Author Topic: Do you think late Angelo Reyes died honorably? (Read 37175 times)

hubag bohol · « **Reply #120 on:** February 20, 2011, 01:58:08 AM »

I am sorry Mr. Reyes, but you cannot escape The Final Judge and His Judgment..where you are going. You may have evaded Philippine Justice, but you cannot hide from Providence now.

Suicide is an unpardonable Sin. His soul is now burning in eternal fires of hell.

Jesus tells us that condemning is not for us, but for God alone.

Pasayloa ako Ginoo, ikaw man diay ni. Pasayloa intawon ako nga wala dayon ako makaila kanimo. Angay baya unta akong makamatikod, sa kalantip sa imong pangutok lang daan. Sa makausa pa, pasayloa ako, Makagagahom, pasayloa kining imong ulipon nga taphaw ang kinaadman, kining makauuwaw ug lampingasan nga makasasala.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #121 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:01:31 AM »

How about this passage from John 3:17, "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."

This is true. Salvation is constant progress. There is a verse from Philippians that says, 'One must work one's own salvation'. I am very hurt by Reyes actions. Most specifically his friends , family, loved ones.

I do pray that God was merciful and righteous in judgement. Pero, it is clear what Revelation says.

It was only recently that the Catholic Church implemented ammendments on suicides. But before these ammendments, Pre-Vatican II thought was constant in the teaching that suicides were destined to perdition.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #122 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:06:59 AM »

On suicide (by catechism of the holy roman catholic church):

Negative and indirect suicide

Negative and indirect suicide without the consent of God is also an attempt against the rights of the Creator and an injustice towards Him whenever without sufficient cause a man neglects all the means of preservation of which he should make use. If a man as usufructuary is obliged in justice to preserve his life, it follows that he is equally bound to make use of all the ordinary means which are indicated in the usual course of things, namely:

1. he should employ all the ordinary means which nature itself provides, such as to eat, drink, sleep, and so on;
2. moreover, he should avoid all dangers which he may easily avoid, e.g. to flee from a burning house, to escape from an infuriated animal when it may be done without difficulty.

In fact to neglect the ordinary means for preserving life is equivalent to killing one's self, but the same is not true with regard to extraordinary means. Thus theologians teach that one is not bound in order to preserve life to employ remedies which, considering one's condition, are regarded as extraordinary and involving extraordinary expenditure; one is not obliged to undergo a very painful surgical operation, nor a considerable amputation, nor to go into exile in order to seek a more beneficial climate, etc. To use a comparison, the lessee of a house is bound to take care of it as becomes a good father of a family, to make use of the ordinary means for the preservation of the property, for instance, to extinguish a fire which he may easily extinguish, etc., but he is not bound to employ means considered extraordinary, such as to procure the latest novelties invented by science to prevent or extinguish fire.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #123 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:10:38 AM »

Reference: Catechism of The Holy Roman Catholic Church

Negative and direct suicide

Negative and direct suicide without the consent of God constitutes the same sin as positive suicide. In fact man has over his life only the right of use with corresponding obligations to preserve the object of God's dominion, the substance of his life. Hence, it follows obviously that he fails in this obligation of usufructuary who neglects the necessary means for the preservation of life, and this with the intention of destroying the latter, and consequently violates the rights of God.

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chicogon · « **Reply #124 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:12:11 AM »

This is true. Salvation is constant progress. There is a verse from Philippians that says, 'One must work one's own salvation'. I am very hurt by Reyes actions. Most specifically his friends , family, loved ones.

I do pray that God was merciful and righteous in judgement. Pero, it is clear what Revelation says.

It was only recently that the Catholic Church implemented ammendments on suicides. But before these ammendments, Pre-Vatican II thought was constant in the teaching that suicides were destined to perdition.

Are you telling me now you're bigger than the Church? If the Church has changed or made amendments, or has gone a little compassionate in their approach and understanding of Christ's teachings/commands or that of the early Church (that was still developing anyway), then who are we to insist otherwise? Hmmmm... you mean, you choose what suits your personality or viewpoint? Or somebody else's understanding?

You have to ask what you yourself believe!!!

How good God is to you?

Ask the very question Jesus asked his disciples? Who do you say that I am?

Then that is the God who will be to you, in the least...

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #125 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:20:18 AM »

You have to ask what you yourself believe!!!

