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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #160 on: February 20, 2011, 03:31:23 AM »
Really? Bwahaha!

Of course. Tubag Bohol Dot Com is different from other forums.

This forum brings out the bright minds. This is why this forum is continuing to stay strong even after 4 years of existence.

Tubag Bohol thrives on intellectual minds.

You yourself, Nong, are an intellectual.



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #161 on: February 20, 2011, 03:32:06 AM »
Amen!!!  ;)

Kadugayan moluhod na jud ko ani kay magsige na lang tag ingon ug "amen."

It's good to admit sa atong pagka tawhanon and dare not tread on something which has not been assigned to us.

"For fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

You are right. I will acquiesce to this. I have been soundly corrected.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #162 on: February 20, 2011, 03:34:28 AM »
Pwede ba nga mo-propose ko nga ato na ni isira (lock) nga thread aron dili na masumpayan ang panaglantugi nga wala lang unyay sangputanan?

Atong hinumduman nga samtang sa atong pagkukabildo, adunay mga bana nga gidunggaban sa asawa kay wa i-date niadtong Valentines Day.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #163 on: February 20, 2011, 03:35:45 AM »
If i may have sounded pretentious to you, Nong, please know that it was not intended to be pretentious. Perhaps you should not judge me as pretentious intellectually when you have not ever met me, nor ever talked to me face to face.

I think you're pretentious only as far as this forum goes. I don't discount the possibility that, in person, you will strike me as even more so.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #164 on: February 20, 2011, 03:38:21 AM »
Pwede ba nga mo-propose ko nga ato na ni isira (lock) nga thread aron dili na masumpayan ang panaglantugi nga wala lang unyay sangputanan?

Isira, no problem with me. Pero kuydawo nga naay papason nga post...

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #165 on: February 20, 2011, 03:39:04 AM »
I respect that there will always be differences. Note that civility will be initiated.

Mike. There is no need to lock this thread. It should remain open for us to discuss the subject matter.

I will no longer entertain unrelated material in this thread.

Let us get back to the subject.



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #166 on: February 20, 2011, 03:40:36 AM »
I think you're pretentious only as far as this forum goes. I don't discount the possibility that, in person, you will strike me as even more so.

You have every right to think and believe what you chose to believe, Nong.
I said all that I had to say.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #167 on: February 20, 2011, 03:42:16 AM »
You have every right to think and believe what you chose to believe, Nong.
I have said all I had to say.

You said earlier (just recently erased) that you're done with me. I was done with you long ago.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #168 on: February 20, 2011, 03:47:20 AM »
You are right. I will acquiesce to this. I have been soundly corrected.

Thank you. The next time you decide to go back UP again to enjoy mountaineering, please bring us along. While misery loves company, so do adventure and enlightenment!!! Let's bring the Dalai Lama along!!!  ;D



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« Reply #169 on: February 20, 2011, 03:48:51 AM »
Trust me, I tried, Nong. I was done with you long ago, but something within me thought that differences could be put aside, and hostilities ceased. The case here is not me, but you.

But, as in the case of Angelo Reyes, one cannot resuscitate what is already gone.



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #170 on: February 20, 2011, 03:50:18 AM »
Thank you. The next time you decide to go back UP again to enjoy mountaineering, please bring us along. While misery loves company, so do adventure and enlightenment!!! Let's bring the Dalai Lama along!!!  ;D



Hahaha. Just for you, Pops.





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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #171 on: February 20, 2011, 03:54:08 AM »
It was really frustrating, for me, as a Filipino that he killed himself just like that. i think it was an easy way out for him, so frustrating, because the truth didnt come up. and what about the high hierarchy of the corrupt people behind of Mr. Reyes? will just laugh out loud kasi abswelto na naman sila? God Bless, Philippines!


No he did not. He died without honor. There is no honor in suicide.

An honorable death is Jesus on the Cross. Dying for those who are not deservant of life.

An honorable death is that of Pope John Paul II, who died preaching , and who forgave his would be assassin Mehmet Ali Ağca , even befriending him in the process.




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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #172 on: February 20, 2011, 04:00:48 AM »
This forum brings out the bright minds. This is why this forum is continuing to stay strong even after 4 years of existence.

I can but admire your impeccable logic.

