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The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« on: April 11, 2008, 09:13:00 PM »
By Rudan Alberto Matig-a

In a discussion brief titled: “A Different View” the argument says that, the blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship. It is admitted and it could also be interpreted, so it says, as the first formal treachery or swindling committed by the Spaniards against the Boholanos.

My view is the treachery or swindling committed by the Spaniards against the Boholanos is not much of a surprise. Swindling, treachery or trickery, Legaspi as a soldier should do all what he can for the glory of his king and Spain. I am interpreting this as his sense of duty and patriotism to his country.

If there were anomalies involved maybe it was on the part committed by Datu Sikatuna? I believe it was Datu Sikatuna who sold us for 30 pieces of silver to the Spaniards. The years from 1563 to 1565 when the name of Datu Sikatuna is active in Philippine history I tag him as the conspirator in putting down the Vijayans. Datu Sikatuna was not a Vijayan but a vassal of a Hindu king from the Majapahit Empire. The Spaniards called us “indios” because the Majapahit and Vijayans are of the same stock of people, coming from the south of India and Sri Lanka. While they may be the same people they don’t have the same cultural and religious background. Sikatuna is Hindu while Humabon of Cebu, Datu Dalisdisan and Pagbuaya are Buddhist. Tribal wars among the people living in Bohol at that time were caused primarily by religion.   

The Dauis and Mansasa massacre:

By classifying the cultural and religious background of the people living in the Visayan Islands we can now see an outline why there was a massacre of villagers in Dauis and Mansasa. I have this idea that Datu Sikatuna and the two chiefs of Dauis and Mansasa, Pagbuaya and Dalisdisan cannot meet eyeball to eyeball because of religious differences. Datu Sikatuna’s eagerness to go to war against them is held back by the weakness of his forces against the combined forces of Dalisdisan and Pagbuaya, so he sought the help of the Ternateans or the Purtuguese. The death of Dalisdisan in that tribal war caused Pagbuaya to flee to Dapitan.

I cannot buy the notion held by historians that a combined force of Portuguese and Ternateans plundered Dauis and Mansasa because, if there should be a village to be plundered along the coast of Bohol facing Mindanao, it should be Baclayon or Albur which are very much visible to the naked eye from the ocean. If you conduct an ocular inspection of Dauis and Mansasa you will find these two as secluded places hidden away from people navigating the open sea, except perhaps if there is a Boholano insider telling pirates and marauders from foreign lands that there are Vijayans living there. [Dauis and Mansasa]   
 
Hinawanan:

The water at the mouth of the river in Hinawanan, Loay is not an ideal place to celebrate a blood compact but it is a beautiful place to hide a boat away from the prying eyes of the villagers. Today’s Hinawanan can vouch of its thicker population but during the 16th century I doubt if a soul can be found there. The river in Hinawanan is a tributary to the Loboc River. That area is swampy grown with thick foliage before and until now it is prone to an overflow from the Loboc River. According to Jes Tirol a captain in Legaspi’s crew was told to survey the coastline for a deeper harbor where they can weigh down anchor. The story says that he reached the coastline of Bool but he recommended Hinawanan as the right place as it has a deep water harbor. Is it also a coincidence that the place chosen by the captain is also the place where Datu Sikatuna resided, since Jes Tirol asserted that Datu Sikatuna lived near a river? Be that as it may but in my opinion aside from its marshy character of the place the water in the river is not potable. I think the river described where Sikatuna lived near is the one at Baclayon which supplied a lot of potable water for the villagers that flowed from the upland.  To be continued…

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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 01:35:48 PM »
Rudan, grabe ka naman are you enjoying what you're doing? Does it help educating our young children? You muddle history in your own personal opinion with no historical basis at all. God may forgive you!!

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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 07:03:29 PM »


I see a Dan Brown in Rudan Alberto Matig-a... a good yarn of a story based on historical events. Really. We need writers who could articulate and explore the emotional roller-coaster and the mental dynamics of these historical figures as the event was unfolding.

The Sandugo Oracle (Directed by Gardy Labad and Libreto by Nitz Luspo) showed us the tension between Sikatuna and Sigala whether the former should forge a pact with Legaspi. Thrown in for depth was the warning of Karyapa (the priestess-seer) that the coming of the white men will bring dire consequences.

