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Re: Filipino-ness? Or American-ness? Identity in question
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 11:52:18 AM »
Dong Enzo, thanks for sharing this video!  I didn't even know there's a conflict between the Tagalog-speaking Pinoys and the "Americanized" Pinoys.  It's sad that there's this argument to prove our Filipino-ness or Fil-American-ness! We are all the same people.  However, I still agree that Fil-Ams should make an effort to at least learn the language.  I like that sense of Bayanihan.  We, Pinoys, should not let a lot of good cultural distinctions be extinct even if we are not in our own country. 

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2007, 12:23:25 AM »
And besides, the ability to speak fluent Bisayan/Tagalog is not a true measure of a person's 'filipino-ness'...

You're right, Ms Grazie...it's sad that there's even an argument about this...

Sa CA, I heard a lot about this 'oreo' thing...a friend of mine (fil-am) got hurt when he was accused of being an 'oreo' (brown on the outside, white on the inside) by another pinoy...just because my friend's Tagalog vocabulary is limited.



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Re: Filipino-ness? Or American-ness? Identity in question
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2007, 03:54:53 AM »
Yes I truly agree. However this phenomenon is happening specially for college students who are of Filipino ethnic origin, where we were are raised in the United States, acclimated to the social norms of being an American, yet wanting to learn more about our Philippine Fatherland. The yearning to get 'in-touch' with our cultural and racial roots. Its something that I'm too familiar with, specially here in campus. There are Filipinos in college who were born in the Philippines, such as myself, and retain a very thick Filipino-accent and speak it fluently, however, there are other Filipinos who were born in the 'states, and are totally Americanized. I know alot of them that don't even wish to recognize their Filipino roots, or detest being asked about their Filipino roots. There is a fear, specially in the Filipino-American community, of being considered and or type casted as a 'FOB', as there are negative qualities that are correlated with fob-ism, such as a thick accent, old mentality, cultural conservativeness, and the belief of being 'Un-American.'

Filipino-Americans need to remember their roots, and Filipinos need to keep an open mind as well. As in the long run, being Filipino doesnt mean having to wear chinelas, speaking tagalog or bisaya, or retaining some kind of behavioral mannerisms. These are all part of the things Filipinos in the Philippines practice or manifest, but it does not define our nationality, our race.

I personally dont like it how some Filipinos type cast Fil-Am youth as being 'too americanized' or 'too lacking of Bayanihan' because that is simply not true. I remember going to one of my mom's friends parties and greeting her friends with the proverbial mano-po. And I could distinctly remember overhearing one of my mom's friends's husband talking to my dad about 'too much Americanization'. He looked at me and tried to talk to me in English (thinking that I didn't understand Bisaya) but I answered back to him in thick-pure-Bol-anon. Its true that many of our Fil-Am youths are forgetting their roots, and their language, but the older generation should take a positive stance and teach the language (whether its tagalog or bisaya) and instill in our youth of 'Filipina Patriatisimo' or 'Philippine Patriotism'. Not all Fil-Ams want to abandon our roots, many long for it.

In my college alone, we have alot of Filipinos who talk about the culture, and yearning to go back to the "Fatherland". What is also very interesting is that how Filipinos in the Philippines refer to the Philippines as 'Motherland' but most Fil-Ams here refer to the Philippines as the 'Fatherland'. Interesting....diba?

Thats my take on things. This video is shedding light on what really is going on...

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Re: Filipino-ness? Or American-ness? Identity in question
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2007, 05:14:46 AM »
Its so sad to hear about Filipinos abroad that doesn't want to acknowledge their roots and where their ancestors came from.

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2007, 05:21:37 AM »
It is very sad, as many are too quick to adopt the American way of life and take up American culture instead of the culture of their fathers and mothers. It is a shame....but it is typical when regarding the greater force that is 'Americanization'.

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2007, 10:11:57 AM »
It is very sad, as many are too quick to adopt the American way of life and take up American culture instead of the culture of their fathers and mothers. It is a shame....but it is typical when regarding the greater force that is 'Americanization'.

Hi Pare,

Thanks for the great video.

Is that really true that here in America daghan na kaajong "Hambugueros Filipinos"? Ijahay na lang ug kompetensyahan? Wa nay tinabangay?  It is sad that we are known to be the "HF" type. Could be the reason that....nakurat sa kahayahay kay gakigan man sa kapobrehon?  I just heard about this a Filipina neighbor before who has a relatives over there.

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Re: Filipino-ness? Or American-ness? Identity in question
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2007, 10:52:09 AM »
^Miss Bambi, I know your question was directed at Dong Bran,

pero mo answer lang ko'g gamay hehehe

based sa akong experience sa CA, I really felt that 'bayanihan' feeling,

I honestly couldn't have survived my first few months in a new country

without kind Pinoys taking me under the wing, and just showing me that unique brand of Pinoy kindness...

