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Castrated men live longer
« on: September 25, 2012, 08:01:14 PM »
The ultimate trade-off: eunuchs live longer

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September 25, 2012
 
LONDON - A study of eunuchs in Korea's royal court has found men without testicles live longer.
 
Researchers looking at the court of the Chosun Dynasty found eunuchs lived to 70 on average, or 14 to 19 years longer than "intact" men of similar socio-economic status.
 
Three of the 81 eunuchs studied lived to 100 or more, giving the group a centenarian rate some 130 times that in developed nations today.
 
During the dynasty, which ran from 1392 to 1910, boys in Korea sometimes underwent castration in order to serve as eunuchs and gain access to the privileged life of the palace.

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2012, 08:05:54 PM »

eunuchizing in korea (this is just a film, please) ;D

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2012, 08:07:33 PM »
Employed through history as guards or servants in harems across the Middle East and Asia, eunuchs in the Chosun court were allowed to marry and had families through adoption.
 
Kyung-Jin Min of Inha University and Cheol-Koo Lee of Korea University believe the longevity of the eunuchs was not simply attributable to their privileged lifestyle.
 
"Except for a few eunuchs, most lived outside the palace and spent time inside the palace only when they were on duty," Min told Reuters.
 
In contrast, the average lifespan of the kings, who spent their whole lives inside the palace, was just 47 years.

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2012, 08:08:53 PM »
Previous studies have shown female mammals generally live longer than males, and one explanation is that testosterone weakens the immune system and can increase the chances of heart disease.
 
Scientists have also found that castration typically prolongs lifespan in animals but studies on people have been inconclusive.
 
While data on mentally ill, institutionalized men showed them living longer, the lifespan of castrato singers was not significantly different from their non-castrated counterparts.
 
The study was published in the journal Current Biology. — Reuters

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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2012, 08:16:09 PM »
A eunuch is a person who (by the common definition of the term eunuch) may have been castrated, typically early enough in his life for this change to have major hormonal consequences.  Less commonly, in translations of ancient texts, "eunuch" may refer to a man who is not castrated but who is impotent, celibate or otherwise not inclined to marry and procreate.

Castration was typically carried out on the soon-to-be eunuch without his consent in order that he might perform a specific social function; this was common in many societies.  The earliest records for intentional castration to produce eunuchs are from the Sumerian city of Lagash in the 21st century BC.  Over the millennia since, they have performed a wide variety of functions in many different cultures: courtiers or equivalent domestics, treble singers, religious specialists, government officials and guardians of women or harem servants. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2012, 08:20:15 PM »

Scantily dressed eunuch carrying a weapon keeps an eye on a harem in Tunis, Tunisia, 1931

Eunuchs would probably be servants or slaves who, because of their function, had been castrated, usually in order to make them reliable servants of a royal court where physical access to the ruler could wield great influence. 

Seemingly lowly domestic functions—such as making the ruler's bed, bathing him, cutting his hair, carrying him in his litter, or even relaying messages—could in theory give a eunuch "the ruler's ear" and impart de facto power on the formally humble but trusted servant.  Similar instances are reflected in the humble origins and etymology of many high offices (e.g., chancellor originally denoted a servant guarding the entrance to an official's study). 

Eunuchs supposedly did not generally have loyalties to the military, the aristocracy, nor to a family of their own (having neither offspring nor in-laws, at the very least), and were thus seen as more trustworthy and less interested in establishing a private 'dynasty'.  Because their condition usually lowered their social status, they could also be easily replaced or killed without repercussion. 

In cultures that had both harems and eunuchs, eunuchs were sometimes used as harem servants (compare the female odalisque) or seraglio guards. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2012, 08:57:54 PM »
men without balls still sexually active but maybe limited not totally agressive, behaviour changed ;D &  lot more calm and nice thats why they can live longer no more enimies at all., that's what dogs are for..hehe. ;D ;D
 

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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2012, 09:06:06 PM »
Castrated men here i guess no more, maybe uncastrated yamis only he can live longer..wahahah. ;D

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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2012, 09:18:46 PM »
If you were living in that time, Pikoy, do you like to be castrated to have longer life?

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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2012, 09:39:19 PM »
If you were living in that time, Pikoy, do you like to be castrated to have longer life?


yes sir fdaray as long as i am happy why not, but i want to have 10 children first before doing that.. ;D ;D

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2012, 09:49:49 PM »
men without balls still sexually active but maybe limited not totally agressive, behaviour changed ;D &  lot more calm and nice thats why they can live longer no more enimies at all., that's what dogs are for..hehe. ;D ;D

you mean only men with balls make enemies? ;D

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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2012, 09:56:26 PM »
you mean only men with balls make enemies? ;D

yes ms isle becoz they are totally hot hot hot..;D ;D & w/out balls refer that song sundalong y 8log..punay nalag katulog y buhat nga mahimo mau wa syay kuntra..;D ;D

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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2012, 09:59:35 PM »
kun kanta nag sundalo, nganong nagsundalo man siya kun wa siyay itlog?  unsaon na man lang niya pag-away sa kontra nga wa man kaha siyay enemies?

