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Mao jud na sir macky! I heard from the stories of my great grandfather na there was a great famine in malaysia that caused the deaths of many malaysian. fortunately, the sultan of mindanao was generous enough to gave aid to the sultan of malaysia in terms of foods, medicines and other prime commodities. as an act of gratitude, the sultan of malaysia gave the land of sabah borneo to the sultan of mindanao. because their agreement was pure verbal only and without any written documents, kaya nabaon sa limot. imagine kun sakop pa gihapon sa pinas ang brunei, dato na unta kaayo ron ang pinas!

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Bran,

I was busy reviewing my Integral and Differencial Calculus and yesterday I did Hydraulics (Design of Dam, Dikes and spillways) para dili na mobaha.

Then I was tempted to open TB. I miss you guys!

Just a quick note before I get back to my review...

About this topic, since we consider ourselves as descendants of Rajah Sikatuna, then we are close relatives of the Sultanate of Sulu & Brunei, which gives us the right to claim Sabah, Malaysia.

Think about it...

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Bai Macky,
Busy diay jud ka kaayo karon para sa imong Civil Engineering Board exam and I think that will be next month.
Pero abe nimo para nako mas lisod ang board exam format sa Pilipinas kompara deri sa US. Continues 2 days/8 hour test is really torture and exhausting. Mao kapoy jud inig human.
By the way, I just want to share you my experience during my exam; I think this is the reason why I passed the PE exam here.
I take “2G”
2G means “God and Ginkgo”. Kani laging edad-adaran nata, medyo I feel a loss in memory. And of course “God”, just read this; Psalm 38:22-23.

Here some practice problem for you; Hydraulics kay sige man ang baha sa Pinas karon.

A culvert system is being designed to pass under a major highway. The culvert system must be able to protect the highway form runoff form a 2.5 inches design storm. The following information has been derived form a storm that produced runoff over a 2.0 hour period.

Drainage Area = 43 sq. mi.
Flood hydrograph peak discharge = 9300 ft^3/sec
Flood hydrograph volume = 3260 Ac-ft

What is the 2 hour unit hydrograph peak discharge?
What is the 2 hour design flood hydrograph volume?

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glacier.. dili na ta maglalis ana. Ang nakarecord sa historical commission is true and facts.

Diha gyud sa Bohol ang unang blood compact. duna lay laing pagduha-duha  nga dili diha sa
Bool o Boow, sa Tagbilaran. Basin ug diha sad sa Booy.

fdaray,

Dili nimo masulti nga; "Ang naka-record sa historical commission is true and facts"... ngano man? Tungod kay sa aho nang gisulti dinhi nga ang "history" naay mga gitawag ug conjectural opinion. Pananglit kanang naa sa history nato nga dugay nang na-aprubahan sa Historical Commission pero karon ilang gibakwi nga sayop. Kining sayop sa atong history mao nang Code of Kalantiaw, the migration of Bornean datus to Panay, golden salakot, Republic of Negros and the Bo-ol Blood compact.

Kining Bo-ol Blood Compact maingon nato nga sayop tungod kay dihay dukomento nga na-diskubre si Jes Tirol nga ang Blood Compact didto sa Loay mahitabo. Si Jes Tirol hing-adto sa Historical Commission ug nagsulti didto nga sa Loay ang Blood Compact basi sa iyang nakaplagan nga dukomento. Ug naa na puy laing dukomento nga ma-diskubre nga mas tinood kay sa na-diskubre ni Jes Tirol di mao na pud nay tahuron nga kamatuoran. Di ba?

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fdaray,

Dili nimo masulti nga; "Ang naka-record sa historical commission is true and facts"... ngano man? Tungod kay sa aho nang gisulti dinhi nga ang "history" naay mga gitawag ug conjectural opinion. Pananglit kanang naa sa history nato nga dugay nang na-aprubahan sa Historical Commission pero karon ilang gibakwi nga sayop. Kining sayop sa atong history mao nang Code of Kalantiaw, the migration of Bornean datus to Panay, golden salakot, Republic of Negros and the Bo-ol Blood compact.

