Author Topic: Why Isn't Bisaya The National Language? (Read 5800 times)

Lorenzo · « **on:** February 27, 2009, 09:21:40 AM »

The majority of Filipinos are Bisaya. The Central Visayas and Mindanao are Bisaya-speakers. The majority of the Philippine population speaks Bisaya or a variant form. Yet the national tongue, 'Pilipino' is nothing but Tagalog. And Tagalog speakers are a minority in the population.

Cebuano-Bisaya should be the national language. And Cebu should be the National Capital.

It makes sense, as it is in the central region.

What do you think?

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Concerned Citizen · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2009, 09:58:45 AM »

True Sir Lorenz. I highly agree. Cebuano-Bisaya should be our National Language and Cebu should be the National Capital.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2009, 10:09:19 AM »

yeah when i was in grades I and II ang abong textbooks kay bisaja man...

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2009, 10:52:00 AM »

yeah when i was in grades I and II ang abong textbooks kay bisaja man...

naabtan pa to nimo, da bins? para, nako, ok ang ideya. ang problema ang mga katagalogan, big deal kaayo ni nila.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:03:26 AM »

Na annoyed baya ako last semester.

During the graduation of the 2010 batch from basic sciences, my friend, Jasmine, who is Filipina, introduced me and my friend Job to her mother. I did the cordial mano po and offered my greetings. Jasmine's mom, being from Manila, conversed with us in Tagalog. And she talked to my friend Job, who is from Lucena in Luzon. Now of course I can follow Tagalog, but my skill in speaking the language is rather limited (as I grew up speaking English and Bisaya).

So when Jasmine's mom asked where I was from, I told her "Taga Bohol, po." She then said, "Talaga ba? Intindihan mo ba Tagalog o Bisaya?"

I answered her, "Bisaya, po. Dahil hindi ko mashado yung Tagalog po"

She joked, "Oh you're not Filipino if you can't speak Tagalog."

I just smiled at hearing that. I told her in English, "I am Filipino. I'm a Filipino who speaks Bisaya."

She just smiled back.

How pretentious of some individuals to declare one being 'Un-Filipino' simply because we are unable/limited in Tagalog.

In actuality, Bisayans are more Filipino--considering Bisayans constitute the majority of the entire Filipino population.

I was wondering if other Fil-Ams or other Filipinos had similar experiences.

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janjan · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:07:53 AM »

bitaw bisaya unta ang national language and then cebu ang capital kay mao gud oldest city

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:13:05 AM »

Cebu was established as the Capital of Las Islas Filipinas and remained the capital until the conquest of Luzon by Legazpi's men.

It is amazing that despite Manila becoming the economic and political seat of power in the colonial days, Cebu, remains far more Hispanized than Imperial Manila.

Our Blessed Patron, is afterall named in the Honor of Cebu.

"EL Senor Santo Nino De Cebu"

Christianization of the Entire Philippines Started In Cebu.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:23:05 AM »

I await Glacier's post.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:34:47 AM »

Na annoyed baya ako last semester.

During the graduation of the 2010 batch from basic sciences, my friend, Jasmine, who is Filipina, introduced me and my friend Job to her mother. I did the cordial mano po and offered my greetings. Jasmine's mom, being from Manila, conversed with us in Tagalog. And she talked to my friend Job, who is from Lucena in Luzon. Now of course I can follow Tagalog, but my skill in speaking the language is rather limited (as I grew up speaking English and Bisaya).

So when Jasmine's mom asked where I was from, I told her "Taga Bohol, po." She then said, "Talaga ba? Intindihan mo ba Tagalog o Bisaya?"

I answered her, "Bisaya, po. Dahil hindi ko mashado yung Tagalog po"

She joked, "Oh you're not Filipino if you can't speak Tagalog."

I just smiled at hearing that. I told her in English, "I am Filipino. I'm a Filipino who speaks Bisaya."

She just smiled back.

