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Parliamentary system, the LGUs and change
« on: July 02, 2007, 12:43:34 PM »
BY JOE ESPIRITU
Jagna-based Columnist
Bohol Sunday Post

Some of the Local Government Executives were apprehensive on the shift from the unitary presidential system of government to the federal parliamentary system. The question was; would the Local Government Units be under the control of the central government. Will all-important local policies require the approval of Imperial Manila? Will the LGUs still go hat in hand to the national seat of power to ask for their share of the tax? Apparently, these topics were not taken up.

The direction of the Chacha is the change from the presidential unitary to the federal parliamentary form of government. Everybody knows that in a parliamentary system, it is the parliament that is all-powerful. The Executive is subordinate to the Legislative. The parliament can choose the Prime Minister or later dismiss him anytime in his term of office. By the time the Prime Minister falls out of power, he can also dissolve the parliament, which is the government and call for a new election. This means, tenure depends upon the good graces of the Members of the Parliament. A Member of Parliament in turn depends upon the good graces of his constituents, which he has to face frequently.

There is a misconception that the parliamentary system is unicameral. There are countries with unicameral bodies, small countries like Israel , Denmark , South Korea and New Zealand . There are also countries with bicameral bodies like Great Britain and Australia . In the former, the House of Lords form the upper body while the House of Commons the lower one. In Australia the upper house is the Senate and the lower house is the Representatives. The province elects both senators and representatives. Before South Africa became bicameral, they were first tricameral, with houses for the whites, the blacks and the coloureds.

Governments can be unitary, that means having one central government or federal, composed of small coexisting political units within geographical boundaries. Both presidential and parliamentary governments may be either unitary or federal, federal presidential like the United States of America or can be unitary parliamentary like Great Britain . Or it can also be federal parliamentary like Canada , Australia and Malaysia .

In a unitary system Local Government Units are directly under the control of the central government. In the federal form, each federal unit such as province or state has its own local law, which are responsive to local conditions. In a federal system, each federal unit has the option on what role their local government units will play within the federal unit. As to sharing of taxes, a province or state can retain a share and remit to the national treasury the rest. The sharing proportion may be agreed upon between the province and the federal government. A poor province, like Quebec in Canada , claims much of the federal aid for its development and maintenance.

Politicians and established institutions fear change, any change. They never had it so good in the present system. People run for elective office to break into the big money environment. Businessmen go into politics to protect their interests. A change in the constitution might make political mobilization difficult, and even if it may be still easy their security of tenure is threatened before they could recover their investment. They could not keep voters poor and ignorant forever. Many suspect that institutions like the Church fear that the new constitution would not be able to grant them tax free pre privileges.

The Constitution has to change if we have to keep up with the present times. We do not have to pattern our form of government to any of the existing ones. We must make a constitution, which is responsive to our needs and aspirations. If we have to change it now and again, then so be it.

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Re: Parliamentary system, the LGUs and change
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2007, 02:29:50 PM »
one of the strongest points of the parliamentary system is that the passing of bills is more speedy because the parliament most often, if not always, is of the same interest as the prime minister, who is, after all elected by the body and therefore by the leading party. also, since the parliament elect the prime minister, one can be sure that more or less, the election is a very informed decision and is an educated choice by more educated people and thus lessen, if not eliminate, rampant vote buying during elections. but, of course, this isn't really full (and fool! haha) proof as vote buying can still be done when the members of the parliament are elected.
the problem with the shift is that, the philippines do not have the time nor the financial resources for it. it will create more problems than solutions AT THIS TIME.the people do not have sufficient knowledge of how a parliament government runs, and i am not talking about the general public but even the politicians themselves. also, a parliament needs political parties which have deeply rooted ideals. in the philippines, there are as much political parties as there is sand on the beaches and each party doesn't even have clear cut ideals or a platform which its members uphold. party affiliation is made not so much because the members believe in the ideals but so much because they got "married" into the party and i meant that literally; the son of this politician married into the daughter of that politician.
i am not saying that a shift shouldn't be done. all i am saying is that, we first must study and inform the people more about this. we should not make haphazard guesses and retract because we didn't vigilantly study the effects of the change more!  and while we are at it, we must make good and better of what we have now. disowning the pork barrel shouldn't be the basis of a good politician because it wouldn't help the people.instead, the politicians must make good use of the pork barrels by implementing projects for the benefit of the people. we can limit our political parties and ask them to make clear ideals so that people can somehow approximate a party's stand on important issues (pretty much like in the US, people know the stand of a democrat and a conservative!)...
we must be more mature as a people and as a nation.