How good God is to you?

Ask the very question Jesus asked his disciples? Who do you say that I am?

Then that is the God who will be to you, in the least...

Thank you for this, Fr. Chic. I have to say this is the best homily I've heard in a long, long while.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #126 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:23:51 AM »

Are you telling me now you're bigger than the Church? If the Church has changed or made amendments, or has gone a little compassionate in their approach and understanding of Christ's teachings/commands or that of the early Church (that was still developing anyway), then who are we to insist otherwise? Hmmmm... you mean, you choose what suits your personality or viewpoint? Or somebody else's understanding?

You have to ask what you yourself believe!!!

How good God is to you?

Ask the very question Jesus asked his disciples? Who do you say that I am?

Then that is the God who will be to you, in the least...

Of course not, Fr. Roel. I am a member of the church, not the church, nor above the church. Am part of the body that makes up the entity, the being, that constitutes the Church.

My apologies if my position made it seem like that, through the process of driving the point of accountability, one's postings can be seen as hostile. But that is not the case.

To answer your question, Fr. Roel. Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. The only son of God the Father. And through the Father and Son , the Holy Spirit, the counsel for all believers and Christians, proceeds. I believe in One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Of course The Lord Jesus Christ is good to me. He is good to me because he sends you and others when necessary to correct me when I am wrong. As it is said that a Father corrects a child whom he loves. Diba?

I welcome your correction.

However, I will reiterate the same message that I have been driving throughout this thread:

1. Accountability of one's actions are necessary. We will be judged according to our belief in Christ and according to our actions.

2. Suicide is morally, and spiritually wrong. It is a moral sin, it is a sin that should be evaded, it is the anithesis of the Hope in God.

If one commits suicide, one denies the Holy Spirit's ability to help one discern life goals, life questions, life situations, as difficult as it is.
Reyes, tho he was humbled and embarassed, should not have committed suicide. Rather, should have welcomed it as a teaching and a lesson from God. The worse case scenario was he exposes the truth of the corruption situation. or be ordered to expose his assets and live with media frenzy. for a while. But difficulties are meant to strengthen us, not to destroy us.

Reyes, as i drove, gave up in life. He denied the Holy Spirit's counseling on his mind. Jesus Christ tells us that "I will be with you till the end of time". Meaning that even tho we go through horrible, hard times, hardhips, etc, He will not leave us. Rather, Jesus Christ will strengthen us.

Jesus did not abandon Reyes.
Reyes, through his suicide, abandoned his family, his friends, and everything he worked for.

It is very sad. I cannot help but be touched by the situation of his life. He should not have given up...

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MikeLigalig.com · « **Reply #127 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:32:49 AM »

Naa bitaw sa Gospel of John akong gikalibgan kay si Pedro nangutana ni Jesus kung unsay linugdangan sa paghikog ni Judas.

When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, "Lord, what about this man?" Jesus said to him, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!" (John 21:22).

Sa Bisaya nga Bible translation: "Kung ako siyang buhion hangtud sa akong pagbalik, unsa may imong labot?"

Sa laing nga pulong, miingon si Jesus ni Peter: "None of your business, Peter. Follow me."

Ang giingon sa Bible, there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven, that is the sin against the Holy Spirit. Based sa context sa Gospel when Jesus said about this topic, the sin against the Holy Spirit may be committed when there is a work of the Holy Spirit and a man or woman attributes it as a work of the devil. This is what I understand sa mga nadungog nga preaching sa mga pastor ug sa mga Christian books nga akong nabasa.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #128 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:36:31 AM »

The Sin against the Holy Spirit is an unpardonable sin. Suicide denies the Holy Spirit's presence in one's life. It denies the Holy Spirit's ability to counsel you and to strengthen you.

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chicogon · « **Reply #129 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:37:20 AM »

Naa bitaw sa Gospel of John akong gikalibgan kay si Pedro nangutana ni Jesus kung unsay linugdangan sa paghikog ni Judas.

When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, "Lord, what about this man?" Jesus said to him, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!" (John 21:22).

Sa Bisaya nga Bible translation: "Kung ako siyang buhion hangtud sa akong pagbalik, unsa may imong labot?"

Sa laing nga pulong, miingon si Jesus ni Peter: "None of your business, Peter. Follow me."

