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DAVILA:
Presidential Chief Legal Counsel Atty. Sal Panelo is with us this morning. Thank you. I‘m happy you made it. What happened?
 
Si Presidential Chief Legal Counsel Atty. Sal Panelos ang kuyog nato karun buntaga. Salamat. Nalipay ko nga nakaabot ka. Unsay nahitabo?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
The traffic is horrendous.
 
Grabe kayo trapik.
 
DAVILA:
Okay, fine. So do you really believe they should give emergency powers to President Duterte, ASAP?
 
Okay. Unya mutuo jud ka nga kailangan nila tagaan ug emergency powers si President Duterte, sa labing duol nga panahon nga pwede?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Yes, yes.
 
Oo, oo.
 
DAVILA:
Since it’s taking Congress a while.
 
Alright. But as Chief Legal Counsel, I wanted to ask you: Recently, our Ambassador, Ambassador Rebong, submitted an aide-mémoire to the Human Rights Commission, wherein she said the President did not issue a shoot-to-kill order. And the UN now wants that the government invite a UN personnel to come in and observe, and they said he lacks an understanding of the principles and institutions of human rights. Your reaction?
 
Kay nadugayan naman gud ang Kongreso.
 
Ok. Pero kay ikaw man ang Chief Legal Counsel, ganahan tika pangutan.on: Bagohay lang, atong Ambassador, si Ambassador Rebong, kay ni hatag ug aide-memoire sa Human Rights Commission, unya didto niingon siya nga wala nihatag ug shoot to kill order ang Presidente. Unya karun ang UN kay ganahan nga ang gobyerno mu imbitar ug UN personnel para muadto ug obserbar, unya niingon pud sila nga nakuwang siya ug pagsabot sa mga prinsipyo ug institusyon sa tawhanong katungod.
 
ATTY. PANELO:
The rapporteur is the one who is lacking an understanding in human rights.
 
Ang rapporteur ang nakuwang sa pagsabot sa tawhanong katungod.
 
DAVILA:
But that was the UN High Commissioner who said that.
 
Pero ang UN High Commissioner man ang gaiingon ato.
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Whoever that is. That should  be applied to him or to her, whoever that is. Now, no order was made by the President regarding shoot-to-kill. We must remember that this President is a lawyer; he is trained in the law. We lawyers always follow the rule of law.
 
You know, I remember the last time the rapporteur was telling us that there has been violation of human rights here, I said then that you’re 10,000 miles away, and you cannot be saying that unless you come here and see for yourself. And then I think the rapporteur said, “okay, I will accept.” You know what my (recording distorted) said, “Oh, so you’re admitting that what you’ve been saying had been baseless because why should you becoming here if you have already validated what you have said?” Oh ‘di ba?
 
Bahalag kinsa paman to. Dapat ipadapat na kaniya, kinsa paman na siya. Karun, walay mando ang Presidente nga shoot to kill. Atong timan.an nga ang Presidente kay abogado; hanas na siya sa balaod. Kaming mga abogado musunod jud sa mando sa balaod.
 
Kabalo ka, nakahinumdom ko sauna nga ang rapporteur kay giingnan mi nga nay paglapas sa tawhanong katungod , unya niingon ko nga 10,000 miles man ang gilayon nimo sa amoa, di ka dapat muiingon ana gawas kon nakaari naka unya nakit.an na nimo ang imong giingon. Oh, diba?
 
DAVILA:
There is a UN office in the Philippines. I mean, there’s UN staff here too, not just the rapporteur.
 
Naa may UN office dire sa Pilipinas. Akong pasabot kay, naa puy UN staff dire, dile lang rapporteur.
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Yes, but if it’s true what they have been saying have been validated, why do they have to come here? They can say that, “Oh, we have validated that already. We don’t have to come there.”
 
O, pero kung tinuod ilang giingon nganong mauri paman sila? Niingon nalang unta sila nga, “Oh na validate na namo na, Di na mi kailangan muara dira.”
 
DAVILA:
But I was going to ask you, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Zeid Ra'ad Al Hussein, says, “I strongly encourage the Philippines to extend the invitation to the Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary and arbitrary executions.” Will we invite? Will the Philippine government invite the UN Special Rapporteur to the Philippines? Have they received an invitation?
 
