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Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« on: October 16, 2016, 12:44:01 PM »

Knockin’ on history’s door

Bob Dylan wins a Nobel prize

Oct 13th 2016

BY J.T.
Timekeeper



BOB DYLAN might not seem to have much in common with the likes of Ernest Hemingway and William Butler Yeats. But as of October 13th, they are bound together by the Nobel prize in literature. The Swedish Academy has awarded the medal annually since 1901 “to the person who shall have produced in the field of literature the most outstanding work in an ideal direction”, as requested by the will of Alfred Nobel. Mr Dylan won this year’s accolade “for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition”. Few people would challenge that description of his impact on popular music. Many have questioned the decision to recognise it with the same honour that was once bestowed upon George Bernard Shaw, Jean-Paul Sartre and Rudyard Kipling.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2016, 12:44:57 PM »

Giving a prize that is usually reserved for writers of literature to a world-renowned musician might seem as daft and gimmicky as awarding Barack Obama the Nobel Peace prize less than a year into his presidency. But not all past recipients of the literary award have been famed for writing novels, plays or poems. Winston Churchill collected it in 1953 “for his mastery of historical and biographical description as well as for brilliant oratory in defending exalted human values”. Philosophers Bertrand Russell and Henri Bergson are both on the list of laureates. Indeed, Mr Dylan isn’t even the first songwriter to win. Rabindranath Tagore, whose creative output included thousands of Bengali songs, was chosen in 1913 for his “sensitive, fresh and beautiful verse”.

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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2016, 12:46:02 PM »

Sara Danius, a professor of literature at Stockholm University and the permanent secretary of the Swedish Academy, justified this year’s choice by comparing him to Homer and Sappho: ancient Greek poets whose verses were “meant to be performed, often together with instruments”. Though the link might seem tenuous, literary history is well stocked with works that were penned with listeners in mind. Geoffrey Chaucer, William Shakespeare and Robert Burns all wrote for live audiences and produced plenty of song lyrics, too. The idea that contemporary singers belong in that lineage is gaining support in bookish circles. Sir Christopher Ricks, a former professor of poetry at Oxford University and one of the most famous living literary critics, wrote a book about Mr Dylan’s verse with a particular focus on his allusions to T. S. Eliot and John Keats. Sir Salman Rushdie described Mr Dylan today as the “brilliant inheritor of the bardic tradition”. Yet it is hard to imagine either man rating the singer above Mark Twain, Vladimir Nabokov, James Joyce or Anton Chekhov. None of those names appear on the roll of honour.

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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2016, 12:50:22 PM »

Regardless of what you think about Mr Dylan’s fitness to join the ranks of John Steinbeck and William Faulkner as American Nobel laureates, you cannot deny his influence on modern song-writing. Popular tunes tend to have bland, clichéd lyrics. As Mr Dylan was recording his first singles, radios across the land blared “round, round, get around, I get around” and “she loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah”. His protest songs brought him to fame—he performed during the March on Washington in 1963, where Martin Luther King delivered his “I Have a Dream” speech—but he was not the first popular musician to dabble with more weighty topics. Woody Guthrie sang in defence of labour unions in the 1940s, around the same time that Billie Holiday was lamenting lynchings in “Strange Fruit”. What made Mr Dylan exceptional was the way that he phrased his thoughts.

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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2016, 12:51:31 PM »

Words in his songs rarely go together conventionally. At times the result is gibberish. “Subterranean Homesick Blues” might sound anarchic, but it is hard to make sense of “jump down a manhole / Light yourself a candle / Don’t wear sandals”. “Tarantula”, his book of stream-of-consciousness poetry, contains such oddities as “the chief of police holding a bazooka with his name engraved on it coming in drunk and putting the barrel into the face of a lawyer’s pig”. Occasionally, when recording a time-honoured ballad or a tale of injustice, his lyrics are straightforward and bare. But at his best, every word has been chosen deliberately to produce a complex, unusual effect. “Blowin’ in the Wind” might have the simple language of a parable; it is hard to imagine somebody before Mr Dylan, however, describing a white dove sailing many seas before she sleeps in the sand. Most of his compositions are made up of such images, viewed one after another.

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2016, 12:52:28 PM »

His contribution to music has been the understanding that lyrics don’t have to follow the rules of everyday speech. He has inspired generations of song-writers to combine words in unusual and interesting ways. When Paul Simon wrote that he had “squandered [his] resistance for a pocket full of mumbles”, or when Bruce Springsteen recalled “soul engines running through a night so tender in a bedroom locked in whispers”, they were mimicking Mr Dylan’s eccentricities. He once described the experience, with characteristic obscurity, as like disappearing through the smoke rings of his own mind. It is a journey that many others have repeated.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2016, 01:10:57 PM »

Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize win stirs fierce social media reaction

By Bianca Britton, CNN
October 13, 2016



(CNN)Bob Dylan has become the first songwriter to win a Nobel Prize in Literature, drawing praise from many on social media while others expressed shock and even amusement.