We should bear in mind what was Legaspi's mission in heading the expedition to the Philippines. History tells us they were running low of supplies. They were turned down by angry villagers in Butuan.

Sikatuna was skeptic at first on the intention of Legaspi. It was the Bornean interpreter Tuasan Malea who bridged Sikatuna and Legaspi. If you ask me, if anyone should be given credit that the Blood Compact took place, it would be that Bornean.




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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 12:10:13 PM »
it was a period in history where europeans are looking for new frontiers as a conquestadores and in the name of Christianity to brought to the world. blood compact is maybe a ploy to lure us into colonization in a gentleman's way. bear in mind, this europeans were coming from the other side of the globe enduring the heat and storms of the oceans they sail to find gold. and of course determined to do whatever they can by killing those who stand their way or by a gesture of frienship. for me bornian or not it is still a boholano who was more civilized to drink the blood from a white man for friendship. this gesture, for sure, mould the friendliness and hospitable culture of the present boholanos that i'm proud of.   

MABUHAY KA DATU SIKATUNA........sikat na tuna pa!     

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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 01:18:14 PM »
Historically speaking, it was the very arrival of Hispanidad to the islands that led to the eventual creation of 'El Filipinoismo'. There are, indeed, a dichotomy of the positives and negatives as consequence to Hispanicization of the Philippines during the Colonial Epoch. However, nevertheless, it is their presence in this country that led to the creation of the Idea of a 'Filipinas'.

They provided the basis for the evolutionary character of the Filipino.

Mr. Matig-a, as one who has had superfluous research in Imperial Spanish History and Colonial Hispanidad, your article is interesting in that it shares your own personal flair to it. However, it can be destructive as that it secludes the other point of view. It is clearly very biased and by that right, has already prejudiced the historical aspects of the MASSIVE phenoma that took place in the Philippines during Pax Hispanica.

To understand the entire complex processes of History, one needs to examine both sides and show both points of view.



A fellow Historian,



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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 01:55:35 PM »
it was a period in history where europeans are looking for new frontiers as a conquestadores and in the name of Christianity to brought to the world. blood compact is maybe a ploy to lure us into colonization in a gentleman's way. bear in mind, this europeans were coming from the other side of the globe enduring the heat and storms of the oceans they sail to find gold. and of course determined to do whatever they can by killing those who stand their way or by a gesture of frienship. for me bornian or not it is still a boholano who was more civilized to drink the blood from a white man for friendship. this gesture, for sure, mould the friendliness and hospitable culture of the present boholanos that i'm proud of.  

MABUHAY KA DATU SIKATUNA........sikat na tuna pa!    

The Spaniards' policy towards the colonization of the Philippines is less bloody as compared to Spain's treatment of the Mesoamerican civilizations of Azteca, Atlhuatl, and the Incans. It was customary in the early 16th century, especially during the epoch of 'La Conquista' in The Americas (North, Central, Southern).

After the brutal conquest of Azteca and Inca, The Spanish Crown made a proclamatory act to prevent further brutal acts against the Indios. Critical to this and championing of the protection of the Indios were the Catholic Episcopacy that warned the Spanish Crown in the protection of the Indios.

Spain's goal in the new world, economically speaking, was to safeguard the riches (land, workers, gold, spices, trade lanes, possible taxation). However, it was the Roman Catholic Church that provided backlashes and criticized Spain for its ill-treatment of the Native Indios; especially after the brutalization of the Indios in America caused by disease proliferation.

This is why we observe a massive drop in Indio populations in the the Americas during the mid 16th to late 16th century. It was in the late 16th century that the Catholic Church further exercised its religious power on Spain in ordering the protection of Indios (coverted christians or not) under the Spanish Crown. Their argument was that the Indios were capable of recieving grace and accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior and Redeemer. Spain, being the shield bearer of Catholicism in Europe during the 16th and 17th centuries, acquiesced to Catholic demands in the protection of Indios and thus adopted a 'friendlier' policy towards the Indio. This is why the importation of African slaves came to hand in the New World because the employment of african slaves allowed the indio populations, which suffered from lack of resistance to European diseases, overwork, and war). Thus we see an eventual rise of Indio populations in the 17th century and unto the ending of Spanish control of its Colonies in the Americas, namely: Nuevo Espana, La Plata, y La Peru.