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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007, 09:43:28 AM »
Very well said, Riva.

Yeah I agree. We should wait. The disadvantages of changing to a parliamentary system of government greatly outnumber its advantages, at least, with our current social and political situation.

Ayaw pagdali-dali, Pinoy. Hinay-hinay lang. :)



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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 06:00:41 PM »

Kining 'parliamentary form of government' ato na ning nakaplagan panahon ni Marcos. Usa niya ni gamita sa atong pang-gobierno, iya unang gimugna kadtong gitawag ug 'Interim National Assembly'. Interim meaning temporary. Ngano man? Boot pasabot ini nga si Marcos.... He did not ram through the throat of the Filipinos a parliamentary form of government which is still strange to the people. What he did... he let the late senators Emanuel Pelaez, Arturo Tolentino and Blas Ople studied different kind of parliaments all over the world. Ang nagustuhan nila mao tong French style with a strong president. Please take note that a parliamentary form of government has all the trimmings of a dictatorial government. All the changes that Marcos did was also changed when Cory Aquino came to power. Kining mga kukabildo bahin sa pag usob sa atong pang-gobierno nagpakita lang kini nga sakto diay si Marcos sa iyang gibuhat pag-usob sa atong gobierno?

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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 09:22:03 PM »
abi nako ning Parliament nga ni exist lang sa mga Monarchy countries..

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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2007, 07:03:54 AM »
Parliament nga ni exist lang sa mga Monarchy countries..
abi nako ning Parliament nga ni exist lang sa mga Monarchy countries..

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Naay imong ideya nga kining "Parliament nga ni exist lang sa mga Monarchy countries.."

Ug ako ang pasultihon, sa akong nahibaloan nga kining 'parliament' gimugna sa mga Inglis awat sa "Roman senate". Pero kalimtan usa nato tong 'Roman senate' kay mura'g layo na kaayo to. Atong sugdan sa 'British parliament'.

Una ang gitawag ug parliamentarians mao tong mga tao sa England nga misupak sa mga pamaagi sa ilang feudal lords. Kining mga feudal lords mao pud ning mga tao nga gisaligan sa hari sa pamaagi sa pagdumala gobierno sa mga tao. Mga loyalist sa hari. Ug karong panahona tawgon gud kini ug 'local government'. Tungod sa ilang pagsumpaki bahin sa pamaagi sa pang-gobierno nag rebolusyon ang mga 'common' tawo batok sa ilang feadal lords. There was a war between the parliamentarians against the king's loyalist.

Kining ilang kagubot moabot ug dugay nga panahon ni... Moabot pa kini sa panahon sa mga Cromwells mao ato lang hatagan ug 'shortcut'.

Sa katapusan sa ilang kagubot namugna karon sa hari ang 'parliament where the common people airs their greivances against the monarchy and they have the right to enact laws for their benefit'. They called the house in parliament the 'House of Commons'. They are elected by their constituents. Pero kadtong mga 'loyalists' sa hari nga mga 'feudal lords' gitagaan pud ug 'power' sa hari nga mga 'unelected members of parliament'. Mao ning 'House of Lords'. So... the parliament has two houses. Pero kining 'House of Lords' mao ni mobabag sa 'Commons' kung ang balaod nga ipasaka kontra sa kagustuhan sa hari. Mao pud ning 'House of Lords' ang gitawag ug 'privy council'. Sa ato pa ni Supreme Court' pero ang hari maoy chief justice. Diha makuha ang panultihon sa media nga; Judge, lawmaker and executioner rolled into one... the king.