Kining Bo-ol Blood Compact maingon nato nga sayop tungod kay dihay dukomento nga na-diskubre si Jes Tirol nga ang Blood Compact didto sa Loay mahitabo. Si Jes Tirol hing-adto sa Historical Commission ug nagsulti didto nga sa Loay ang Blood Compact basi sa iyang nakaplagan nga dukomento. Ug naa na puy laing dukomento nga ma-diskubre nga mas tinood kay sa na-diskubre ni Jes Tirol di mao na pud nay tahuron nga kamatuoran. Di ba?

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Asa maning dokumento nga ilang na diskubrihan? Reliable? Karaan gajod? Kay di pa raba uso written tradition sa una. Panahon pa ra ba tong Legazpi ug Sikatuna. Verbal tradition is most likely the vehicle how it was transported to our time and generation. And my big question mark is: I don't care how good our historians sometimes are - gawas na lang ug taga National Geographic - but you have to go through a lot of processes (study the age of the documents, the literary style of a particular time, etc) before you can declare something as historically authentic. Dili kay muadto lag Historical Commission kay duna kay nakaplagan nga dokumento and contest (refute) a particular historical fact. Dili ingon ana ka "yano" (simple) pag "unearth" ug mga bagay-bagay; di siguro himasag mga article/real stories from National Geograpic, etc. If any, you have to consult all kinds of experts related to those fields and they will study them and for a looooong time. Ergo, di jud ko motoo nga sa Loay ang tinood nga Sandugo (maski ila pa ning ge declare na) until I hear how the process was done and they can show the authenticity of said documents... ila kining e display one way or another sa usa ka museum ba or something.

My fear is that... tungod kay ilado na usahay ang tawo (one is preceeded by one's reputation you know), like Jess Tirol, son of UB Educator... yango lang pod dayon ang taga higher up. Besides, Bol-anons are, too, in most instances, dawat lang pod dayon ug istorya like they do almost every night kung mag storya na bahig tiaw, engkanto, etc. Samot nag gimantala pa sa newspaper, like they used to print Jess Tirol's articles in Bohol Chronicle. Nothing against Jess (he's my best friend's uncle) but nothing tells me he's an expert in "archeology" (the branch of anthropology that studies prehistoric people and their cultures)... except his few blurbs in Bohol Chronicle before and the fact that he teaches at the University. I admit, though, his article made sense... but so do Glacier's and many of you here at TB.

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Asa maning dokumento nga ilang na diskubrihan? Reliable? Karaan gajod? Kay di pa raba uso written tradition sa una. Panahon pa ra ba tong Legazpi ug Sikatuna. Verbal tradition is most likely the vehicle how it was transported to our time and generation. And my big question mark is: I don't care how good our historians sometimes are - gawas na lang ug taga National Geographic - but you have to go through a lot of processes (study the age of the documents, the literary style of a particular time, etc) before you can declare something as historically authentic. Dili kay muadto lag Historical Commission kay duna kay nakaplagan nga dokumento and contest (refute) a particular historical fact. Dili ingon ana ka "yano" (simple) pag "unearth" ug mga bagay-bagay; di siguro himasag mga article/real stories from National Geograpic, etc. If any, you have to consult all kinds of experts related to those fields and they will study them and for a looooong time. Ergo, di jud ko motoo nga sa Loay ang tinood nga Sandugo (maski ila pa ning ge declare na) until I hear how the process was done and they can show the authenticity of said documents... ila kining e display one way or another sa usa ka museum ba or something.

My fear is that... tungod kay ilado na usahay ang tawo (one is preceeded by one's reputation you know), like Jess Tirol, son of UB Educator... yango lang pod dayon ang taga higher up. Besides, Bol-anons are, too, in most instances, dawat lang pod dayon ug istorya like they do almost every night kung mag storya na bahig tiaw, engkanto, etc. Samot nag gimantala pa sa newspaper, like they used to print Jess Tirol's articles in Bohol Chronicle. Nothing against Jess (he's my best friend's uncle) but nothing tells me he's an expert in "archeology" (the branch of anthropology that studies prehistoric people and their cultures)... except his few blurbs in Bohol Chronicle before and the fact that he teaches at the University. I admit, though, his article made sense... but so do Glacier's and many of you here at TB.