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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2012, 10:02:32 PM »
mahal na karon ang bayad sa veterinarian kun akong ipa-eunuch among mga iro ug iring.

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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2012, 10:03:48 PM »
kun kanta nag sundalo, nganong nagsundalo man siya kun wa siyay itlog?  unsaon na man lang niya pag-away sa kontra nga wa man kaha siyay enemies?

sa una daghan syag kuntra sulong sya sa pang gubatan unya kay naigo mn iyang 8log mau nga pahuway nalang siya pundo sa balay cge katolog, way buhat nga mahimo ug wanay pislit pisliton.. mau peaceful na iyang huna2x mau nga sa pagkakaron wana syay kuntra.. :D :D

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2012, 10:07:09 PM »
ahh, mao diay nay estorya sa kanta... morag ikaw may composer ani. ;D

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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2012, 10:09:22 PM »
mahal na karon ang bayad sa veterinarian kun akong ipa-eunuch among mga iro ug iring.

higti nlang nag lastiko ms isle saka dugayan maputol raman..heheh bitaw jawk lang..looy pud sa iro ug iring tawn mga migo raba na nako sila jud..hilak gud ko sa una akng pinanggang iro naligsan ug motor, lami kaayong patyon ang driver kung dle palang sala ug ma priso.. :D

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2012, 10:11:08 PM »
ahh, mao diay nay estorya sa kanta... morag ikaw may composer ani. ;D

d ms isle oi c yayoy..;D ;D

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« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2012, 10:13:52 PM »
makasabot gyod ko.  kun hilakanay lang bahin ug mga iring ug iro, expert na man tingali ko ana.  kun sukdon sukad sa gamay pa ko, nakabaha na akong luha sa marikina.

maayo gani kay wa nimo himoang eunuch ang driver nga nakaligis sa imong iro.

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« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2012, 10:18:20 PM »
6 Famous Eunuchs

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1. Sporus (First century CE)

Castration was a big no-no under Roman law; even slaves were protected against the act.  However, eunuchs could still be purchased from outside the Roman Empire.  Not surprisingly, the notoriously bizarre emperor Nero saw himself above the law and castrated Sporus before he married him.  Little is known about Sporus’ background except that he was a young man to whom Nero took a liking.  Nero considered Sporus to be his wife, and their marriage ceremony included Sporus wearing a bridal veil, Nero providing Sporus with a dowry, and afterwards, a wonderful honeymoon in Greece.  (Nero also married two other men, although they were not castrated because in those marriages, Nero was the wife).

It’s possible that Nero used his marriage to Sporus to assuage the feelings of guilt he felt for kicking his pregnant wife, Sabina, to death in 65 AD.  Sporus bore an uncanny resemblance to Sabina, and Nero even called him by his dead wife’s name.  The affair was short-lived, however, because Nero killed himself in 68 AD.



Sporus was not widowed for long.  He soon married Nymphidius Sabinus, who made an unsuccessful bid for emperor that ended with his death at the hands of his opponent’s followers.  Sporus again became involved with another powerful man, Emperor Otho, who was also killed by his enemies.  Sporus then became linked to greedy, gluttonous, and debauched Emperor Vitellius, who later had a villainous idea for a halftime show during one of the gladiatorial combats: he planned for Sporus to dress as a young woman and be raped for the viewing enjoyment of the crowds.  Sporus committed suicide to avoid the humiliation.

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« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2012, 10:25:32 PM »
2. Origen (185-254)

In the early days of Christianity, there was much consternation among believers about the issue of sex.  Many early Christians wanted to renounce all things “worldly” such as physical pleasure, material goods, and family ties in order to imitate the life of Jesus Christ.  The Gospels, particularly Matthew 19:12, advised, “For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven’s sake.  He who is able to receive it, let him receive it.”



Most theologians understood this passage to mean that a true Christian should become celibate in the hopes of gaining favor in heaven.  The Greek theologian Origen, however, took this passage to heart and castrated himself.  It is not at all clear why Origen did this since he seemed to be living the life of an unattached and celibate scholar. One fourth century church historian claimed that he did this so he could teach female students without the fear of temptation.  In any case, it seems the Origen was not alone in his zealous behavior because during a church council that met in 325 in Nicaea, the practice of castrating oneself became prohibited.