Pero karon gi-usob ning sistemaha sa American and the French revolutions. 


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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2007, 09:15:02 AM »
maayo ning inyong pagkukabildo dre kay educational kaayo.



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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 11:45:45 AM »
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Padayon.... Ang kausaban nga nahimo sa mga Amerkano sa British system mao ang pagmugna sa gitawag ug "written constitution" kay ang British system way batakang balaod nga gisuwat. Ang ilang constitution unwritten. Unsa may boot pasabot ining unwritten constitution?  Ang boot pasabot ini nga traditional o namat-an. Kay kini ilang balaod nagagikan sa hari. Mga pung sa hari maoy balaod. Sa sinultihang inglis mao ni; 'The spoken words of the king is the law.' Kining mga balaora nga gisulti sa hari puro ni mga tulumanon sa usa ka lumolupyo.

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2007, 12:12:07 PM »
Maayo nlang na mugna ang written constitution otherwise walay tarong basihan sa mga balaud.  Salamat, Way Nada sa pag edukar namo ani na butanga.

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 09:21:26 PM »
Salamat sa history Way Nada..

Maong ingon ana ang akong ideya kay, sa akong nahibaw-an nga naay Parliament kani raman Monarchy Countries..

Diri bitaw, naay Paliament ug government, nagpa-explain ko about this karon, adah! naglibog kog samot haha

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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2007, 07:43:09 AM »
Grazie7y and Happy,

Maayo bitaw nga namugna ang 'written constitution' kay kadtong mga pung sa hari puro tulumanon nga sundon sa tawo. [duties and obligations to the king] Pero sa nahisulat na ang batakang balaod sa mga Amerkano gisulti na didto ang 'Bill of Rights'. Sa French constitution mao tong 'Rights of Man'. Pero pag-abot sa Pilipinas gi-abuso ang 'Bill of Rights' kay wa na may mosunod sa ilang mga tulumanon nga mao man untay daghan na nga nahisulat sa batakang balaod, sama pananglit sa pagbayad ug buhis. Daghan kaayo nato ning molikay pagbayad ug buhis. Puro na lang ang huna-huna ang ilang katungod pero ang ilang tulumanon hingkalimtan na.

Happy.... Kaning parliament nagagikan sa Monarchy sa England. Tinood nang imong sulti. Nganong moingon man ka nga; 'Diri bitaw naay Paliament ug government.' Saa man diay ka? Naa ka sa Canada? Aw kung mao na, kanang Canada apil na sa British commonwealth. Kining mga miembro sa commonwealth naay parliament unya ang ilang head of state mao nang monarch of England. Ining tampunga si Qn. Elizabeth II. So technically they are not an independent country. Makalibug no? Pero sa Pilipinas pa daghang pilosopo nga moingon nga kinahanglan ta independent country. Kining 'members of the commonwealth' apil na sa ilang cultura nga mopailwom gyud sila sa hari or reyna sa England. Mao ni gitawag ug culture of tolerance.

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2007, 07:35:49 AM »
Way Nada, salamat kaayo sa explaination.. makalibog bitaw tinuod..

Naa ko karon sa Denmark.

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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2007, 07:38:15 AM »
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Magpakaulaw sa ko kadali.  I read your posts word for word ug kanunay jud mosabod sa akong mata ning imong gi ingon na Batakang Balaud.  Unsa man ni sa English?  Pasensya na...

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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2007, 04:42:59 PM »
Grazie,

Sa English mao ni 'constitution'.

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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2007, 04:44:35 AM »
Now grace, you've got the answer, same here :)

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2007, 04:58:04 AM »
hahhaha daan ko pa lagi Cel na mo tingog ka jud diha!  I thought you'd say, makatulog na jud ka Grace! Maayo na lang gapakaulaw ko Cel nangutana ko kay aron ma sulbad atong duhang problema.

Thanks bitaw, WN oi coz the term batakang balaud is so profound and it really is kay Constitution man diay.