I met a lot of kind-hearted Pinoys jud,

ug kanang mga hambugero, naa man jud na,

but they're a minority...



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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2007, 11:24:07 AM »
Ms. Bambi, I agree with Ms. C2.  Yes, there are also HF, as you call it but just minorities.  I remember I attended a school even of Smiffytheninja and I happend to share table with two other Filipinas.  I really smiled and said Komusta to them, but they just raised their eyebrows to me then I heard them talking Tagalog. Oh well, I wasn't good enough for them but that's ok.  We have lots of Filipino friends and just like the people in TB, we all have fun together whenever we have party at my Aunt's.  Mao lang lagi, banhaan kaayo sige'g pangatawa tapos kantahan blues!  When I still new here, I also met a Filipina woman in the church.  I supposed she must have had seen me walk to my way home.  She approached me and offered me a ride.  I told her I was actually doing a little exercise.  She had such a welcoming smile.  Up to now, every Sunday when I see her in church, we give each other a hug.

My aunt, when she was new here too, she had no other family but her husband.  Then she met Filipino people in the mall and in the church and they became friends and helped my aunt to raise Smiffytheninja.  When my aunt had to go somewhere where she couldn't take a baby, her friends were there to take care of her baby.  That's Filipino Bayanihan to me.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2007, 12:33:17 AM »
I thank you both (C2 and Grazie) for the informative elaboration.  I know, it is just a human kind of attitudes no matter which nationalities he/she is. To tell you both, I am allergic of this "HF" types.....we had also a lot here. It took me to be home 6 years after arrival in the land which the other called paradise, must have first to earn myself for the first flight with my son (I had to bear some comments from other Pinays who were luckily got a jackpot being married to a generous/rich German men)....."you been too long here unja wa pa gjod ka kauli grabe!", wa pa kay Auto?....similar to this!......I had just answered, "ug molingkod na gani kos aroplano kanang ahong kaugalingong tuwad".  Eversince, I avoided getting contact with those HF's.

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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2007, 02:04:30 AM »
MiSs Bambi,

naka experience pud ko ana dire,

ang nakasakit lang, I've had several friends that now I'm not as close to anymore,

kay na change sila,

sukad pag abot sa Amerika, materialistic na kaayo,

and all they want to talk about is how much they earn, what fabulous place they went to for their vacation, how expensive their cars are etc etc...

pretty much superficial kaayo...

so I don't get in touch with them anymore,

they still call me pero dili nako tubagon,

hahaha

I'm bad that way, but I don't want to pretend to wanna talk to a person I don't wanna talk to...

 ;)

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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2007, 02:43:44 AM »
you can adopt new culture but dont forget your own...

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2007, 07:36:18 AM »
Hi Pare,

Thanks for the great video.

Is that really true that here in America daghan na kaajong "Hambugueros Filipinos"? Ijahay na lang ug kompetensyahan? Wa nay tinabangay?  It is sad that we are known to be the "HF" type. Could be the reason that....nakurat sa kahayahay kay gakigan man sa kapobrehon?  I just heard about this a Filipina neighbor before who has a relatives over there.

Pretty much, 'te Ethyl explained it perfectly. Filipinos here in America change not because they are bad people, but they are pressured to compete with other Americans. Here in the United States, there is a huge force to compete with each other; where the manifestation of social darwinism is observed. There is a belief that the more you make, the higher you are in the work force, the better you are as compared to others. In the United States, theres a colloquial saying that we all share , 'its a doggy dog world' which means you have to defend yourself.

Filipinos are so pressured to prove themselves to white-Americans, black-Americans etc that whenever they see another fellow Filipino, they sometimes want to show off their feats and success to experience some kind of self gratification. Such is typical of not only Filipino-Americans, but of most Asian-Americans and other immigrant Americans. The same can be said about Indian-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Korean-Americans, Mexican-Americans, etc.

Is it the same in Germany? and other European countries?

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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2007, 08:15:41 AM »
MiSs Bambi,

naka experience pud ko ana dire,

ang nakasakit lang, I've had several friends that now I'm not as close to anymore,

kay na change sila,

sukad pag abot sa Amerika, materialistic na kaayo,

and all they want to talk about is how much they earn, what fabulous place they went to for their vacation, how expensive their cars are etc etc...

pretty much superficial kaayo...

so I don't get in touch with them anymore,

they still call me pero dili nako tubagon,

hahaha

I'm bad that way, but I don't want to pretend to wanna talk to a person I don't wanna talk to...