How pretentious of some individuals to declare one being 'Un-Filipino' simply because we are unable/limited in Tagalog.

In actuality, Bisayans are more Filipino--considering Bisayans constitute the majority of the entire Filipino population.

I was wondering if other Fil-Ams or other Filipinos had similar experiences.

it's unfortunate that she said that to you, enzo. but it just shows the superiority complex of many a tagalog-speaking regions over bisayan-speaking ones. i can speak for myself on this matter because i was in Manila for years.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:42:34 AM »

It's a damn shame this happens, Glacier. Damn shame.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:50:36 AM »

but it's interesting to know some visayan words are being adopted in filipino.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2009, 11:53:35 AM »

Like, what, Glacier?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2009, 12:00:00 PM »

Like, what, Glacier?

hinay-hinay (dahan-dahan)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2009, 12:30:42 PM »

hmmmm,

Isn't that a song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMhp5uZovnc

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raldampong · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2009, 08:31:16 PM »

Dong Bran, its because of Pres. Manuel L. Quezon who is a Tagalog from Quezon Province. Who lobbied for a Pilipino National Languages based fro Tagalog dialect. I don't know why the Congressmen from Visayas and Mindanao did not object from that bill.

If you happen to study Bran in Manila its very annoying experienced where Tagalogs belittle the Visayans like a second class Citizens. All times they make fun of our pronounciation e as i, o as u. And most especially when they generalized that all Visayan are will work as houseboy or housemaid or a driver. They called them Inday. They think that all Indays are housemaids.

When I call my wife Inday she's very pissed off because she think I treat her like a housemaids.

I told her that Inday is the sweetest word you call Lady or Woman in Visayan its a lambing or most dear.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2009, 04:22:41 AM »

Kummusta naman ka, Mr. Rald!

It's been a while since we last conversed, Sir. How are you? How is work/life so far?

Sir, thank you for that historical explanation and the personal tidbit. So Quezon diay ning propose ana eh? The same man who proposed for the independence of the Philippines from the United States. Moving away from Protectorate status to Independent nation.

Thank You, Sir.

My warm regards to your family and good luck to your daughter. 4th year na siya sa Dentistry School, diba Sir?

Kindly Yours,
Bran Lorenzo Lucino Jr.

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raldampong · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2009, 07:29:27 AM »

Maayo man Dong Bran, Work is more busier and I'm getting CAD/CAM equipment for much better quality/precision manufacturing. I'm hiring more workers from PI. We just move to a bigger building.

About my daughter Camille She will finish her Dentistry next year if GOD willing. Here is here multiply link: http://www.prettycamz.multiply.com/photos/album/183/APO_Star_Dental_Service

Ikaw Bran kamusta na rin its been a while, kamusta na studuies mo, unta makalampos ka sa imong pagtuon sa pagka Doctor.

Regards sab sa imong kabanay.

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leoello · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:06:11 AM »

Hello everyone,

Language is always political. It's interesting you say the majority of Pilipinos speak Visayan-Cebuano because in the states I grew up with a predominantly Tagalog-dominated population.

I can't speak on what the national language should or should not be, but as far as pragmatics, it would sound an arduous process to campaign for a Visayan national language and have it replace all official documents and related national culture/legislative happenings.

I wonder what is the language policy in the Philippines related to national documents and forms of business? Do they have to make sure all material is translated to the respective dialects?

Now to illustrate the politics of language, you have an international meeting with investors and top government officials about military contracts, at the end of the day, what is the language used for business? English? Tagalog? Visaya?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2009, 08:19:09 AM »

if politics and superiority complex is what pushed the nationalizing tagalog/filipino as our language forward, then, before we could step further to make Visaya/Cebuano a national language, we must not forget the Ilonggos. they too have political clout and, without doubt, superior feeling over bisaya/cebuanons/boholanons.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2009, 12:43:12 AM »

Maayo man Dong Bran, Work is more busier and I'm getting CAD/CAM equipment for much better quality/precision manufacturing. I'm hiring more workers from PI. We just move to a bigger building.