The Philippines, being discovered in 1521 and later in 1560+ was addressed by conquistadores that were told to maintain a 'protectionist' policy towards the Indios in the Philippines. This is the reason why the conquest of the Philippines was relatively peaceful, as compared to Spanish conquest and expansion in the Americas.

Privy to this conquest was the Roman Catholic Episcopacy, which sent hundreds upon hundreds of its Monks, Brothers and Priests to accompany Spanish ships to monitor the actions of the Conquistadores so that they would abide by the agreement of the Church and the Spanish Crown to protect the Indios.

The Philippines, in actuality, was a religious experiment for the Episcopacy and the Church. The goal was to Christianize and Evangelize the region to Christ and His Teachings. For the most part, it succeeded.



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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 02:32:04 PM »
Yeah, it's true.

The Bohol Blood Compact is not the first international treaty of friendship. There were many Sanduguans before Legaspi and Si Katuna made a Sanduguan. There were in Samar, Cebu and Limasawa Island. It doesn't mean "friendship" on the side of the Europeans, it means other thing as "you're under our country."

Why it became a tag that "the first seed of international friendship was planted in Bohol"? It's merely political. Carlos P. Garcia, Phil. rep to the United Nations said that famous line..while our politicians that time were claiming about it. Historically speaking, it's not the first in Bohol and in the Philippines. There were many sanduguans before it happened. Si Gala, a compatriot of Si katuna made a sanduguan first.

Kadto lagi pud atong mga katiguwangan, wala lagi pud masayod unsay tuyo adtong mga tawhana, nalalo. It's the Filipinos genuine friendship and hospitality that they received the foreign visitors with open hearts. Gipakaon pa nila, gipabawnan pa nila. What did Karyapa, a psychic said? "Careful, careful, I see darkness.." But people won't believe her saying, "Karyapa, Karyapa, mining manalagna, ang imong mga tagana, pulos sulagma..."

Nabuta man sila sa kaayo... see what happened to Troy? They were warned not to accept the gift horse from the enemies...wala nagpatoo mao nangamatay sila. The same with the Philippines, after adto naunder ta 333 years!!!! Maskin naay development and changes, dili mabayran and dili mausab ang history.

We're tired about panlupig, war, etc... because the Filipinos have experienced it...and it lingers!!!!


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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2008, 03:08:16 PM »
Well said, Leo.

History is history. It is useless for us to think 'what if'. We cannot alter history, as it has already happened. Its all about accepting the fact and moving on forward.





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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2008, 03:34:52 PM »
Yeah, it's true.

The Bohol Blood Compact is not the first international treaty of friendship. There were many Sanduguans before Legaspi and Si Katuna made a Sanduguan. There were in Samar, Cebu and Limasawa Island. It doesn't mean "friendship" on the side of the Europeans, it means other thing as "you're under our country."

Why it became a tag that "the first seed of international friendship was planted in Bohol"? It's merely political. Carlos P. Garcia, Phil. rep to the United Nations said that famous line..while our politicians that time were claiming about it. Historically speaking, it's not the first in Bohol and in the Philippines. There were many sanduguans before it happened. Si Gala, a compatriot of Si katuna made a sanduguan first.

Kadto lagi pud atong mga katiguwangan, wala lagi pud masayod unsay tuyo adtong mga tawhana, nalalo. It's the Filipinos genuine friendship and hospitality that they received the foreign visitors with open hearts. Gipakaon pa nila, gipabawnan pa nila. What did Karyapa, a psychic said? "Careful, careful, I see darkness.." But people won't believe her saying, "Karyapa, Karyapa, mining manalagna, ang imong mga tagana, pulos sulagma..."

Nabuta man sila sa kaayo... see what happened to Troy? They were warned not to accept the gift horse from the enemies...wala nagpatoo mao nangamatay sila. The same with the Philippines, after adto naunder ta 333 years!!!! Maskin naay development and changes, dili mabayran and dili mausab ang history.