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« Reply #173 on: February 20, 2011, 04:04:32 AM »
Trust me, I tried, Nong. I was done with you long ago, but something within me thought that differences could be put aside, and hostilities ceased. The case here is not me, but you.

But, as in the case of Angelo Reyes, one cannot resuscitate what is already gone.

After your gratuitous injuries upon me, you sought the "Sacrament of Reconciliation" from me. Unfortunately, unlike you, I'm not God.

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« Reply #174 on: February 20, 2011, 04:06:49 AM »
I'm not even a tiny portion of who Fr. Chic is.

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« Reply #175 on: February 20, 2011, 04:14:47 AM »
No one is God but God, Nong. Correctohon lang ka nako in case your mind is a bit off.

No you are not like Fr. Roel. That is true. :)




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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #176 on: February 20, 2011, 04:18:29 AM »
I'm not even a tiny portion of who Fr. Chic is.

Ssssh. Pasanginlan na sad ko ay. I don't claim to be somebody (maybe a some "body" for I never stop to expand) nor a nobody. I'm ChicogoN. No more, no less. Who started this Fr. Chic?  :P

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« Reply #177 on: February 20, 2011, 04:20:14 AM »
No one is God but God, Nong. Correctohon lang ka nako in case your mind is a bit off.

No you are not like Fr. Roel. That is true. :)

Back to the topic.

If you call me Chic and him Hubag, then maybe we're one and the same.  ;D

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« Reply #178 on: February 20, 2011, 04:23:03 AM »
If you call me Chic and him Hubag, then maybe we're one and the same.  ;D

Hubagang Chic woi!!!  :D :D



I must say that that is the first time I ever heard of that term, 'Hubagang Chic', Father. Isn't that a term for a pregnant woman?
lol joke!  ;D

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« Reply #179 on: February 20, 2011, 04:23:05 AM »
No one is God but God, Nong. Correctohon lang ka nako in case your mind is a bit off.

No you are not like Fr. Roel. That is true. :)


Back to the topic.

OK, back to the topic. You said, and I quote:

Suicide is an unpardonable Sin. His soul is now burning in eternal fires of hell.

Bwahaha!  ;D

Hilom na tawon, Doy, oi. Ajaw palabig jama-jama. Go to other threads, leave this one alone kay di na ka kapanghambog diri.

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« Reply #180 on: February 20, 2011, 04:27:05 AM »
So you are saying that Revelations holds no standing? Nor does the passage from 1 John?

Dili ni jamama ahong gi tugan, Nong. Basis ni sa Biblical passage. Dili Protestant Bible , by the way, but from the Catholic one.

Tho there really is no difference in Protestant and Catholic versions of the bible in regards to the passages in Book of Revelation.



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« Reply #181 on: February 20, 2011, 04:30:20 AM »
Ssssh. Pasanginlan na sad ko ay. I don't claim to be somebody (maybe a some "body" for I never stop to expand) nor a nobody. I'm ChicogoN. No more, no less. Who started this Fr. Chic?  :P

Well, I take you as somebody who knows Catholicism better than anyone else is this forum, that's all. You're Chicogon to me, yes, will all the due respect I give to everyone who deserves it. I started calling you Fr. Chic when I noticed others deferring to you. Otherwise, I treat you as an equal, however presumptuous that might sound.

Bitaw, parehas man ta sa atong attitude diri ba, mag-serious lang kon mapiit...  ;D

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« Reply #182 on: February 20, 2011, 04:34:38 AM »
Bitaw, parehas man ta sa atong attitude diri ba, mag-serious lang kon mapiit...  ;D

Morag iring... mopyaet lang kung maipit.  ;D

Apan sa panahon sa linaw, kamolog harana ug togtog sa musika sa kasadya...

Si Gracia ga una2x aning Fr. Chic...

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« Reply #183 on: February 20, 2011, 04:35:11 AM »
It is just lately when Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago regarded the AFP's retired Secretary General Angelo Reyes as "a dead man walking", because of his involvement in the recently unveiled corruption in AFP funds. Today, people are staggered upon hearing the news telling that Angelo Reyes is dead. He is dead not because he was killed but rather he committed suicide.

Earlier today, at exactly 8:32 in the morning, retired General Angelo Reyes of AFP was declared dead by the Quirino hospital doctors who tried to save his life. He was brought to the hospital by concerned citizens who found him wounded and blooded at the Loyola Memorial Park at around 7:00 this morning. According to the witnesses, the General shot himself right in front of his parents' grave.

