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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2009, 02:07:44 AM »
Leo naa mi eyebal sa March. ug gusto jud ka ug kukabildo  nga way pugong2x apil karong March! hahahah tan awon nato ug inig uli nimo sa injo ug di ba ka mag binisaja! hahahha

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2009, 02:20:09 AM »
haha! leo? EB is like meeting, talking, going out, with your virtual friend in person :)
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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2009, 08:28:37 AM »
Leo naa mi eyebal sa March. ug gusto jud ka ug kukabildo  nga way pugong2x apil karong March! hahahah tan awon nato ug inig uli nimo sa injo ug di ba ka mag binisaja! hahahha

ha, if i understand you correct, it is pretty ridiculous if i go to the Philippines and can't speak visaya!  I will most likely have a lot of "binuang" moments on TB!

sayang wa ko basa visaya, pero like my lola always said i will keep trying "little by little"

did that make sense to anyone? We're way off topic, sorry ko.  How about the importance of teaching 2nd generation Filipinos abroad their mother dialects! Thus, we lose our connections and get laughed at by our own people.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2009, 08:33:31 AM »
Leo,

Welcome to Tubag Bohol!

This is where we Filipino-American youth can learn more about our ancestral land. And our mother dialect. The beauty of this site is that we can share and at the same time learn.

See you in the forums, bud.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2009, 03:49:48 AM »
My mother tongue is Tagalog having been educated and brought up in Paranaque. Tagalog is well spoken but at home it is Bol-anon. Mang gawas ning kasaba ug sermon binol-anon jamo. So when my parents decided to return to Bohol I was barely 17, makasabot nako pag ajo, jungit lang. If the language is taught bilingually its not hard for the kids.
My comments about english proficiency; rich German families enroll their kids in an International school where english is spoken through and through and German takes only 2 hour per day, that is during german languages course only. So you could imagine that they know english proficiency brings an edge.
English is truly lingua franca, in space english is the language.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2009, 04:03:20 PM »
thousands of koreans are flocking Philippine schools to learn English.  Na pay uban nga via internet lang magkat-on pero pinoy ang coach/teacher.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2009, 04:55:26 AM »
The Philippines out competes any other Asian country, imho.

The Philippine Society is-western friendly; in fact there are even historians who would argue that the Philippines is WESTERN on basis of culture.

We are one of the few nations in Asia where English is a major language. Proficiency of said language is rather high and most Filipinos speak English, as compared to other ASEAN member states or other nations in Asia-Pacific.

A century ago, even, the Filipino was proficient and fluent in Spanish. Another Western language, albeit, a Latin Romance language instead of the Germanic English.

This is why the Filipino adapts so perfectly in Western Societies. Either it be in The United States, or in Europe or even in Latin America.

History has prejudiced him to that aspect.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2009, 05:00:32 AM »
It cannot be hidden from the world of the mastery and proficiency of the FILIPINO.

When I go to any hospital or any intensive care clinic, I can hold my head up high because I will immediately see that the D.O.N (Director of Nursing) is going to be Filipino/Filipina. The Physician-Surgeon staff is going to be composed of a significant amount of Filipinos speaking in perfect english. Why even if the Filipino medical professional retains his or her Filipino accent, his or her proficiency in that language is brilliant.

But that proficiency is secondary to the absolute mastery and dedication the Filipino Nurse and/or Filipino Doctor in the floor.

When the patient comes to the hospital for an ailment. They will see the Filipino, enrobed in the scrubs, white coat and surrender their care to that professional.

You see this in here in the USA, in Canada and I assure you also in the EU.


When you go to the hospital, or when you even think of the medical professional. Only one asian group dominates that field and it is either the Filipino or the Indian national.

God BLESS the Filipino!

I salute all of you my kababayans!

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2009, 08:29:06 AM »
Naa pa ba diay kamao mag English speaking ug usapang Tagalog sa Pilipinas? I thought we have another new language..isn't "Taglish" is daily spoken?  :-\  Asenso na gjod ang mga Pinoy kay perti gjod kamaayo mo-imbento.  Bisan mga politiko sak-sak sinagol ang ilang linguahe. Operation "Jama-2x" sa Binol-anon pa. ;)

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2009, 04:20:31 PM »
 
Decline of education blamed on “deterioration of English proficiency”
by Grace on November 28th, 2006
Such a “rapid decline in the English competency of Filipinos would eventually erode the competitiveness of the country’s human resources, both here and abroad”… A quote attributed to Senator Edgardo J. Angara.

This was in reference to a bill that passed last month restoring English as the primary language of instruction from high school onwards. The bill was created as Congress’ response to the declining proficiency on the use of the English language in communications. (The Education Department adopted a bilingual program in 1987 to promote the use of Tagalog, the other official language.)

