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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2012, 01:01:54 PM »
Mrs. Fortunata Tan - Salvo

( eldest daughter of Tan Ngai He [Lolo Mariano] )


Lola Nating pictured with my cousin, Christian Grace.

Mrs. Fortunata Tan-Salvo was a decorated Filipino War Veteran and served with the Philippine Army during WWII. She braved with American and Filipino insurgents in fighting the Japanese during their occupation of Bohol Island.

After the war, Ms. Fortunata Tan married Mr. Casiano Salise Salvo Sr. They both had 5 children. Mrs. Fortunata Tan-Salvo passed away in July 18, 1998. She was a beloved mother and grandmother.

She's my grandmother.


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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2012, 01:02:34 PM »
Lola Nating, Lolo Ciano, Joseph, Forlyn and Me:



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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2012, 01:17:50 PM »
Ceciliano Tan.
(the younger brother of my Lola Babing; my Grand Uncle)


According to the words of Lola Babing (Balbina Tan), her brother, Ceciliano, was a prolific academic. He was an intellectual when he studied in Valencia Elementary. He was a top student in the school and a constant honor's student. Since he lived in China for 4 years during the time when Lolo Mariano took the family back to Guangzhou, he actually assimilated into life in China. That is why he actually preferred to speak in his father's language. It was said by my Lola Babing that he and my Lola Nating were the favorites of  Lolo Mariano's parents.

Ceciliano Tan was a polyglot. He was fluent in Cantonese (a southern Chinese dialect), Mandarin (a northern Chinese dialect), in Binisayang Bol-anon, Tagalog, Spanish, and English. He was a prolific writer. Because of my great-grandfather's influence, he was a delicate calligrapher kono and when he would write letters to my Lolo Mariano , he would write not in Filipino, but in Chinese.

Ceciliano Tan applied and was accepted to Zhongshan University, of Guangdong, China. He was a Finance and Business Student. And according to Lola Babing, was also an honors student there as well.

Pinangga to siya kaayo ni Lolo Mariano.

Lolo Ceciliano passed away suddenly during his collegiate studies in China due to acute renal infection. He was buried in China next to our ancestors in Lolo Mariano's home village. His death was a devastating blow to Lolo Mariano and Lola Gabina.


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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2012, 01:22:57 PM »
You can't blame the Chinese for succeeding since not only do they have those good qualities but the Chinese, are one of the ancient civilizations that provided the world the most crucial technological innovations which other ancient civilizations have ever surpassed...   

ZecurB, yes you are right.


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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2012, 01:25:14 PM »
In those days, being Chinese was looked down upon. Many native Filipinos used to hold a racist and prejudiced outlook towards the Chinese. For being so successful.

Now a days, it's reverse, (here in chinese soil) thou they deny it, you can feel it.

This is very true, the original Chinese families that settled in Bohol during the 19th and 20th centuries had to experience a lot of prejudice during their day, but through hard work and through assimilation to the local culture, they made sure their offspring and decedents would have a bright future.


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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2012, 01:44:16 PM »
The Origin of the Tan Family of Bohol, Philippines


My great-grandfather, Mr. Mariano Tan [Chinese Name: Tan Ngai He], came from Canton region of China, a region that speaks not Mandarin , but Cantonese, instead. His ancestral province is in Guangdong, and the village that he comes from is called Conghua or sometimes written Kong-Hwa.

Tan Ngai He left Conghua for Guangzhou and from Guanzhou, which is a port city in Guangdong Province , located in Southern China. From Guangzhou, he sailed to the Philippines by way of Jolo Island, which is part of the Tawi-Tawi Island Group south of Mindanao.

From Jolo, which was a large port of entry for many Chinese going to the Philippines during the early 20th century, Tan Ngai He went through customs and documented himself as a resident Chinese. During the 'Filipinization' process, he was told to adopt a Spanish name , part of the requirement the Colonial Government enforced on all Chinese to assimilate into the local culture. He chose the name "Mariano" , hence he is referred to in public records as Mr. Mariano Tan. From Jolo he then traveled with his brother and several cousins to Bohol, Philippines.