People are now asking if what makes the ex-general killed himself. Would it be the recent AFP issue involving himself? Does it mean he is guilty as charged?

When Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago said the Reyes is a "dead man walking", for sure the secretary did not think of the general's actual death. It is just a metaphor that somehow portrays the current and future life Reyes has and is supposed to face. And somehow, Santiago's words coincide on the latest suicidal act of General Reyes. Perhaps, Reyes thought that there is no way for him to escape from being punished. But that is, if he really thought he is guilty as charged.

Just with the testimony given by Commission On Audit (COA) auditor Heidi Mendoza, people can tell how credible the accusation against the ex-generals of AFP is. And basing on the replies of the accused personnel during the Senate hearings, people can also sense a lie. Yet, they remained consistent with their answer that goes, "Sorry, I couldn't remember." Therefore, it is more than just an accusation. It is but the truth that these whistleblowers and witnesses are trying to disclose, to let all Filipinos become aware of it.

The truth regarding corruption in military funds is now becoming a widespread buzz online and offline. As a matter of fact, this issue has already reached the United Nations, where AFP's Php200 million fund really came from. It was given as UN's donation for the Armed Forces of the Philippines, for the betterment of the Philippine army. But the leaking issue on AFP fund scam has really disappointed the United Nations, saying that their donation was just misused. Like the Philippines, the United Nations is also conducting relevant investigation on this matter.

Considering that not only the Philippines' Senate Blue Ribbon Committee is investigating the issue, maybe Reyes came to realize that he has no escape. Perhaps, he could neither sleep nor eat. As an ex-military, he only has two possible alternatives, either admit it and be punished or end everything by killing himself. He made up his mind and today, he chose to do the latter. And now Angelo Reyes is dead.

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« Reply #184 on: February 20, 2011, 04:37:48 AM »
So you are saying that Revelations holds no standing? Nor does the passage from 1 John?

Dili ni jamama ahong gi tugan, Nong. Basis ni sa Biblical passage. Dili Protestant Bible , by the way, but from the Catholic one.

Tho there really is no difference in Protestant and Catholic versions of the bible in regards to the passages in Book of Rev

Unya, tell me Yes or No, sakto tong imong giingon nga:

Suicide is an unpardonable Sin. His soul is now burning in eternal fires of hell.

Ha? Ayaw dihag lihay-lihay! Naminaw si Fr. Chic. Sigi, birada! Mora man pud tag buringog ani!  :P

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« Reply #185 on: February 20, 2011, 04:40:03 AM »
This response was from kemjiu in response to the question " why did Angelo Reyes commit suicide" ?

Guilt's are the worst thing that maybe didn't make him rest a while, it keep his thoughts loaded by shame and embarrassment that he give within himself, his family, friends and government institution that he is working with during his active service.

Such action prove his selfishness because he didn't even bother to clean his name, but we can't assume and fully understood what's really behind on him about said actions, maybe deeply, there are something more that this scandalous issue may divulge towards him and people's involve, and ending his life will not going to submerge other people into the grave of disgrace.

The question is, is such action really helps, I think NO.


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« Reply #186 on: February 20, 2011, 04:46:21 AM »
From odlanyer:

Easy way out. I don't mean to disrespect him but that's how I feel about this. I don't believed that GMA has nothing to do with these corruptions. These things has been happening for a long long time. It was just being ignored because of their cuts.
If he live, he don't have a choice but to tell and implicate those people involved and I'm pretty sure he's trying to avoid doing that.
Corruption in the Philippines is a cancer with no panacea. It is in an advance decaying stage. Hopeless. Sorry to say.


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« Reply #187 on: February 20, 2011, 04:50:29 AM »
What does Revelation say, Nong? What does the Book of Revelation Chapter 21 say, Nong?



 And The Lord said unto me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.  The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Revelation 21: 7-8

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« Reply #188 on: February 20, 2011, 04:55:55 AM »
What does Revelation say, Nong? What does the Book of Revelation Chapter 21 say, Nong?



 And The Lord said unto me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.  The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Revelation 21: 7-8

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation21.htm

Hilom na, oi. Stop your ravings, please. Wa nay tumong nang imong quotations. It's already Sunday in other parts of the world, don't spoil it.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #189 on: February 20, 2011, 04:57:13 AM »
Dili na ravings, Nong. From The Holy Bible, Nong. Direct passage.