We're tired about panlupig, war, etc... because the Filipinos have experienced it...and it lingers!!!!


Leo and colleagues,

I don't understand why so many of my fellow Filipinos find it embarassing and disgraceful to be considered part of the Spanish Empire; part of such a beautiful and magnificent political construct that was responsible for the spreading of the Christian Faith and the main and prime mover of European contact with the 'Virgin' world. Per se the Americas and the Orient/Asia.

I have attended historical forums; Latin American, European, and as a member of Phi Alpha Theta, have been in constant dialogue with many historians who specialize and focus in this particular aspect of Western History; Interaction in Asia-Pacifica, Asian Colonial Discourse, Rise of Patrimony after the Colonial Epoch etc.

Some individuals claim that being colonized was an act of bastardization of the Philippines and the Filipino people. The same as how some certain historians claim that Spain and other European Powers retarded the growth of many peoples and civilizations.

I refute such statements. Human civilizations are always successive waves; each historical epoch providing a historical layer of the historiography of a nation state. Its a unique aspect of humanity, actually. Think about the the creation of the Filipino identity. Was the Philippine Islands reserved only for 'Filipinos' ? I mean, if we go into such philosophical discourse, what does it really even men to be 'Filipino'? History and ethnology tells us that the earliest migrants into the Philippine Archipelago were the Africoid Negritoes, who came to the islands some 30,000 to 50,000 years ago. Millenias later, the arrival of the first Mongoloid Malay came some 10,000 years ago. Continued waves of Malay migration and inhabitation led to the movement of the indigenous Africoid Negrito to the north; many even intermarried and joined the greater body of the Malay invaders.

The 'Malay Filipinos' that contacted and met the Spanish Conquistadores themselves weren't pure Malay as they, most probably, had some kind of Ati-Atihan ancestry, due to the amalgamation of the islands during its rich 50,000 years of human interaction. Hence, the 'layer' of Filipino identity doesn't start with the Malay and doesn't end with it.

Hispanic patrimony in the islands, and colonization and eventual intermingling is but an example of one of the 'layers' that constitutes the abstract concept of 'Filipino-ism'.

If one looks at the discourse, in a species-level interaction, it is but a natural course.

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Am I embarrassed that the Philippines made an integral part of the Spanish Empire? No I am not. The reasons for it is because both sides; Filipino and Spanish profited and benefited. The Filipino learned of the concept of confraternity, egalitarianism, universalism, humanitarianism, democracy, jurisprudence, medicine, philosophy (European Enlightenment Thinking). The Filipino inherited from the Spaniard, his religiousness, his deep devotion to God (in the Christian Sense), and the concept of nationhood.

The Spaniards benefited from the Philippines politically and economically, but it cannot be denied that there is an irrefutable dichotomy of pros and cons of both sides.

I am proud because the Philippines rose to the occasion and manifested many times our need to repudiate European control by proving time and time again of the intellectual faculties and economic ability of the Filipino to equal and even surpass the European partner. Rizal, Del Pilar, and the lot bears witness to this (not to mention the hoardes of Filipino ilustrados who studied abroad during the 18th till the 19th centuries).

I am proud because we, as a people, like many Latin Americans have risen above the call of duty and fought for independence. We, as a people, mastered the tools of the conqueror and proved to him of our ability to govern ourselves. As in taking part of the very bureaucracy that the conqueror put in place.

The trials and tribulations of the Filipino; specially the ones that he suffers during post-colonialism bears testament to his ability to rise above the occasion. And work toward a better future, despite the history, despite the depraving circumstance.

To me, that is the very definition of what it means to be HUMAN. To Progress.

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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2008, 05:31:03 AM »
Yeah, it's true.

The Bohol Blood Compact is not the first international treaty of friendship. There were many Sanduguans before Legaspi and Si Katuna made a Sanduguan. There were in Samar, Cebu and Limasawa Island. It doesn't mean "friendship" on the side of the Europeans, it means other thing as "you're under our country."

Why it became a tag that "the first seed of international friendship was planted in Bohol"? It's merely political. Carlos P. Garcia, Phil. rep to the United Nations said that famous line..while our politicians that time were claiming about it. Historically speaking, it's not the first in Bohol and in the Philippines. There were many sanduguans before it happened. Si Gala, a compatriot of Si katuna made a sanduguan first.