Pero mangutana tako, ang UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein, kay niingon “I strongly encourage the Philippines to extend the invitation to the Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary and arbitrary executions.” Mu imbitar ba ta? Mu imbitar ba ang gobyerno sa Pilipinas sa UN Special Rapporteur dire sa Pilipinas? Nakadawat na ba sila ug imbitasyon?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
But they don’t need an invitation. They should have come here in the first place before they opened their mouths. They spin a lot of things. You know, during the ASEAN Summit, I talked with Ban Ki-moon—
 
Pero di man sila kailangan ug imbitasyon. Niari na unta sila sauna pa sa wa pa nila giabrihan ilang baba. Daghan na sila ug mga butang nga gituyok tuyok. Kabalo ka, pag ASEAN Summit, nagstorya mi ni Ban Ki-moon---
 
DAVILA:
I know. I saw a photo with you and President Obama – somebody sent me. You were able to talk to President Obama.
 
Kabalo ko. Kita ko sa picture ninyo ni Presidente Obama --- naaay gahatag nako. Nakastorya ka ni Presidente Obama.
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Yes, I did. I talked with the Secretary General, I was telling him that all the information he had been receiving had been unclear)
 
O, gihimo to nako. Nakipagstorya ko sa Secretary General, ako siyang giingan nga tanan nga impormasyon nga iyang nakuha kay dile klaro.
 
DAVILA:
You told Ban Ki-moon—
 
Imong giingnan si Ban Ki-moon----
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Yes.
 
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DAVILA:
Tell me about that conversation.
 
Ingna daw ko sa inyong gistoryaan.
 
ATTY. PANELO:
More than 10 minutes we talked with each other. I was explaining him that these extrajudicial killings you have been hearing about are actually done by the members of the drug syndicate.
 
Lampas sa 10 minutos mi ga storya. Ako siyang giingnan nga ang extrajudicial killings nga iyang nadunggan kay gihimo man jud sa mga membro sa sindikato sa drugs.
 
DAVILA:
How do you know that?
 
Nganog kabalo man ka ana?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Look at what’s happening. How come there are so many killings? There are so many killings because there are so many surrenderees who  are pushers and users, both of them ... hey are either users or pushers or both. Now, if they are going to tell on their colleagues, now if you are one of their colleagues, what will you do? You’re going to protect yourself and kill them. That’s why they’re killing each other. That’s why nobody’s complaining.
 
Tan.awa ang mga nahitabo. Nganong daghan man kayo ug mga patay? Daghan kayo ug mga pinatyanan kay ang mga mu surrender kay mga pusher ug user, kanang duha… mga pusher o user o pareho na. Karun, kung ibuking nila ang ilang mga kauban, unya kauban ka nila, unsa ilang himuon? Imo jung protektahan imong kaugalingon unya patyon sila. Mao nang nag pinatyanan na sila. Mao nang walay ga reklamo.
 
DAVILA:
So you don’t believe there is a possibility of police abuse?
 
Di jud ka mutuo nga nay posibilidad sa abuso sa mga pulis?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
There is none, absolutely none.  You know why? First, President Duterte is so against it. He said anybody who abused authority will not go unpunished, there is hell to pay. And as we know, during the Senate investigation, those who abused or what appears to be an abuse, have been charged with murder. And not only that, there are so many policemen involved in drugs. Alam mo, Karen, hindi pupuwede iyong isa, dalawa doon ay hindi magsusumbong. There are so many of them eh. They cannot just abuse like that.
 
Wala, wala jud. Kabalo ka? Si Presidente Duterte kay di jud ganahan ana. Niana siya nga ang basin kinsa nga muabuso sa otoridad kay dile pwede nga dile masilotan. Ug sa kabalo ta, pag imbestigar sa Senado, katong mga na abuso or katong murag giabuso, kay gikasuhan na ug murder. Ug di lang ka na, daghan kayo ug mga pulis nga naglakip sa drugs. Kabalo ka, Karen, di pwede nga isa ra, duha dira  kay di musumbong. Daghan kayo na sila. Di na pwede nga muabuso ran a sila ug inana.
 
DAVILA:
Is it possible that while the President did not give a shoot-to-kill order, some policemen have felt or some of them feel encouraged or emboldened to take it to the extra step; for example, calling one a suspect to surrender, and  instead of, like, bringing him to the police station and kill him. Do you understand me? And then the report is ‘nanlaban’.
 
Posible ba nga basin wala nihatag ang Presidente ug shoot to kill nga mando, naay mga uban nga pulis ang na awhag; example, gitawag ang suspect para mu surrender, unya imbis ug dalhon sa istasyon sa pulis ug patyon siya. Kasabot ka? Unya ang naa sa report kay ‘nilaban’.
 