Nangutana ka ug saa nang dukomento... you go to the Bohol Provincial Library. Makita nimo didto kay didto lang si Jes Tirol mag-research kay di man sija archaelogist. This document according to his column in the Bohol Chronicle was written by a notarial lawyer who was also one of the crew of the Legaspi expedition to the Philippines. This document was presented by Jes Tirol to the Philippine Historical Commission and they [PHC] believed him.

Before it was approved there was a deliberation discussing the authenticity of the document in the presence of the representative of PHC. The opposition panel were represented by Atty. Bantugan and Eddie Israel. Only Atty. Bantugan appeared and did not argue.

WN

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Nangutana ka ug saa nang dukomento... you go to the Bohol Provincial Library. Makita nimo didto kay didto lang si Jes Tirol mag-research kay di man sija archaelogist. This document according to his column in the Bohol Chronicle was written by a notarial lawyer who was also one of the crew of the Legaspi expedition to the Philippines. This document was presented by Jes Tirol to the Philippine Historical Commission and they [PHC] believed him.

Before it was approved there was a deliberation discussing the authenticity of the document in the presence of the representative of PHC. The opposition panel were represented by Atty. Bantugan and Eddie Israel. Only Atty. Bantugan appeared and did not argue.

WN

Well said WN. It's very helpful. But let me ask you this since you seem to know more (or have read about this claim): you mean the Bohol Provincial Library has an authenticated "actual" document - per message of yours - that dates back to Legazpi's expedition (since you said it was written by a notarial lawyer on that same expedition) and nobody knew about it until Jess Tirol unearthed it himself? That no one ever made a correction on this "issue" until only the recent times? And more importantly, nobody (even the Provincial Librarians since this Public Library was first established) reported about that "rare" document that existed? Wow! Incredible! I hope naka-laminate na ni ron like the Constitution.

To supplement this claim, do you know of any research made on this particular story like in the archives of Spain or Portugal - kung taga asa man tos Legazpi, as many historical writers would normally do before they write books on history, like Fr. Jose Maria Luenggo of Tubigon did when he wrote his book "Christianity in Bohol" (not so positive with the title anymore), where his written materials had brought him to far-flung places like Spain and Mexico so to confirm what he was trying to write? Such and such are my questions... maybe you can shed light on this, WN.

I read some of Jess' column, too, and many others (sa Bohol Chronicle)... but newspapers are newspapers. They're not official declarations!

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Well said WN. It's very helpful. But let me ask you this since you seem to know more (or have read about this claim): you mean the Bohol Provincial Library has an authenticated "actual" document - per message of yours - that dates back to Legazpi's expedition (since you said it was written by a notarial lawyer on that same expedition) and nobody knew about it until Jess Tirol unearthed it himself? That no one ever made a correction on this "issue" until only the recent times? And more importantly, nobody (even the Provincial Librarians since this Public Library was first established) reported about that "rare" document that existed? Wow! Incredible! I hope naka-laminate na ni ron like the Constitution.

To supplement this claim, do you know of any research made on this particular story like in the archives of Spain or Portugal - kung taga asa man tos Legazpi, as many historical writers would normally do before they write books on history, like Fr. Jose Maria Luenggo of Tubigon did when he wrote his book "Christianity in Bohol" (not so positive with the title anymore), where his written materials had brought him to far-flung places like Spain and Mexico so to confirm what he was trying to write? Such and such are my questions... maybe you can shed light on this, WN.

I read some of Jess' column, too, and many others (sa Bohol Chronicle)... but newspapers are newspapers. They're not official declarations!