Ang giingon sa Bible, there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven, that is the sin against the Holy Spirit. Based sa context sa Gospel when Jesus said about this topic, the sin against the Holy Spirit may be committed when there is a work of the Holy Spirit and a man or woman attributes it as a work of the devil. This is what I understand sa mga nadungog nga preaching sa mga pastor ug sa mga Christian books nga akong nabasa.

Bwahahaha!!! Nakatawa kos dagan sa imong istorya but you drive home your point very clearly. I agree. I love it. I hope nobody will condemn us sa atong panabot hehehehe

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #130 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:37:52 AM »

Sinning Against the Holy Spirit is an ETERNAL SIN.

Mark 3:28-30: And Jesus Christ said unto them: “Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because theywere saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’.”

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chicogon · « **Reply #131 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:39:45 AM »

The Sin against the Holy Spirit is an unpardonable sin. Suicide denies the Holy Spirit's presence in one's life. It denies the Holy Spirit's ability to counsel you and to strengthen you.

Maybe you're right and we're wrong. Oh well... May God have mercy on our souls!!!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #132 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:40:49 AM »

Naa bitaw sa Gospel of John akong gikalibgan kay si Pedro nangutana ni Jesus kung unsay linugdangan sa paghikog ni Judas.

When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, "Lord, what about this man?" Jesus said to him, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!" (John 21:22).

Sa Bisaya nga Bible translation: "Kung ako siyang buhion hangtud sa akong pagbalik, unsa may imong labot?"

Sa laing nga pulong, miingon si Jesus ni Peter: "None of your business, Peter. Follow me."

Ang giingon sa Bible, there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven, that is the sin against the Holy Spirit. Based sa context sa Gospel when Jesus said about this topic, the sin against the Holy Spirit may be committed when there is a work of the Holy Spirit and a man or woman attributes it as a work of the devil. This is what I understand sa mga nadungog nga preaching sa mga pastor ug sa mga Christian books nga akong nabasa.

Thank you. I did not consider that verse in John 21:22.

Thank you.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #133 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:43:37 AM »

Maybe you're right and we're wrong. Oh well... May God have mercy on our souls!!!

I am just a student , Fr. Roel. A mere Knight of Columbus. My words in this thread is just my objection to the action of suicide.

I will always defend and uphold Catholic Teaching , and most of all, its priests.

If I ever sounded arrogant and rude in my postings, my apologies lang ha. I am sorry.

I get very passionate in my postings when I am defending a belief and a point.

I love you. And I will always welcome your correction in my postings.

Love,
Bran.

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chicogon · « **Reply #134 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:44:28 AM »

Enz, you sounded like a remnant of the Inquisition... you think like 'em, according to the letter of the law. Oh, well (again)

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MikeLigalig.com · « **Reply #135 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:44:28 AM »

Parallel Translations of the intriguing statement of Jesus in John 21:22

New International Version (Â©1984)
Jesus answered, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me."

New Living Translation (Â©2007)
Jesus replied, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? As for you, follow me."

English Standard Version (Â©2001)
Jesus said to him, â€œIf it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!â€

New American Standard Bible (Â©1995)
Jesus said to him, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!"

International Standard Version (Â©2008)
Jesus said to him, "If it is my will for him to remain until I come back, how does that concern you? You must keep following me!"

GOD'S WORDÂ® Translation (Â©1995)
Jesus said to Peter, "If I want him to live until I come again, how does that concern you? Follow me!"

King James Bible
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what [is that] to thee? follow thou me.

American King James Version
Jesus said to him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to you? follow you me.

American Standard Version
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? Follow thou me.

Bible in Basic English
Jesus said to him, If it is my desire for him to be here till I come back, what is that to you? come yourself after me.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus saith to him: So I will have him to remain till I come, what is it to thee? follow thou me.

Darby Bible Translation
Jesus says to him, If I will that he abide until I come, what is that to thee? Follow thou me.

English Revised Version
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus saith to him, If I will that he shall tarry till I come, what is that to thee? Follow thou me.

Weymouth New Testament
"If I desire him to remain till I come," replied Jesus, "what concern is that of yours? You, yourself, must follow me."

World English Bible
Jesus said to him, "If I desire that he stay until I come, what is that to you? You follow me."