Kadto lagi pud atong mga katiguwangan, wala lagi pud masayod unsay tuyo adtong mga tawhana, nalalo. It's the Filipinos genuine friendship and hospitality that they received the foreign visitors with open hearts. Gipakaon pa nila, gipabawnan pa nila. What did Karyapa, a psychic said? "Careful, careful, I see darkness.." But people won't believe her saying, "Karyapa, Karyapa, mining manalagna, ang imong mga tagana, pulos sulagma..."

Nabuta man sila sa kaayo... see what happened to Troy? They were warned not to accept the gift horse from the enemies...wala nagpatoo mao nangamatay sila. The same with the Philippines, after adto naunder ta 333 years!!!! Maskin naay development and changes, dili mabayran and dili mausab ang history.

We're tired about panlupig, war, etc... because the Filipinos have experienced it...and it lingers!!!!


Nouvo Espana now Mexico, Mexican are mostly assigned as the Administrator of Las Islas Filipinas. They are not that brutal compare to the Spanish Conquistadores.

I agree with you Ka Leo on names of this Characters si Ka Tuna ug si Ka Gala, its like si Ka Pedro or si Ka Juan. Theres no such names as Datu who is ruler of Bohol, Datu is used only in Mindanao tribal Leaders.

Mr. Matig-a should start digging the ground to proved his point. If found Shells and broken potteries surrounding the area, then there might be a settlement.


 

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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2008, 12:06:09 PM »


What was the character of the inhabitants of the archipelago (now known as Filipinos and the Philippines, respectively) before the coming of the Colonizers? Due to the absence of our own written record, we could not really tell for sure. We rely on the written accounts of foreign historians and travelers who jot down their observations, if any at all.

Yes, we as a people suffered under the rule of the colonizers. The collective experience helped shaped what we are today -- our perspective on things, our resiliency, the ability to laugh at ourselves, to endure, to be patient, the level of contentment, the ability to grasp an opportunity to get rich quickly, our religiosity, our morality, our conservatism, our liberated thinking...

There are good sides and there are bad sides. It's not all black and white... It's mainly shades of gray.

Happy blood-letting  ;D





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Re: The blood compact was not a formal treaty of friendship?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2008, 02:16:30 PM »
By Rudan Alberto Matig-a


If there were anomalies involved maybe it was on the part committed by Datu Sikatuna? I believe it was Datu Sikatuna who sold us for 30 pieces of silver to the Spaniards. The years from 1563 to 1565 when the name of Datu Sikatuna is active in Philippine history I tag him as the conspirator in putting down the Vijayans. Datu Sikatuna was not a Vijayan but a vassal of a Hindu king from the Majapahit Empire. The Spaniards called us “indios” because the Majapahit and Vijayans are of the same stock of people, coming from the south of India and Sri Lanka. While they may be the same people they don’t have the same cultural and religious background. Sikatuna is Hindu while Humabon of Cebu, Datu Dalisdisan and Pagbuaya are Buddhist. Tribal wars among the people living in Bohol at that time were caused primarily by religion.   



Mr. Matig-a,

As a member of Phi Alpha Theta, a prestigious Historical Society, and one who has attended many Imperial Spanish Forums during my college days, and doing collaborative research on Imperial Hispanidad with my professors, as well as teaching History Classes in college, I cannot allow you to proliferate extremely erred information.

You provide absolutely no valid historical source to even support your claims, especially the ones that I underlined specifically.

The truth to the matter, Mr. Matig-a, on the Spaniards' referring to the indigenous Filipinos as 'Indios' is because of a pre-established order of categorizing races from one another. When Cristobal Columbu (Christopher Columbus) discovered the new world in 1492 for the Royal Spanish Crown, he thought he landed in the spice islands of India, when in actuality, he actually landed in the island of Hispanola (in the Caribbean sea).

The historical context for this is because Columbu was hired by the Royal Spanish Crown to find a new navigational route to the Orient, especially new trade routes to the land of India, its spice islands and even to Cathay. It is the reason why the Spanish Delegation on board of the three notable ships, La Nina, La Pinta y La Santa Maria set sail towards the Western Hemisphere to find a new route to Asia/India.