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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2007, 04:59:55 AM »
hahaha, wala nuon ka katag-an da! hehe

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2007, 08:35:53 AM »
abi nako ning Parliament nga ni exist lang sa mga Monarchy countries..

You are absolutely correct. Countries that utilize a parliamentary form of government are those who were under the control of the British Empire, and or one that has a symbolic monarchy as head of state. In accordance:

(these are mere examples)

The United Kingdom: Queen Elizabeth II
The Dominion of Canada: Queen Elizabeth II (commonwealth of nations)
The Republic of India: Ruled by the British
The Federation of Malaysia: Ruled by the British; actually has a King as head of state
Australia: Ruled by the British; Queen Elizabeth as head of state
The Kingdom of Spain: King Juan Carlos I
The Kingdom of Thailand: King Bhumibol Adulyadej the Great
The Japanese Empire: Emperor Akihito, head of the Diet (their form of parliament)
The Kingdom of Cambodia: King Norodom Sihamoni

The purpose of parliament is to redirect absolute power from the King to the elected officials, to the noble houses and to the house of commons, as a way to limit the power of the monarchy. It was developed, as means for a monarchical system to operate in a democratic process in accordance to the European Enlightenment of the 18th century to the Victorian Epoch. The Philippines, since its inception has never utilized a parliamentarian form of government, nor has ever recognized a King of the unified Philippines. It has always been a republic since the foundation of the Malolos Republic in 1898 and declared a republic in its independency from the United States in 1946. Parliamentarianism is a foreign political thought in regards to the Philippines.

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2007, 11:51:24 AM »
Happy,

Naa diay ka sa Denmark. O kanang Denmark parliamentary pud ang system nila pero naay 'feature' anang ilang gobierno pareha sa Sweden, Norway ug Finland, mao nang gitawag state welfare system. Kini tungod kay ang ilang gobierno socialist democracy.

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2007, 04:37:20 AM »
Dong, thanks posting. Kron pko kabalo sa uban country nga imong gi post nga under sa British empire.


WN,

Yep, they're a bit similar, as my hubby says.

there will be an election for the parliament next month Nov. 13.

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2007, 04:46:56 AM »

Moapil pud ko dires inyong pag kukabildo ha. Na interes man gud ko kay nindot ang pag padanggan sa Parliament Government dire sa Scandinavia.

As WN said, naay state welfare system.

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2007, 04:58:25 AM »
Welcome to our discussion, Hazel.

It is easy to see the success of a state welfare system in smaller countries in Europe, which also enjoys a rather high gdp per capita and gnp per annum due to the fact that their population levels are low (never exceeding 15-20 million) and enjoys a fairly high human developmental index. However, when in reference to the Philippines, which is a developing third world nation, our gdp per capita is at $5,000 a year, with a gnp of about $450 Billion. If one looks in the progression of nations, the more advanced and stable a nation is in terms of economics and infrastructure, the higher the likelihood of a state welfare system; where population is a prime factor. So long as the Philippines maintains such a high population, a low gdp per capita and a fairly limited governmental budget system, a state welfare system will remain a idealistic dream for us.

We can only hope that in the future, perhaps 4-5 decades from now, that our country will progress enough to have some form of limited state welfare system.

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In my personal view, the Philippine Republic is a sleeping giant, which for a long time has been subject to such insidious administrations that have take advantage of the people and the graft and corruption in our country, however, in recent years, this phenomenon has receded. When the Philippines rises from its current economic situation, which I predict will be around 10-15 years from now, if we can somehow maintain our national economic growth trend at current levels of 7.5% gdp growth, and increase our gnp strength at $ 600-650 Billion, and increase our gdp per capita at a reputable $8,000, then the country would be capable of implementing reforms in government that are present in developed nations. I am completely optimistic for the Philippines, a nation that has a massive population of 91 million people and growing at 1.8% a year, with thousands of technocrats graduating year after year, if we are able to concentrate our resources properly, the country could shake the region as a significant regional power in terms of military, economics and politics. The country needs nationalism, in my opinion, and the Philippines needs a proxy war with another country to instigate a nationalistic sentiment. War generates capital for the economy, and a common enemy will unite the entire country.