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus saith to him, 'If him I will to remain till I come, what -- to thee? be thou following me.' This word, therefore, went forth to the brethren that that disciple doth not die,

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #136 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:46:06 AM »

To all whom I may have indirectly offended, or hurt in this thread, please know that it was not deliberate, nor intentional. But meant to state a point on accountability.

Please know there are no hard feelings. We are all exchanging ideas and thoughts. Despite the differences (just keep it civil lang sometimes, not under the belt punching. lol)

Love You All,
Bran Lorenz.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #137 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:48:17 AM »

I am just a student , Fr. Roel. A mere Knight of Columbus. My words in this thread is just my objection to the action of suicide.

I will always defend and uphold Catholic Teaching , and most of all, its priests.

If I ever sounded arrogant and rude in my postings, my apologies lang ha. I am sorry.

I get very passionate in my postings when I am defending a belief and a point.

I love you. And I will always welcome your correction in my postings.

Love,
Bran.

Love, hmm, maybe, welcoming corrections kuno but never to the point of admitting that you're wrong. That's pride, pure and simple.

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chicogon · « **Reply #138 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:49:57 AM »

To all whom I may have indirectly offended, or hurt in this thread, please know that it was not deliberate, nor intentional. But meant to state a point on accountability.

Please know there are no hard feelings. We are all exchanging ideas and thoughts. Despite the differences (just keep it civil lang sometimes, not under the belt punching. lol)

Love You All,
Bran Lorenz.

This is like a boxing match. You're tall (and your reasoning is on a pedestal), so I'm punching you below the belt, bwahahahaha!!!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #139 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:50:15 AM »

To all whom I may have indirectly offended, or hurt in this thread, please know that it was not deliberate, nor intentional. But meant to state a point on accountability.

Please know there are no hard feelings. We are all exchanging ideas and thoughts. Despite the differences (just keep it civil lang sometimes, not under the belt punching. lol)

Love You All,
Bran Lorenz.

All we need is for you to admit that Fr. Chic is right and you are wrong. Just that simple. Can't you do that?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #140 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:52:17 AM »

Enz, you sounded like a remnant of the Inquisition... you think like 'em, according to the letter of the law. Oh, well (again)

According to the letter of the Law , Jyud.

You are like Prophet Moses, Fr. Roel. Kind and Compassionate.

I am more like Joshua, warrior in spirit.

A verse that strengthens me during times of difficulty and trial,

"Just as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. I will not leave you or forsake you. Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.â€
-Joshua 1

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #141 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:53:53 AM »

Love, hmm, maybe, welcoming corrections kuno but never to the point of admitting that you're wrong. That's pride, pure and simple.

I was wrong, Hubag. Wrong in the sense that I was referring to Pre-Vatican II ideology.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #142 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:54:32 AM »

This is like a boxing match. You're tall (and your reasoning is on a pedestal), so I'm punching you below the belt, bwahahahaha!!!

Hahaha ajaw pood, Fr. Roel. Ajaw ko sakita ba. Instead of punching, just hug me lang ha.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #143 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:58:57 AM »

I was wrong, Hubag. Wrong in the sense that I was referring to Pre-Vatican II ideology.

Ah, OK. So Fr. Chic is right only in the sense that he is referring to the prevailing ideology. Tsk, tsk, tsk, pride rearing its ugly head again, little boy.

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Chongki · « **Reply #144 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:00:39 AM »

sakto guihapon sya bai hubs

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #145 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:01:33 AM »

Ikaw pood Hubag, you need to stop your condemnatory tendencies. I know that you and I disagree on issues, pero, you should not be so degrading in how you say things , or how you refer to other people. You think that I am not aware of your comments about myself. Enough with that.

So I am admitting my erroneous ways, so should you. I am asking you to be more respectful.

This forum, despite our differences in thought and lifestyles, should command respect for each and everyone.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #146 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:03:25 AM »

Ah, OK. So Fr. Chic is right only in the sense that he is referring to the prevailing ideology. Tsk, tsk, tsk, pride rearing its ugly head again, little boy.

Yes. Simply so. It does not negate what revelation says, nor what 1 John says. Not pride, Nong, but acquiescing to what what is correct in that regard.

I still stand to the essence of my statements. Apology was issued in case people were indirectly offended, noting that it was not meant to be condemnatory (or presumed as condemnatory).