I agree with you questioning the veracity of the document. I already posted a message here in TB questioning also that document which was written according to Jes Tirol 322 years since the landing of Legaspi in Bohol and Cebu. It was not the Bohol Provincial Library who authenticated the document but the Philippine Historical Commission.

If we know in our history that there was a Blood Compact between Legaspi and Sikatuna the document discovered by Jes Tirol is the nearest to the truth. If in the near future a document that is more credible than the findings of Jes Tirol is discovered then Jes Tirol's document can be debunked as a lie. But as of now the findings of Jes Tirol is nearer to the truth.

Below is my write up questioning also the veracity of the Blood Compact in Loay. My write up is based on the column of Jes Tirol that the Blood Compact happened inside the vessel San Pedro docked at that time in Hinawanan, Loay.

The Blood Compact:

Legaspi and Datu Sikatuna met not with fanfare and celebration as true blood brothers in front of the town’s people but in a secret meeting inside the galleon San Pedro. Sikatuna having a pact with Legaspi inside the ship to me is suspicious. In my view there was no blood compact at all but Sikatuna agreed an alliance with Legaspi to put down Rajah Tupas. A blood compact is a solemn rite to be celebrated among his people. It’s an old Asian culture of promoting amity, fraternity and friendship. One month or more after the meeting Legazpi took possession of the island of Bohol in the name of the King of Spain and the Boholano chieftain Datu Sikatuna allied with Legaspi in combat, conquered the forces of Rajah Tupas. In addition historian Jes Tirol himself said something like this; “Legaspi did not forge a treaty of friendship [quote also from a town mayor in New Spain] but made a tactical alliance with Sikatuna.” This is an admission that Spain was not interested in friendship but they were after a tactical alliance with Sikatuna to topple Rajah Tupas. Datu Sikatuna was made into an instrument to betray the Visayan people and handed the Philippines to Spain. The presence of extant manuscript is true but it does not necessarily mean that there was a blood compact. The written records were only a spin to cover up Sikatuna’s betrayal against the Visayan people. And this manuscript was never published until 1886-87. This is 322 years after the event happened inside the ship San Pedro.

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I agree with you questioning the veracity of the document. I already posted a message here in TB questioning also that document which was written according to Jes Tirol 322 years since the landing of Legaspi in Bohol and Cebu. It was not the Bohol Provincial Library who authenticated the document but the Philippine Historical Commission.

Thanks WN. Let me make it clear I'm not questioning, as in disproving. Who am I to do that. I'm only asking questions (say, lots of questions), esp. with how they came up with the declaration or authentication. Maybe I'm reading too much NG that I'm apprehensive sometimes of how our own so-called experts come up with things knowing fully well how the "other" experts (I really have high esteem for them) in these particular fields do their homework - how mind-numbing it is - which makes you appreciate Indiana Jones type of movies. All I can say is it's a lot of work and some of them took decades, not few years, before they come up with conclusions, which often are still debatable. Dili lang gamay nga "footnotes" nga napunit pod sa laing libro morag naghimo'g term paper or thesis para doctoral. I'm I making sense? Mao ra god pod nay akong gamay'ng perspective or insight. Merely for discussion purposes. Or maybe just a small "query" mind, exercising analytical mind.



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Thanks WN. Let me make it clear I'm not questioning, as in disproving. Who am I to do that. I'm only asking questions (say, lots of questions), esp. with how they came up with the declaration or authentication. Maybe I'm reading too much NG that I'm apprehensive sometimes of how our own so-called experts come up with things knowing fully well how the "other" experts (I really have high esteem for them) in these particular fields do their homework - how mind-numbing it is - which makes you appreciate Indiana Jones type of movies. All I can say is it's a lot of work and some of them took decades, not few years, before they come up with conclusions, which often are still debatable. Dili lang gamay nga "footnotes" nga napunit pod sa laing libro morag naghimo'g term paper or thesis para doctoral. I'm I making sense? Mao ra god pod nay akong gamay'ng perspective or insight. Merely for discussion purposes. Or maybe just a small "query" mind, exercising analytical mind.



i am also wondering, pads chico, how could such document survive that long and end up here? is this the original document? or a copy of the original? hehehe. there's a part of me who would love to accept its veracity, but a bigger part questions it. with all the claims and discussions from NHC and few experts, one can easily be led to believe that this is all it needs to establish the facticity of it. There's standard proof of authenticity; i would recommend that that document be carbon-dated, tested and re-retested by all means available technologically (pero basin ila na ning gibuhat, wa lang ko kabalo. hehe).