 ;)
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I do the same thing too.....since a long period of time I cut-off contacts with some of those. Got no time anyway.... One had often called to inform  me who died and/or someone I know whose husband death for burial purposes and that is enough for me.  Sorry to say, that one good Fil. friend just died last Nov. 2006. But I have few good trusted circle of acquaintances (Germans and few Pinays who are residing quite far, we will see only once or twice a year and chat through phone when really very emergency and important things and
that's it. Most of those Pinays are not engaged to any art of occupations and/or any activities to make their life busy.

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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2007, 09:11:56 AM »
Hello Pare,

Thanks for the answer in regards to my questions in which C2H4 and Grazie had given me the exact explanation through their richly life encounters over there.

Well, other Europian countries, I am not aware about it.  Here in Germany, we are also much pressured by way of work competition that if you are employed to any establishments.  But the problem is, it is mostly those who are not engaged into any activities got more time attending not their own business. As what I had narrated, it is just a human kind of attitudes regardless of his/her nationalities "HF" types or not.

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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2007, 01:36:36 PM »
They call it culture shocked!...

I saw a lot of Flips (as i call it) in Cali nga mga blond kaajo ang mga mata pero intawon ang hitsura :-[

Kanang Pinoy who dont want to be recognized as Pinoy, all I can say bulok na sila, you know why? (mediocre children of very hard working parents, and mostly tagalogs, )

i have an american Forum who praised the Filipino talents so very much... ang pinoy kuno are very bright...

it only happen nga we belong to a bad government but still we have a beautiful country kuno...

Bayat, ang mga hambugeros are the people who are silingan sa Pinas... OMG, ang compettition nila incomparable!

and it goes through the next generation, mao nga nahimo ang flip-ness/ fil-amness...

mabasahan ta sa Shuwakimz ani mo pakpak gyud to...which is true... i cant blame her for these...

C2 i also have friends who became very materialistic...i dont associate with them anymore...hassle and stressfull!

i live my life as simple as i could, bahala na sila...




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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2007, 01:41:58 PM »
Makaguol baya Ms BeLLe,

kay dili man sila ing-ana adtong sa Pinas pa mi,

pero karon na usab na jud,

taas na kaayo manulti...

unya dili ko ganahan ing-ana,

kay pare pareho ra ta tanan mga tawo oi,

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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2007, 01:45:56 PM »
Di man ko gyud ko bilib ana Thyl...

kay kajud man jud diri sa Merika, as in...

ug mahimo ilang ngalan nga GATES morag mo saludo pa ko...

pero ug dili, wa lang japun...

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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2007, 02:38:30 PM »
They call it culture shocked!...

I saw a lot of Flips (as i call it) in Cali nga mga blond kaajo ang mga mata pero intawon ang hitsura :-[

Kanang Pinoy who dont want to be recognized as Pinoy, all I can say bulok na sila, you know why? (mediocre children of very hard working parents, and mostly tagalogs, )

i have an american Forum who praised the Filipino talents so very much... ang pinoy kuno are very bright...

it only happen nga we belong to a bad government but still we have a beautiful country kuno...

Bayat, ang mga hambugeros are the people who are silingan sa Pinas... OMG, ang compettition nila incomparable!

and it goes through the next generation, mao nga nahimo ang flip-ness/ fil-amness...

mabasahan ta sa Shuwakimz ani mo pakpak gyud to...which is true... i cant blame her for these...

C2 i also have friends who became very materialistic...i dont associate with them anymore...hassle and stressfull!

i live my life as simple as i could, bahala na sila...




Amen! Amen!
I cant begin to count how many times my professors ask if I'm a Filipino because apparently most of the Filipino students they had that were research assistants were 'above par' and 'extremely diligent' in work. I am unworthy of such praise, but it does say alot when your own professors tell you about Filipino college students who retain this tradition of excellence.

Lets not be embarrassed of our roots, instead, let us be proud of who we are and where we come from!

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« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2007, 07:34:00 PM »
asus..adah oroy mano nga mausab man???
bisan asa kita ilagpot sa kapalaran...atong dugo Pinoy gihapon...

pwede kang mo adjust sa kostombre sa lugar nga imong gipoy-an
apan mopatigbabaw gihapon ang akong pagkaPinoy nop...?

sa mga Pinay dre nga morag gisilawan na sa luxus kono ...
living in Europe..dli kaau ko makig kokabildo ky ako...simple ra gyud
dli ko maka join nila ky busy man ko paningkakay sa buhay...

i am contented in every little things i have...

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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2007, 09:35:24 PM »
That's good Blue and i havent encountered a Boholani-ness so far... puro mga buotan sila tanan...I dont know in some other places...pero buotan gyud ang Bol-anon...

Dodong, that is why bow gyud ko nimo kay you are very fluent sa Bisaya when i talked to you over the phone...
kepp it up Dodong...show your light all the time...

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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2007, 11:49:53 PM »
 "In the farm of this world you shall reap what you cultivate."
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