The award for Dylan appeared to divide Twitter users as some argued the unconventional winner wasn't deserving, particularly because he isn't in the established canon of literary writers.

"I like Bob Dylan as much as anyone, but this still seems a little strange," Eric Gordy wrote on Twitter.

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2016, 01:35:11 PM »

Another said that while he appreciates Dylan's selection, he is concerned about the future of the award.

"My worry is not Bob Dylan winning, but flood gates opening for lyricists in future," Kabir Taneja said, attaching the lyrics of Rihanna's song "Work."



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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2016, 01:47:09 PM »

Others were amused, writing: "My dad has been a Bob Dylan fan for over 50 years, and even he thinks this is hilarious." (13 Oct, Michael Deacon)

Some even predicted what trivia contests of the future would look like: "In 20 years time 'what did Bob Dylan and Winston Churchill have in common?' will be great quiz question." (13 Oct 2016, Duncan Weldon)

And while the famous singer-songwriter was rewarded for "having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition," one user questioned whether younger generations even know who the 75-year-old is.

"Millennial populations furiously Googling who Bob Dylan is," Kabir Taneja posted on Twitter.

And others, such as Pamela Paul, expressed disappointment that so many "deserving novelists" missed out.

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2016, 02:05:20 PM »

But not everyone was making fun of Dylan's achievement, some defended the winner.

"Folks: Songwriting is writing, and Bob Dylan is one of the most influential writers in the last 100 years. It's a defensible Nobel pick," John Scalzi tweeted.

Max du Preez called out the "intellectual snobs" who criticized the songwriter and said he was backing Dylan.

While Robyn Hitchcock reminisced and said Dylan "launched me and many others on oceans of which we'd never dreamed..."

Many rejoiced in the "great news," adding that Dylan's words are still relevant today.

His words still resonate today. FINALLY some great news! #Bob Dylan wins Nobel Prize for Literature (13 Oct 2016, Nikki Busch)

A self-professed expert also praised the singer's win: "As a Pop Culture professor I have to do a fist pump and say YES! Dylan won a Nobel Prize in Lit!"[/color] (13 Oct 2016, Mike Posey)

And others simply tweeted in excitement: "Bob Dylan wins the Nobel Prize. Yes. Yes. Yes." (13 Oct 2016, Jeff Daniels)

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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2016, 02:09:08 PM »

Photos: Bob Dylan: Voice of a generation


Bob Dylan smokes a cigarette circa 1966. Dylan's music spoke to a generation of people during the 1960s, a tumultuous decade that forever changed America. He went on to become a rock 'n' roll legend and influence many musicians to come. In October 2016, the Nobel Prize in Literature was awarded to Dylan for "having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition."

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Dylan performs in 1961 at The Bitter End club in New York City. His first album, "Bob Dylan," debuted in 1962 and consisted mostly of old folk songs.

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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2016, 02:17:51 PM »


Joan Baez and Dylan perform during the March on Washington, a pivotal moment in the civil rights movement, on August 28, 1963.

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2016, 02:26:03 PM »


Dylan performs on stage in the 1960s. Dylan was known in his early career for playing the guitar and the harmonica, and for his distinctive vocal phrasing.

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2016, 02:28:50 PM »


Dylan listens to recordings of his album "Highway 61 Revisited" in 1965. It contained "Like a Rolling Stone," which went to No. 2 on U.S. charts.

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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2016, 02:33:54 PM »


George Harrison and Dylan perform in the Concert for Bangladesh, held August 1, 1971 at Madison Square Garden in New York. The concert earned them the Grammy Award for Album of the Year along with Billy Preston, Eric Clapton, Klaus Voormann, Leon Russell, Ravi Shankar and Ringo Starr.

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Dylan appears on set for the film "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid" in 1973. Dylan also recorded the soundtrack for the film.

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2016, 02:43:59 PM »


Dylan performs on stage at Madison Square Garden in 1974.

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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2016, 02:46:10 PM »


Dylan performs with Robbie Robertson of The Band, right, and Van Morrison at The Band's farewell concert in 1976.

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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2016, 03:54:16 PM »


Dylan performs with Tom Petty at Farm Aid in Chicago in 1985.

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2016, 03:58:12 PM »


Dylan poses for a photo with David Bowie in 1985.

