Author Topic: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably? (Read 37225 times)

hubag bohol · « **Reply #40 on:** February 16, 2011, 12:32:23 AM »

abi ko gid man na gira na gid ining trida daw may ara gid sina sang apokalips haw

Apokalipstolips sang indi manugtiayon maoy manughatod sang katawhan sang ingpirno apokalips haw.

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BolBuhol · « **Reply #41 on:** February 16, 2011, 12:35:05 AM »

Apokalipstolips sang indi manugtiayon maoy manughatod sang katawhan sang ingpirno apokalips haw.

singlerlis damo gid sang tao ginatomod

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #42 on:** February 16, 2011, 01:18:43 AM »

singlerlis damo gid sang tao ginatomod

Gastsimbir ang sang Singlerlis ya, pero bitaw salbahis gid man.

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islander · « **Reply #43 on:** February 16, 2011, 09:58:13 AM »

Gastsimbir ang sang Singlerlis ya, pero bitaw salbahis gid man.

maon hang hitlersalut imon espisyalti, to? sa amon sili lang ang hang.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #44 on:** February 16, 2011, 10:07:42 AM »

maon hang hitlersalut imon espisyalti, to? sa amon sili lang ang hang.

Kabisado ko gid man ang adir sayd ob Hitler ya, supiryur ris gid ini haw.

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chicogon · « **Reply #45 on:** February 16, 2011, 10:15:42 AM »

ANGEL O REYES... Angel or King

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #46 on:** February 16, 2011, 11:25:11 AM »

Suicide is an unpardonable Sin. His soul is now burning in eternal fires of hell.

Only God know's what happen to Mr. Angelo Reyes who knows before the bullet hit him he actually have conversation with God and repent his sin. So it is very uncharitable for all of us to judge him nga tua naa siya sa Hell. We can never know the mind of another person, or the state of their soul. That is known to God alone.
Ang Ginoo ray nasayod.God may still have forgiven him because his love and compassion are endless and we have no idea to the extent of Gods power is..

The tiniest gesture of faith can save a person. A man who embraces a crucifix on his deathbed can gain the kingdom of God. Once a woman told St. John Vianney that she was devastated because her husband had committed suicide. In a moment of mystical insight that only a great saint can receive, John Vianney exclaimed, "He is saved!" The woman was incredulous so the saint repeated, stressing each word, "I tell you he is saved. He is in Purgatory, and you must pray for him. Between the parapet of the bridge and the water he had time to make an act of contrition."*

God can save a person in an instance - by a single act of faith.

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chicogon · « **Reply #47 on:** February 16, 2011, 01:28:03 PM »

Only God know's what happen to Mr. Angelo Reyes who knows before the bullet hit him he actually have conversation with God and repent his sin. So it is very uncharitable for all of us to judge him nga tua naa siya sa Hell. We can never know the mind of another person, or the state of their soul. That is known to God alone.
Ang Ginoo ray nasayod.God may still have forgiven him because his love and compassion are endless and we have no idea to the extent of Gods power is..

The tiniest gesture of faith can save a person. A man who embraces a crucifix on his deathbed can gain the kingdom of God. Once a woman told St. John Vianney that she was devastated because her husband had committed suicide. In a moment of mystical insight that only a great saint can receive, John Vianney exclaimed, "He is saved!" The woman was incredulous so the saint repeated, stressing each word, "I tell you he is saved. He is in Purgatory, and you must pray for him. Between the parapet of the bridge and the water he had time to make an act of contrition."*

God can save a person in an instance - by a single act of faith.

Mao nay saktong Kristiyano... he/she knows he/she is not God!!!

Morag si San Juan Bautista!!!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #48 on:** February 17, 2011, 01:29:38 AM »

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that "Christ conferred the power to forgive sins only upon the apostles and their successors" (Spirago, Francis and Clarke, Richard. The Catechism Explained: An Exhaustive Explanation of the Catholic Religion, TAN Publishing, 1994). The Anglican and Eastern Orthodox communities generally agree with the Catholic Church on this position, though they challenge the Vatican's assertion that it solely represents apostolic authority today.

This is why "last rites" are given. So, if a person commits suicide, then presumably he or she has not had "last rites" administered, and he or she enters eternity with unconfessed sins (including and especially the final act of taking one's own life).

Considering Angelo Reyes was not given last rites prior to his suicide, and since he took his life in such an act of desperation, his soul passed with unconfessed sin. He was, however, given Catholic burial.