ATTY. PANELO:
You must remember, Karen, that these pushers and addicts are sick. They have... according to the experts, their sickness is irreversible. May problema talaga ang mga utak niyan eh. So when they go out—
 
Dapat nimong hinumduman, Karen, nga kaning mga pusher ug adik kay naay sakit. Naan a silay… matod pa sa eksperto, kay ilang sakit kay di na mayo. Naa juy problema ang mga utok ana nila. Mao na nga kung mugawas sila----
 
DAVILA:
You can rehabilitate—
 
Pwede man nimo ma rehabilitate---
 
ATTY. PANELO:
It depends. If it’s six months to one year, may problema ka na. Ang dami ko nang nakausap, ganyan ang sinasabi sa akin eh. Anyway, so iyong mga tao na iyan, when they go out, may mga baril iyan. Hindi susuko sa’yo iyan. Makikipagpatayan sa’yo iyan.
 
Depende mana. Kung says nga buwan sa us aka tuig, naa nakay problema. Daghan na kog nakastorya mao na ang giingon. Mao na kana silang tawhana, kung mugawas sila naan a silay pusil. Di na musko nimo. Makipagpatayan na sila nimo.
 
DAVILA:
So you believe all suspected drug users, I mean, fought—
 
Mutuo ba ka nga tanan nga gidudahan nga drug user, akong pasabot kay, nilaban----
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Definitely,yes. Kasi iyong mga sinasabi nila, even iyong that have been charged with murder, tinanong ko si PNP Chief eh, “Ano ba talaga ang kuwento doon, doon sa denemanda, para ngang mabait eh.” Sabi niya, eh kasi naka-handcuff daw, paano naman daw—sabi niya, “Alam mo, sir,” sabi ni PNP General Bato, “Eh naka-handcuff nga pero kapag pinasok mo iyan doon sa selda, you have to remove the handcuff. Eh pagka-remove doon sa handcuff, bumanat na. Kaya siya ...”
 
Siguradong, o. Kay ilang mga giingon , kay bisan pa ug nakasuhan nan a sila ug murder, ako man gud ug gipangutana ang PNP Chief, “Ano ba talaga ang kuwento doon, doon sa denemanda, para ngang mabait eh.” Ana siya, naka handcuff man gud, unsa man--- ana siya “ Alam mo sir” ana si PNP General Bato, “ Eh naka handcuff nga pero kapag pinasok mo iyan doon sa selda, you have to remove the handcuff. Eh pagka-remove doon sa handuff, bumanat na. Kaya siya…”
 
DAVILA:
Your conversation with the UN Secretary General, what did you say? What did he say?
 
Inyong gistoryaan sa UN Secretary General, unsa imong giingon? Unsa iyang giingon?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Well, I explained to him. Ganito ang argument niya sa akin, you know, if there are ten persons telling you that this is what’s happening in the country while only one is telling us, siyempre maniniwala kami sa ten, sabi niya. Sabi ko naman, that is perception. In other words, since those ten persons telling you that this is what’s happening in our country are getting the wrong information and transmitting to you, eh mali talaga iyong ano mo. Eh sabi niya, but that’s the perception. Exactly, perception  (overlapping voices)...
 
Ako man siyang gipasabot. Mao man ni iyang argumento sa akoa, kabalo ka, kung naay napulo nga taw ang gaiingon nimo nga mao ni ang nahitabo sa nasud samtang isa ra ang gaiingon nato, siyempre muto ka sa napulo, niingon siya. Ana pud ko, mao na ang perception nila. Sa ubang pulong pa, kay naa may napulo ka taw ang gaiingon nimo nga mao ni ang nahitabo sa nasud unya sayop man ang ilang nahibawan ug giingon sa imoha, sayop jud to. Unya ana siya, pero mao mana ang perception.
 
DAVILA:
So you just talked about (distorted audio) with Ban Ki-moon, nothing more? I mean, did you talk  about the number of deaths?
 
Busa gastroya ramo ni Ban Ki-moon, wa nay lain? Akong gipasabot kay, nagstorya bam o kung pila ang mga patay?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Hindi, ini-explain ko lahat iyan. I started with how many surrenderees, why there are so many extrajudicial killings. Sabi ko ang problem sa inyo, nakikinig kayo sa mga—
 
Wala, ako nang giexplain tanan. Niingon ko nga pila kabuok ang ni surrender, nganong daghan kaayo ang extrajudicial killings. Ana ko ang problema sa inyo, maminaw mo ana sa mga---
 
DAVILA:
You told the UN this?
 