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« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2012, 10:30:18 PM »
3. Peter Abelard (1079-1142)

In medieval intellectual circles, Peter Abelard was known as one of the most brilliant theologians and philosophers, and students flocked to study under him at Notre Dame in Paris.  As devoted a scholar that he may have been, the beautiful and intelligent live-in niece of a churchman named Heloise caught his eye.  Abelard asked the churchman if he could move in with him and Heloise, explaining that the commute to Paris from where he was staying was too onerous.  In exchange he offered to tutor the seventeen-year old Heloise. (Abelard himself was more than twenty years older).



The two became intimate, and Heloise was soon pregnant.  They married secretly, as scholars in the Middle Ages like Abelard were supposed to behave like clerics.  In a series of misunderstandings, the churchman thought that Abelard had abandoned Heloise and he became so furious that he hired some men to castrate him, ending the love affair.  Abelard joined a monastery, wrote about his ordeals in a work called History of My Misfortunes, and later resumed teaching and engaging in intellectual debate.  Heloise joined a convent but continued to pine for Abelard in her letters to him.  Their child was raised by family.  Despite their separation, the two lovers are now buried together in Père Lachaise cemetery in Paris.

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2012, 10:44:03 PM »
4. Wei Zhongxian (1568-1627)

Eunuchs were common in imperial China for thousands of years, right up until the end of the Ching dynasty in 1911.  They often came from very poor families and were castrated as children so they could work in the Emperor’s palace.  Imperial eunuchs often wielded tremendous power because they ran the government bureaucracy and were the only males allowed within the walls of the imperial palace.

Wei Zongxian’s family did not intend for him to be a eunuch.  He was born poor, grew up in circumstances normal for children in his village, married, and fathered a daughter.  Unfortunately, Wei was also a gambler who quickly found himself in debt and was constantly threatened by those to whom he owed money.  Wei decided to have himself castrated at 21 so he could enter the service of the emperor.



For thirty years, Wei was clever enough to stroke the right egos and make excellent connections within the palace.  Probably the best career move he made was to befriend the future emperor Tianqi’s wet-nurse, Mistress Ke.  When the young Tianqi came to the throne at fifteen, Wei set about distracting the boy with all kinds of fun activities while he consolidated his power base and became the de facto ruler.  Wei was also the director of the secret police so anyone who opposed him was purged, and shrines dedicated to Wei were erected all over China.  Wei’s situation changed very quickly when the emperor died unexpectedly at the age of twenty-three.  Wei committed suicide and his body was dismembered and the remains displayed in his village as a warning to others.

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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2012, 11:30:38 AM »
5. Thomas “Boston” Corbett (1832-1894)

Thomas Corbett is known as one of the men responsible for killing John Wilkes Booth, the assassin of Abraham Lincoln.  He was born in England and immigrated to the United States with his parents when he was seven years old.  While in his 20s, he became a born again Christian and took the name “Boston” in honor of the city where his metamorphosis took place.  But Corbett had a weakness for prostitutes, and he castrated himself with a pair of scissors to avoid sexual temptation.  Interestingly, the Massachusetts General Hospital records noted that he did not bleed particularly badly externally, but what caused worry was that his scrotum swelled and turned black.  He turned out OK, though.  Later that day he went to a prayer meeting, took a walk, and then enjoyed dinner.



It is perhaps not surprising that Corbett was later locked up at a Topeka mental institution.  He had threatened members of the Kansas House of Representatives with a gun claiming that some of them had been disrespectful during opening prayers.

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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2012, 11:38:01 AM »
6. Alessandro Moreschi (1858-1922)

For roughly three hundred years, castrati (castrated opera singers) could be found singing in churches throughout Italy and in the Pope’s choir.  As previously mentioned, castration was prohibited, but parents made many excuses for why their sons had been castrated, blaming it on accidents, medical necessities, and so on.  One historian estimated that at the height of castrati popularity in the eighteenth century, about 4,000 boys were castrated each year in Italy.  Moreschi was the last castrato to sing in the Sistine Chapel choir, and the only one to have had his voice recorded in 1902 and 1904.



The eighteenth-century castrato Farinelli was the most famous of all castrati with rock star-like popularity.  He sang for royalty, popes, and adoring fans all over Europe.  Moreschi will probably be better remembered as his singing can still be heard today.

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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2012, 11:43:11 AM »
The last Sistine castrato to survive was Alessandro Moreschi, the only castrato to have made solo recordings.  While an interesting historical record, these discs of his give us only a glimpse of the castrato voice – although he had been renowned as "The Angel of Rome" at the beginning of his career, some would say he was past his prime when the recordings were made in 1902 and 1904 and he never attempted to sing opera.  He retired officially in March 1913, and died in 1922. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2012, 11:49:10 AM »
lupig ang macho voices ni hubag, bugsay ug pikoy, hehe.