I pray that God was just and merciful in his judgment. If his soul was spared the fires of hell and is in purgatory, then it is by the mercy of God who alone offers the breath of salvation.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #49 on:** February 17, 2011, 01:36:05 AM »

Only God know's what happen to Mr. Angelo Reyes who knows before the bullet hit him he actually have conversation with God and repent his sin. So it is very uncharitable for all of us to judge him nga tua naa siya sa Hell. We can never know the mind of another person, or the state of their soul. That is known to God alone.
Ang Ginoo ray nasayod.God may still have forgiven him because his love and compassion are endless and we have no idea to the extent of Gods power is..

The tiniest gesture of faith can save a person. A man who embraces a crucifix on his deathbed can gain the kingdom of God. Once a woman told St. John Vianney that she was devastated because her husband had committed suicide. In a moment of mystical insight that only a great saint can receive, John Vianney exclaimed, "He is saved!" The woman was incredulous so the saint repeated, stressing each word, "I tell you he is saved. He is in Purgatory, and you must pray for him. Between the parapet of the bridge and the water he had time to make an act of contrition."*

God can save a person in an instance - by a single act of faith.

To Raquel and Father, yes that is indeed true. A single act of faith and repentance could have been powerful enough to grant his soul salvation from the eternal fires of hell. Since he shot himself in the chest, meaning his death was not as instant as a gun shot to the head--he could have , hypothetically speaking, asked God for his forgiveness as he was dying.

My point is that suicide is in itself a moral violation , and a direct grave offense to the Life God has given us all stewardship of.

If we sin, if we have premarital sex, if we commit sins, and if these sins are so great that drives us to make penance through the Sacrament of Reconciliation, then the sins are absolved. Totally and Absolutely.

However, when an individual commits suicide, he or she denies the possiblity of repentance through the sacrament of reconciliation.

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I will pray that God was merciful to Mr. Reyes. One can only hope for the saving grace of God--who searches all souls and sees truths behind lies.

Mr. Reyes should not have despaired. I can tell he was tormented severely by the devil , who hounded him to shoot himself. To escape the troubles of his life--a short term solution to such a short term problem.

The issue here is the long term. Eternal Life and the state of Grace.

I pray that God was merciful to him.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #50 on:** February 17, 2011, 01:39:04 AM »

Mao nay saktong Kristiyano... he/she knows he/she is not God!!!

Morag si San Juan Bautista!!!

Of course, Fr. Roel. It is important for us to remind each other pood not to commit suicide. Because the act of suicide, is giving in to the temptation of the devil. It is the thesis of total despair. God does not want us to despair, he is the opposite of despair. He is the source of faith, hope, preservation, perserverance.

Christ died on the Cross for us all, so that we may have life through Him. All of our lives are precious to Him.

The act of taking it, is an affront to God who so died on the cross for us.

God Bless.
Just sharing my view lang, Fr. Roel.

Peace to all.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #51 on:** February 17, 2011, 01:49:02 AM »

The suicide of Reyes and the loss of power of President Mubarak of Egypt this week is a lesson to us all.

1. The wealthy and powerful today are not so 'untouchable' as we speak.

-The reason why I say this is because both men led a corrupt life, a life of taking advantage of institution at hand, which ultimately will give way to truth. Mubarak, who was president of Egypt for over 30 year cede power to the protesters after a long standing revolt. To think that 3 weeks ago, this man sat as the modern day Pharaoh of Egypt, whose wealth is beyond 80 Billion Dollars. Now where is his wealth? Where is his power? He lost everything and learned a lesson late in his life--that is that God does not forget nor is God deaf and blind. Justice will come. God humbles those who take advantage of the poor and maligns those who are powerless. God's Justice may not be immediate, but His justice is surely definite and accords itself in His own time. Through His Grace.

As for Mr. Reyes, whatever life he lived, the corruption scandal that ate away at him, must have been so grave to have led him to despair and abandon life through suicide. His secrets that were made in the dark were revealed. And will always be revealed. He could not withstand the effects of the Truth, unforunately.

Truth will always come out, as what Holy Roman Catholic Bible reminds us brothers and sisters in Christ:

Luke 12:2-3

2For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known.

3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

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islander · « **Reply #52 on:** February 17, 2011, 08:30:41 AM »

This is why "last rites" are given. So, if a person commits suicide, then presumably he or she has not had "last rites" administered, and he or she enters eternity with unconfessed sins (including and especially the final act of taking one's own life).

if our faith is this hard and fast and strict, pity the car crash or shooting victims, including those who accidentally shoot themselves, who had died with unconfessed sins and had no chance for last rites.

