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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #200 on: February 20, 2011, 09:24:56 AM »
1 Corinthians chapter 6


15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not!
16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.


Hurting one's self, killing one's self is an affront of the Holy Spirit.
Our Bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #201 on: February 20, 2011, 10:37:04 AM »
Sakto kaayo ka Bran nga giplano gyud ni Reyes ni iyang pag hikog kay nakasulat pa siya unya didto gyud niya gipili sa lubong sa iyang mama ang iya pakamatyan unlike sa mga naay postpartum ug ubang mental illness nga wala nay control sa ilang mind. Pareha sa among niece nga she was taking antidepressant unya naghikog gyud nuon ug pareha sa cousin sa akong bana nagpusil pud siya sa iya kaugalingon tungod sa postpartum.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #202 on: February 20, 2011, 10:46:40 AM »
But how do we know what happen between the person soul and God before they depart from this life. We still have no way to judge what's going on. Only God know's what happen to Angelo Reyes.
As I have said before nga who know's before siya nawad an ug kinabuhi nakapangayo pa siya ug pasaylo sa Ginoo. Yes tinuod iyang giplano iyang suicide but dili gihapon ta ka judge nga tua na siya sa hell kay ang Ginoo ray nasayod sa tanan.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #203 on: February 20, 2011, 04:58:57 PM »
Raqs, I got moody blues after the birth of my kids. Knowing that my body is trying to adjust with new hormones coming in and out as what Lorenzo explained in his medical parlance.
If you are a true believer in God, there is a conflict. You want to end all and at the same time you pray not to succumb to this temptation. I think I was lucky to have had jesuit confessor who have given me spiritual advices when trying times like this happens.
I was devastated a few months ago, learning that a good friend of mine in Davao City with 5 kids, an alcoholic husband who left her for a younger woman and also found out that her 15 year old daughter is pregnant, commited suicide by hanging herself in front of her kids. Traumatized ang mga bata, ang akong pangutana nganong walay nakatambag or nakatabang?

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #204 on: February 20, 2011, 09:25:17 PM »
Sakto kaayo ka Bran nga giplano gyud ni Reyes ni iyang pag hikog kay nakasulat pa siya unya didto gyud niya gipili sa lubong sa iyang mama ang iya pakamatyan unlike sa mga naay postpartum ug ubang mental illness nga wala nay control sa ilang mind. Pareha sa among niece nga she was taking antidepressant unya naghikog gyud nuon ug pareha sa cousin sa akong bana nagpusil pud siya sa iya kaugalingon tungod sa postpartum.

Raquel,

During my clinical rounds sa hospital, I have seen and treated patients that are suicidal, attempted suicide. I've had a patient who was admitted to the ER because he took all of his father's metformin pills (all 100 or so pills), he was rushed to the ER and our staff intubated him with charcoal. luckily he was stabilized. The patient was young, no more than 20 years. I took his H&P , and even gave him a mental exam. Everything checked out, there was no signs of altered mental status. These are what we call chronic suicidal types. They have a history of suicidal tendencies, and will try multiple times until they do end up killing themselves. Patients like him have complete control. Their frame of mind is there, they know what they are doing, but they are doing / attempting it anyways.

Then we have patients who have paranoid schizophrenia, acute manic depression, anxiety attack with manic psychosis. Patients like these are known to hurt themselves because they have a severely altered mental status. Many of them are unable to differentiate what is real and unreal. Many of them hear voices, see things, experience delusions, fictional persecutory syndromes , which manifests because of their manic psychosis. Many of them end up killing themselves by drowning, shooting themselves, even hanging themselves because of a severely altered mental status. They have no control, they have already lost sense of reality.

As for your cousins. It could have been possible that their post partum blues led to an acute mental status change, and outright manic episode, possibly even brief schizotypal psychosis.

I am very sorry that you had to experience this.



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #205 on: February 20, 2011, 09:29:31 PM »
Raqs, I got moody blues after the birth of my kids. Knowing that my body is trying to adjust with new hormones coming in and out as what Lorenzo explained in his medical parlance.
If you are a true believer in God, there is a conflict. You want to end all and at the same time you pray not to succumb to this temptation. I think I was lucky to have had jesuit confessor who have given me spiritual advices when trying times like this happens.
I was devastated a few months ago, learning that a good friend of mine in Davao City with 5 kids, an alcoholic husband who left her for a younger woman and also found out that her 15 year old daughter is pregnant, commited suicide by hanging herself in front of her kids. Traumatized ang mga bata, ang akong pangutana nganong walay nakatambag or nakatabang?

Manang Tess,

Please accept my condolences to your friend who recently passed. I do hope that her family , her children, and friends find strength through such difficult moments. May God surround them with His all-encompassing Love and Strength in such difficult times.

 

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #206 on: February 20, 2011, 09:46:17 PM »
But how do we know what happen between the person soul and God before they depart from this life. We still have no way to judge what's going on. Only God know's what happen to Angelo Reyes.
As I have said before nga who know's before siya nawad an ug kinabuhi nakapangayo pa siya ug pasaylo sa Ginoo. Yes tinuod iyang giplano iyang suicide but dili gihapon ta ka judge nga tua na siya sa hell kay ang Ginoo ray nasayod sa tanan.

Raquel,

We can trust in the Righteousness of God's Judgments and in His all-knowing nature. To Him there is no hiding anything, no sin that is hidden, no feigning innocence. God The Father had already condemned the World after the fall of Man. Through His mercy and Loving nature, he gave us , undeserving children, a chance of possible salvation. Through no merit of our own, but through His Mercy, He sent His Only son, Jesus Christ Lord, into the world. So that those who choose Him, and believeth in Jesus Christ will not see death but see Life.

Sometimes, there are actions, that are the antithesis of God's Love and Mercy.

God Bless all of us. So that we may be strong in this life and worthy of the Promises of Christ in the world to come.
We all must fight. Fight the Good Fight and not despair when life throws us challenges and difficulties.

There is a verse from Acts Chapter 14, Verse 22 that I would like to share with you:
Strengthening the disciples and encouraging them to remain true to the faith. "We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God," they said.

As well as from Philippians Chapter 1 Verse 29:
For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for Him.

The point that I'm trying to make here, my dearest, is that to suffer and experience hardships in life, as cruel as may be, is a blessing. As they say, Gold is only purified in fire. So too is our faith. Faith is purified, tested, and strengthened only through difficulty. They are not meant to crush us to the point of despair and our surrender in life. No, it is meant to give us a spirit of strength, and a powerful faith in Jesus Christ's presence , unmovable presence in our lives. We , as Christians, are to fight the good fight. And to never surrender.

Remember our patriarch, Peter, Christ's 1st apostle and 1st Pope of the Church. He never stopped doing what he had to do, even when all was dim. He was arrested and condemned to death in Rome for the crime of preaching Christ's Good News to the Romans. Did you know what he did while the Romans were crucifying him? Aside from suffering, he was nailed to the cross, but he was also Preaching. He did not stop preaching to the Romans, even as the guards were crucifying him upside down, he was preaching to them. Telling them to repent of their sins. Until the last drop of blood and his last breath was taken from his old, beaten down body, until his spirit was called back to The Lord.

His life is an example of Fighting The Good Fight. Not giving up. We suffer here in Earth for Christ, so that we may be worthy of His Promises in Heaven.

So suffering should be accepted. Not evaded.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #207 on: February 20, 2011, 10:58:41 PM »
The best example of that was when the jews were to condemn and stone Mary Magdelene for her crimes of adultery. Christ reminded them that none of them were born without sin.

obviously, christ did not consign mary magdalene to hell.  as we believe in divine mercy, so must we not consign angelo reyes to hell.

However, in the case of Reyes, the reiteration of Revelations and the verse from John is important. My emphasis is the reiteration of said verses, not condemnation. One can only pray for the mercy of God's judgement. But His judgment is impeccable and just.

it looks like you have changed your mind along with a change of heart, after this:  Suicide is an unpardonable Sin. His soul is now burning in eternal fires of hell. (lorenzo's judgment)

yes, his judgment is impeccable and just, thank you.

Revelation is literal. The verse from Revelation tells us whom GOD will not allow to enter into His Kingdom.

what the...!@#?  heavens, don't you dare expect the four horsemen of the apocalypse astride arabian horses to stop at your front yard and come knocking at your door.

 

The other, an unrepentant murderer. The latter did not join the Lord into Paradise.

Judas Iscariot, hung himself. His was a suicide. Guilt.

suddenly, one is a murderer when they were supposed to be two thieves?  i hope though that you are not sure that he and judas are in hell.


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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #208 on: February 20, 2011, 11:07:25 PM »
It was only recently that the Catholic Church implemented ammendments on suicides. But before these ammendments, Pre-Vatican II thought was constant in the teaching that suicides were destined to perdition.

so here it is.  ergo, one just can't choose between vatican I and vatican II just so one can insist in making right a careless slip one had made.  besides, we have to be aware of aggiornamento.



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #209 on: February 20, 2011, 11:15:51 PM »
All we need is for you to admit that Fr. Chic is right and you are wrong. Just that simple. Can't you do that?

it seems to me like he has, by quoting biblical passages, like casting pearls to swine. ;D



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #210 on: February 20, 2011, 11:23:54 PM »
To all whom I may have indirectly offended, or hurt in this thread, please know that it was not deliberate, nor intentional. But meant to state a point on accountability.

Please know there are no hard feelings. We are all exchanging ideas and thoughts. Despite the differences (just keep it civil lang sometimes, not under the belt punching. lol)  :P

Love You All,
Bran Lorenz.

in any case, i admire your energy and grace under pressure (you're unsinkable!), if not your ideas.





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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #211 on: February 20, 2011, 11:32:26 PM »
A lot of times, Nong. Kinsa man dili ma sayop? Tsk.

There are plenty of times here that i recognize my correction.

Ang issue ani, is that one should not pick on people , or poking fun of people.

Basing on one's supposed 'intellectual' pretension, should not be the reason for poking on one's traits.

Dili baja na maayo, Nong.