A picture of how Conghua, Guangdong looks like:




The ancestral birthplace of my great-grandfather. :)


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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2012, 01:58:22 PM »
Hi, Lorenzo.  What a small world indeed. I visited my Mom at the nursing home yesterday and asked her if she has heard of a Mariano Tan. Guess what....without a moment's hesitation...she immediately said "yes". She said Mariano Tan was my Oyong's (Tan Pico, a.k.a. Ruperto Tan) cousin.  Interestingly enough, a few days ago....she was telling me of an incident involving a certain Juliano Tan. She said Mariano was Juliano's father. She added yesterday that my Oyong himself told her that Mariano was his cousin. Mommy said Mariano had other children with nicknames of Balbing and Nating (she says Juliano was often called "Yanni"). Mommy says Nating has children in California.

Well, going over the names of your Chinese greatgrandpa's children as you wrote, I notice that the nicknames  above in fact correspond to your grandmother's and grandauntie's and granduncle's names!

Looks like we are in fact related afterall!  Now, I have a bit of tsismis to tell you about Juliano but which, obviously, I can not post here. So, better give me your email address if you want to know what this is :)))))

Further, if Tan Ngai and Tan Pico were close relations (as my Oyong had intimated)....how big do you think is the probability that they came from the same village in Guangzhou? Your family might just be able to help mine finally solve the mystery of our Oyong's circumstances when he returned to China in 1948, like where and when he died, if we are able to trace his direct relations, possibly through your family's help.

Cheers,

Ricky

Dearest Cousin Richard,

You asked me where Lolo Mariano was from, I will answer your question here. He was from Conghua, which is a very small farming community in Guangdong, it is some 40 miles northeast of Guangzhou. It is a mountainous community, that enjoys plentiful rivers and lakes. Your Oyong  [Tan Pi Ko] was the 1st cousin of my great-grandfather. There is a large Tan community in Conghua, and I want  you to know that Lolo Mariano left Conghua with a lot of relatives. Several cousins. Your Oyong was , indeed, related to my great-grandfather.

Your Oyong was forced to adopt a Spanish name , which was part of the assimilation procedure , which was forced on all Chinese coming to the Philippines during that time. He picked "Ruperto", hence he is known in public records as Ruperto Tan. During this time, the Colonial Government in the Philippines had a very racist policy towards Chinese.

Your lolo is actually my great-grand uncle. As he is the 1st cousin of my great-grand father. That means that we share the same great, great, great grandparents. (pure na pure nga inchik to sila hehehe ) ;)

To answer your second question, the way peopled in China back then was different to how it is now, people were not known to move from town to town , in fact, the diaspora of Chinese to the Philippines was due to political instability that China had been experiencing during that time (this is a topic worthy of another thread he he he ;) )

Anyways, people of the same clan used to live in the same village. So, your Oyong was indeed from the same village as my great-grandfather, and i would say that i am 95% confident of this assumption. The reason why my great-grandfather left with several cousins was because to ensure: 1) safety (in numbers) 2) ensure success , 3) to make sure that no one gets lost.

Your Oyong left for China in 1948 because he had constant communication with his relatives in China at the time and even before the 1940's. My great-grandfather, tho he was based in Valencia for several years, wrote prolifically to his mother, his father, and to his relatives in Conghua. He actually left for Conghua in the 1930s and lived there with his wife (my great-grandmother, who was a Filipina-Mestiza , and a native of Valencia) they brought with them their 4 children. So it was actually very common for the original Chinese to travel back and forth from Bohol to China and back again. Lolo Mariano left in the mid 1930s, thank goodness, because the Japanese invaded china and would initiate a brutal war there. Your Oyong left in 1948 and that was during the Great Revolution , when the Nationalist forces of Jiang Jieshi (Chiang Kai Shek) were ousted by the Communist Forces led by Mao Zedong. The reason why you did not have communication with your Oyong afterwards was because Maoist China did not have open communication with the Philippines or opened borders until the 1970's. By then, your Oyong most probably had already passed away. As my Lolo Mariano had passed away in the mid 1960's.

Lolo Mariano was unable to visit China again because the Communist government in China did not allow open travel for Chinese or Filipinos to China during that time. "Closed Door Policy" during that time.

I would like to know also what happened to your Oyong, si Lolo Tan Pi Ko. I am sure, that he probably retired in Conghua. He would have had still a lot of relatives  there. He is probably buried in Conghua in our family's funeral plot.



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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2012, 09:57:14 AM »


Ricky, here is a picture of my mom and my uncle. My mom's name is Liza and my uncle's name is Romeo. They are pictured with my cousin Joseph, Forlyn and my little brother Andre. The picture was taken in 2003. These are the grandchildren of Tan Ngai He [Mr. Mariano Tan], the grand nephew and grand niece of your Oyong. Please show the pictures to your mother as they are the children of Fortunata Tan [Nating Tan].