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #147 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:05:08 AM »

sakto guihapon sya bai hubs

Wrong, Chonks.

I accepted that Fr. Roel has a point in Post-Vatican II ideology, but the same message that Revelation and 1 John as well as what Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church stands true, which is the emphasis that Suicide is Wrong and the antithesis of Divine Love.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #148 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:07:58 AM »

Ikaw pood Hubag, you need to stop your condemnatory tendencies. I know that you and I disagree on issues, pero, you should not be so degrading in how you say things , or how you refer to other people. You think that I am not aware of your comments about myself. Enough with that.

So I am admitting my erroneous ways, so should you. I am asking you to be more respectful.

You are older than I, I want to give you full respect, but the thing that prevents me from completely showing you my respect is your hostility at times. So , I will address here. Change how you address people, and I will give you my full respect.

Sincerely.

I don't need your respect, only your intellectual honesty. Or just your plain honesty, if you don't have the faculty for the earlier requirement. If you don't know it, let me tell you: your intellectual pretensions make TB members sick.

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MikeLigalig.com · « **Reply #149 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:10:13 AM »

Estorya-estorya lang gud ta. Magbayloay sa mga huna-huna ug pangindahay. Bisan ug usahay managlahi ang atong gituohan, ipabilin gihapon ang atong pagkamanaghigalaay.

Mahitungod sa kaso ni Angelo Reyes, murag lisud e-conclude kung asa siya ibutang sa Ginoo kay we are mere mortals and creations of God. Dili pud ko makaingon gani nga mahilangit si Dr. Jose Rizal. Dili pud ko makaingon nga ma-impyerno si Hitler. Adto na ni nato mahibaloan sa gitawag ug "Day of Judgment" when God will exercise His authority as the one and only Judge.

Pero kabahin sa kaluwasan, adunay assurance nga gihatag ang Ginoo. Ato ning mahinuktokan sa dihang miingon si Jesus sa usa ka ka-watan (kadtong ka-watan nga mituo ni Jesus) gilansang tupad sa Iyang kilid didto sa krus sa Kalbaryo: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (King James Version)

Sa Bisaya miingon si Jesus: "Sa pagkatinuod, sa pagkatinuod, magaingon ako kanimo, karong adlawa mahiuban ka nako ngadto sa paraiso."

Buhi pa ang maong tawo ug aduna na siyay kasigurohan sa kaluwasan.

Pero mahitungod sa pagkalaglag sa kalag ngadto sa impyerno, kitang tawo dili ta katugkad sa huna-huna sa Ginoo. Kay Siya man ang naay gitawag ug "final say." Ug Siya lang pud ang makakita sa kasing-kasing sa tawo.

Kitang tawo, ang atong makita puro external. Ang Ginoo ang Iyang makita tanan: external ug internal. Mao sa John 21:22, natunok si Peter sa gitubag sa Ginoo. Daghan na to ug sala si Judas, ang pinakagrabe ang pagbudhi ug paghikog. Apan bisan pa man niining tanan, miingon si Jesus sa pinolosopo pa nga estorya sa bag-ong panahon:

"Kung mahilangit o ma-impyerno si Judas, unsay may imong labot Pedro? Ako ang magbuot. Ang mahinungdanon nga mosunod ka nako ug sa akong mga sugo." - John 21:22

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #150 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:10:28 AM »

sakto guihapon sya bai hubs

Kanus-a pa gud siya masayop...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #151 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:12:22 AM »

Intellectual pretensions ? What is it that you don't like, Nong? Intellectual pretensions , sounds so negative. When in fact there is no negativity in it. Can not an individual share some bit of knowledge that one has to everyone , without being called 'pretentious'?

I don't think there ever was a time in my life where I said to anyone, a person, "Oh look how you are less educated than i, and i am more educated than thou.."

Never.

In fact, i can be honest with you that i am really just an average individual who likes to share information and to divulge some tidbit of information.
Don't take it as pretension, never was it ever considered so. Perhaps, it is taken as as judging my cover even before you read the entire passage.

You are older than me, Nong, therefore you deserve my respect. But respect is earned not given.

Decency and respect.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #152 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:14:40 AM »

Kanus-a pa gud siya masayop...

A lot of times, Nong. Kinsa man dili ma sayop? Tsk.

There are plenty of times here that i recognize my correction.

Ang issue ani, is that one should not pick on people , or poking fun of people.