From the Catholic Holy Bible, Nong.


 And The Lord said unto me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.  The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Revelation 21: 7-8

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #190 on: February 20, 2011, 04:59:10 AM »
I rest my case. Now I know why some people go on despair and some even to the point of jumping onto the cliff. Care to join me? LoL  ;D

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #191 on: February 20, 2011, 05:01:03 AM »
Jesus Christ is directly telling St John the Divine of the things to come.

Hence its inclusion in the Holy Bible , as compiled by the same Roman Catholic Church.

Christ's Word are not ravings, from last I remember, but the basis of All Things.



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #192 on: February 20, 2011, 05:01:27 AM »
I rest my case. Now I know why some people go on despair and some even to the point of jumping onto the cliff. Care to join me? LoL  ;D

Bwahaha! Oh well, I shouldn't have tried in the first place...  :P

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #193 on: February 20, 2011, 05:05:10 AM »
I rest my case. Now I know why some people go on despair and some even to the point of jumping onto the cliff. Care to join me? LoL  ;D

Ajaw pood, Fr. The point that I was making to Nong H was that the basis of earlier declarative was from Revelations Chapter 21.

From my understanding, suicide is murder. Self murder. Diba?

Hence my emphasis in its inclusion. However, since the Church issued ammendments on Suicide, we are now secured that perdition isn't immediate for suicide cases. Since there is a possibility of being placed in purgatory. But do you understand where I saw my point--using Revelation Chapter 21, verses 7 to 8 as a primary source. ?





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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #194 on: February 20, 2011, 05:08:23 AM »
He he, I feel so foolish, and then some.  ;D

Hmm. Here are some foolish words to go by:

Last words are for fools who haven't said enough. --Karl Marx




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« Reply #195 on: February 20, 2011, 05:12:07 AM »
haha. c'mon nong. you asked me about my declarative. i gave you the primary source. and now you're getting all side-tracked.

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aguy, here we go again with the quotations / indirect remarks.



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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #196 on: February 20, 2011, 05:14:13 AM »
I rest my case. Now I know why some people go on despair and some even to the point of jumping onto the cliff. Care to join me? LoL  ;D

lol. so long as the cliff is no higher than 40 feet, and so long as there is water underneath the cliff (deep enough to survive the fall).

 :P

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #197 on: February 20, 2011, 08:43:04 AM »
Sa tinuod lang naay daghan point si Lorenzo ug si Padre pud. Kanindot unta siguro no ug makapadala pa ug suwat si Angelo Reyes ug asa na siya karon dapita gibutang sa Ginoo. Ang ato ra jud mahimo is permi nalang nato siya i include sa atong mga pag ampo kay wala man siguroy ma waste sa prayer bisan pag asa na siya dapita.

I have important question here for everybody. Nakasuway na ba mo nga na depressed? I suffer postpartum  depression after my son Matthew was born. At first wala ko kabalo ug nganong na ingon ato ko hehehhe. I always find myself in our basement nga maghunahuna ug maghikog. I was so mesirable kay bisan pagligo sa akong anak mahadlok ko kay akong feeling basin ako siyang malumsan nga wala ko kabalo. Mokalit lang ko ug hilak nga walay hinungdan ug sa akong hunahuna kung makakubot lang ko ug pusil adtong higayuna murag pusilon siguro nako  akong kaugalingon. Wala ko mo seek ug medical help kay akong pagtuo normal ra siguro ni abi nako tanan nakaagi ug ingon ani labi na human ug panganak. Kara naa koy suicidal episode magsegi ko ug pray ug rosary unya read the catholic book dogma of hell. Hangtud nga medyo naulian ra baya ko adto. Comes the second and third child ug mao gihapon to until nakabasa ko ug article about postpartum depression. Bisan akong bana nagwonder nganong permi ra ko magsira ug gusto mag segi ug inusara. Then I told him nga for long time I was suffering inside akong gidetalye tanan niya. Ang tawong depressed normal outside but inside she is raging a battle. Ang tawong depressed dili na makahunahuna ug unsay sala ug unsay dili.
Nakahunahuna ba ko nga katong naay koy suicidal episode nga sala to? NO wala ang akoa lang gihunahuna adto is gusto ko humanon ang akong misery.
Ingbilib kaayo tong psychologist nga nagtabang nako kay maayo daw akong approach adtong mga higayuna nga nagsegi ko ug basa ug religious books ug segi rosaryo.