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islander · « **Reply #53 on:** February 17, 2011, 09:04:04 AM »

To Raquel and Father, yes that is indeed true. A single act of faith and repentance could have been powerful enough to grant his soul salvation from the eternal fires of hell. Since he shot himself in the chest, meaning his death was not as instant as a gun shot to the head--he could have , hypothetically speaking, asked God for his forgiveness as he was dying.

and hypothetically speaking, he must have asked god for forgiveness because he must have mulled long and hard over his final decision. he even said "i'm sorry" to his own sons.

My point is that suicide is in itself a moral violation , and a direct grave offense to the Life God has given us all stewardship of.

so are all sins as we know them.

If we sin, if we have premarital sex, if we commit sins, and if these sins are so great that drives us to make penance through the Sacrament of Reconciliation, then the sins are absolved. Totally and Absolutely.

However, when an individual commits suicide, he or she denies the possiblity of repentance through the sacrament of reconciliation.

both premarital sex and suicide are sins, on that we are agreed. why distinguish between the two? because in the latter one ends his life? what happens if in a premarital sex the man died of a heart attack and had no time to repent?

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I will pray that God was merciful to Mr. Reyes. One can only hope for the saving grace of God--who searches all souls and sees truths behind lies.

Mr. Reyes should not have despaired. I can tell he was tormented severely by the devil , who hounded him to shoot himself. To escape the troubles of his life--a short term solution to such a short term problem.

The issue here is the long term. Eternal Life and the state of Grace.

the issue here is that we cannot render judgments on other people especially when it comes to his relationship with his god. more so is it not for us to consign them to the eternal fires of hell.

I pray that God was merciful to him.

pray too that you will be just as merciful. god in all his mercy takes care of his own.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #54 on:** February 17, 2011, 09:05:48 AM »

Thank You , always, for sharing your view, Isles.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #55 on:** February 17, 2011, 09:17:23 AM »

If we sin, if we have premarital sex, if we commit sins, and if these sins are so great that drives us to make penance through the Sacrament of Reconciliation, then the sins are absolved. Totally and Absolutely.

Hay salamat, Sacrament of Reconciliation ra diay ang akong gikinahanglan...

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #56 on:** February 17, 2011, 09:20:47 AM »

I am sorry Mr. Reyes, but you cannot escape The Final Judge and His Judgment..where you are going. You may have evaded Philippine Justice, but you cannot hide from Providence now.

Suicide is an unpardonable Sin. His soul is now burning in eternal fires of hell.

Hmm, dili pa diay ni final and executory? Madala pag hilot?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #57 on:** February 17, 2011, 09:23:45 AM »

and hypothetically speaking, he must have asked god for forgiveness because he must have mulled long and hard over his final decision. he even said "i'm sorry" to his own sons.

so are all sins as we know them.

both premarital sex and suicide are sins, on that we are agreed. why distinguish between the two? because in the latter one ends his life? what happens if in a premarital sex the man died of a heart attack and had no time to repent?

the issue here is that we cannot render judgments on other people especially when it comes to his relationship with his god. more so is it not for us to consign them to the eternal fires of hell.

pray too that you will be just as merciful. god in all his mercy takes care of his own.

We believe that the Holy Bible is the Word of God. Written and sealed with his Divine approval through the auspices of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, the One True Church.

Suicide is a form of murder. Killing one's own self. Now that is said, let us look at what the Holy Roman Catholic Bible says about murder, murderers and those who will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. (Note that I am merely reiterating the Word of God).

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 6: 9-11

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

-Revelation 21:8

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Angelo Reyes abandoned that faith the moment he took his own life. I do pray that God was merciful to him in the end.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #58 on:** February 17, 2011, 09:26:54 AM »

Hay salamat, Sacrament of Reconciliation ra diay ang akong gikinahanglan...

Of course. Whatever sin you may have, or whomever, they may be red as scarlet, but when you receive the sacrament of reconciliation, it will become white as snow. Purified by the Mercy of God.

Speaking as a sinner, and from what my priest tells me-- difficulties are constant. Salvation is an ever- constant progress. One must work out his own salvation in Christ Jesus. Reconciliation is necessary. It reestablishes the umbilical cord between man (us) and our Savior Lord Jesus Christ.

God Bless!!!