Ikaw man tigulang, you are supposed to know this and apply it, more than myself, who am much your junior in age.


there, there.  tigulang na diay ka bai hubs?  tigulang na ba pod si imong igzu nga si bugsay?  well, then, maybe the supposed junior in age is simply acting his age, like insisting on some stand on delicate matters that may need a lifetime to ponder on, such as who goes to hell and who doesn't? ;D





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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #212 on: February 20, 2011, 11:35:41 PM »
Ssssh. Pasanginlan na sad ko ay. I don't claim to be somebody (maybe a some "body" for I never stop to expand) nor a nobody. I'm ChicogoN. No more, no less. Who started this Fr. Chic?  :P

an inspired choice, chosen hands down.  lisod kun fr cogon or fr cogs.  never gyod kong mogamit sa latter in case.  nose-related ra kaayo. ;D



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #213 on: February 21, 2011, 12:12:51 AM »
this is just one of those dispassionate articles written by one person who may have his own biases.  i personally never take hook, line and sinker anything i read.  it always helps to cross-reference otherwise, one person's bias could rub off on me.

It is just lately when Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago regarded the AFP's retired Secretary General Angelo Reyes as "a dead man walking", because of his involvement in the recently unveiled corruption in AFP funds. Today, people are staggered upon hearing the news telling that Angelo Reyes is dead. He is dead not because he was killed but rather he committed suicide.

she also called him "one-celled amoeba".  she's been brashly calling different government functionaries different names, like "fungus-faced" and "idiots".  what have these got to do with investigations in aid of legislation?  i can imagine that if this senator (happily, already in her third and last term), in the unlikely event that she gets to set her rifle sights on you, will happily call you a "rabies virus" or something.  such name-calling used to entertain.  it didn't anymore these last few years.  her unkind style has become "dead meat".   

by the way, senator santiago's own son, her youngest, committed suicide in 2003. 

When Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago said the Reyes is a "dead man walking", for sure the secretary did not think of the general's actual death. It is just a metaphor that somehow portrays the current and future life Reyes has and is supposed to face. And somehow, Santiago's words coincide on the latest suicidal act of General Reyes. Perhaps, Reyes thought that there is no way for him to escape from being punished. But that is, if he really thought he is guilty as charged.

it was just a senate investigation.  whether he was guilty or not was up to the courts after charges have been filed by whoever.  why was he already treated as if he was guilty in a senate hearing that was only meant to aid legislation?  and we're supposed to be a nation of laws...



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« Reply #214 on: February 21, 2011, 12:16:46 AM »
Manang Tess,

Please accept my condolences to your friend who recently passed. I do hope that her family , her children, and friends find strength through such difficult moments. May God surround them with His all-encompassing Love and Strength in such difficult times.
 

i hope you're not thinking that hofelina's tragic friend is now roasting in the eternal flames of hell?



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« Reply #215 on: February 21, 2011, 12:29:04 AM »
But how do we know what happen between the person soul and God before they depart from this life. We still have no way to judge what's going on. Only God know's what happen to Angelo Reyes.
As I have said before nga who know's before siya nawad an ug kinabuhi nakapangayo pa siya ug pasaylo sa Ginoo. Yes tinuod iyang giplano iyang suicide but dili gihapon ta ka judge nga tua na siya sa hell kay ang Ginoo ray nasayod sa tanan.

amen.  and i don't need to quote the bible to believe in this.

 

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« Reply #216 on: February 21, 2011, 01:05:30 AM »
11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you  are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 So let no one boast in men. For all things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.

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« Reply #217 on: February 21, 2011, 01:09:45 AM »
He he, I feel so foolish, and then some.  ;D

Hmm. Here are some foolish words to go by:

Last words are for fools who haven't said enough. --Karl Marx




I will take this. Yes, I am not wise in worldly wisdom. I am not as wise as you, Nong. But that is fine. But i trust in this saying.

I thought you should read it. :)



"18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 So let no one boast in men. For all things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's."

1 Corinthians 3: 18-23

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« Reply #218 on: February 21, 2011, 01:13:31 AM »

11 For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

16 Do you not know that you  are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.

18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” 20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.” 21 So let no one boast in men. For all things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, 23 and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.

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« Reply #219 on: February 21, 2011, 03:28:44 AM »
in any case, i admire your energy and grace under pressure (you're unsinkable!), if not your ideas.





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« Reply #220 on: February 21, 2011, 03:38:48 AM »
obviously, christ did not consign mary magdalene to hell.  as we believe in divine mercy, so must we not consign angelo reyes to hell.

it looks like you have changed your mind along with a change of heart, after this:  Suicide is an unpardonable Sin. His soul is now burning in eternal fires of hell. (lorenzo's judgment)

yes, his judgment is impeccable and just, thank you.

what the...!@#?  heavens, don't you dare expect the four horsemen of the apocalypse astride arabian horses to stop at your front yard and come knocking at your door.

  




1. Mary of Magdalene ran to Jesus, and followed her Lord and Savior. Served Him and believed in Him. Salvation on High. Whatever sin she had before died with her old self. She was born new, in spirit and in faith with Christ. She is a model Christian. Saved through faith and through observance of holiness. Did Magdalene return back to her sins after her salvation?

2. Please read 1 Corinthians Chapter 3, and Revelations as well as the same passage from 1st John.

3. Revelations is a prophecy of the Apocalypse by St. John of the Divine. It is the foretelling of the things to come. Do you not know that Christ will soon come again to judge the living and the dead? Do you know that when He comes in Glory again for the 2nd time, His judgment will be final.
As was prophesied, so shall it be...

Why do you think there are frequent occurrences of Our Mother Mary in the world telling and reminding us all to repent of our sins and to not despair but to ask for forgiveness from her Son? Time is coming soon..



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« Reply #221 on: February 21, 2011, 03:47:33 AM »
 

it was just a senate investigation.  whether he was guilty or not was up to the courts after charges have been filed by whoever.  why was he already treated as if he was guilty in a senate hearing that was only meant to aid legislation?  and we're supposed to be a nation of laws...



A very good question. If the man was innocent, would he have reacted in such a way such as suicide? Ikaw, Isles, if you were charged with tax evasion and were called to the Philippine Tax Court, I'm sure you would hire a good defense attorney, present your case, and point out every single economic activity and taxes paid so as to clear your name in the court of Law.

Hypothetically speaking, if you were charged with tax evasion, and were really innocent. Would it be practical, proper to jump of a cliff to your death?

I think not.

Ponder on it, my dear.

Only a guilty conscience would drive one to find such an end a 'way out'. Luoy pood.

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« Reply #222 on: February 21, 2011, 05:37:31 AM »
amen.  and i don't need to quote the bible to believe in this.

Daghan na unya mong brilliant Biblical scholar...  :P

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« Reply #223 on: February 21, 2011, 05:42:35 AM »
I will take this. Yes, I am not wise in worldly wisdom. I am not as wise as you, Nong. But that is fine. But i trust in this saying.


It's not about wisdom or whatever. It is about you not admitting you're wrong. Unya quote-quote dayon kag voluminous verses to hide the fact nga nasayop ka. You always want to show that you're better. With all your "scholarly" quotations and references and pompous declarations of faith, you appear to even want to sound better than Fr. Chic when it comes to understanding of the Catholic faith. Can anyone be more presumptuous than that?

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« Reply #224 on: February 21, 2011, 05:46:06 AM »
I will take this. Yes, I am not wise in worldly wisdom. I am not as wise as you, Nong. But that is fine. But i trust in this saying.

Take this post. Moingon ka nga dili ka wise, pero with the underscored caveat nga dili ka wise sa "worldly wisdom", implying that you're wise in "spiritual wisdom". Estoryaheeeee!

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« Reply #225 on: February 21, 2011, 07:28:41 AM »
Of course. Wise in Christ. :)

That I'm very sure, bro!



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« Reply #226 on: February 21, 2011, 07:32:49 AM »
It's not about wisdom or whatever. It is about you not admitting you're wrong. Unya quote-quote dayon kag voluminous verses to hide the fact nga nasayop ka. You always want to show that you're better. With all your "scholarly" quotations and references and pompous declarations of faith, you appear to even want to sound better than Fr. Chic when it comes to understanding of the Catholic faith. Can anyone be more presumptuous than that?

 :P

 

Sound better than a priest in catholic dogma? How presumptuous of you, my dear sage. Never did I think like that, but sharing some truths as explained in biblical passages. An exchange of ideas does not necessarily mean one is presumptuous. Not everything is negative, dear worldly sage.

;)

ps. i thought it was cute how you said 'estoryaheeee'. something that my titas say in valencia.  ;D


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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #227 on: February 21, 2011, 07:53:08 AM »
Through God's Grace, everything is through His Good Graces....


makes me wonder what kind of grace he has slapped you with. ;D

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« Reply #228 on: February 21, 2011, 07:54:57 AM »
The grace of patience and to be able to take a beating. ;)

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« Reply #229 on: February 21, 2011, 08:05:57 AM »
Of course. Wise in Christ. :)

That I'm very sure, bro!

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« Reply #230 on: February 21, 2011, 08:11:55 AM »
1. Mary of Magdalene ran to Jesus, and followed her Lord and Savior. Served Him and believed in Him. Salvation on High. Whatever sin she had before died with her old self. She was born new, in spirit and in faith with Christ. She is a model Christian. Saved through faith and through observance of holiness. Did Magdalene return back to her sins after her salvation?


i don't know whether she did or not.  if i have to be literal about the bible, well, the bible does not devote much space to mary magdalene's biography.  what i know is that she was forgiven.  period.

2. Please read 1 Corinthians Chapter 3, and Revelations as well as the same passage from 1st John.

now, now, it is as if you alone have read this.  let me let you in on a little secret:  i've read this while i was still a three-month-old fetus in my mother's womb. ;D

3. Revelations is a prophecy of the Apocalypse by St. John of the Divine. It is the foretelling of the things to come. Do you not know that Christ will soon come again to judge the living and the dead? Do you know that when He comes in Glory again for the 2nd time, His judgment will be final.
As was prophesied, so shall it be...


so shall it be.  and when the time comes, "...her prophets have daubed for them with whitewash, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, 'Thus says the Lord God,' when The Lord has not spoken." (Ezekiel 22:28 RSV)

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits. Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. On that day many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and do many mighty works in Your Name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you evildoers.'" (Matthew 7:15-23 RSV)

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." (Matthew 24:24 RSV)

as you advised me to read (thanks!), i advise to try your best to avoid being a false prophet.

Why do you think there are frequent occurrences of Our Mother Mary in the world telling and reminding us all to repent of our sins and to not despair but to ask for forgiveness from her Son? Time is coming soon..[/i]

and where in the bible is this?  you have no quotation?  hehe.