Technically, they would have landed on the very shores of India or the Orient had there been no North or South America that stood in their way. And when the Spanish delegation led by Christobal Columbo (Christopher Columbus) arrived in Hispanola, he was met by indigenous people and immediately declared the new territory a property of the Royal Crown.

Columbus, thinking that he arrived in the new world, referred and documented the indigenous people as 'Indios'. Hence its use in Spanish vernacular in referring to indigenous people in the new lands it chartered under the Royal Crown.

Years afterwards, of course, after it was cleared that Columbus didn't actually land on India, but found the location of the two continents; North America and South America. The cartography and the illustration of the land masses was made note by the great cartogropher Amerigo Vespucci, who, too, was employed by the Royal Spanish Crown. And when Spain sent a military mission to the new world under the command of Don Senor Hernando Cortez, eventually conquered the Aztec civilization. Francisco Pizarro, too, was sent with a considerable military force and conquered the Incas of the south (present day coast of chile, peru, columbia).

And do you know what the Spaniards referred to the indigenous Meso-Americans as? They referred to them as 'Indios'. Not because they were related to the Indian civilizations of the Asian Subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh), but because the term 'Indio' had already manifested a new meaning in the Spanish Language.

'Indio' now referred to the Indigenous Populations in Lands that were chartered and administered within the continuum of the Global Spanish Empire.

Please check some very nice historical journals and absorb the wealth of information that it provides in the subject matter that we are discussing.

http://www.historycooperative.org/cgi-bin/justtop.cgi?act=justtop&url=http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/wm/61.3/martinez.html

http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ahr/104.3/ah000814.html

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When the Spanish discovered the Philippines in 1521 and later in the 1560s, they still retained and called the indigenous people as 'Indios' as it was the terminology to identify the races. When Spain colonized and incorporated the Island of Guam in its empire, it also referred the indigenous Chamorro people of Guam as 'Indios' as well.

In order for you to understand the reasoning for this, Mr. Matig-a, one needs to know that during the Spanish Empire, there was an established racial order. It followed:

La Peninsulare:
Spaniard Caucasian who was born and raised in Spain. Peninsulares usually took high and notable positions within the Imperial Bureaucracy.

La Creole: Spaniard Caucasian that was born in the new world, or territories of the Spanish Empire.  Creoles took position of lesser administrators within the administratum, and or as officers of the Army, Navy, merchants etc.

Mestizo Espanol Mixed Spaniard with native Indio blood. The term reffered to half Spanish-Indians of the New World or half Spanish-Malay.

Indio Native Indigenous populations of North and South America, Philippines, and Guam.

Mulatto Mixed African and Indio

Negro African Blacks; imported slaves during the 16th to early 19th centuries.


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So as you see, Mr. Matig-a, The Spaniards did not refer to the Philippines as 'Indio' because of a Hindu religion or Indian-Hindu culture. Nay, the Spaniards referred the the indigenous Malays of the Philippine Archipelago as 'Indios' because it was already a term that notes the racial category of the peoples. Established already starting in the late 15th century and early 16th century. Decades prior to the finding and landing of the Philippines.


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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2008, 02:18:45 PM »

What was the character of the inhabitants of the archipelago (now known as Filipinos and the Philippines, respectively) before the coming of the Colonizers? Due to the absence of our own written record, we could not really tell for sure. We rely on the written accounts of foreign historians and travelers who jot down their observations, if any at all.

Yes, we as a people suffered under the rule of the colonizers. The collective experience helped shaped what we are today -- our perspective on things, our resiliency, the ability to laugh at ourselves, to endure, to be patient, the level of contentment, the ability to grasp an opportunity to get rich quickly, our religiosity, our morality, our conservatism, our liberated thinking...

There are good sides and there are bad sides. It's not all black and white... It's mainly shades of gray.

Happy blood-letting  ;D





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Well said, Sir. As always!

There are dichotomies, but it is part of our identity. We are because of their presence. To deny it, is a rejection of one's own identity.

History has declared it so.

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2008, 02:42:19 PM »
daghan sayop nakarecord sa history...it's up to us to believe it or not...