Basing on one's supposed 'intellectual' pretension, should not be the reason for poking on one's traits.

Dili baja na maayo, Nong.

Ikaw man tigulang, you are supposed to know this and apply it, more than myself, who am much your junior in age.

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chicogon · « **Reply #153 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:17:37 AM »

Hahaha ajaw pood, Fr. Roel. Ajaw ko sakita ba. Instead of punching, just hug me lang ha.

I will hug and "amen" you when you get down from that pedestal. Misery loves company. And it's hot in here, boy. Come down and join the madla!!!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #154 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:21:14 AM »

Intellectual pretensions ? What is it that you don't like, Nong? Intellectual pretensions , sounds so negative. When in fact there is no negativity in it. Can not an individual share some bit of knowledge that one has to everyone , without being called 'pretentious'?

I don't think there ever was a time in my life where I said to anyone, a person, "Oh look how you are less educated than i, and i am more educated than thou.."

Never.

In fact, i can be honest with you that i am really just an average individual who likes to share information and to divulge some tidbit of information.
Don't take it as pretension, never was it ever considered so. Perhaps, it is taken as as judging my cover even before you read the entire passage.

You are older than me, Nong, therefore you deserve my respect. But respect is earned not given.

Decency and respect.

Do I have to repeat it that I don't need your respect? Give that respect to yourself, maybe it will be better appreciated.

You say that you are just an average individual. You are absolutely right. It is not the fact of sharing information that makes you pretentious, but the way you do so. But then again, you probably have to live a little bit longer to understand what I'm saying.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #155 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:21:59 AM »

Estorya-estorya lang gud ta. Magbayloay sa mga huna-huna ug pangindahay. Bisan ug usahay managlahi ang atong gituohan, ipabilin gihapon ang atong pagkamanaghigalaay.

Mahitungod sa kaso ni Angelo Reyes, murag lisud e-conclude kung asa siya ibutang sa Ginoo kay we are mere mortals and creations of God. Dili pud ko makaingon gani nga mahilangit si Dr. Jose Rizal. Dili pud ko makaingon nga ma-impyerno si Hitler. Adto na ni nato mahibaloan sa gitawag ug "Day of Judgment" when God will exercise His authority as the one and only Judge.

Pero kabahin sa kaluwasan, adunay assurance nga gihatag ang Ginoo. Ato ning mahinuktokan sa dihang miingon si Jesus sa usa ka ka-watan (kadtong ka-watan nga mituo ni Jesus) gilansang tupad sa Iyang kilid didto sa krus sa Kalbaryo: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (King James Version)

Sa Bisaya miingon si Jesus: "Sa pagkatinuod, sa pagkatinuod, magaingon ako kanimo, karong adlawa mahiuban ka nako ngadto sa paraiso."

Buhi pa ang maong tawo ug aduna na siyay kasigurohan sa kaluwasan.

Pero mahitungod sa pagkalaglag sa kalag ngadto sa impyerno, kitang tawo dili ta katugkad sa huna-huna sa Ginoo. Kay Siya man ang naay gitawag ug "final say." Ug Siya lang pud ang makakita sa kasing-kasing sa tawo.

Kitang tawo, ang atong makita puro external. Ang Ginoo ang Iyang makita tanan: external ug internal. Mao sa John 21:22, natunok si Peter sa gitubag sa Ginoo. Daghan na to ug sala si Judas, ang pinakagrabe ang pagbudhi ug paghikog. Apan bisan pa man niining tanan, miingon si Jesus sa pinolosopo pa nga estorya sa bag-ong panahon:

"Kung mahilangit o ma-impyerno si Judas, unsay may imong labot Pedro? Ako ang magbuot. Ang mahinungdanon nga mosunod ka nako ug sa akong mga sugo." - John 21:22

This is a powerful point. I acquiesce to this verse.

Thank You , Michael.

Tinuod bitaw imong gi ingon, Mike. Estorya estorya ra man ni atua, pero , naa pood respect sa atong postings. Dili lang i poke-fun ang comments and remarks. Dili man jud na maayo. Ug maayong tawo nga gusto mag pa honest, ajaw pood mag buwang buwang imong comments on how fat or how you don't like a person's look. It minimizes one's point.