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« Reply #231 on: February 21, 2011, 08:20:47 AM »
Sound better than a priest in catholic dogma? How presumptuous of you, my dear sage. Never did I think like that, but sharing some truths as explained in biblical passages. An exchange of ideas does not necessarily mean one is presumptuous. Not everything is negative, dear worldly sage.


So you don't know that you sound arrogant? Perhaps this little introduction into some basic writing principles will lead you into a more careful "sharing", and hopefully into a more realistic view of yourself:



Understanding Voice and Tone in Writing
http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/understanding-voice-and-tone-in-writing.aspx


What Is a Writing Voice?

Voice is the distinct personality, style, or point of view of a piece of writing or any other creative work. Voice is what Simon Cowell is talking about when he tells "American Idol" contestants to make a song their own and not just do a note-for-note karaoke version. Many musicians have played "The Star-Spangled Banner," for instance, but there's a world of difference between the Boston Pops' performance and Jimi Hendrix's, even though the basic melody is the same.

In writing, the New York Times and the New York Post may cover the same story, but their headlines are likely to be quite different. For example, when Ike Turner died, the New York Times had a straightforward headline: "Ike Turner, Musician and Songwriter in Duo With Tina Turner, Dies at 76"; whereas the New York Post went for a bad pun: "Ike 'Beats' Tina to Death."

Why Voice Matters

Voice is important because your writing should have as much personality as you do. You've read things that seem to have been written by committee, and it's not a fun experience. A strong voice helps you make every word count, establishes consistency across your website or body of work, and most importantly helps you grab your readers' attention and establish a relationship with them. You probably have a short list of writers you'll read no matter what their subject, because you like their style so much, and other writers you can't stand because they sound snarky or condescending or otherwise unappealing to you.

Finding Your Voice

So how do you discover and develop your voice? Start by thinking about these three things:

What you want to communicate about yourself or, if you're writing for a business, about the company's brand. If you asked your readers to describe your copy with a few adjectives, which words would you want them to choose?

The purpose of what you're writing. Should your voice be different for an obituary than for a movie review? Do you want to inform, entertain, or motivate readers to take action?

Your target audience. Are you writing for kids, professional investors, soccer fans from around the world?

As you think about each of those factors, scribble down adjectives that might apply to your voice. If you get stuck, consider some qualities that you don't want to convey, like "long-winded" or "snooze worthy" or "arrogant." Consider your peers and competitors, too: How will your voice be distinct from theirs?
When you have a substantial list, start to prune. Delete any descriptors that seem secondary in importance, and see if you can make any words more specific. Many writers might describe their voices as conversational, for example, but there's a big difference between conversational on a celebrity gossip site and conversational on a bank site. Boil your list down to four or five essential descriptors.

How Do You Translate Voice into Words?

The next step is to translate those voice characteristics into writing mechanics. Voice may affect your word choice, sentence and story structure, even your punctuation. For example, if you're writing about fashion for tween girls, and you want your voice to be fun, trendy, upbeat, and accessible, then you might want to keep your vocabulary at an eighth-grade level but allow slang and even some made-up words for freshness; you might want to set an attention-span-appropriate word count; and punctuation marks that some people consider too casual, such as exclamation points and ellipses, are probably OK in moderation. Create some writing do's and don'ts specific to your voice.

There are a few elements to be careful with: jargon, culture-specific references, and humor. If you're speaking to a highly specific readership, like tech fans or grammar geeks, then it may be not only necessary but expected that you'll use insider terminology like "cloud computing" or "nonrestrictive clause." But generally speaking, the more diverse your audience, the more you should strive for clarity and simplicity and avoid slang, humor that might be misconstrued, and culture-specific references. For instance, baseball-derived slang like "bush league" and "batting average" may be Greek to anyone not from the U.S.

What's the Difference Between Tone and Voice?

One more thing: Some of you may be wondering what the difference is between voice and tone. You could consider tone a subset of voice. If voice is the personality of a story, then tone is the mood. Although lots of writers could describe their voice as funny, the mood of their individual pieces might be dark or biting or silly or sarcastic.

Summary

A strong, well-defined voice is the bridge between you and your audience: It helps your readers understand who you are, and it helps you engage them and keep them coming back for more. Take 20 minutes to define your voice, and you'll never sound like bad karaoke or committee writing.



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« Reply #232 on: February 21, 2011, 08:32:58 AM »
i don't know whether she did or not.  if i have to be literal about the bible, well, the bible does not devote much space to mary magdalene's biography.  what i know is that she was forgiven.  period.

now, now, it is as if you alone have read this.  let me let you in on a little secret:  i've read this while i was still a three-month-old fetus in my mother's womb. ;D

so shall it be.  and when the time comes, "...her prophets have daubed for them with whitewash, seeing false visions and divining lies for them, saying, 'Thus says the Lord God,' when The Lord has not spoken." (Ezekiel 22:28 RSV)

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits. Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. On that day many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and do many mighty works in Your Name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you evildoers.'" (Matthew 7:15-23 RSV)

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." (Matthew 24:24 RSV)

as you advised me to read (thanks!), i advise to try your best to avoid being a false prophet.

and where in the bible is this?  you have no quotation?  hehe.



Indeed the Bible tells us to beware of false prophets. However, my dear, I am not claiming to be a prophet, less alone claim to have interaction and speak with the Divine or know the future.

What is a prophet?

In Christianity a prophet (or seer[37]) is one inspired by God through the Holy Spirit to deliver a message for a specific purpose. It is often associated with predicting future events, but in biblical terms it is wider and can include those given the power to preach repentance to those who do not want to hear the message and to warn of God's wrath for disobedience. God's calling as a prophet is not considered to elevate an individual for their glory, but for the glory of God and to turn people to him. Some Christian denominations would limit that and exclude those who receive a personal message not intended for the body of believers, but in the Bible on a number of occasions prophets were called to deliver personal messages.[38] The reception of a message is termed revelation and the delivery of the message is termed prophecy.

source: wikipedia

Please know the difference between prophets and biblical passage sharing.

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« Reply #233 on: February 21, 2011, 08:34:16 AM »


now, now, it is as if you alone have read this.  let me let you in on a little secret:  i've read this while i was still a three-month-old fetus in my mother's womb. ;D




Ah, truly, with jest as always.  ::)

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« Reply #234 on: February 21, 2011, 08:37:00 AM »

So you don't know that you sound arrogant? Perhaps this little introduction into some basic writing principles will lead you into a more careful "sharing", and hopefully into a more realistic view of yourself:




Nope. I guess only to you who takes it seriously , let alone take my writings as if im trying to put anyone down.

Let me tell you something, dear sage, has it ever occurred to your lovely little head that you happen to sound a bit arrogant, pretentious in how you deliberate your responses to people. Or , dare I count the many times you jest on people's abilities? It's a matter of the kettle calling the pot black.

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« Reply #235 on: February 21, 2011, 08:37:19 AM »
The grace of patience and to be able to take a beating. ;)

If you see how attendings treat medical interns. You'll know what I'm talking about.


you have my sympathy.  i understand sleep deprivation is one of the most common complaints of medical interns on top of at the bottom of the pecking order.  i hope that your posts aren't products of such terrible toll on your road to a medical profession.

"  ...Walker described the heightened emotional response in the weary as "profound," noting, "We've never seen a magnitude of increase between two groups that big in any of our studies before."

The team also checked the fMRI readings to determine whether any other brain regions had a similar pattern of activity, which would indicate that the brain networks were communicating with one another. In normal participants, the amygdala seemed to be talking to the medial prefrontal cortex, an outer layer of the brain that, Walker says, helps to contextualize experiences and emotions. But, in the sleep-deprived brain, the amygdala seemed to be "rewired," coupling instead with a brain stem area called the locus coeruleus, which secretes norepinephrine, a precursor of the hormone adrenaline that triggers fight-or-flight type reactions.

"Medial prefrontal cortex is the policeman of the emotional brain," Walker says. "It makes us more rational. That top-down, inhibitory connection is severed in the condition of sleep deprivation. … The amygdala seems to be able to run amok." People in this state seem to experience a pendulum of emotions, going from upset and annoyed to giddy in moments, he says.

"There seems to be a causal relationship between impaired sleep and some of the psychiatric symptomatology and disorders that we're seeing," says Robert Stickgold, an associate professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who was not involved in this study. He cites research linking sleep apnea, in which breathing is disrupted, to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and the evidence of a connection between depression and insomnia as examples. "It might be that those medial frontal regions tell the rest of the brain, 'You can chill,'" he says. "Those circuits become exhausted or altered after a lack of sleep."    "            

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« Reply #236 on: February 21, 2011, 08:38:16 AM »
ps. i thought it was cute how you said 'estoryaheeee'. something that my titas say in valencia.  ;D

Indeed. It was meant for your delicate ears...  :-X

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« Reply #237 on: February 21, 2011, 08:39:40 AM »
Indeed. It was meant for your delicate ears...  :-X
pwera bujag!


I'm sure if you said it , it would have been in the same valencianhon-dimianon accent the women have when they say 'estoryaheee'

much thanks for your consideration of my delicate hears. im sure you should worry about your own ears before mine.

but thanks tho.

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« Reply #238 on: February 21, 2011, 08:41:30 AM »
and where in the bible is this?  you have no quotation?  hehe.

Hmm. Maybe a case of self-quotation?  ::)


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« Reply #239 on: February 21, 2011, 08:42:44 AM »
you have my sympathy.  i understand sleep deprivation is one of the most common complaints of medical interns on top of at the bottom of the pecking order.  i hope that your posts aren't products of such terrible toll on your road to a medical profession.

"  ...Walker described the heightened emotional response in the weary as "profound," noting, "We've never seen a magnitude of increase between two groups that big in any of our studies before."

The team also checked the fMRI readings to determine whether any other brain regions had a similar pattern of activity, which would indicate that the brain networks were communicating with one another. In normal participants, the amygdala seemed to be talking to the medial prefrontal cortex, an outer layer of the brain that, Walker says, helps to contextualize experiences and emotions. But, in the sleep-deprived brain, the amygdala seemed to be "rewired," coupling instead with a brain stem area called the locus coeruleus, which secretes norepinephrine, a precursor of the hormone adrenaline that triggers fight-or-flight type reactions.

"Medial prefrontal cortex is the policeman of the emotional brain," Walker says. "It makes us more rational. That top-down, inhibitory connection is severed in the condition of sleep deprivation. … The amygdala seems to be able to run amok." People in this state seem to experience a pendulum of emotions, going from upset and annoyed to giddy in moments, he says.