My point here is ug clear atong hunahuna makabalo gyud ta nga sala ang suicide pero if you are in deep misery malimot na gyud ka unsa ang sala ug unsa ang dili.

Most  people commit suicide are not in their right mind. To commit a mortal sin  you have to have full consent of the will. How can you have full consent of your will when your not in your right mind to commit suicide?
Ang nahitabo ni Angie is wala gyud ni siya sa iyang right mind kay laliman ba gud kadako sa iyang kasong atubangon.

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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #198 on: February 20, 2011, 08:58:59 AM »
Kining situwason nimo, Raquel, physiology man na kai after you give birth, your hormone levels , specifically your progesterone and estrogen levels are incredibly unbalanced, namely the fact that progesterone was necessary to maintain the pregnancy. All of the sudden, at the expulsion of the child from your body, your endocrine aparatus no longer is required to produce such high levels of progesterone as well as estrogen. So the levels fall. This abrupt fall in hormones triggers a dopamine effect. The increase dopamine is physiologically needed as it works in conjunction with prolactin, oxytocin in order to produce maternal milk for the child. The rapid fall in progesterone, estrogen levels and sharp increase in dopamine is responsible for the symptoms of depression. In this case, it is called post-partum depression (post partum blues).

Clinically, the effects of depression is an altered mental status. But the levels of depression differs and symptoms differ as well. In cases of acute manic episodes, one's mental state / state of mind is hindered.

In the case of Angelo Reyes, could his suicide be due to an acute manic episode? Possibly? It could have been. Possibly. However, in cases of acute manic episodes , one looses the state of reality, and cannot differentiate what is real and unreal. This could even fall in line in the diagnosis of a acute schizoid / brief schizotypal disorder. Functionality of persons with such incidences is dim to none.

Reyes was able to drive to his late mother's grave that day. Days prior he conversed with his family, ate with them, and even wrote a letter of apology for what he was going to due. This means that there was no altered mental status. He was in his right frame of mind.

For persons with depression, the level of clinical depression , as i said earlier, depends on symptomology. In your case, you thought of hurting yourself, but the very fact that you feared bathing your son in case of a suicidal incident, indicates a minimally altered mental status. Your control of the situation, your condition and your management of symptoms proves you had efficent control. Management in your case was praying and reading catholic material. Psychologically speaking , positive reinforcement helps to deter negative actions. Your innate religiosity, positive religious factors, played a role in the psychodynamic control of symptoms.

In regards to Reyes , he also had control. Had he no control, he would not have been able to write a letter, nor function properly without the noticing of his family and friends. He had will and he had intent. He knew what he was doing, he knew the consequence of his actions, yet he did it anyway.

He was a liar. A corrupt official who cooperated with corrupt leaders at the expense of the people. He was proud. Proud enough to protect his identity , proud that he did not want to suffer a judicial hearing before the Courta Suprema sa Filipinas. And he was a murderer. He killed himself.
He entered eternity in a state of disgrace. Had he feared his God, he would have known that God's Judgement was far more severe than man's law and man's justice.



Revelations 21: 7-8 says,
7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.






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Re: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably?
« Reply #199 on: February 20, 2011, 09:21:41 AM »
   1. 1 Corinthians 10:31 reveal that the Holy Spirit dwells in those who are saved. It is our responsibility to treat Him with respect, and suicide is not appropriate.

   2. Genesis 1:26,27 (and similar verses) reveal that we are made in the image of God. This is one of the reasons we are not allowed to murder (see Genesis 9:6,7), so again suicide would be a bad thing.

   3. The Bible teaches us to trust, depend on, and believe in God throughout its length. (Romans 8:28 is one example.) To take your own life would show no faith in God. Notice that although the prophets, apostles, and Jesus Christ were persecuted, tortured, and put to death; they did not commit suicide for an “easy out.” They “fought the good fight” to the end (see 2 Timothy 4:6-8).

   4. Be aware of how suicide affects other people’s opinion of the person who died. It is common for people to wonder if someone who commits suicide went to heaven. That is a poor testimony for a “Christian warrior.”

There is no defense of sin. No defense against a counter , a direct counter of the Word of God.







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