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i am also wondering, pads chico, how could such document survive that long and end up here? is this the original document? or a copy of the original? hehehe. there's a part of me who would love to accept its veracity, but a bigger part questions it. with all the claims and discussions from NHC and few experts, one can easily be led to believe that this is all it needs to establish the facticity of it. There's standard proof of authenticity; i would recommend that that document be carbon-dated, tested and re-retested by all means available technologically (pero basin ila na ning gibuhat, wa lang ko kabalo. hehe).

Hahaha mao jud. Basin diay pod ila na ning gihimo - galing kay wa jud ta kadungog kung unsay ilang gihimo - kay di basta-basta baja ning mag-usab kag "historical" item nga duna na sa'y naandan ang mga tawo, maski ba word of mouth ra ni na tradition, sama sa ubang tradition sa atong panimbahan. Both verbal and written tradition jud ang gesunod. And suddenly in the modern times makabalita na lang ka nga nausab kalit hehehe. I mean, sa kalit lamang...

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To Way Nada and to Chicogon and others,

Great points, I do have one other proposal. We have documents (or copies of originals) in Bohol as well as in Manila, however, one should read the papers and the manuscripts by Legaspi himself and his officers or by notes written by the Imperial Audencia of Spain. There are documents (In Spanish) that document this interaction in present day Mexico and in The Spanish Kingdom. The Royal Spanish National Library and the Royal Parliamentary Library has thousands upon thousands of manuscripts (in original) that are vaulted between Spain and its conquistadores and colonies during the Imperial Epoch.

One should access the Spanish library to finalze the verdict.
Legazpi made the trip during the reign of His Imperial Spanish Majesty Philip II the Great.
Who ruled Spain's Vast Empire from the early 16th century to the ending of the 16th century.
Magellan named the Philippines after the Emperor, Philipp II, and Legazpi continued what the former failed in attaining. Which is the Conquest of the Archipelago.

Since Legaspi was sent to the Islands with a fleet under Royal Promulgation and Royal Patronage, Don Capitan Legazpi must have had Royal Papers that were signed and sealed with the Royal Approval, a legitimizing factor.

Original reports between Legaspi and any Indios of rank will be recorded by Legaspi as well as his officers. Legaspi would have met with the Spanish Monarch in a later date to report to the King of the status of the expedition, the pros and cons, and would have made requests to the King and the Privy Council of the necessary equipment, and man power to cement the conquest of the entire archipelago. This interaction between Monarch and Captain would have been recorded by the ministers and documented and stored.

I am sure that the Spaniards have a verification copy in their Royal Libraries.



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Legazpi, who was unable to make the return journey, wrote several letters to the king after Spanish rule had been firmly established. These extant letters, though, are unlikely to contain any clue as to the blood compact site.

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To Way Nada and to Chicogon and others,

Great points, I do have one other proposal. We have documents (or copies of originals) in Bohol as well as in Manila, however, one should read the papers and the manuscripts by Legaspi himself and his officers or by notes written by the Imperial Audencia of Spain. There are documents (In Spanish) that document this interaction in present day Mexico and in The Spanish Kingdom. The Royal Spanish National Library and the Royal Parliamentary Library has thousands upon thousands of manuscripts (in original) that are vaulted between Spain and its conquistadores and colonies during the Imperial Epoch.

One should access the Spanish library to finalze the verdict.
Legazpi made the trip during the reign of His Imperial Spanish Majesty Philip II the Great.
Who ruled Spain's Vast Empire from the early 16th century to the ending of the 16th century.
Magellan named the Philippines after the Emperor, Philipp II, and Legazpi continued what the former failed in attaining. Which is the Conquest of the Archipelago.