I wish I could go back to visit the grave of your Lola and grand aunts. I will someday the next time I visit Bohol...


Regards,
Lorenzo

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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2012, 10:00:44 AM »
This is a picture of my Lolo , my Uncle and my Grand-Uncle. My Uncle Alex is the 2nd son of Fortunata Tan, and is the grandson of Tan Ngai He, and is also the grand-nephew of your Oyong, si Lolo Ruperto Tan. :)


Uncle Alex is the one in the middle.

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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2012, 10:12:13 AM »
Ricky, I will post more information on the history of our Tan Clan, I will get back to this thread in another time. Please know that I am very happy to know that through you, my side of the Tan Clan found out of the existence of other descendents. Prior to talking to you an reading your post, any information regarding distant relatives that settled in Bohol were lost when both my grandmother, Fortunata Tan, and my grand-aunt, Balbina Tan, passed away. I guess it is true, "Blood finds Blood".



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Lorenzo 

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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2012, 10:47:04 AM »
The History of the Tan Surname



Tan (simplified Chinese:; traditional Chinese:) is a Chinese surname.

The surname came from the ancient State of Tan which was located in the western part of what is now Shandong Province. During the Spring and Autumn Period, this state was conquered by the neighbouring State of Qi. The court changed their surname to Tan in remembrance of their defeated homeland, and later prospered in Hunan Province.

The surname came from the less common surname 談, another with the same pronunciation in Mandarin and Cantonese. In order to avoid the revenge of their enemies, the clan leaders changed it to.

Interestingly enough, the state of Tan existed from 1046–684 BC. The surname Tan has been in use for some 2, 696 Years. What an ancient blood line ;)



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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2013, 02:05:46 PM »
an urgent request, lorenz.  if there's anyone of your surviving relations of prior generations who can say that your great grandpa mr mariano tan came with 3 or 4 brothers, and if they know the names, please pass them on to me.
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2013, 02:06:36 PM »
i've been studying your posts on your tan lineage from china in valencia.  that our branch of the family had descended from the tans who came from china, there's no doubt.  my information though is not as clear as yours.  so far, what i know is that we are descendants of a tan, one of 4 or 5 brothers who came to valencia from china, had a family in valencia, and had gone back to china later.  it's very much like your own story though i'm not as lucky as you who got to know the name of your specific ancestor.
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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2013, 02:07:58 PM »
i'm about to embark on writing down our own clan's genealogy and history, courtesy of an assignment placed squarely on my shoulders, my toes, my knees, and what else by my cousins.  starting with the brothers tan from china is the best takeoff, i believe.  going back further from them at this point in time is already beyond me.
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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2013, 02:09:09 PM »
yes, lorenz, i am an inchikadora (your quaint description of me whom you hadn't seen; funny how you could have quessed it).  but more than appearances, aherm, whether my tan ancestor was your great grandpa's brother or cousin, what, indeed, does that make of us?  distant relatives!  one day soon, you'll have to take my hand and touch it to your forehead, in blessing. ;D   
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2013, 02:45:42 PM »
an urgent request, lorenz.  if there's anyone of your surviving relations of prior generations who can say that your great grandpa mr mariano tan came with 3 or 4 brothers, and if they know the names, please pass them on to me.

Hi Isles,

Of the Chinese descendents in Valencia, the ones who came to the Philippines 'recently' from China were the Tan and the Lim. The Lim Family, which originally hails from present day Fujian, China. The Tan Family originally hail from present day Guangdong, China. During the late 19th century and 20th century, there was a mass exodus of Chinese from southern China (Guangdong and Fujian provinces are both southern provinces of then-Imperial China) due to the instability of the Imperial Qing Dynasty due in part to the European spheres of influences that had severely weakened China.

The story of my great-grandfather started in 1903 when he and 4 or 5 of his brothers and male cousins had left Conghua, Guangdong for the Philippines. My great-grandfather arrived in Jolo in 1903, then a major port of entry for other Chinese expatriates. Lolo Mariano was the eldest of the group, and he had 4 or 5 younger brothers and cousins who traveled with him.

From what I remember in talking with my late grand-aunt, Mrs. Balbina Tan-Salingay, the younger sister of my grandmother, the late Mrs. Fortunata Tan-Salvo, was that her father (my great grand father) settled Valencia with one of his younger brothers by the name of Tan Tai Lee. I remember my Lola Babing saying that her uncle took up the name of Julio Tan, whereas her father took the name of Mariano Tan.