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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2008, 03:28:20 PM »
That is true, Leo. As History is written by the victors, am I right? However, it is up to the individual to make an informed decision based on historical facts that have been researched, approved by an Academic Board that verifies and scrutinizes accuracy of said anthropological, philosophical, historical, ethnological context.

Les anyone can just fabricate anything without any proper sources. And individuals, with  no knowledge of history and historiographical processes will, unfortunately, take and digest the said 'speculation' and 'what ifs' by certain individuals as facts.

This, to me, and to many academicians within Historical community, is a grave depravity to the common man. Because this is more destructive.

So I tell everyone, keep on reading, keep on researching.

Understand both sides of the prism. Make a decision afterwards.



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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2008, 05:51:24 PM »


Don Senor Lorenzo muy gwapo,

I learned a wealth of knowledge from your eloquent discussion; particularly on the established racial tier by the Spaniards. Well done!  ;)




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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2008, 06:26:52 AM »
The pleasure is all mine, Beloved GEC.

Though I admire Mr. Matig-a's romanticism and almost Virgin-esque article on indigenous Malay cultural discourse. I find it quite nostalgic of a time prior to Europeanization of the Philippines, and the very diction he uses in his paper bears testament to a feeling of Pan-Austroasiaticism.

As romantic and colorful as it is, it remains anything but historical without any proper historical citation. And in this world of professionalism and academic discourse, the paper remains only as the writer's personal dream.

Whatever information and history the Philippines did have prior to Hispanization has been alluded to us due to the assimilatory processes. As titanic as it is to loose one's proper indigenous history, for us to conjure and create what if scenarios is no help.

If Mr. Matig-a wishes to divulge more about pre-Hispanic culture, I suggest he visit the Royal Colleges in Madrid and read the thousands upon thousands of written articles and journals that the Spanish priests, monks, and explorers documented about the Filipino native and the Philippines during the epoch of Conquistadad in the archipelago.

The Spaniards were not the type to eradicate information and history, on the contrary, Spaniards have documented massive amount of information on Meso-American cultures and ways of life during their arrival in the New World. And their writings, as primary sources, have proven invaluable to many Historians in the field of Latin American History, Hispanic Colonial Discourse, and Hispanic National Growth etc (to name but a few).

It is not a question of history being wiped out totally, nay, it is a question of the lack of Filipinos acquiring information about their past. Many Filipinos do not even read or talk in the Spanish Vernacular anymore. This is an impediment when one is trying to acquire more historical information about the Philippines because all of the historical papers that are in Madrid were written in old Spanish.

The information, the history, is there. It is accessible. It just requires a mastery of Spanish and Old Spanish Vernacular.

Good Luck and Good Hunting.

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... I want to learn Spanish... (sigh)

I want to learn  French, too! (double sigh)

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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2008, 01:35:18 PM »
GEC, wa ba diay ka kaabot sa Spanish sa college?

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2008, 11:22:00 AM »
GEC, wa ba diay ka kaabot sa Spanish sa college?


This is a trick question, Msdabinz!  Masakpan na jud ko nimo depending on my answer: 24 units, 12 units or elective na lang  ;D

Kabalo ko gamay pero kulang pa jud akong kahibalo...





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« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2008, 11:29:15 AM »
Aheerrrm! hahahhaha so naa ra ka dapit sa akong generation! wahahhahhaha

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Aheerrrm! hahahhaha so naa ra ka dapit sa akong generation! wahahhahhaha



95.1% na lang or hapit na ba 100%?!  ;D




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« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2008, 11:41:57 AM »
ahead ra ko kaajo nimo GEC! 96.2% na!

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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2008, 11:46:43 AM »
ahead ra ko kaajo nimo GEC! 96.2% na!


Yehey! Hapit Na! Malipay jud ko og ma 100% na so you can send me a place ticket to U.S.A. with my name on it  ;D




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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2008, 12:49:15 PM »


... I want to learn Spanish... (sigh)

I want to learn  French, too! (double sigh)

Gec,

Spanish is one of the most easiest languages, in my opinion.

If you can master the English language, then Spanish should be cake.

There are benefits to Spanish, as a Romance Language, in that there are strong similarities to French, Italian, Romanian etc.