Since Legaspi was sent to the Islands with a fleet under Royal Promulgation and Royal Patronage, Don Capitan Legazpi must have had Royal Papers that were signed and sealed with the Royal Approval, a legitimizing factor.

Original reports between Legaspi and any Indios of rank will be recorded by Legaspi as well as his officers. Legaspi would have met with the Spanish Monarch in a later date to report to the King of the status of the expedition, the pros and cons, and would have made requests to the King and the Privy Council of the necessary equipment, and man power to cement the conquest of the entire archipelago. This interaction between Monarch and Captain would have been recorded by the ministers and documented and stored.

I am sure that the Spaniards have a verification copy in their Royal Libraries.



Good job, Bran. But my question was about the transfer of the actual site of the Blood Compact from Bool to Loay... how in the world did they miss that in the first place?!!! That's the issue I have. In fact, there are two markers now in Bohol, one in Bool and one in Loay. That is why they too have 2 celebrations of the re-enactment feast, one in Loay and the traditional Sandugo in Tagbilaran around July. Which is which? Hehehe.

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Good job, Bran. But my question was about the transfer of the actual site of the Blood Compact from Bool to Loay... how in the world did they miss that in the first place?!!! That's the issue I have. In fact, there are two markers now in Bohol, one in Bool and one in Loay. That is why they too have 2 celebrations of the re-enactment feast, one in Loay and the traditional Sandugo in Tagbilaran around July. Which is which? Hehehe.

Sa Bool tingali to una ang Venue, pads. Tungod wa may klaro ang organizers, it turned out to be a fiasco. The place was infested with mosquitoes; food not delicious; no snacks. So Loay salvaged the opportunity. whahahahaha.

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Sa Bool tingali to una ang Venue, pads. Tungod wa may klaro ang organizers, it turned out to be a fiasco. The place was infested with mosquitoes; food not delicious; no snacks. So Loay salvaged the opportunity. whahahahaha.

Bwahahaha... cholerang Legazpi morag taga confab ni reklamo kay bbq saging ray snakz!!!  ;D

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My dear intellectual and educated brothers and sisters,
To whom I share a delectable interest in our communal history,
Let me say that I do enjoy this thread.


To answer the remark made by Hubag Bohol,
Sir, that is a good point and we all must take into consideration that Gobernador De Legaspi did not make a return trip from Manila to Nueva Espana or to Espana Madre, however, he did, as you stated, make regular correspondence with the Imperial Audencia as well as directly to the Royal Monarch, Felipe II--Rey De Espana y Imperador del Imperio Hispanoles. (Philipp II, The King of Spain and Emperor of the Spanish Empire). This was made known in:  "Cartas al Rey Don Felipe II: sobre la expedicion, conquistas y progresos de las islas Felipinas" (Letters to the King Sir Philip II: on the expedition, conquests and progress of the Philippine Islands). The letters are still preserved today at the archives of the indies in Seville, Spain.

Legaspi, who was also the first Gobernador of Las Islas Filipinas also made frequent and regular correspondence with The Viceroyalty of Nueva Espana and the Viceroy as well as with the Imperial Audencia, requesting monetary assistance, as well as military provisions and religious episcopal allignment that led to the conquest of Luzon, the Visayas and most of Northern Mindanao by the time of his death in the late 16th century.

He was so successful that The Audencia once remarked:
"After the islands had been conquered by the sovereign light of the holy gospel which entered therein, the heathen were baptized, the darkness of their paganism was banished and they changed their own for Christian names. The islands also, losing their former name, took--with the change of religion and the baptism of their inhabitants--that of Filipinas Islands, in recognition of the great favors received at the hands of his Majesty Filipe the Second, our sovereign, in whose fortunate time and reign they were conquered, protected and encouraged, as a work and achievement of his royal hands."

Source: Antonio de Morga. "History of the Philippine Islands". Project Gutenburg. Retrieved 2004-12-01. 