"There seems to be a causal relationship between impaired sleep and some of the psychiatric symptomatology and disorders that we're seeing," says Robert Stickgold, an associate professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who was not involved in this study. He cites research linking sleep apnea, in which breathing is disrupted, to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and the evidence of a connection between depression and insomnia as examples. "It might be that those medial frontal regions tell the rest of the brain, 'You can chill,'" he says. "Those circuits become exhausted or altered after a lack of sleep."    "             

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=can-a-lack-of-sleep-cause

sleep deprivation, not so much. treatment of some of the arrogant physicians , more so. there are 5 of us in our group, so in cases were we are on call for 12-18 hours, we rotate on sleep. there is never a time that all of us interns are up at the same time. 2-3 are sleeping when 2-3 are up doing rounds.

in the medical field, as in any profession, one has to have a system going.

trust me tho, there was a time when i was up doing a full day round. meaning i was up for 36 hours. no sleep what so ever. then expecting to present on diabetes mellitus to my attending. whoa. can i say coffee-fied?

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« Reply #240 on: February 21, 2011, 08:45:20 AM »
Please know the difference between prophets and biblical passage sharing.

yes, you should.  after all, do we not know that even the devil can quote the bible?  and who was that who "predicted" that angelo reyes's soul is suffering the fires of eternal damnation?  i thought it was a prophesy, if not a divine judgment. :-\

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« Reply #241 on: February 21, 2011, 08:46:45 AM »
yes, you should.  after all, do we not know that even the devil can quote the bible?  and who was that who "predicted" that angelo reyes's soul is suffering the fires of eternal damnation?  i thought it was a prophesy, if not a divine judgment. :-\

but it says directly in revelations and 1 corinthians chapter 3 verse 7 and 8! i am not prophesying , but quoting and directly sourcing from the Holy Bible. Word for Word!

Oh, isles.... ::)

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« Reply #242 on: February 21, 2011, 09:00:22 AM »
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits. Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. On that day many will say to Me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and do many mighty works in Your Name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you evildoers.'" (Matthew 7:15-23 RSV)

Hmm. Basin di na ron mailhan kay lahi na ang mga mananap nga nalambigit...  ;D

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« Reply #243 on: February 21, 2011, 09:03:12 AM »
Naglibog na jud ning irihes nga Botoy. Kabahin sa suicide, sayop diay ang stand sa Simbahan karon?  ???

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« Reply #244 on: February 21, 2011, 09:08:31 AM »
yes, you should.  after all, do we not know that even the devil can quote the bible?  and who was that who "predicted" that angelo reyes's soul is suffering the fires of eternal damnation?  i thought it was a prophesy, if not a divine judgment. :-\

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« Reply #245 on: February 21, 2011, 09:20:01 AM »
but it says directly in revelations and 1 corinthians chapter 3 verse 7 and 8! i am not prophesying , but quoting and directly sourcing from the Holy Bible. Word for Word!

Oh, isles.... ::)

Do you question the Word of God? Are you saying that the Word of God is flawed?


oh, lorenzo, do you not see that it is more on how you select and use biblical passages to suit your personal opinion?  this is what i meant by cross-referencing and refraining from being literal in your understanding.  you pick out passages from the old testament without considering how these are fulfilled in the new testament and without sparing even a thought to “The God of the Old Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the New Testament is a God of love,” for one, so long as the passage, literally, supports your claim of perdition to suicides, which is how this thread had gone after your "divine judgment" on angelo reyes (when the thread was only about whether his dying was honorable or not, sans divine judgment on whether he's in hell or not).  

no, no, i dare not question the word of god; never did, never will.  do you not see that i'm questioning you?  is there no difference now between you and god? :o ::)

HENCEFORTH, READ THE JERUSALEM BIBLE.  MOST IMPORTANT, READ THE DETAILED FOOTNOTES THERE, INCLUDING THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL UNDERPINNINGS OF PASSAGES AND ACCOUNTS.  this particular version of the bible is a catholic biblical scholar's best friend.  (i hope fr chic agrees with the priest who had told me this and who gave me this bible eons ago. :D)  your understanding and discernment, if you may, will change enough for you to have second thoughts about what passages to post here because, heavens, there is more to the words in the bible than meets the eye.

 




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« Reply #246 on: February 21, 2011, 09:21:20 AM »
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Dunay gipaabot deris taas si Santino ug Inday Luci nga ipasara daw karyo - temporarily ra god - ang impyerno kay maghimo pa daw silag dugang cubicles didto para sa mga naghikog. Nakabati daw sila sa panaglantugi sa Tubag Bohol nga madugangan sila didto... no vacancy pa daw karon. Kinsa tong naghikog from 1988 - present, dili pa pwede dawaton didto kay medyo taas2x pa daw backlog. Lupig pay backlog sa U.S. immigration bwahahahaha  8) 8) 8)

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« Reply #247 on: February 21, 2011, 09:30:35 AM »
kabaw ba ani, hahahahaha!  nagtuo tingali si inday luci nga di ko ka-afford sa rent ug wa koy visa. ;D



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« Reply #248 on: February 21, 2011, 09:32:54 AM »
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Dunay gipaabot deris taas si Santino ug Inday Luci nga ipasara daw karyo - temporarily ra god - ang impyerno kay maghimo pa daw silag dugang cubicles didto para sa mga naghikog. Nakabati daw sila sa panaglantugi sa Tubag Bohol nga madugangan sila didto... no vacancy pa daw karon. Kinsa tong naghikog from 1988 - present, dili pa pwede dawaton didto kay medyo taas2x pa daw backlog. Lupig pay backlog sa U.S. immigration bwahahahaha  8) 8) 8)

Matud pa ni Inday Luci, sa nakasabot lang.....  ;D ;D

i love how Fr. Roel is able to make all of us laugh even in this quite very beautiful discussion. always, jud ko mo smile nimo , Fr.

sige, i will now rest my case.

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« Reply #249 on: February 21, 2011, 09:36:10 AM »
kabaw ba ani, hahahahaha!  nagtuo tingali si inday luci nga di ko ka-afford sa rent ug wa koy visa. ;D



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« Reply #250 on: February 21, 2011, 09:38:55 AM »
oh, lorenzo, do you not see that it is more on how you select and use biblical passages to suit your personal opinion?  this is what i meant by cross-referencing and refraining from being literal in your understanding.  you pick out passages from the old testament without considering how these are fulfilled in the new testament and without sparing even a thought to “The God of the Old Testament is a God of wrath while the God of the New Testament is a God of love,” for one, so long as the passage, literally, supports your claim of perdition to suicides, which is how this thread had gone after your "divine judgment" on angelo reyes (when the thread was only about whether his dying was honorable or not, sans divine judgment on whether he's in hell or not).  

no, no, i dare not question the word of god; never did, never will.  do you not see that i'm questioning you?  is there no difference now between you and god? :o ::)

HENCEFORTH, READ THE JERUSALEM BIBLE.  MOST IMPORTANT, READ THE DETAILED FOOTNOTES THERE, INCLUDING THE HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL UNDERPINNINGS OF PASSAGES AND ACCOUNTS.  this particular version of the bible is a catholic biblical scholar's best friend.  (i hope fr chic agrees with the priest who had told me this and who gave me this bible eons ago. :D)  your understanding and discernment, if you may, will change enough for you to have second thoughts about what passages to post here because, heavens, there is more to the words in the bible than meets the eye.

 




i think you , youself, need to discern, my dear isles. As far as i know, and as any good bible-reading Catholic , Christian knows, is that Corinthians is not old testament, but new testament. The book of Revelations is not old testament, but New Testament. Neither is 1st John Old Testament but New Testament.

It appears to me that you need to do some more reading yourself. A bit more, sister.  :)

God Bless you!

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« Reply #251 on: February 21, 2011, 09:45:02 AM »
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Dunay gipaabot deris taas si Santino ug Inday Luci nga ipasara daw karyo - temporarily ra god - ang impyerno kay maghimo pa daw silag dugang cubicles didto para sa mga naghikog. Nakabati daw sila sa panaglantugi sa Tubag Bohol nga madugangan sila didto... no vacancy pa daw karon. Kinsa tong naghikog from 1988 - present, dili pa pwede dawaton didto kay medyo taas2x pa daw backlog. Lupig pay backlog sa U.S. immigration bwahahahaha  8) 8) 8)

Matud pa ni Inday Luci, sa nakasabot lang.....  ;D ;D

Hmm. Kinsa kaha nis Inday Luci. Gi-short-cut man gud. First name ba kaha ni, or what...  ::)



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« Reply #252 on: February 21, 2011, 10:23:19 AM »
Hmm. Kinsa kaha nis Inday Luci. Gi-short-cut man gud. First name ba kaha ni, or what...  ::)



 bai H.B. naa diay babaye nga LUCIfer? kai Inday man? hehehe, JAWK ra baya ni mga Inday :D

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Reminiscing suicide: Judas Iscariot, Adolf Hitler and Angelo Reyes


On February 8, 2011, Former Sec. Angelo Reyes committed suicide infront of her mother’s tomb. A shot in the chest that went straight to his heart took his life. At the same time, the foul-smelling dead fish of corruption in the AFP has been spreading like wild fire in the forest. Reyes was in question for allegedly receiving government money during his stay in his Defense Chief post or maybe before that as a military officer. He was a general and alumnus of PMA.

When he died, sympathy flooded the country. Various officials say that he was a loss and that he gave a lot of contributions to the nation. Some also said that he was a victim of trial by publicity and he was framed up. Some critics have become sympathizers after lambasting Reyes as corrupt. Many said that what he did was a supreme sacrifice and honorable thing. And so he was laid to the Libingan ng mga Bayani (Heroes’ Cemetery).

After the incident I asked: What makes somebody who committed suicide a hero? The heroes in the country were killed in war or executed because of martyrdom although I know that the definition of heroism doesn’t only require those kinds of deaths. The government currently says that OFW’s are the new breed of heroes. There are also heroes who saved lives of other people but still are able to save themselves from getting killed.

There’s one character I know who is considered a hero after committing a suicide. It’s the fictional character Harry Stamper (Bruce Willis) from the movie Armageddon. He detonated the bomb, sacrificing his life, so that the asteriod will be cut into two and won’t hit the earth. But it was just a movie with all the exactness of events that came up with all the people cheering after.