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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2016, 04:00:12 PM »


Dylan and Bruce Springsteen perform together in 1990.

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Performance artist Michael Portnoy is taken off stage during Dylan's performance at the Grammy Awards in 1998. Portnoy had been hired as part of the background dancers for the performance, but his shirtless interruption was not planned and he was carted off stage.

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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2016, 04:16:17 PM »


Dylan performs in Brighton, England, in 2002.

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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2016, 04:17:59 PM »


Dylan appears with actress Jessica Lange during a news conference for the movie "Masked and Anonymous" in 2003. Dylan co-wrote the movie and starred in it.

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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2016, 04:33:20 PM »


Dylan poses for photos at the University of St. Andrews after he received an honorary degree at the Scottish school in 2004.

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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2016, 04:38:04 PM »


Dylan performs during the Grammy Awards in 2011. Dylan has won 10 Grammys in his career, as well as one Golden Globe Award and one Academy Award.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2016, 04:40:05 PM »


President Barack Obama presents the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Dylan in the East Room of the White House in 2012. The award is the country's highest civilian honor. "I remember, you know, in college, listening to Bob Dylan and my world opening up, 'cause he captured something about this country that was so vital," Obama said.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2016, 04:46:11 PM »

Bob Dylan: “I’m a poet, and I know it”

February 21, 2014

In 2004, a Newsweek magazine article called Bob Dylan “the most influential cultural figure now alive," and with good reason. He has released more than forty albums in the last four decades, and created some of the most memorable anthems of the twentieth century, classics such as “The Times They Are A-Changin," “Like a Rolling Stone," and “Blowin’ in the Wind.”

While Dylan’s place in the pantheon of American musicians is cemented, there is one question that has confounded music and literary critics for the entirety of Dylan’s career: Should Bob Dylan be considered a songwriter or a poet? Dylan was asked that very question at a press conference in 1965, when he famously said, “I think of myself more as a song-and-dance man.”

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2016, 04:53:03 PM »

The debate has raged on ever since, and even intensified in 2004, when Internet rumors swirled about Dylan’s nomination for a Nobel Prize in Literature, and five well-hyped books were released almost simultaneously: Dylan’s Visions of Sin, by Oxford professor of poetry Christopher Ricks, who makes the case for Dylan as a poet; Lyrics: 1962-2001, a collection of Dylan’s songs presented in printed form; Chronicles, the first volume of Dylan’s memoir; Keys to the Rain, a 724-page Bob Dylan encyclopedia; and Studio A, an anthology about Dylan by such esteemed writers as Allen Ginsberg, Joyce Carol Oates, Rick Moody, and Barry Hannah.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2016, 04:53:40 PM »

Christopher Ricks, who has also penned books about T. S. Eliot and John Keats, argues that Dylan’s lyrics not only qualify as poetry, but that Dylan is among the finest poets of all time, on the same level as Milton, Keats, and Tennyson. He points to Dylan’s mastery of rhymes that are often startling and perfectly judged. For example, this pairing from “Idiot Wind," released in 1975:

Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull,
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol

The metaphorical relation between the head and the head of state, both of them two big domes, and the “idiot wind” blowing out of Washington, D.C., from the mouths of politicians, made this particular lyric the “great disillusioned national rhyme," according to Allen Ginsberg.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2016, 04:54:10 PM »

“The case for denying Dylan the title of poet could not summarily, if at all, be made good by any open-minded close attention to the words and his ways with them," Ricks wrote in Dylan’s Visions of Sin. “The case would need to begin with his medium.”

The problem many critics have with calling song lyrics poetry is that songs are only fully realized in performance. It takes the lyrics, music, and voice working in tandem to unpack the power of a song, whereas a poem ideally stands up by itself, on the page, controlling its own timing and internal music. Dylan’s lyrics, and most especially his creative rhyme-making, may only work, as critic Ian Hamilton has written, with “Bob’s barbed-wire tonsils in support.”

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2016, 04:56:46 PM »

It is indisputable, though, that Dylan has been influenced a great deal by poetry. He counts Arthur Rimbaud and Paul Verlaine alongside Woody Guthrie as his most important forebears. He took his stage name, Bob Dylan, from Welsh poet Dylan Thomas (his real name is Robert Allen Zimmerman). He described himself once as a “sixties troubadour," and when he talks about songwriting, he can sometimes sound like a professor of literature: “I can create several orbits that travel and intersect each other and are set up in a metaphysical way.”