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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2007, 10:45:36 AM »

Happy and Ginger;

Ang gobierno sa Scandinavian countries pareho sa British ang mga pamaagi pero karon ang Britain gihinay-hinay na nila ug usob ang ilang pamaagi pinaagi ining gitawag ug 'privatization' nga mopareho na sila sa Amerika diin ang mga public utilities kontrolado sa mga pribadong kompanya. Pero ang Scandinavian countries wa gihapon ma-usob ang pamaagi. Ang mga sanga sa gobierno sama pananglit sa health care, transport system, insurance system, water and sewerage system ug uban pang sangay... kontrolado sa gobierno. Naa pay usa nga gusto gyud ni sa katawhan... kanang gitawag ug 'dole system'. Kini ug wa kay trabaho, minyo ka ug naay imong mga anak o inbalido ka... Tagaan ka ug kuarta sa gobierno. Mao ni nga moingon si Ginger nga nindot ang padagan sa gobierno kay hinatagan man ug kuarta ang mga tawo. Dili pareha sa atong Pilipinas nga sigi lang ug sulti ug 'Freedom' pero ang kadaghanan diay gi-panggutom.

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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2007, 04:20:58 PM »

Dong,

You're right! The country have enough natural resources to sustain and feed 91M people. Nationalism is a big issue. We need good politicians who truly love the country and it's people. But of course, it will start in each one of us, we cannot just change a vicious structure at once.

WN,
 
I hope nga dili gyud ma utro ang pagpadagan sa Scandinavian countries. Bisan tood ug dagko ang ilang tax dire pero kontento man pud ang mga tawo. Maayo kaayo ang Social benefits, libre ang skwelahan ug hospital. Kung mangita ka ug trabaho, abagan ka sa gobierno. Naa pud silay gitawag ug job security diin kung permanente kana gyod sa imong gi trabahuan dili ka basta-basta ma fire out. Ug moabot ka sa punto nga pul-an naka sa imong trabaho, pwede ka mo skwela ug lain nga kurso aron maka pangita ka ug trabaho nga malipayon ka.

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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2007, 05:40:46 AM »
Happy and Ginger;

Ang gobierno sa Scandinavian countries pareho sa British ang mga pamaagi pero karon ang Britain gihinay-hinay na nila ug usob ang ilang pamaagi pinaagi ining gitawag ug 'privatization' nga mopareho na sila sa Amerika diin ang mga public utilities kontrolado sa mga pribadong kompanya. Pero ang Scandinavian countries wa gihapon ma-usob ang pamaagi. Ang mga sanga sa gobierno sama pananglit sa health care, transport system, insurance system, water and sewerage system ug uban pang sangay... kontrolado sa gobierno. Naa pay usa nga gusto gyud ni sa katawhan... kanang gitawag ug 'dole system'. Kini ug wa kay trabaho, minyo ka ug naay imong mga anak o inbalido ka... Tagaan ka ug kuarta sa gobierno. Mao ni nga moingon si Ginger nga nindot ang padagan sa gobierno kay hinatagan man ug kuarta ang mga tawo. Dili pareha sa atong Pilipinas nga sigi lang ug sulti ug 'Freedom' pero ang kadaghanan diay gi-panggutom.

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Nindot bitaw ilaha diri nga pamaagi, dili jud gutman ang mga tawo. Bahala dagko ang tax pero secure naman sab daan ang future sa children kay free man ang school ug kung masakit wala pud huna-hunaon bayad sa hosptital kay libre ang hopsital pero mahal lang ang tambal kay dili man libre. Ang nakanindot pa jud kay kung simabko masakit nya naay tambal nga e-maintain, imbes sa ato magka-anam ug saka ang presyo, sa ilaha diri magkadugay ka ug palit magkaus-us sab ang presyo.

Naa pay kung naa kay anak, makadawat ug tag 1,000 Kr. kada buwan ang bata gikan sa gobyerno.