I know that heroism comes with a price and I know that it takes a brave and courageous man to do become a hero. But heroes who dedicated their lives have an ultimate goal: to help and to serve others or for the greater good/glory. As I watched several close people, colleagues of Angelo Reyes who were giving speech about what he has done to the country, it can really be concluded that he has given his life for public service. He has dedicated himself in the military to the different offices opened by Presidential Decrees and different cabinet posts as well. There’s really no doubt to such service to the public. But committing suicide, what a sad end to a good life. I really believe it is NEVER an honorable thing to do such act in the midst of a controversy involving your own name.

It’s not a supreme sacrifice. How can it be a sacrifice when there’s an anomaly and you refuse to face it? How can it be honorable when you know the truth and you can’t say it? If Reyes were innocent, the hell what other people will think. It doesn’t matter. You SAY you are innocent. The world posits to be prejudicial. When Hubert Webb was sentenced to life imprisonment, he didn’t care what others say. He was firm in saying he’s innocent until he was freed.

Maybe Reyes has done good in the public. Maybe he has also done something bad as well. Well that’s part of the definition of a human being – vulnerable, imperfect and prone to sins. But shutting up and not telling the truth, it’s also the same as lying. Instead of making the issues clearer, the suicide raised more questions regarding AFP’s corruption. I’ve heard Teresita Ang-See who vouched for Reyes’ undoubted public service in Anti-Kidnapping and such. She said that it is impossible for Reyes to steal the money because of his ‘good’ background. But you have to think that we are humans. We also commit mistakes. That’s inevitable.

When I heard that Reyes committed suicide, the only thing that came out of my head was- GUILTY. In one of TV Patrol’s episodes, Reyes cannot answer straight to Korina’s questions regarding his involvement in the AFP corruption. His answers were short and vague like, “Wala akong kinalaman dyan.” (I have nothing to do with it.) He cannot further elaborate his findings and whereabouts during that time. In the same episode, Sen. Miriam Defensor Santiago called him “gago” (stupid) for saying that he has nothing to do with the corruption issue. And I think, the blunt senator has a point. You are the Defense Chief (like a president) and the Comptroller (treasurer) has been stealing the money and keeping it for the higher officials and their wives. It’s very impossible for the Chief to miss out findings of loss budget (say, hundred of millions of allocated budget) and just say “Hindi ko alam ang mga ‘yan.” (I don’t know about it.)   The senator was right in calling him stupid in that sense because Filipinos are not stupid when he said that.

Now there are a lot of mourners. And there are also a lot who pity Reyes. It’s part of the Filipino culture to sympathize and FORGET about the bigger picture. But again I say, Reyes’ death is not a supreme sacrifice.

Last January, in my pay slip, P8,000 of my salary went to tax for the government. And I’m going to pay my tax for the next years of my life. I’m only one of the millions of Filipinos who work hard to earn money for a living and to support a family. Instead of having the whole money to have a little more for budgeting my daily life, it goes to the government which we expect to do its role in the society. That’s why I think the Filipinos have the right to question the credibility of the government and to question where the hell do our taxes go.

It’s not only an issue about money and life of a General. It’s an issue of principle and transparency. The issue started from some sort of “Mock Battle of Manila” in the Ombudsman after a shitty plea bargaining agreement with a corrupt comptroller. We are getting to the bottom of the issue and it shouldn’t stop. Penalize all those involved and remove the medals that they don’t deserve. While the soldiers don’t have the right gear and uniform for their war and old weapons and few bullets at hand, these Generals are enjoying the people’s money by buying expensive houses and luxurious cars. Where in the world are the consciences and souls of these people? My friend Eddie said, these people are so greedy they stole money too much for their lifetime. How greedy. Now, is that something honorable? And now the truth is being covered up? Wake up!

As I was reflecting, I realized that Reyes’ suicide was very similar to what Adolf Hitler did when he was about to lose. Both of them were honorable in their respected positions although Reyes didn’t intend to kill millions of Jews. But instead of facing the truth, they chickened out and killed themselves after committing mistakes they didn’t want to correct.

When I had my GREATWK, we studied a boring “Great Work” of Emile Durkheim, the book “SUICIDE.” We discussed the different kinds of suicide for 1/3 of the trimester (how boring!). Anyway, a lot of Reyes’ supporters think that what he did was ALTRUISTIC SUICIDE. This suicide happens when an individual is expected to kill himself on behalf of the society like soldier in a military service. But I beg to differ. I’d rather consider it FATALISTIC SUICIDE. This suicide happens when a person prefers to die than to live within his society like preferring to die rather to be in prison with constant abuse which prohibits him from pursuing his desires.

I would want Sec. Angelo Reyes to rest in peace. Death of person makes people especially loved ones sad. But I think there are lot of barriers to be in peace. Here are some of my realizations:

1. Angelo Reyes’ death will not make any change in the corrupt government. It’s another one wasted life. He’s a victim of corruption that ate him.

2. What he did was a selfish move. He only thought of himself and forgot about God’s love, his family, his friends and the whole Philippine nation waiting for the truth.

3. His suicide might have been triggered by guilt, like what Judas did after betraying Jesus (like him betraying the country) although both of them have served their masters.

4. Good educational background doesn’t make you a morally upright person. Harvard diploma doesn’t give it. Grades are just numbers. Values come from the person. It comes from within.

5. Heroes don’t kill themselves in the middle of a fight or hide from the truth.

6. And lastly, as what I’ve learned in TREDONE with Dr. Arnold Monera, suicide is a one way ticket to hell.


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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #254 on: February 21, 2011, 10:55:48 AM »
bai H.B. naa diay babaye nga LUCIfer? kai Inday man? hehehe, JAWK ra baya ni mga Inday :D

Lalaki ni siya pero medyo bayen-on lang...  :-X

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« Reply #255 on: February 21, 2011, 02:40:16 PM »
Written by: Intellectualclash of wordpress.com
http://justinspeaks.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/reminiscing-suicide-judas-iscariot-adolf-hitler-and-angelo-reyes/

Reminiscing suicide: Judas Iscariot, Adolf Hitler and Angelo Reyes


just one more opinion of a writer who isn't much to begin with (considering his use of hackneyed expressions like 'foul-smelling dead fish' and 'spreading like wild fire in the forest') and one who seems better at not feeling uncomfortable in his condemnation.

When he died, sympathy flooded the country.

of course, filipinos are a forgiving people.

After the incident I asked: What makes somebody who committed suicide a hero? The heroes in the country were killed in war or executed because of martyrdom although I know that the definition of heroism doesn’t only require those kinds of deaths. The government currently says that OFW’s are the new breed of heroes. There are also heroes who saved lives of other people but still are able to save themselves from getting killed.

who can say?  heroes come in different forms.  why, even some super heroes have their own reasons for wearing their briefs outside for all to see, like superman and batman.  and yes, when the idea of ofws as heroes was first brought forth, many had initially scoffed.  these days, it's a given.  today's heel could be tomorrow's hero and vice versa.

it could be that there are heroes who choose to die and bring their own secrets to the grave rather than start singing like a parrot, naming names and bringing an institution and the whole country down with them.  there could be heroes who might have visions of bloodshed and unexplained assassinations because a military institution has been pushed to the wall for some corruption that is not really limited to such institution alone but is rather all-pervading, the investigating legislators allegedly included.  the possibilities for heroism are endless, being eaten by a lion in the old days that raised heroism a notch and being called martyrdom notwithstanding.

when legislators truly come up with laws as a result of the investigation (too many televised investigations in the past resulted to nothing, as one study shows), laws that cover themselves as well, then reyes shall not have killed himself in vain.

(at their perch, these legislative investigators--always in aid of legislation, they say--have not even touched what is enshrined in the constitution about political dynasties in which they are players.  they haven't come up with a single enabling law on this, which begs the question of who investigates the legislative investigators?)      

6. And lastly, as what I’ve learned in TREDONE with Dr. Arnold Monera, suicide is a one way ticket to hell.

"Christian attitudes to suicide : In the past, the Church taught that suicide was a serious sin; suicides were not allowed a Christian funeral, or buried in holy ground. Survivors were severely punished. They believed it showed a deliberate rejection of God’s gift of life.

Today, the Church has changed. Much more is known about depression, stress, grief and other causes of suicide. Instead of condemning victims, the Church tries to understand, and support the relatives. Most Christians believe it is wrong to commit suicide, but understand why people try it. The right response to suicide is to be loving and forgiving. People should be helped, not condemned."

http://www.rsrevision.com/GCSE/shortcourse/medicalethics/suicide.htm



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #256 on: February 21, 2011, 02:46:27 PM »
"Christian attitudes to suicide : In the past, the Church taught that suicide was a serious sin; suicides were not allowed a Christian funeral, or buried in holy ground. Survivors were severely punished. They believed it showed a deliberate rejection of God’s gift of life.

Today, the Church has changed. Much more is known about depression, stress, grief and other causes of suicide. Instead of condemning victims, the Church tries to understand, and support the relatives. Most Christians believe it is wrong to commit suicide, but understand why people try it. The right response to suicide is to be loving and forgiving. People should be helped, not condemned."

http://www.rsrevision.com/GCSE/shortcourse/medicalethics/suicide.htm

Ang nakaparat kay buhi pa si Torpemada, este, Torquemada...  :P

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #257 on: February 21, 2011, 03:02:52 PM »
i think you , youself, need to discern, my dear isles. As far as i know, and as any good bible-reading Catholic , Christian knows, is that Corinthians is not old testament, but new testament. The book of Revelations is not old testament, but New Testament. Neither is 1st John Old Testament but New Testament.

It appears to me that you need to do some more reading yourself. A bit more, sister.  :)

God Bless you!

incidentally, i am not referring to your biblical posts in this thread alone but in all your posts in this whole planet of tb. ;D  
(please, brother, i may not be as knowledgeable as you are about the bible, but if memory serves me right i may not be that ignorant either as i took a special class on this in college for one whole semester, having graduated from an exclusive catholic school for girls.  i was picked out with one other student [yes, the special class had only two students].  knowing how our discussions went, please don't blame me if i regard you as a plebe when it comes to the bible.  i can, of course, tolerate your grandiloquence, which is usually a product of little knowledge.)
 
