara.
There is a best surgeon in London who works in African countries during summertime to operate on legs and limbs maimed by mines. This Cambridged educated doctor collects some donations from his very rich patients and buys prothese for his African project.
German-Fil friendship organizations, sends medicines and medical tools to Luzon especially in Cordillera province.
I think Mdb is right,dinhi ang mga tawo dali ra nimo mapangayuan kon bahin sa hinabang labi na ang Germany kay nakatilaw sila ug giyera, they start from the scratch, they know what poverty is really like.
Lorenzo, this is my experience here, I donÂ´t know how the American counterparts do their share of loving their neighbors.

There has been quiet a few US medical missions too. My Aunts in Tangub hosted a group for a few years in a row. Sila tanan mga puti, nag mission ra gud pud and dala books, crayons and pencils for the children.

Also, there has been a medical mission in Tagbilaran for the past 2 years that are from the US too. Kanang Botika sa Katawhan diri sa Tagbilaran, solicited from and donated by generous donors from the US man sad. I think naa sad sagol from other countries pero kadaghanan from US

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alycxs · « **Reply #79 on:** March 30, 2010, 02:11:14 AM »

since i came in this part of the globe, i've never seen a president in the USA who is as passionate as Obama regarding his platform of government. until now he is still going from one community forum to another, even facing his Republican opponents and engaging them in a debate, just to explain and assure the people about his well-intentioned dream for healthy America.

i am just wondering how could one face all of those emotional debates, if he is not totally convinced that his program is not a pile of bullshits.

hehehehe ! ako ra sad ni ha.

I think Obama is still campaigning. He's very good at it, but I think he is doing a piss poor job at being president. From the Rasmussen polls, his popularity has taken quite a dive.

It still is a democracy and when a lot of people protest against a bill, no matter how passionate you are, you should take that into consideration.

I think what they've done is just shove it down everybody's throat regardless if you want it or not.

I can be passionate about some things...it doesn't mean its right or its not b***, but I can be passionate...ang mga bayoooottt ilansang sa crus !!! waaa...just kidding. :-)

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