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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2007, 06:03:07 AM »
Happy and Ginger,

Kining sistemaha sa Scandinavian countries mao ni gitawag ug 'socialism' pero demokrasya. Ang Soviet Union sa unang panahon 'socialism' pud to pero communista. Boot pasabot nga way katungod ang tawo mopili kung kinsay mamuno nila kundi kanang gitawag ug; "dictatorship of the ploretariat". Usa ra ang partido.

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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2007, 06:11:49 AM »
"dictatorship of the ploretariat

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Mao ni ang sa Soviet Union? Hangtud karon?

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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2007, 06:30:31 PM »
WN,

Mao ni ang sa Soviet Union? Hangtud karon?

Happy,

Ang Soviet Union nag-disintegrate na ako lang gisulti para makahatag lang ko ug pananglitan sa duha ka klaseng socialista nga gobierno. Ang Soviet Union mao na kanang Russia karon. Ang ilang pamaagi mura pud ug parliament pero tawag nila Duma. Termino ni sa panahon pa sa Tsar.

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2007, 12:12:44 AM »
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Daghang salamat sa pagpasabot :)

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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2007, 12:06:30 PM »
I honestly think we Filipinos are barking up the wrong tree in our elusive search for a government that will work for us.

We've had five different constitutions since the Malolos Congress of 1899 (and yes, we officially count that far back to point to the birth of our independence).

And now we're entertaining a 6th Constitution! No great country has fiddled with its basic law as frequently as we have. We should start asking if the problem is really with a piece of paper or with us.

I can point to two countries that have really succeeded with the parliamentary form of government--U.K. and Japan.

As Way Nada has pointed out, U.K. does not even have a written constitution. Japan has not touched a word of their pacifist Constitution adopted under the umbra of the Americans since 1947 as public support for amendment is very low (even under the very popular former prime minister Koizumi).



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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2007, 02:20:07 PM »
In my opinion, we need to strengthen our institutions and steer our politics away from personalities. For parliamentarianism to work for us, we have to have stable political parties, like UK and Japan.

UK has a strong two-party system--the Labor and the Conservative parties. Japan has a dominant party system, with the Liberal Democratic Party consistently at the helm, but still sharing power with and subjecting itself to the checks-and-balances of the Democratic Party of Japan and other minor parties.

One can tell what a politician stands for by his party affiliation, because political parties have historically well-defined platforms and policy orientations. Gamay lang ang mga balimbing, because politicians choose their parties not out of the momentary expediencies but out of long-term commitment to policies.

While a symbolic monarchy, historically entrenched and popular to the masses, provides a measure of stability in the rough-and-tumble of parliamentary politics, I don't think it is the main ingredient for parliamentray system to work. A notable example is Thailand, which has always been bedeviled by military coups and whose political parties have never evolved as stable institutions.

I think parliamentary system is a recipe for disaster in countries with weak political parties and tenuous institutions. Imagine what would happen in a country such as ours if the prime minister and his cabinet are unseated with short notice by a no-confidence vote, or if the parliament is suddenly dissolved by the prime minister.

The last political scenario in Japan--when Prime Minister Shinzo Abe suddenly resigned (he probably thought he would be ousted by no-confidence vote anyway)--is unimaginable in the Philippines. Japan was practically without a chief executive for one week until Yasuo Fukuda, the present prime minister, was elected president by his party and subsequently prime minister by the Diet. The same one-week power vacuum transpired in May 2000 when then Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi had a stroke and went into coma before he eventually died.

Surprisingly, government was business as usual even without a chief executive for several days. Japan's efficient bureaucracy is vaunted to be able to preside over government routine without executive direction from day to day. With very strong political parties, the stage is simply not open for power struggle between any individual politicians.