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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #258 on: February 21, 2011, 03:18:05 PM »
hala, na unsaon man ug wa kay visa?

no problem.  as long as i don't look like you (bearded and all), i'm sure i won't be mistaken for a terrorist. ;D(jawk!)  at least, you're a handsome one who will go straight to paradise.  ;D(jawk!)

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #259 on: February 21, 2011, 03:21:15 PM »
ANNOUNCEMENT:  

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Matud pa ni Inday Luci, sa nakasabot lang.....  ;D ;D

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #260 on: February 21, 2011, 03:29:10 PM »
i can, of course, tolerate your grandiloquence, which is usually a product of little knowledge.

Hmm... Reminds me of a couple of couplets (he he) from Alexander Pope:

A little learning is a dang'rous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring.

Words are like leaves and where they most abound,
Much fruit of sense beneath is rarely found.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #261 on: February 21, 2011, 10:19:00 PM »
incidentally, i am not referring to your biblical posts in this thread alone but in all your posts in this whole planet of tb. ;D 
(please, brother, i may not be as knowledgeable as you are about the bible, but if memory serves me right i may not be that ignorant either as i took a special class on this in college for one whole semester, having graduated from an exclusive catholic school for girls.  i was picked out with one other student [yes, the special class had only two students].  knowing how our discussions went, please don't blame me if i regard you as a plebe when it comes to the bible.  i can, of course, tolerate your grandiloquence, which is usually a product of little knowledge.)
 
god bless you too.





Thank you for sharing your most illustrious career in biblical study. Unbeknownst to you, my little dear, is that I attended a prestigious private college in the United States. In my stay as a Molecular Biology & European History double major (while under the competitive pre-medical track), i managed to minor in religious studies. I studied the Q'uran for 2 whole semesters, 1 semester on Intensive Middle Eastern History, as well as 1 Semester on Christian Historiography, 1 semester on comparative religious text (bible, tanakh, and the q'uran), let alone was an active member on our Collegiate Catholic Newman's Society (a collegiate body that focused on catholic study, as well as intensive biblical study).

I may be a 'plebe', but I dare say, you should watch your mouth in your comparatives, little lady.

I was also humbly selected as a Collegiate Trustees Scholar (through my humble knowledge in things, was awarded a scholarship of over $35,000 + an additional $ 75,000;  then selected as one of 15 students out of a list of 500 to attend a study abroad program in the Ukraine..which was based on one's GPA and academic standing). But of course, a person of little knowledge like me cannot compare, dare i even blink, to the likes of you....

 ::)



PS. You still managed to mix up old testament from new testament. As per you last post. So , I suggest you re-read your bible.
Afterall, just because one 'read' a book some eons back,does not necessarily mean he/she retains it all after a period of lack of study.


A humble below-average student.,



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #262 on: February 21, 2011, 10:35:30 PM »
just one more opinion of a writer who isn't much to begin with (considering his use of hackneyed expressions like 'foul-smelling dead fish' and 'spreading like wild fire in the forest') and one who seems better at not feeling uncomfortable in his condemnation.

of course, filipinos are a forgiving people.

who can say?  heroes come in different forms.  why, even some super heroes have their own reasons for wearing their briefs outside for all to see, like superman and batman.  and yes, when the idea of ofws as heroes was first brought forth, many had initially scoffed.  these days, it's a given.  today's heel could be tomorrow's hero and vice versa.

it could be that there are heroes who choose to die and bring their own secrets to the grave rather than start singing like a parrot, naming names and bringing an institution and the whole country down with them.  there could be heroes who might have visions of bloodshed and unexplained assassinations because a military institution has been pushed to the wall for some corruption that is not really limited to such institution alone but is rather all-pervading, the investigating legislators allegedly included.  the possibilities for heroism are endless, being eaten by a lion in the old days that raised heroism a notch and being called martyrdom notwithstanding.

when legislators truly come up with laws as a result of the investigation (too many televised investigations in the past resulted to nothing, as one study shows), laws that cover themselves as well, then reyes shall not have killed himself in vain.

(at their perch, these legislative investigators--always in aid of legislation, they say--have not even touched what is enshrined in the constitution about political dynasties in which they are players.  they haven't come up with a single enabling law on this, which begs the question of who investigates the legislative investigators?)      





How arrogant of you. To criticize the writer's writing ability, instead of understanding his point of view and body of material that was laid to bare. You are interesting, isles, you claim to want a new philippines, devoid of corruption, but at the moment of one corrupt former military man's death (suicide), you have lost the spark of credibility, and have become a defender. His death does not pardon his crimes, no , no. His death and the reaction of some people to his death indicates how quick people are to forget the crimes. legislative investigators still need to pry open the story and truth from his situation.

in the progression towards a more responsible government , and a better functioning democracy, investigators must refrain from detractive tendencies of the emotional outburst of the times. it must remain unhindered in the pursuit of justice.

reyes' death was his own choosing. his estate and his perpetrators must and should answer to the law. no one is above the law. not even the dead.

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« Reply #263 on: February 22, 2011, 12:07:05 AM »
A beautiful article by James Cordova

http://asiancorrespondent.com/48008/angelo-reyes-filipinos-should-stop-burying-the-sins-of-the-corrupt/


Angelo Reyes: Filipinos should stop burying the sins of the corrupt


he picture below, taken by NPPA Images, tragically represents the tragedy that is Angelo Reyes. It shows the tombstone on the grave of Purificacion Reyes, Angelo’s mother, smeared with her son’s blood after he shot himself in the hear



How can a family recover from something like this?

Days before he committed suicide, Reyes pleaded to the public not to drag his family into the corruption scandal that is rocking the Philippine military. But his suicide, as far as I’m concerned, settled the question on whether he was guilty of receiving millions of pesos from a payola taken from kickbacks and other corrupt practices in the military.

Spare his family? Didn’t Reyes  think of them before he pocketed those millions? Didn’t his family, particularly his wife, think of their good name and Purificacion before they spent those monies and lived allegedly luxurious lives?

We Filipinos are a forgiving people —  forgiving to a fault. We sweep problems like this under the rug when somebody as important as Reyes dies. Do not speak ill of the dead. The dead, no matter what they did in life, deserve respect.

I agree. But this culture of forgiveness, of burying our sense of justice along with the corrupt departed, is what makes our country such as sorry place. Remember the death of the dictator Ferdinand Marcos? When he died, not a few Filipinos said we should forget what he did and try to move on. Well, newsflash! We tried to move on but we have never moved on. The reason for that is because we lack the proper sense of outrage and even the moral sense to correct the wrongs done to us as a people.

This is not to disrespect the family of Angelo Reyes, let alone his mother. But before they demand  respect  from the public, they ought to show it to the public first.

Death, no matter how dramatic and tragic, should never be used as an occasion to forget a misdeed. Filipinos have done that quite often and look where we are now.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #264 on: February 22, 2011, 12:08:38 AM »
Ramon responds:
http://asiancorrespondent.com/48008/angelo-reyes-filipinos-should-stop-burying-the-sins-of-the-corrupt/


Yes people think his death is an admission of guilt for obvious reasons. He sure as hell doesn't have anything to be depressed about. He was a part of EDSA 2 he helped the people overthrow a president, then kills himself when people start calling him corrupt with backing evidence. What's that smell? Corruption cooking.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #265 on: February 22, 2011, 12:26:26 AM »
This is an interview of Reyes days prior his suicide.

In a clinical observation, the man shows no altered mental status, no brief manic or psychotic symptomology whatsoever.

On the contrary, he seems to be perfectly normal and in right state of mind. He answers questions with no supposed loss of reality.

Nor does he show flat effect (a side effect of anti-depression drugs, anti-psychotic, anti-schizophrenic drugs). hmmmm...

GENERAL ANGELO REYES



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« Reply #266 on: February 22, 2011, 12:38:12 AM »
Thank you for sharing your most illustrious career in biblical study. Unbeknownst to you, my little dear, is that I attended a prestigious private college in the United States. In my stay as a Molecular Biology & European History double major (while under the competitive pre-medical track), i managed to minor in religious studies. I studied the Q'uran for 2 whole semesters, 1 semester on Intensive Middle Eastern History, as well as 1 Semester on Christian Historiography, 1 semester on comparative religious text (bible, tanakh, and the q'uran), let alone was an active member on our Collegiate Catholic Newman's Society (a collegiate body that focused on catholic study, as well as intensive biblical study).

I may be a 'plebe', but I dare say, you should watch your mouth in your comparatives, little lady.

you must mean comparisons, big man.

so now you think, and act, as if such studies made your discernment any better?  why, you’re even far from writing down your thoughts well, dahlin’.  but then it’s probably just a simple case of biting off more than you could chew;  no different from a sufferer of mental indigestion, really.  picking you out as a scholar must have been a tragic mistake.  i never believed in the so-called dumbing of america.  now I’m almost tempted to change my mind, thanks to you.   

I was also humbly selected as a Collegiate Trustees Scholar (through my humble knowledge in things, was awarded a scholarship of over $35,000 + an additional $ 75,000;  then selected as one of 15 students out of a list of 500 to attend a study abroad program in the Ukraine..which was based on one's GPA and academic standing). But of course, a person of little knowledge like me cannot compare, dare i even blink, to the likes of you....

 ::)

you mean, the ones who selected you were humble when they should have been proud to pick such an illustrious scholar? ;D

but then you must have meant your own humility, and no matter how false, such claims make me wish to end my own life just so i’d be privileged to be consigned by you to the eternal flames of damnation.  ukraine, whew!  i’m shaking in my boots.

after your curriculum vitae presentation, i daresay you now qualify as a call center agent in cebu. 

PS. You still managed to mix up old testament from new testament. As per you last post. So , I suggest you re-read your bible.
Afterall, just because one 'read' a book some eons back,does not necessarily mean he/she retains it all after a period of lack of study.

A humble below-average student.,


you mean they do make scholars out of below-average students like you?

well, if you insist, and if it makes you feel any better, dear humble below-average servant who has taken it upon himself to condemn people to perdition, so be it, because i don’t even have the ability to open the bible and i’m too imbecile to know what books comprise the old and the new testament nor do i have the energy such as you have to cut and paste bible passages from the internet. 

let it be said that i truly appreciate your humility as you condemn a suicide to hell, the kind of humility that’s quite in keeping with your revelation that your father had saved millions and calling a grandfather’s farm lot a hacienda in some other threads. 

i suggest you cease and desist from sounding like a religious scholar of sanctimonious proportions because you only end up convincing no one.   