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islander · « **Reply #59 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:09:48 AM »

Thank You , always, for sharing your view, Isles.

most welcome. thanks too for sharing your own.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #60 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:14:59 AM »

The true plan of salvation is repentance towards God and faith in Christ Jesus (Acts 20:21). We prove our repentance by our deeds (Acts 26:20). The Lord Jesus taught the road to life is "hard" and only a "few" will find it (Mt. 7:13,14, ). Many get saved, but afterwards fall away (Lk. 8:13; Jn. 6:66; 1 Tim. 1:19; etc.). In other words, after initial salvation we must endure to the "end" to enter the kingdom of God and escape the lake of fire (Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Eternal life comes to the repentant the moment such believe on Jesus for salvation (Jn. 3:16; 6:47; 1 Jn. 5:12,13), but there is another important aspect of eternal life that many are totally unware of in our day because of the false teaching of eternal security. According to true grace teaching, eternal life is also a HOPE (Titus 3:7), yet to be REAPED (Gal. 6:8,9) in the AGE TO COME (Mk. 10:30) for only the ones who PERSIST IN DOING GOOD (Rom. 2:7) and DO NOT GROW WEARY AND GIVE UP (Gal. 6:9).

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islander · « **Reply #61 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:20:42 AM »

Hmm, dili pa diay ni final and executory? Madala pag hilot?

looks like. amid all the theological musings and biblical quotations, we're actually talking of the same chances for forgiveness, from different angles. we just tend to be harder on other sinners than on ourselves.

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islander · « **Reply #62 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:25:49 AM »

Angelo Reyes abandoned that faith the moment he took his own life. I do pray that God was merciful to him in the end.

hey, this is different, and quite brash and judgmental. does one abandon one's faith when he goes to bed with his girlfriend? do you?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #63 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:27:24 AM »

hey, this is different, and quite brash and judgmental. does one abandon one's faith when he goes to bed with his girlfriend? do you?

love and murder is different. you are presuming that i have sex with my gf. do not presume. one can cuddle without having sex. cold blooded murder , such as abortion and suicide, is a violation of God's Law. It is a mortal sin.

the point is, when one commits suicide, there is no sacrament of reconciliation. the soul enters eternity in a state of unforgiveness and mortal sin.

by presuming, you are judging. you yourself are being a hypocrite.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #64 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:28:17 AM »

we just tend to be harder on other sinners than on ourselves.

Sounds like pure and simple hypocrisy to me.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #65 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:31:50 AM »

Sounds like pure and simple hypocrisy to me.

It is merely telling and sharing biblical truth. As for the self, i am a sinner. However, it is important to tell people that suicide is wrong.

Despite what the bible says about Reyes' fate, I do pray for him. May God grant peace and strength to his family in this time of loss.

of course, you dont have to agree if you find yourself at odds with biblical truth. it still will be shared and reiterated.

Peace!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #66 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:33:19 AM »

Hypocrisy is a fashionable vice, and all fashionable vices pass for virtue. --Moliere

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #67 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:35:27 AM »

Hypocrisy is a fashionable vice, and all fashionable vices pass for virtue. --Moliere

not all fashion should be followed, Nong.

If the devil tells you to jump of a bridge because it is a fashionable vice, that does not mean you should jump off head first.

ang mga bu-ang ra pood mo ambak.

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islander · « **Reply #68 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:45:35 AM »

love and murder is different. you are presuming that i have sex with my gf. do not presume. one can cuddle without having sex. cold blooded murder , such as abortion and suicide, is a violation of God's Law. It is a mortal sin.

sorry. it was a hypothetical question, ripe for the picking considering what a lover boy you seem to be in some of your posts. i should have known better than to deduce from your posts that you're no longer a virgin. you must be, and i thank god. you must be smelling heaven in your midst.

but are there other graduations of sin aside from the venial and mortal qualifications? is fornication less of a sin than suicide?

the point is, when one commits suicide, there is no sacrament of reconciliation. the soul enters eternity in a sate of unforgiveness and mortal sin.

herein lies the difference. you presume that suicides are bereft of forgiveness from god because of the absence of the sacrament of reconciliation. so poor accident victims who didn't know what hit them, especially those who've just been from an orgy. they also are bereft of the the sacrament of reconciliation.

my point is that we have a forgiving god and it is not for us to presume that others, such as someone like angelo reyes, deserve hell's eternal fire, as you have so declared.