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« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2007, 06:15:35 AM »
Hello mga bol-anon apil sad ko ana! Kay tinu-od man sad kung bol-anon, Wow parliamentary system? since when did we Filipino's changed our mentality regarding honest governing?. Would be able to handle the truth with your deceitful intentions? That is the question we should be asking our leaders because being a Filipino-Canadian, im setting right in front of that system and I'm telling you its not working either even with some honest leaders, what would it be like in our corrupt politicians--- its like I'm mixing black coffee with sour cream......what we should do though is change our way of thinking then maybe we can have a government that is for the people--- but again it seems like a plague..... what we need is A LEADER THAT CAN TRULY BRING CHANGE> AND THAT IS "JESUS CHRIST"... but we must do our part to repent and walk in newness of life and then we can live our lives responsible as citizens and leaders starting from our own households to our local community and beyond>> If we can start from their then we can see change from inside out.....changing our system doesn't do any better than changing our way of life/mentality.....we are all in it together even if i live in Canada, we have the same problem. the only difference is the place--- its the same spirit that is holding the world in bondage ---- peace...

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« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2007, 05:58:19 AM »
Rayborze opined; "what we need is A LEADER THAT CAN TRULY BRING CHANGE> AND THAT IS "JESUS CHRIST"

Boot pasabot mo Rayborze na relihiyon ang ipuli sa atong pulitika. Ang tawag ana 'theocratic government' pareha karon sa Iran ug Saudi Arabia. Ang relihiyong kristyanismo wa man gani magkahiusa unya himoon pang batakan sa pang gobierno? Karon... Granting nga matuman ang imong kabubut-on... Kung relihiyon ang masunod sa atong pang gobierno kinsa may motindog nga lider? Si Jesuchristo? Tua na man sa langit si Kristo di naa na pu'y tawo nga motindog 'as vicar of Christ' in the Philippines. Kinsa man na siya? Ang Cardinal, si Manalo, si Eli Soriano, Villanueva o uban pang lider sa relihiyon sa Pilipinas? Di magboto na pud ta unya balik na pud sa usual natong eleksyon. Sus! Mas dakog gubot ni. Hehehe... 



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« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2007, 06:19:51 AM »
I agree with you, WN!

We can have Jesus Christ in our lives and it would be nice if the leaders in our country are believers of Christ but I find it iffy when politicians capitalize on their "closeness" to God! 

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what we should do though is change our way of thinking then maybe we can have a government that is for the people--- but again it seems like a plague..... what we need is A LEADER THAT CAN TRULY BRING CHANGE> AND THAT IS "JESUS CHRIST"... but we must do our part to repent and walk in newness of life and then we can live our lives responsible as citizens and leaders starting from our own households to our local community and beyond>> If we can start from their then we can see change from inside out.....changing our system doesn't do any better than changing our way of life/mentality.....we are all in it together even if i live in Canada, we have the same problem. the only difference is the place--- its the same spirit that is holding the world in bondage ---- peace...

Ang bahin ani nga mo-agree ko is the need for a change from within. As I mentioned in an earlier comment in this thread, the Constitution is just a piece of paper. It requires the integrity and fortitude of mind among those who bind themselves to it so that it can make a difference in our lives.

The example of Canada is a very relevant one, because it is a federal parliamentary system, the very same government prototype that the cha-cha proponents hereabouts want. A federal system seems just right for a huge country like Canada and yet as Rayborze has pointed out, it is far from perfect (foremost among the problems is the secessionist movement in Quebec).

But I simply can't imagine what a federal system will do to the very small Philippines. Even as a unitary state, we Filipinos can't even seem to overcome the regional, insular, ethnic and tribal divides in our minds and put our act together! Won't further cutting up ourselves politically into small, independent units worsen such internal divisions we are already suffering from?

But Rayborze is right to say that before we can change the world, we should change ourselves first. Jesus, however, has rejected any political role even when he was still on earth--asking to give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's.

But I agree that we should allow our faith in God to change us from within and make us better persons. We can't govern this country if we can't even govern our individual lives.


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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2007, 10:32:35 AM »
Ang bahin ani nga mo-agree ko is the need for a change from within. As I mentioned in an earlier comment in this thread, the Constitution is just a piece of paper. It requires the integrity and fortitude of mind among those who bind themselves to it so that it can make a difference in our lives.

The example of Canada is a very relevant one, because it is a federal parliamentary system, the very same government prototype that the cha-cha proponents hereabouts want. A federal system seems just right for a huge country like Canada and yet as Rayborze has pointed out, it is far from perfect (foremost among the problems is the secessionist movement in Quebec).