About my daughter Camille She will finish her Dentistry next year if GOD willing. Here is here multiply link: http://www.prettycamz.multiply.com/photos/album/183/APO_Star_Dental_Service

Ikaw Bran kamusta na rin its been a while, kamusta na studuies mo, unta makalampos ka sa imong pagtuon sa pagka Doctor.

Regards sab sa imong kabanay.

Mr. Rald,

Am glad to know that work is going well for you, Sir. I can't complain much, studies are going well and my 2nd semester is coming to a close. It is alot of work, study, prayer and faith. Am glad that your daughter is doing well, Sir. God willing all of us will do well.

Those are great pictures btw. Was that for a community treatment program? a local medical mission? hehe.

Thanks, Mr. Rald. My my family's regards to yours as well.

Mabuhay ang mga BIDAK! Bisaya Daku!

Best,
Bran Lorenzo

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raldampong · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2009, 08:33:23 AM »

Yes bran there doing Medical and Dental mission from time to time around Metro Manila. She doing her Clinic now. Its good for learning experienced and at the same time doing service to indigent community.

Camille is very active in school activities, She's the captain ball of the volleyball team in Dentistry in UE ( University of the East). She also do some partime Fashion Modeling for some Magazine and Ramp Modeling. Her Godfather Atty Calibo the President of BAMMI ( Bohol Association of Metro Manila, Inc. want to represent for Miss Bohol International but We begged off due to her hectic schedule in her studies. Sa 2010 nalang after she graduated.

Anyway, glad I'm glad she doing well in her school, I support her all the way. Whatever her decision in life. I'm very proud of her.

Its good to hear from you too Bran, hope your doing well in school and your family as well. GOD BLESSED AS ALWAYS.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2009, 06:45:08 AM »

Yes bran there doing Medical and Dental mission from time to time around Metro Manila. She doing her Clinic now. Its good for learning experienced and at the same time doing service to indigent community.

Camille is very active in school activities, She's the captain ball of the volleyball team in Dentistry in UE ( University of the East). She also do some partime Fashion Modeling for some Magazine and Ramp Modeling. Her Godfather Atty Calibo the President of BAMMI ( Bohol Association of Metro Manila, Inc. want to represent for Miss Bohol International but We begged off due to her hectic schedule in her studies. Sa 2010 nalang after she graduated.

Anyway, glad I'm glad she doing well in her school, I support her all the way. Whatever her decision in life. I'm very proud of her.

Its good to hear from you too Bran, hope your doing well in school and your family as well. GOD BLESSED AS ALWAYS.

How honorable of your daughter, Mr. Rald, to partake in that. We have something similar as well, but 3rd year and 2nd years are expected to complete it in their spring semester. I looked at your daughter's pictures, sir, and I must say, how very proud you must be to have such a beautiful and intelligent daughter. Following in her father's footsteps

My studies are fairing well, Mr. Rald, I just took our midterms this past week was happy with the results. My study group and I are just beginning to get used to the work load that is expected of 1st year. We will begin our 1st semester of 2nd year this coming May.

I am a bit nervous, pero, as what they always say, hard work is the best preparation, diba? Is your daughter planning to practice in The Philippines, or is she looking to relocate abroad? I know daghaan raba demand in Dentistry diri sa 'states.

Sir, I would like to probably someday take part in a medical mission to the Phils.

Give my regards to your daugther, and future Doctor.

God Bless!

Always,
Bran Lorenzo

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raldampong · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:23:03 AM »

I want her to do some Post Grad studies on Implant or any specialization she wanted, either in States or England.

She is enjoying her studies, extra curricular and social activities. She want to practice abroad and do Dental mission for the poor communities.

You can communicate with her thru friendster or multiply account.

Thanks Dong Bran, for your thoughtfulness and compliments. Hope you can be friends someday.