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« Reply #267 on: February 22, 2011, 12:52:20 AM »
It shows to tell you, "dahlin" that both of us are able to talk about biblical passages concerning that part of the discussion. My inference of my education (as minimal as it is) shows to tell you that you going to a private catholic school (arent' most schools in the philippines, catholic?) does not make you higher than i, especially in regards to discussing about biblical verses.

Still, that does not  efface the fact that you erroneously mistook Revelations, 1 Corinthians, and 1 John as old testament since i strictly made reference to new testament verses.

that said,  i would suggest you realign your own readings and to re-read the bible before you start lecturing on who is qualified or unqualified to read and share words from Holy Scripture. Unless you are biblical theologian (with a Ph.D in divinity) then you are not in the position to tell me if i am able or not able to share my own inference, which directly supports my points that i have continuously supported through this discussion.



Oh, na, not so harsh diba?

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« Reply #268 on: February 22, 2011, 12:56:26 AM »
A beautiful article by James Cordova

http://asiancorrespondent.com/48008/angelo-reyes-filipinos-should-stop-burying-the-sins-of-the-corrupt/


Angelo Reyes: Filipinos should stop burying the sins of the corrupt


he picture below, taken by NPPA Images, tragically represents the tragedy that is Angelo Reyes. It shows the tombstone on the grave of Purificacion Reyes, Angelo’s mother, smeared with her son’s blood after he shot himself in the hear



How can a family recover from something like this?

Days before he committed suicide, Reyes pleaded to the public not to drag his family into the corruption scandal that is rocking the Philippine military. But his suicide, as far as I’m concerned, settled the question on whether he was guilty of receiving millions of pesos from a payola taken from kickbacks and other corrupt practices in the military.

Spare his family? Didn’t Reyes  think of them before he pocketed those millions? Didn’t his family, particularly his wife, think of their good name and Purificacion before they spent those monies and lived allegedly luxurious lives?

We Filipinos are a forgiving people —  forgiving to a fault. We sweep problems like this under the rug when somebody as important as Reyes dies. Do not speak ill of the dead. The dead, no matter what they did in life, deserve respect.

I agree. But this culture of forgiveness, of burying our sense of justice along with the corrupt departed, is what makes our country such as sorry place. Remember the death of the dictator Ferdinand Marcos? When he died, not a few Filipinos said we should forget what he did and try to move on. Well, newsflash! We tried to move on but we have never moved on. The reason for that is because we lack the proper sense of outrage and even the moral sense to correct the wrongs done to us as a people.

This is not to disrespect the family of Angelo Reyes, let alone his mother. But before they demand  respect  from the public, they ought to show it to the public first.

Death, no matter how dramatic and tragic, should never be used as an occasion to forget a misdeed. Filipinos have done that quite often and look where we are now.

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« Reply #269 on: February 22, 2011, 01:04:15 AM »


well, if you insist, and if it makes you feel any better, dear humble below-average servant who has taken it upon himself to condemn people to perdition, so be it, because i don’t even have the ability to open the bible and i’m too imbecile to know what books comprise the old and the new testament nor do i have the energy such as you have to cut and paste bible passages from the internet. 

let it be said that i truly appreciate your humility as you condemn a suicide to hell, the kind of humility that’s quite in keeping with your revelation that your father had saved millions and calling a grandfather’s farm lot a hacienda in some other threads. 

i suggest you cease and desist from sounding like a religious scholar of sanctimonious proportions because you only end up convincing no one.   


that should not be an excuse for ignorance of the Word of God. Before you object to biblical verses , which are cosignatory to Divine Truth, in conjunction with Holy Tradition, then you should evade in the negative tone in regards to direct passages from the Holy Bible.

You had the audacity to poke fun of the verse from Book of Revelations, as if to indicate that you do not believe in the horsemen of the apocolapyse, as if to infer that you do not believe that the writings of St. John of the Divine, should be taken seriously. Consideringly, it must have been taken seriously since it was approved by the CATHOLIC CHURCH during the compilation of the bible, as well as later being retained by even the protestants , specifically martin luther.

Just to imply lang, my little 'dahlin', before you start shrugging verses from the bible, please also know that these are Divinely Inspired material and were written under the influence of the Holy Spirt on these writers, namely apostles , or disciples.

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« Reply #270 on: February 22, 2011, 01:14:03 AM »
How arrogant of you. To criticize the writer's writing ability, instead of understanding his point of view and body of material that was laid to bare.

what more earthshaking arrogance is there than to declare that someone’s soul is burning in hell?  what a writer writes speaks of him.  it’s as simple as that.  but then simplicity seems beyond you.

the “body of material” that you are referring to here is not necessarily gospel truth; it is just an opinion of a writer.  whether he has some basis or not for such an opinion is beside the point.  the poor guy (reyes) was not even charged with anything yet.  haven’t you heard that a person is innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law, not in the bar of public opinion?

You are interesting, isles, you claim to want a new philippines,

show me any post of mine that claims i want a new philippines.  (don't put words into my nostrils!)

devoid of corruption, but at the moment of one corrupt former military man's death (suicide), you have lost the spark of credibility, and have become a defender. His death does not pardon his crimes, no , no. His death and the reaction of some people to his death indicates how quick people are to forget the crimes. legislative investigators still need to pry open the story and truth from his situation.

frankly, who really cares whether you find me credible or not?  

you presume that he was already guilty and was already a criminal?  poor angelo reyes.  a guy thousands of miles away can dare say he’s already guilty, has dubbed him a criminal, and has consigned his soul to eternal flames, and all because he chose to believe only what he wanted to believe in what he has selectively read and heard.  if that’s not arrogance, i don’t know what is.  

in the progression towards a more responsible government , and a better functioning democracy, investigators must refrain from detractive tendencies of the emotional outburst of the times. it must remain unhindered in the pursuit of justice.

egad, you write worse than the writer of the article i so arrogantly criticized.  (sorry, but my term would have been ‘commented on’ rather than criticized.)  that writer, at least, doesn’t own a short-circuited brain.  what does the ‘it’ in your last sentence refer to here, by the way?  help me, please, so i can fathom better your genius.

reyes' death was his own choosing. his estate and his perpetrators must and should answer to the law. no one is above the law. not even the dead.

please tell me when you find out that a dead person had been put on trial and condemned to death with lethal injection.  i’d be very interested.  i hope you will be the doctor who will certify him dead on arrival at the courtroom.  

i’m wasting my time on you, obviously.  goodnight.



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« Reply #271 on: February 22, 2011, 01:18:19 AM »
hehehe, pasalamat nalang ko nga sa tibo-ok nahong kinabuhi WAA JUD ko kasuway ug basa ug bible :D

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« Reply #272 on: February 22, 2011, 01:21:56 AM »

after your curriculum vitae presentation, i daresay you now qualify as a call center agent in cebu. 


Oh, how arrogant of you. And you think you are higher than a call center agent, because you are a house wife? lol.

Isles, your comments are detractive, clearly, and do not even stick to the point.

PS. Watch your ingrata-like attitude, cebu is known in the philippines as the BPO center of the country, and it is these call center agents, that is responsible for making the Philippines the # IT center in the world (as far as i remember, we recently surpassed India). To say that being a call-center agent is a bad thing.

It's a honest , hard working living. Something that General Angelo Reyes was not known for. Considering he pocketed over 50 Million Pesos.
And where do you think those millions came from? Surely not from the heavens that poured it down on his head. It came from the everyday tax paying Filipino citizen. It came from the call center agents, the doctors, the nurses, the teachers, the lawyers, business owners  etc. People that work for a living.


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« Reply #273 on: February 22, 2011, 01:23:09 AM »
hehehe, pasalamat nalang ko nga sa tibo-ok nahong kinabuhi WAA JUD ko kasuway ug basa ug bible :D

maayo pa ka.  hapit na ko magmahay bisag igo ra kong naka-half shot ug basa. ;)

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« Reply #274 on: February 22, 2011, 01:24:53 AM »
 Calling father ChiCOGON!!! We need your holy Water!!!

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« Reply #275 on: February 22, 2011, 01:26:38 AM »

show me any post of mine that claims i want a new philippines.  (don't put words into my nostrils!)





so, you are a supporter of the status quo? tsk tsk. corruption is okay with you, considering the fact that you are defending Reyes.
not once did you even show disgust towards his actions, his corruption.

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« Reply #276 on: February 22, 2011, 01:33:05 AM »
Oh, how arrogant of you. And you think you are higher than a call center agent, because you are a house wife? lol.

Isles, your comments are detractive, clearly, and do not even stick to the point.

PS. Watch your ingrata-like attitude, cebu is known in the philippines as the BPO center of the country, and it is these call center agents, that is responsible for making the Philippines the # IT center in the world (as far as i remember, we recently surpassed India). To say that being a call-center agent is a bad thing.

It's a honest , hard working living. Something that General Angelo Reyes was not known for. Considering he pocketed over 50 Million Pesos.
And where do you think those millions came from? Surely not from the heavens that poured it down on his head. It came from the everyday tax paying Filipino citizen. It came from the call center agents, the doctors, the nurses, the teachers, the lawyers, business owners  etc. People that work for a living.

:)

f--k off, lorenz.  so you stick to the point, so now you lecture me about cebu and why i shouldn't have this "ingrata-like" attitude because it's the bpo center?  it looks like you were the one insulted for qualifying as a call center agent.  why, you don't want to be at the center of the bpo center even as you are so sure that angelo reyes pocketed 50 million?  f--k off, lorenz.


 

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« Reply #277 on: February 22, 2011, 01:41:34 AM »
so, you are a supporter of the status quo? tsk tsk. corruption is okay with you, considering the fact that you are defending Reyes.
not once did you even show disgust towards his actions, his corruption.

ay, ka luod!

luod gyod tawon ka.  i said show me any post of mine that claims i want a new philippines (because you have declared that i did) and you jump to the conclusion that i favor the status quo?  whew!  when logic was distributed, it looks like you were absent.   

sorry, unlike you, i'm not capable of showing disgust for people who have not been proven guilty, especially dead ones.

mao nga paskang kaluod gyod tawon nimo. 