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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2012, 11:51:40 AM »
What is a castrato?

A castrato (Italian, plural: castrati) is a man with a singing voice equivalent to that of a soprano, mezzo-soprano, or contralto.  The voice is produced by castration of the singer before puberty, or it occurs in one who, because of an endocrinological condition, never reaches sexual maturity.

Castration before puberty (or in its early stages) prevents a boy's larynx from being transformed by the normal physiological events of puberty. As a result, the vocal range of prepubescence (shared by both sexes) is largely retained, and the voice develops into adulthood in a unique way. Prepubescent castration for this purpose diminished greatly in the late 18th century and was made illegal in Italy in 1870. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2012, 11:53:59 AM »
As the castrato's body grew, his lack of testosterone meant that his epiphyses (bone-joints) did not harden in the normal manner.  Thus the limbs of the castrati often grew unusually long, as did the bones of their ribs.  This, combined with intensive training, gave them unrivalled lung-power and breath capacity.  Operating through small, child-sized vocal cords, their voices were also extraordinarily flexible, and quite different from the equivalent adult female voice.  Their vocal range was higher than that of the uncastrated adult male (see soprano, mezzo-soprano, alto, sopranist, countertenor and contralto).  Listening to the only surviving recordings of a castrato, one can hear that the lower part of the voice sounds like a "super-high" tenor, with a more falsetto-like upper register above that. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2012, 11:55:36 AM »
Castrati were rarely referred to as such: in the 18th century, the euphemism musico (pl musici) was much more generally used, although it usually carried derogatory implications; another synonym was evirato (literally meaning "emasculated").  Eunuch is a more general term, since historically many eunuchs were castrated after puberty, castration thus having no effect on their voices. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2012, 12:01:02 PM »
The Catholic Church's involvement in the castrato phenomenon has long been controversial, and there have recently been calls for it to issue an official apology for its role.  As early as 1748, Pope Benedict XIV tried to ban castrati from churches, but such was their popularity at the time that he realised that doing so might result in a drastic decline in church attendance. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2012, 12:02:17 PM »
The rumours of another castrato sequestered in the Vatican for the personal delectation of the Pontiff until as recently as 1959 have been proven false.  The singer in question was a pupil of Moreschi's, Domenico Mancini, such a successful imitator of his teacher's voice that even Lorenzo Perosi, Direttore Perpetuo of the Sistine Choir from 1898 to 1956 and a lifelong opponent of castrati, thought he was a castrato.  Mancini was in fact a moderately skillful falsettist and professional double-bass player. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2012, 12:07:54 PM »
Modern castrati and similar voices

So-called "natural" or "endocrinological castrati" are born with hormonal anomalies such as Kallmann's syndrome, or have undergone unusual physical or medical events during their early lives that reproduce the vocal effects of castration without being castrated.

Jimmy Scott and Radu Marian are examples of this type of high male voice. 

Michael Maniaci is somewhat different, in that he has no hormonal or other anomalies, but for some unknown reason, his voice did not "break" in the usual manner, leaving him still able to sing in the soprano register. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2012, 12:08:42 PM »
Other uncastrated male adults sing soprano, generally using some form of falsetto, but in a much higher range than most countertenors.  Examples are Aris Christofellis, Jörg Waschinski, and Ghio Nannini

However, it is believed the castrati possessed more of a tenorial chest register (the aria "Navigante che non spera" in Leonardo Leo's opera Il Medo, written for Farinelli, requires notes down to C3). 

Similar low-voiced singing can be heard from the jazz vocalist Jimmy Scott whose range matches approximately that used by female blues singers, while the Turkish popular singer Cem Adrian has the ability to sing from bass to soprano, his vocal folds having been reported to be three times the average length.

Actor Chris Colfer has a similar range.  Colfer has stated in interviews that, when his voice began to change at puberty, he sang in a high voice "constantly" in an effort to retain his range. (wikipedia)

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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2012, 12:13:22 PM »
wa maapil sa lista si barry gibb of the bee gees.  hinoon, obviously he's just a skilled R&B falsettist who made falsetto singing the bee gee's signature in the 1970s.

karon, pangutana.  aron mamatud-an nga di siya soprano, maayo tingalig mag-post ug youtube sa iyang singing si pikoy dinhi. ;D   

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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2012, 12:28:47 PM »
wa maapil sa lista si barry gibb of the bee gees.  hinoon, obviously he's just a skilled R&B falsettist who made falsetto singing the bee gee's signature in the 1970s.

karon, pangutana.  aron mamatud-an nga di siya soprano, maayo tingalig mag-post ug youtube sa iyang singing si pikoy dinhi. ;D   

puhon ms isle.., maasa raman na ba.. :D

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