But I simply can't imagine what a federal system will do to the very small Philippines. Even as a unitary state, we Filipinos can't even seem to overcome the regional, insular, ethnic and tribal divides in our minds and put our act together! Won't further cutting up ourselves politically into small, independent units worsen such internal divisions we are already suffering from?

But Rayborze is right to say that before we can change the world, we should change ourselves first. Jesus, however, has rejected any political role even when he was still on earth--asking to give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's.

But I agree that we should allow our faith in God to change us from within and make us better persons. We can't govern this country if we can't even govern our individual lives.


So, you agree with Rayborze opinion that; "What we need is A LEADER THAT CAN TRULY BRING CHANGE> AND THAT IS JESUS CHRIST".

Pero mao lagi ang pulitika dili sama sa relihiyon. Mura ni sila pareha sa tubig ug lana. Dili nimo ni sila masagul tungod kay ang relihiyon nagagikan sa atong pagtoo sa Dios, pero ang pulitika tawhanon, boot pasabot nagagikan sa atong pagsabot sa mga tawhanong katarungan. Ug naa pa tay gobierno sa dios ining kalibutana di hagbay ra ang tibook kalibutan nga hamugaway. We will just wait for the second coming! Hehehe...

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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2007, 11:42:39 AM »
So, you agree with Rayborze opinion that; "What we need is A LEADER THAT CAN TRULY BRING CHANGE> AND THAT IS JESUS CHRIST".

No, I don't agree with this. Bisag si Jesus mismo sa iyang panahon nibalibad sa suggestion of political role para sa iyang kaugalingon.

I think I clearly stated that what I agree on is the necessity of individual change from within.

If this will come about as a result of deep spiritual conversion that will make us more peace-loving, broad-minded, respectful of one another's beliefs and differences of opinion, cooperative, supportive of duly constituted government authority, then so be it. I believe that one of the marks of true spirituality is good citizenship.

The separation of Church and State is one of the pillars of our Constitution, and I think this should be upheld. I am against any form of religious fundamentalism or even theocracy. I have a lot of respect for people who have strong spiritual commitment irrespective of their professed religion but are also outstanding citizens and secular leaders.

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« Reply #38 on: November 26, 2007, 10:50:20 AM »
Bennelynne,

This is what Rayborze said;

"I'm telling you its not working either even with some honest leaders, what would it be like in our corrupt politicians--- its like I'm mixing black coffee with sour cream......what we should do though is change our way of thinking then maybe we can have a government that is for the people--- but again it seems like a plague..... what we need is A LEADER THAT CAN TRULY BRING CHANGE> AND THAT IS "JESUS CHRIST"."

This is what you said;

"But I agree that we should allow our faith in God to change us from within and make us better persons. We can't govern this country if we can't even govern our individual lives.I think I clearly stated that what I agree on is the necessity of individual change from within."

Di ba identical ang inyong mga panghuna-huna?

What does Rayborze mean? If I'll dig deeper the meaning of the quote above, Rayborze is saying that the person who will lead our country should act like Jesus Christ or else his mentioned of the name 'Jesus Christ' above is a real person who will act to be our leader. If the 'Jesus Christ' in the quote is abstract then what he meant is that before a person becomes a leader he should change his way of thinking and act like a saint in leading the government. Kung mao ni mura ni ug celestial government. Langitnong gobierno dinhi sa yuta.

Aw kini di man pud nato ni ikatinga kay apil man gyud ni sa tawhanong mga pangandoy. It's a pie in the sky... So they say! But according to Winston Churchill of England; Quote-It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.-unquote

In my opinion I'd better opt for the government described by Churchill as 'the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.' Ato sa lang ayum-ayuman ning atong gobierno karon kay sa mangandoy ta ug gobiernong langitnon nga way siguro di gyud moabot. Hehehe...

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« Reply #39 on: November 26, 2007, 10:57:48 AM »
hahahahahaha!!!!

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