I had asked Lola Babing what ever happened to the 4 or 5 other relatives of Lolo Mariano. She said aside from Lolo Mariano, he had 1 cousin who settled somewhere else in Bohol, 1 other brother who stayed in Valencia, and 1 other brother who eventually went and settled in Cebu and worked in the Chinese Consulate there.

Isles, perhaps, your ancestor is my Great Grand Uncle, Tan Tai Lee (Julio Tan). He settled in Valencia as well. ;)

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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2013, 02:54:25 PM »
i've been studying your posts on your tan lineage from china in valencia.  that our branch of the family had descended from the tans who came from china, there's no doubt.  my information though is not as clear as yours.  so far, what i know is that we are descendants of a tan, one of 4 or 5 brothers who came to valencia from china, had a family in valencia, and had gone back to china later.  it's very much like your own story though i'm not as lucky as you who got to know the name of your specific ancestor.

From what my grand aunt told me, the father of my great-grandfather was a very well known village doctor, schooled in Chinese Eastern Medicine. It was my great great grand father (sadly, i do not know his first name!) had sent his male sons to the Philippines and encouraged them to leave China for greener pastures.

My grand uncle Ceciliano Tan studied in China and he was able to meet his grand father and grand mother who lived in Conghua village. What is interesting, from what my grand aunt said to me and my sister is that there was a very large family grave site where all members of our family were interred. Their ashes interred there. In the village temple, was etched the names of our ancestors, which went back hundreds of hundreds of years, if not even thousands.

My goal, Isles, in the future, pohon pohon, is to visit that village temple in Conghua and to find the names of my great great grandfather and great great grandmother there as they were buried there. My grand uncle Ceciliano is buried there as well as he died while he was studying in China. His death destroyed my great-grandfather's heart, as what Lola Babing said to me. He was, as his eldest son, the apple of Lolo Mariano's eyes.


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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2013, 02:57:45 PM »
i'm about to embark on writing down our own clan's genealogy and history, courtesy of an assignment placed squarely on my shoulders, my toes, my knees, and what else by my cousins.  starting with the brothers tan from china is the best takeoff, i believe.  going back further from them at this point in time is already beyond me.

Noble !

yes, lorenz, i am an inchikadora (your quaint description of me whom you hadn't seen; funny how you could have quessed it).  but more than appearances, aherm, whether my tan ancestor was your great grandpa's brother or cousin, what, indeed, does that make of us?  distant relatives!  one day soon, you'll have to take my hand and touch it to your forehead, in blessing. ;D   

Hehehe. Distant relatives diay, not just on the Salise side, but also on the Tan side. :)

Tita man diay ka nako.... ;D

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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2013, 03:04:41 PM »
Isles,

This is our Gon Gon ( pronounced as "gawn gawn" Cantonese endearing term for grandfather). Perhaps, you might find some similar features if you look into my great-grandfather's face. If your grandfather was his younger brother then they probably looked a like pod, probably with the same hair style at the time. Technically Lolo Mariano would most likely be your great grand uncle, however, in Chinese culture, you would still call him as grandfather...


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Re: 1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2013, 03:14:59 PM »
1880: The Chinese in Tagbilaran Were Already Part of the Body Politic


In my opinion, the reason why some Chinese became rich was that they were already well educated in China before they came to Bohol. They may not speak Spanish or Bisaya but their brains were already well developed. They were actually mentally superior to the Boholanos during that time.



Reference: Varias Provincias: Bohol. 1861-1896. B-112 SDS-3839. National Archives. Pp. s-309-s-310b.

Hello Mr. Tirol,

Thank You for you very educative and historical post. Let me give you an answer to your question, sir. First in part, the Chinese during that time lived in an Imperial System, as China was then ruled by the Qing Dynasty. In each province, each village, there were schools that taught children how to read and write in calligraphy, the ancient chinese writing script.

Secondly, in order for the Chinese to leave China for foreign lands required capital to buy a ticket to a steam ship to the Philippines, required money for boarding fees, money for entry into the port. Additionally, many of them did not come alone, but usually came with other family members to provide safety and provide financial support when setting up their base of operations in the Philippines.

For example, my great-grandfather was a son of a local doctor. My great-great grandfather sent his sons to the Philippines in the hopes of their collaborative success. And, they did !

Another point is this, most of the Chinese immigrants had to learn new languages: Bisaya, Tagalog, Spanish. Their ability to adapt into a foreign country and learn the language was used as a motivating factor for their children and grand children to achieve higher.

 

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