Imong giinan ang UN ana?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Eh ten minutes plus kami nag-uusap eh, bakit hindi mo naman masasabi iyon.
 
Napulo raman mi ka minute ga storya, nganong di paman na nimo iingon.
 
DAVILA:
But you told the Secretary General the problem with you?
 
Pero imong giingnan ang Secretary General ang problema sa imo?
 
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Yes. Sabi ko, “You know, sir, the problem is you believe in what you hear and what other people tell you.” “What is happening in this country is this and that,” kinuwento ko sa kaniya.
 
O. Ana ko “You know, sir, the problem is you believe in what you hear and what other people tell you.” “What is happening in this country is this and that,” akong gistorya sa iyaha.
 
DAVILA:
Did you talk about President Duterte other than this?
 
Nagstorya mo mahitungod kay Presidente Duterte ug lain pa ani?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
I told him that our President, our country has been following the rule of law. Definitely there is no violation, whether international law or local laws.
 
Ako siyang giingnan nga atong Presidente, atong nasud kay gasunod sa mando sa balaod Wala juy bayolasyon, basin international pa o lokal nga balaod.
 
DAVILA:
How did the conversation end?
 
Naunsa pagkahuman ang inyong storya?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Well, sabi niya, “I cannot argue with you. I’m not a lawyer,” sabi niya. “I hope you can talk with our Commission.” Sabi ko naman, “Sir, there is no need for that. I’m telling you this to assure you that there has been no violation, whatsoever, in our country.”
 
Ana siya “I cannot argue with you. I’m not a lawyer,” ana siya. “I hope you can talk with our Commission.”  Ana pud ko, “Sir, there is no need for that. I’m telling you this to assure you that there has been no violation, whatsoever, in our country.”
 
 
DAVILA:
Now, I saw a photo of you with President Obama. I’m correct, right?
 
Karun kita pud ko ug picture ninyo ni Presidente Obama. Sakto ba ko?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Buti ka pa may photo.
 
May pa ka naa kay picture.
 
 
DAVILA:
No, I was sent a photo. And I’m presuming this is you with—I just want to confirm: This is you?
 
Dile, gitagaan rakog photo. Unya gapaingon ko nga ikaw ni--- ganahan ra nako mapamatuod: Ikaw ni?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
It looks like me.
 
Mura man ug ako.
 
DAVILA:
Okay, fine. Now, how long did you talk to President Obama?
 
Ok, maayo. Kaarun, pila mo kadugay ga storya ni Presidente Obama?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Well, a few minutes.
 
Pipila ra pud ka minute.
 
DAVILA:
Okay. What did you discuss? I mean, was it anything... this was like hi, hello. I mean, did you bring up anything?
 
Ok. Unsa man inyong gistoryaan? Akong pasabot kay, unsa man… kuan bag a hi, hello. Akong pasabot kay naa ba kay giusbaw
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Yeah, I told him ...I told him that he was not insulted by our President. I gave him the context by which the remarks were made I said, the question was predicated on a situation where a superior or head of a state confronting an inferior head of state. And that is precisely the President—
 
Oo, ako siyang giingnan… ako siyang giingnan nga wa siya giinsulto sa atong Presidente. Ako ra siyang gitagaan ug kontexto sa mga giingon ako siyang giingnan, ang pangutana kay gipasikad ra sa sitwasyon nga ang mas labaw o ulo sa nasud giatubang ang ubos nga ulo sa nasud. Ug mao na ang tukma sa Presidente----
 
DAVILA:
You said that, superior, inferior?
 
Niingon ka ana, mas labaw ug ubos?
 
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Yes, yes.
 
Oo, oo.
 
DAVILA:
When you’re saying inferior head of state, the Philippines?
 
Pag ingon nimo sa ubos nga ulo sa nasud, ang Pilipinas?
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Because the situation was predicated on that. That is why the President was reacting because he said, “If you—I should be treated with respect. I am the head of the state. You cannot do that to me.” So he was not actually—
 
Ug kay ang sitwasyon gipasikad ana. Mao na ang Presidente kay ni react kay niana siya, “If you—I should be treated with respect. I am the head of the state. You cannot do that to me.” Busa di siya sa pagkatinuod----
 
DAVILA:
You told Obama this. It’s quite interesting.
 
Imong giingnan si Obama ani. Makapaigan na.
 
ATTY. PANELO:
Yeah, I did. He said that, “I didn’t take that personally.” Okay na sa akin iyon.

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