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islander · « **Reply #69 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:48:48 AM »

by presuming, you are judging. you yourself are being a hypocrite.

not so great a hypocrite as you are, though. and thus i will never presume that angelo reyes deserves the eternal fires of hell.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #70 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:54:09 AM »

sorry. it was a hypothetical question, ripe for the picking considering what a lover boy you seem to be in some of your posts. i should have known better than to deduce from your posts that you're no longer a virgin. you must be, and i thank god. you must be smelling heaven in your midst.

but are there other graduations of sin aside from the venial and mortal qualifications? is fornication less of a sin than suicide?

herein lies the difference. you presume that suicides are bereft of forgiveness from god because of the absence of the sacrament of reconciliation. so poor accident victims who didn't know what hit them, especially those who've just been from an orgy. they also are bereft of the the sacrament of reconciliation.

my point is that we have a forgiving god and it is not for us to presume that others, such as someone like angelo reyes, deserve hell's eternal fire, as you have so declared.

and i forgive you, isles. sexuality is a natural state for us all ; im sure you have a sexuality in you that you may not share to the public, same goes for your husband. sexuality in its purest form and true form with love towards the other person , one that comes from God is acceptable. It is the basis for a holy family to be created. A husband, and wife require sexuality in order to procreate.

I would direct you to read the Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church to answer your queries.

Reconciliation is important. This is why last rites are pertinent for those who are ill. It is the last time we have as living beings to repent of our sins and to be in a state of Grace when we meet our God.

Reyes killed himself because of his PRIDE. He was too proud to be placed in a court and scrutinized, to be subjected to political questionings. His pride of self led to his neglection of Christian Teachings. Instead of coming to God for strength, he abandoned everything. Selfish, greed, and pride and pre-meditated murder. He left this life with no state of Grace. He met his God in that same state. And he was judged accordingly.

It is clear what the Holy Catholic Bible says about the fate of murderers, and unrepentant sinners. Same goes for those who deny Jesus Christ as Lord. Theirs is the fate of the eternal hell fire. It is clear in Revelation, The Word of God.

PEACE!!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #71 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:55:33 AM »

not all fashion should be followed, Nong.

If the devil tells you to jump of a bridge because it is a fashionable vice, that does not mean you should jump off head first.

ang mga bu-ang ra pood mo ambak.

Wa man diay ka kakuha sa buot ipasabot ni Moliere.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #72 on:** February 17, 2011, 10:57:50 AM »

Wa man diay ka kakuha sa buot ipasabot ni Moliere.

hehe i did, but i answered it lang accordingly. Peace!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #73 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:00:40 AM »

hehe i did, but i answered it lang accordingly. Peace!

Aw, lihay jud aron di mahiagtang...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #74 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:01:28 AM »

not so great a hypocrite as you are, though. and thus i will never presume that angelo reyes deserves the eternal fires of hell.

Romans 3:23 "For All have sinned before the Eyes of God."

You are not holier than anyone, isles. nor am i. we are all ash in the eyes of God. Sinners with the only hope of salvation in Christ Jesus.

Peace with you!!!!

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chicogon · « **Reply #75 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:35:03 AM »

I'm glad the brother Enz I know is but a Tubag Bohol member and a brazen Catholic defender wannabe, and not heaven or hell's gatekeeper because you really scare the s*** out of me

For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. (Jn 3:17)

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chicogon · « **Reply #76 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:45:55 AM »

Hmm, dili pa diay ni final and executory? Madala pag hilot?

Dili pa pero pagbantay kay ilawog kas tirong inig abot didto sa tumoy!!! Bwahahaha!!!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #77 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:57:23 AM »

Dili pa pero pagbantay kay ilawog kas tirong inig abot didto sa tumoy!!! Bwahahaha!!!

Oops, magmahay diay ta nga wa ta maminaw sa atong resident Catholic theologian kon maohon...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #78 on:** February 17, 2011, 12:12:49 PM »

Oops, magmahay diay ta nga wa ta maminaw sa atong resident Catholic theologian kon maohon...

hehe dili theologian, just an avid reader of the Holy Bible. Questioning and talking about the Word is part of the process in knowing and getting to talk to God.

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
-Hebrews 4:12

As my good friend and mentor, Fr. Mark Hofman told me, "Not everything we read in the bible may come to our liking, it may even embarass us, or even come at odds with our viewpoints, but it is what it is."

You don't have to listen , Nong. No one will force you to listen, that is all up to the individual.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #79 on:** February 17, 2011, 12:16:11 PM »

I'm glad the brother Enz I know is but a Tubag Bohol member and a brazen Catholic defender wannabe, and not heaven or hell's gatekeeper because you really scare the s*** out of me

Hardcore Catholic. Pre-Vatican II thought. Sorry lang Fr. Roel if my opinion is strong.

Did not the apostles themselves disagree whom to preach to after the death of Christ? If I can remember, even the old apostles , some of them were against the inclusion of Paul (formerly Saul) as an apostle. It was Peter, the unifier, that calmed the situation.

With Love,
Bran

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