The point I am trying to make, is that there are thousands of historical artifacts, and documents that are in the libraries of Mexico City, (as Legaspi was the mayor of Mexico City prior to his mission to conquor the Philippine Islands, as ordered by The Spanish King, His Imperial Spanish Majesty, Philip II, King of Spain and Lord of the Spanish Realms and Conquored Territories, Who by Grace of God--willed it that Christianity through Spain would supplant the paganism prior to Spain's Christian Crusade).

There may be letters, correspondence between Legaspi and Nueva Espana, as well as to his family members (as he did have 9 children, of whom did settle in Mexico City). I am quite confident that Legaspi definately wrote to them, in the letteres, and to his officers as well as to members of the Peninsulare Class. These letters, documents, would have been stationed, and preserved in one of the many libraries in Mexico and in Seville, Spain (for example).

It only requires a Filipino Historian who is well versed in Spanish (Old Castillian Dialect) to find these letters, papers, and translate them.



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Good job, Bran. But my question was about the transfer of the actual site of the Blood Compact from Bool to Loay... how in the world did they miss that in the first place?!!! That's the issue I have. In fact, there are two markers now in Bohol, one in Bool and one in Loay. That is why they too have 2 celebrations of the re-enactment feast, one in Loay and the traditional Sandugo in Tagbilaran around July. Which is which? Hehehe.

I think it is appropriate to have two festivities to commemorate the historical event.
The discovery of the exact place of the historic blood compact is the mission of the Historical Body: Filipinos and Foreign. Theirs is the goal to identify the answer of our questions. We, as concerned and interested history students (as we all are students of history, he he he) cannot help but infer our own ifs/ands/or/buts about it as this matter does involve us. It involves our identity as Boholano, and the history of our people, our island, and its relation to the Spanish---and their 300-some year long history in the Philippines. Which, inevetibly shaped the identity of the Bol-anon and in a larger scheme---the Identity of the Filipino.

This blood compact is pivotal because it is where East meets West. I would not say that the Blood compact destroyed Bol-anon autonomy and Indigenous Culture, nay, I say the Blood compact began the rich culture and history of the Philippines--to which, without it, our identity as a Filipno would be non-existent.

Catholicism, Christianity, Our Names, Roman Law, Hispanic Religiousity (to which we inherited from the Spaniards), Familial importance, our names, our history, our Mixed Culture.

The present is a product of the past.
To know more about our colonial history means to know more about our identity.
We have to learn, and accept and see the pros and cons of colonial rule. Its our history.




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LOL @ Father and Glac, I love how our conversations always manages to involve food hahahahaha!
Na gutom ko after reading Pop's response entries. LOL!

I love it!

with the conflicting issues surrounding the actual Blood Compact site, enz, one can only imagine if there was any failure of logistics and organizing that occurred that time like what happened to the historic Confab's fiasco at HNU  ;D ;D ;D

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In support of the posters in this thread,

I think a better source to follow would be the Bohol Historical Body and Library as compared to the Philippine National Historical Body, as their resources would be quite limited.

Now considering Bohol was once part of the Province of Cebu (prior to the edict of provincial proclamation that made Bohol an independent province independent of Cebu), I personally would search the historical libraries in Cebu for any old manuscripts involving the Blood Compact written by the individuals that took part in it or relatives of the some 500 Spanish conquistadores that oversaw the event.

Logistics, indeed, Glacier, is something we have to take into consideration.

We need to put ourselves in the mentality and mind of those living in that time period.
The 3 W's come into place: Why, Where, When.

he he he




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We not only need to learn his-story, but also herstory  ;D Smile my dear Enzo!!!

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We not only need to learn his-story, but also herstory  ;D Smile my dear Enzo!!!

Hahaha, Pops, you are truly a great heart.
Yes you are right, Father. Her-story is important too.

In light of the Immaculate Heart of our Mother, The Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus Christ--the DIVINE WORD...yes yes.

Her-story is important too. :)




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