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« Reply #278 on: February 22, 2011, 01:45:21 AM »
Calling father ChiCOGON!!! We need your holy Water!!!

thanks for the breaker, bqn.  (i wish it were not the wee hours of the morning here.)  tabangi unya ko kun sa pagbendisyon ni fr chic ug holy water, moaso unya ko... ajaw ko bijai... ;D



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« Reply #279 on: February 22, 2011, 02:02:27 AM »
thanks for the breaker, bqn.  (i wish it were not the wee hours of the morning here.)  tabangi unya ko kun sa pagbendisyon ni fr chic ug holy water, moaso unya ko... ajaw ko bijai... ;D



 hehehe, bitaw Isle oi. Asa naman to si father chiCOGON, siya raman joi naai holy water nato ani, kai ako tig silhig raman intawon ko sa kilid sa kalsada atbang sa cathedral ;)

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« Reply #280 on: February 22, 2011, 02:12:45 AM »
hehehe, bitaw Isle oi. Asa naman to si father chiCOGON, siya raman joi naai holy water nato ani, kai ako tig silhig raman intawon ko sa kilid sa kalsada atbang sa cathedral ;)

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« Reply #281 on: February 22, 2011, 02:13:25 AM »
ganahan lagi ko fr chic nga si lorenz si santino ug ako si inday luci. ;D :-X


You still feel that way right now? I can't even put both of you in one cubicle at not fight!!!  ;D

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« Reply #282 on: February 22, 2011, 02:16:03 AM »
You still feel that way right now? I can't even put both of you in one cubicle at not fight!!!  ;D

Asa ba tong 2H20 nako? Kung manginahanglan ta di makita, kung dili naa ra ga patara ahihihi...  ;D

 Pad'z! dili nimo makit-an? Ikaw nalai gamit aning akong silhig ug ikaw nai bahala kon unsa-on nimo pag gamit :D

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« Reply #283 on: February 22, 2011, 02:18:42 AM »
You still feel that way right now? I can't even put both of you in one cubicle at not fight!!!  ;D

Asa ba tong 2H20 nako? Kung manginahanglan ta di makita, kung dili naa ra ga patara ahihihi...  ;D

ay, nauwaw ko.  (ganahan ko kay 'inday' man god.  manash na baya ko, hehe.)  wa kaha imna ni bqn ang 2H2O nimo, fr chic?  ;D 

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« Reply #284 on: February 22, 2011, 02:19:47 AM »
Calling father ChiCOGON!!! We need your holy Water!!!

I must be dreaming!!! I thought I died and went to H--L!!! (ni jumped na baya kos cliff sa akong earlier post kay hopeless case naman ning usa deri tawon). I thought Lorenz said, "I rest my case." Dili man diay I REST MY CASE, HOPELESS CASE man diay  ;D

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« Reply #285 on: February 22, 2011, 02:22:50 AM »
Pad'z! dili nimo makit-an? Ikaw nalai gamit aning akong silhig ug ikaw nai bahala kon unsa-on nimo pag gamit :D

aguy.  ayaw lang tawon nang silhiga ipagamit namo nga sakyanan padung sa... kana bitawng init nga lugar sa mga wa pasayloang makasasala... :-X ;D

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« Reply #286 on: February 22, 2011, 02:26:11 AM »
aguy.  ayaw lang tawon nang silhiga ipagamit namo nga sakyanan padung sa... kana bitawng init nga lugar sa mga wa pasayloang makasasala... :-X ;D

 Isle, ako mong IPALATUZ sa akong silhig ni father chiCOGON! :D hahaha!

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« Reply #287 on: February 22, 2011, 02:28:22 AM »
Isle, ako mong IPALATUZ sa akong silhig ni father chiCOGON! :D hahaha!

sugot ko.  karong holy week lang ha? ;D

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« Reply #288 on: February 22, 2011, 02:29:18 AM »
That's what happens when you take a double major, you become a major pain; double-vision in the least  :P

Oh, how I'm glad to be a Colonel!!!   :P :P :P (nag du-ay)

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« Reply #289 on: February 22, 2011, 02:32:13 AM »
sugot ko.  karong holy week lang ha? ;D

Kahibaw na diay kas imong puasa this Lent 2011 hehehehe  ;D

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« Reply #290 on: February 22, 2011, 02:35:27 AM »
I must be dreaming!!! I thought I died and went to H--L!!! (ni jumped na baya kos cliff sa akong earlier post kay hopeless case naman ning usa deri tawon). I thought Lorenz said, "I rest my case." Dili man diay I REST MY CASE, HOPELESS CASE man diay  ;D

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« Reply #293 on: February 22, 2011, 05:09:22 AM »
f--k off, lorenz.  so you stick to the point, so now you lecture me about cebu and why i shouldn't have this "ingrata-like" attitude because it's the bpo center?  it looks like you were the one insulted for qualifying as a call center agent.  why, you don't want to be at the center of the bpo center even as you are so sure that angelo reyes pocketed 50 million?  f--k off, lorenz.


 

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #294 on: February 22, 2011, 05:13:39 AM »
I must be dreaming!!! I thought I died and went to H--L!!! (ni jumped na baya kos cliff sa akong earlier post kay hopeless case naman ning usa deri tawon). I thought Lorenz said, "I rest my case." Dili man diay I REST MY CASE, HOPELESS CASE man diay  ;D

Tinuod diay jud nga napuno ning akong INBOX aning kukabildo sa duha nga morag iring ug iro (circa Cat Lady vs. Irong Bungoton).  ;D

Calling all CATS and FROGS!!! Heeeeeelp!!!

lol! haha, oh fr. roel uy. na, since you called the frogs, we can't help but to expect the arrival of sri phra hubagavidranathan, the worldly sage. ;D



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #295 on: February 22, 2011, 05:14:53 AM »
That's what happens when you take a double major, you become a major pain; double-vision in the least  :P

Oh, how I'm glad to be a Colonel!!!   :P :P :P (nag du-ay)

General (Anesthetics), where art thou?


hahaha, na, can you imagine if i had made religious studies my third major? i was only 12 credits short from making it my third major ;D



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #296 on: February 22, 2011, 05:23:54 AM »
luod gyod tawon ka.  i said show me any post of mine that claims i want a new philippines (because you have declared that i did) and you jump to the conclusion that i favor the status quo?  whew!  when logic was distributed, it looks like you were absent.   

sorry, unlike you, i'm not capable of showing disgust for people who have not been proven guilty, especially dead ones.

mao nga paskang kaluod gyod tawon nimo. 



oh dear, are you blind as you are deaf to the fact that reyes was indeed guilty? he had received ill-gotten wealth, as he was the head of the AFP under the GMA administration. Was not GMA one of the most corrupt leaders of the philippines ? if an innocent man was truly innocent of a crime/charge, would it be logical , practical for him to shoot himself?

clearly, sweetheart, our good ol' general-politician wasn't all that innocent as his sympathizers say.

the dead are not exempt from their crimes, nor should his apparent suicide place a blanket immunity on his family and fellow corrupt officials such as garcia, etc.

let the legal investigators pry open the family of reyes and identify where this 50 million peso-fortune came from. audit them if they have to.

as i said before, i say again, no one is above the law. not even the dead.

his suicide does not give him (reyes) amnesty nor does it clears his name; it should only increase investigative efforts.



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #297 on: February 22, 2011, 07:11:17 AM »
Thank you for sharing your most illustrious career in biblical study. Unbeknownst to you, my little dear, is that I attended a prestigious private college in the United States. In my stay as a Molecular Biology & European History double major (while under the competitive pre-medical track), i managed to minor in religious studies. I studied the Q'uran for 2 whole semesters, 1 semester on Intensive Middle Eastern History, as well as 1 Semester on Christian Historiography, 1 semester on comparative religious text (bible, tanakh, and the q'uran), let alone was an active member on our Collegiate Catholic Newman's Society (a collegiate body that focused on catholic study, as well as intensive biblical study).

I may be a 'plebe', but I dare say, you should watch your mouth in your comparatives, little lady.

I was also humbly selected as a Collegiate Trustees Scholar (through my humble knowledge in things, was awarded a scholarship of over $35,000 + an additional $ 75,000;  then selected as one of 15 students out of a list of 500 to attend a study abroad program in the Ukraine..which was based on one's GPA and academic standing). But of course, a person of little knowledge like me cannot compare, dare i even blink, to the likes of you....


Pathetic...  :'(





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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #298 on: February 22, 2011, 07:14:50 AM »
It always saddens me when I encounter a person who is educated beyond his intelligence.  :'(







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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #299 on: February 22, 2011, 12:06:20 PM »
It shows to tell you, "dahlin" that both of us are able to talk about biblical passages concerning that part of the discussion. My inference of my education (as minimal as it is) shows to tell you that you going to a private catholic school (arent' most schools in the philippines, catholic?)

no, not most schools in the philippines are catholic.  you don’t know much about the country of your birth, after all.   the latest available data show that of the more than 43 thousand schools in the country, only a little over a thousand are private.  of these, only over 200 identify themselves as catholic schools.     

does not make you higher than i, especially in regards to discussing about biblical verses.

naturally, it does not, must not make me higher than you.  it simply allowed me to tell you that i’m pissed off with your sanctimony.

Still, that does not  efface the fact that you erroneously mistook Revelations, 1 Corinthians, and 1 John as old testament since i strictly made reference to new testament verses.

it does not, it should not, because you love it so, as if pointing out this error as you perceive it, as if focusing on this (why?  is this your only lifeblood to your self-righteousness?) and magnifying it by repetition as you repeat your condemnation of angelo reyes would make you right.  how cheap.

that said,  i would suggest you realign your own readings and to re-read the bible

i will, dear master, i will, after i'm done with you.  (and i'm being kind if i said it would be light years away.)  incidentally, have you, by chance, already gotten hold of the jerusalem bible?

before you start lecturing on who is qualified or unqualified to read and share words from Holy Scripture. Unless you are biblical theologian (with a Ph.D in divinity) then you are not in the position to tell me if i am able or not able to share my own inference, which directly supports my points that i have continuously supported through this discussion.

and because you have no phd in divinity you can claim that your own inference is the only true one because it is the only true one that supports your points?  that's what's known as presumptuous.  meanwhile, unless you are a biblical theologian (with a phd in divinity), you have no right to keep on insisting with your own inference just to make yourself feel right about consigning someone to hell.  i correct myself; even a biblical theologian (with a phd in divinity) is not in the position to consign anyone to hell.


Oh, na, not so harsh diba?

;)


you were never harsh, lorenz.  in fact, you are the kindest animal on the planet, with more than enough kindness to spare for the soul of angelo reyes.



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