My point is, we are all intellectual minds in here. No one is being pretentious, but rather, sharing our points of views (they will differ from person to person), but keep everything civil. Poking fun of how people look, joking on one's relationship and sharing how one finds it disgusting is unecessary and very unchristian-like.

We are all Bol-anons, or honorary Bol-anons in here. So let there be no negativity in our comments. No need to hit below the belt.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #156 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:24:25 AM »

I will hug and "amen" you when you get down from that pedestal. Misery loves company. And it's hot in here, boy. Come down and join the madla!!!

hahaha. Fr. but i am shorter than you. Wa lagi ko sa pedestal.

How can a poor student, inundated with medical loan debt, stressed with work, and being grilled constantly by his superiors ever be in a pedestal?

i am officially a slave at work.

~~

but any case, so long as i get to sit next to you, then let me be miserable with you.

so long as you give me a san miguel beer ha? (just like the time that night with the PUPPIES).

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #157 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:29:05 AM »

Do I have to repeat it that I don't need your respect? Give that respect to yourself, maybe it will be better appreciated.

You say that you are just an average individual. You are absolutely right. It is not the fact of sharing information that makes you pretentious, but the way you do so. But then again, you probably have to live a little bit longer to understand what I'm saying.

If i may have sounded pretentious to you, Nong, please know that it was not intended to be pretentious. Perhaps you should not judge me as pretentious intellectually when you have not ever met me, nor ever talked to me face to face.

This forum does not define us as individuals. Nor does it show everything that we do, believe in, and fight for.

Even if you do not deserve my respect, the fact that you are older than I , is requirement to give my respect.

I was raised in the Boholano way, of showing filial piety. Respect for elders.

Thank you for your view, and I hope that we can now behave more civilly with each other.

I take everything you say into consideration.

Truly.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #158 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:29:40 AM »

My point is, we are all intellectual minds in here.

Really? Bwahaha!

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chicogon · « **Reply #159 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:29:59 AM »

Estorya-estorya lang gud ta. Magbayloay sa mga huna-huna ug pangindahay. Bisan ug usahay managlahi ang atong gituohan, ipabilin gihapon ang atong pagkamanaghigalaay.

Mahitungod sa kaso ni Angelo Reyes, murag lisud e-conclude kung asa siya ibutang sa Ginoo kay we are mere mortals and creations of God. Dili pud ko makaingon gani nga mahilangit si Dr. Jose Rizal. Dili pud ko makaingon nga ma-impyerno si Hitler. Adto na ni nato mahibaloan sa gitawag ug "Day of Judgment" when God will exercise His authority as the one and only Judge.

Pero kabahin sa kaluwasan, adunay assurance nga gihatag ang Ginoo. Ato ning mahinuktokan sa dihang miingon si Jesus sa usa ka ka-watan (kadtong ka-watan nga mituo ni Jesus) gilansang tupad sa Iyang kilid didto sa krus sa Kalbaryo: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (King James Version)

Sa Bisaya miingon si Jesus: "Sa pagkatinuod, sa pagkatinuod, magaingon ako kanimo, karong adlawa mahiuban ka nako ngadto sa paraiso."

Buhi pa ang maong tawo ug aduna na siyay kasigurohan sa kaluwasan.

Pero mahitungod sa pagkalaglag sa kalag ngadto sa impyerno, kitang tawo dili ta katugkad sa huna-huna sa Ginoo. Kay Siya man ang naay gitawag ug "final say." Ug Siya lang pud ang makakita sa kasing-kasing sa tawo.

Kitang tawo, ang atong makita puro external. Ang Ginoo ang Iyang makita tanan: external ug internal. Mao sa John 21:22, natunok si Peter sa gitubag sa Ginoo. Daghan na to ug sala si Judas, ang pinakagrabe ang pagbudhi ug paghikog. Apan bisan pa man niining tanan, miingon si Jesus sa pinolosopo pa nga estorya sa bag-ong panahon:

"Kung mahilangit o ma-impyerno si Judas, unsay may imong labot Pedro? Ako ang magbuot. Ang mahinungdanon nga mosunod ka nako ug sa akong mga sugo." - John 21:22

Amen!!!

Kadugayan moluhod na jud ko ani kay magsige na lang tag ingon ug "amen."

It's good to admit sa atong pagka tawhanon and dare not tread on something which has not been assigned to us.

"For fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

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