Good Day

Rald

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hofelina · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2009, 07:34:35 AM »

From a blog;

Ang Magmahal Sa Sariling Wika
Posted by: Chico on: Marso 5, 2007

In: Archived Comment!
Para sa Kaniyang Hindi Napapagod na Magmahal.

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Mayroong nagsabi na ang taong di marunong magmahal sa sariling wika, ay higit pa ang amoy sa mabahong isda: Filipino ba ang tinutukoy dito? Tagalog? Ilokano, Kampampangan o kanya kanya nating â€œwikaâ€? What do you think?

***

Kapag ang baybay mo ay hindi na maipantig
Ang musika ay hindi na marinig
Kung ang tula ay hindi na maunawa
At ang literatura ay dayuhang wika,
Kikilos ka ba, kapatid
Para maisalba ang iyong kaluluwa?

Kapag nag-iisa ka na lamang
Na nakaiintindi,
Ng pasakit na dinanas ng lokal na bayani,
Ipagdiriwang mo ba ang kaniyang pista
Kung sa kalendaryo, asul at hindi pula
ang kaniyang tinta?

Sabi nila, sabi nila, mag Filipino ka!
Bukod sa Ingles, mag-Filipino ka.
Ngunit paano ko iintidihin ang Filipino
Gayong Kapampangan ako.
Gayong Ilokano ako.
Gayong Cebuano, Waray, Ilonggo ang lolo ko!

Wag sanang ipilit na isaksak
Sa lalamunan ko ang Tagalog.
Kahit magkunwa pa itong â€œFilipino.â€

Hindi ako inutil.
Hindi.
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I have no problem with our sariling wika, tagalog, itÂ´s my mother tongue. But here in Germany I always address myself a Bol-anon. I truly feel bisaya through and through. So it pains me to the heart if bisayan are good housemaids and that IÂ´m often called Inday. These are only clichÃ©.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2009, 10:12:03 AM »

I want her to do some Post Grad studies on Implant or any specialization she wanted, either in States or England.

She is enjoying her studies, extra curricular and social activities. She want to practice abroad and do Dental mission for the poor communities.

You can communicate with her thru friendster or multiply account.

Thanks Dong Bran, for your thoughtfulness and compliments. Hope you can be friends someday.

Good Day

Rald

England is a great place to do post doctoral training. My Uncle is there right now, Sir. My uncle is Dr. Rene Lucino, M.D; graduate na siya from CIM. Internal Medicine and Surgery na iyang specialty.

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ihatekillers · « **Reply #25 on:** March 05, 2009, 10:03:41 PM »

kanindot aning topica bah! hehehe of course BISAYA is the best jud kay dali kamao. uhmp y palag heheh joke ra ha kay kasab-an ta. Toinks** bitaw cebuano simply the best .

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #26 on:** March 06, 2009, 12:08:03 AM »

correct ka, bol-anon-sinug-banon is the best.

Central Visayan Pride!

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aduy · « **Reply #27 on:** March 06, 2009, 02:40:48 AM »

Why Isn't Bisaya The National Language?

og naay makabasa nga mga tagalog ani cgurado mag taas jud ilang kilay kay nganong Bisaya man ang himuong national language. Imposible kaayo? suntok sa buwan og bisaya o cebuano ang maging national language.

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ayessa · « **Reply #28 on:** March 06, 2009, 02:44:38 AM »

bakit kasi tayo nagbibisaya?

hahahah

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aduy · « **Reply #29 on:** March 06, 2009, 03:38:23 AM »

bakit kasi tayo nagbibisaya?

hahahah

mangampanya lagi para bisaya ang himuong national language hehehehe.... angay man sad ta magbisaya diri kay Bohol gud ning furoma.

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ayessa · « **Reply #30 on:** March 06, 2009, 03:39:31 AM »

aduy,

that was meant for a joke.

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aduy · « **Reply #31 on:** March 06, 2009, 04:03:56 AM »

aduy,

that was meant for a joke.

ah, mao ba. sowie

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