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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2008, 10:14:17 AM »
unsa may angajan natong buhaton sa taliwa sa mga politika ug ekonomikanhong problema? sigue tag tuis aron mo sikat ta? maajo pay mag blood compact pud ta. Vino kulafo atong gamiton. pwede?

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2008, 04:55:32 PM »
unsa may angajan natong buhaton sa taliwa sa mga politika ug ekonomikanhong problema? sigue tag tuis aron mo sikat ta? maajo pay mag blood compact pud ta. Vino kulafo atong gamiton. pwede?



To make the Sandugo celebration a truly memorable event, to give everyone (at least those who are not in the street dancing and what have you) a chance to be really involved, to test one's courage and determination, and to have a more meaningful  legacy of the Blood Compact, I propose to the organizers, particularly to the Sandugo Foundation, to organize a massive blood letting event  for our Blood Bank as one of the highlights of the celebration.

Those who will participate will be issued a handsome (or beautiful) certificate that he/she can proudly display.

The organizer should keep track of the regulars so that through the years those who have donated a total of one gallon of their blood (or preferably an old Boholano liquid measurement term should be used) will have their names etched in bronze  or kamagong plates in a wall of fame.

And at the end of the blood-letting, the volunteer will be given, as buwadsanga suggested, Vino Kulafo (or some other exotic Boholano drink) to help replenish the blood they have shed.

 


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« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2008, 05:29:59 PM »
 Boto ko ana GEC kay ako naa nay na record sa Provincial ug ubay-ubay na to akong na donate kay atbang ra man to sa una ahong canteen( Cafe Camille) diha sa Hospital unja kay naa gani pasente nga taga amo adto man mangajo tabang sa balay so hasta ahong dugo ahong idonate kay di man kagawas ang pasente ug dili mapulihan ang dugo nga ilang nagamit.

Aron mahimong meaningful ang blood Compact maajo ni imong suggestion ug seguro aho ning hangjo sa kadaghanan labi na sa BAMMI ni Atty Calibo nga maoy President sa BAMMI.

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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2008, 01:04:12 PM »
very nice, inteligent and noble idea GEC! Di ko kaapil ana kay diabetic ko! inum nalang ang ako kong pwede!

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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2008, 01:52:49 PM »
Tuba nalang usa ka DAMA, aron mabaskog ang mo donate ug dugo.

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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2008, 04:24:58 PM »
Tuba nalang usa ka DAMA, aron mabaskog ang mo donate ug dugo.


That's it! "Dama" is the term. Di ba its an old term of liquid measurement by us, Boholanos? Pila kaha ang equivalent sa usa ka dama sa metric system, no?

Those who donated blood equivalent to one dama will be inducted to, let's say, The Dama Club, or whatever more appropriate name worthy of the honor and distinction.



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« Reply #32 on: August 29, 2008, 08:50:56 AM »
im serious ipa dajon ning ideyaha kay okay ni. ang usa ka dama kana bang dako kaajo nga galoon murag lampas tohod man siguro ang height ani unja lingin ijang lawas made of glass nga guipotos ijang lawas og binanig nga uway aron dili ma buak.

so pipol i suggest, Dama Club na ang ngan nato nga ni post dinhi. Akong ngan - One Bol(tagajan pud ni sijag tuba nga sakto for 1 person pangkatog!)   

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« Reply #33 on: August 29, 2008, 12:33:02 PM »
im serious ipa dajon ning ideyaha kay okay ni. ang usa ka dama kana bang dako kaajo nga galoon murag lampas tohod man siguro ang height ani unja lingin ijang lawas made of glass nga guipotos ijang lawas og binanig nga uway aron dili ma buak.

so pipol i suggest, Dama Club na ang ngan nato nga ni post dinhi. Akong ngan - One Bol(tagajan pud ni sijag tuba nga sakto for 1 person pangkatog!)   


This is great!

The blood donor could start donating "one bol" of his blood next year... then another 1 bol the following year.... until, through the years, ma reach niya ang 1 dama. Then, he/she becomes a member of the Dama Club.  :D

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« Reply #34 on: August 29, 2008, 12:47:05 PM »
hehehehhe! nice! nahala!!! kampai!!!!!

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