His work has also veered purposefully into poetry. In 1966, he wrote a book of poems and prose called Tarantula. Many of the liner notes from his 1960s albums were written as epitaphs. And his songwriting is peppered with literary references. Consider, for example, these lyrics from “Desolation Row," released on 1965’s Highway 61 Revisited:

Praise be to Nero’s Neptune
The Titanic sails at dawn
And everybody’s shouting
“Which Side Are You On?”
And Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot
Fighting in the captain’s tower
While calypso singers laugh at them
And fishermen hold flowers

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2016, 04:58:22 PM »

Professor Ricks is not the only scholar who considers Dylan a great American poet. Dylan has been nominated for a Nobel Prize in Literature every year since 1996, and the lyrics to his song “Mr. Tambourine Man” appeared in the Norton Introduction to Literature.

So do his song lyrics qualify as poetry? Even Dylan gets the two genres confused sometimes. He once called Smokey Robinson his favorite poet, then later backpedaled and said it was Rimbaud. He has alternatingly avoided this question and mocked it, as in his song “I Shall Be Free No. 10”:

Yippee! I’m a poet, and I know it
Hope I don’t blow it

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #34 on: October 16, 2016, 05:02:42 PM »

However, the best, most straightforward answer may have appeared in the liner notes of his second album, 1963’s The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan, where Dylan said, simply: “Anything I can sing, I call a song. Anything I can’t sing, I call a poem.”

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #35 on: October 16, 2016, 05:04:32 PM »

The problem many critics have with calling song lyrics poetry is that songs are only fully realized in performance. It takes the lyrics, music, and voice working in tandem to unpack the power of a song, whereas a poem ideally stands up by itself, on the page, controlling its own timing and internal music. Dylan’s lyrics, and most especially his creative rhyme-making, may only work, as critic Ian Hamilton has written, with “Bob’s barbed-wire tonsils in support.”

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #36 on: October 16, 2016, 05:09:35 PM »

two of my personal bob dylan favorites:

1:

Mr. Tambourine Man

Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Though I know that evenin's empire has returned into sand
Vanished from my hand
Left me blindly here to stand but still not sleeping
My weariness amazes me, I'm branded on my feet
I have no one to meet
And the ancient empty street's too dead for dreaming.

Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Take me on a trip upon your magic swirlin' ship
My senses have been stripped, my hands can't feel to grip
My toes too numb to step, wait only for my boot heels
To be wanderin'
I'm ready to go anywhere, I'm ready for to fade
Into my own parade, cast your dancing spell my way
I promise to go under it.

Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey ! Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Though you might hear laughin', spinnin' swingin' madly across the sun
It's not aimed at anyone, it's just escapin' on the run
And but for the sky there are no fences facin'
And if you hear vague traces of skippin' reels of rhyme
To your tambourine in time, it's just a ragged clown behind
I wouldn't pay it any mind, it's just a shadow you're
Seein' that he's chasing.

Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

Then take me disappearin' through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time, far past the frozen leaves
The haunted, frightened trees, out to the windy beach
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky with one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea, circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow.

Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
I'm not sleepy and there is no place I'm going to
Hey, Mr Tambourine Man, play a song for me
In the jingle jangle morning I'll come followin' you.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #37 on: October 16, 2016, 05:13:03 PM »

2.

Blowin' In The Wind

How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
How many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

Yes, how many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

Yes, how many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2016, 06:00:37 PM »

6 Things We Learned From the New Bob Dylan Tell-All

Longtime road manager Victor Maymudes spills about the night he introduced the Beatles to pot, his relationship with Joan Baez and much more



Not many people get close to Bob Dylan, but Victor Maymudes – who was Dylan's road manager in the mid-Sixties and again from 1986 to 1996 – certainly did. Maymudes died in 2001, but he left behind hours of interview tapes, which his son Jacob has turned into a revealing new memoir, Another Side of Bob Dylan. The book, which hits shelves this week, traces their entire time together, from the coffee house days in Greenwich Village to their legendary cross country road trip in 1964 to the madness of the Never Ending Tour in the 1980s and 1990s. Here are six things we learned from the book.

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Re: Bob Dylan, Nobel Laureate for Literature
« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2016, 06:01:20 PM »

The night Dylan met the Beatles was kind of awkward.

Maymudes provides one of the most complete accounts of the famous summit, at the Beatles' New York hotel on August 28th, 1964. "Bob tried to roll a joint and it fell to piece in his hands," Maymudes says, "scattering pot over a bowl of fruit sitting on the table." Victor took over and rolled the joints himself. That helped liven up the party, but Dylan, who'd been drinking, passed out on the floor within an hour. "The following morning, Paul came up to me and hugged me for 10 minutes," says Maymudes, 'and said, 'It was so great, and it's all your fault because I love this pot!'"

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