According to a recent government study, only 7 percent of high school graduates can properly read, speak or understand English, and poorly trained teachers are partly to blame, it said.

According to a (separate) study conducted by the European Chamber of Commerce of the Philippines, 75 percent of the more than 400,000 Filipino students that graduate from college each year have “substandard English skills.”


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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2009, 08:41:24 PM »
According to a recent government study, only 7 percent of high school graduates can properly read, speak or understand English, and poorly trained teachers are partly to blame, it said.

According to a (separate) study conducted by the European Chamber of Commerce of the Philippines, 75 percent of the more than 400,000 Filipino students that graduate from college each year have “substandard English skills.”

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Tinoud ka Sir frdaray.  Dihay TV report diri mahitungod sa mga Pinoys/Pinays bahin niini (basta gikan tos sa Singapore or Malaysia ba). Nangreklamo ang mga amo. Unsaon lagi pod nga daghan baya pong magtutudlo nga pinuwakan rapod ang ilang English. Sorry!
Daghan lagi  nga pwerting pagka "slang" sa English kay America lagi gikan unja dili gjod kahibalo mosulat ug klaro.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2009, 02:39:48 AM »
Monday, March 2. 2009
English vs mother tongue as a medium of instruction
(Following is the transcript of the segment "Analysis by Winnie Monsod" which aired on News on Q on Jan. 26, 2009. Prof. Winnie Monsod is the resident analyst of News on Q which airs weeknights at 9:30 p.m. on Q Channel 11.)

Before we discuss the so-called Gullas bill or the proposed act strengthening and enhancing the use of English as a medium of instruction, let's get a backgrounder on the state of education in the Philippines.

For every 100 children that start grade one in our country, only 65 will reach Grade 6, the others having dropped out along the way (with 18 of the dropouts occurring between Grade 1 and Grade 2). What this means is that even before these children are 12 years old, more than one third of them are essentially condemned to poverty.

That is not all. The net enrollment ratios have been steadily decreasing between 2003 and 2007, and for the Philippines, that has gone down from 90.3% to 83.2%.

The quality of that education is abysmal. Only 26% or a little over ¼ of 6th graders have a mastery of English, where mastery is defined as obtaining a score of 75% or higher in English, 31% of those students have a mastery of Math and 15% have a mastery of Science.

And if that is abysmal, that means the quality of high school education has to be the pits because only 7% of them have mastery in English. 16% have mastery in Math... 2% have mastery in Science.

Even college does not help: only 2 to 7% of college graduates who apply for positions in BPOs show English mastery, and even then, they have to undergo another three months of training to increase their competence.

This is where the Gullas bill comes in. The rationale of that bill is that if we want to have greater competence in English, and be in a position to take advantage, or compete in a globalized world, English must be used as the medium of instruction from Grade 3 onwards.

Now everyone will agree that we need greater competence in English to be competitive in a globalized world. But educators or those who have done education research will disagree that using English as the medium of instruction will accomplish that goal.
As a matter of fact, they point out that research findings are unequivocal, that to achieve greater mastery in English or Filipino, the most effective medium of instruction is in the child's mother tongue that is her first language or the language spoken at home.

Studies in country after country bear this out. Teaching in an official school language that is not the mother tongue is a major barrier in the child's learning.

In the Philippines, the experiment was conducted in Kalinga, where teachers use Kalinga to teach children from Grades 1 to 3 to read and write. It is also the medium of instruction for teaching other subjects, including Filipino and English.

Out of the 10 districts in the Kalinga division, the Lubuagan district topped the 2006 national achievement test Grade 3 reading test for both English and Filipino, with mean scores of 76.55% and 76.45 respectively, which indicates mastery. The Tinglayan district came in a far second, registered only 63.89% and 53.58%.

The Gullas bill has very good intentions. But, as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2009, 01:06:05 PM »
I maybe somewhat out of topic but I was scanning the messages in this thread... wa jud ko kakita ni Datu Dagohoy mi hirit... maayo untag mihirit pud siya ani... ;D

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2009, 01:12:31 PM »
Something I got from TAGGED which I find somewhat amusing so I'll also share it...
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We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes,
But the plural of ox becomes oxen, not oxes.
One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice,
Yet the plural of house is houses, not hice.

If the plural of man is always called men,
Then shouldn't the plural of pan be called pen?
If I speak of my foot and show you my feet,
And I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet?
If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth?

Then one may be that, and three would be those,
Yet hat in the plural would never be hose,
And the plural of cat is cats, not cose.
We speak of a brother and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
Then the masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
But imagine the feminine: she, shis and shim!

Let's face it - English is a crazy language.
There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger;
neither apple nor pine in pineapple.
English muffins weren't invented in England.
We take English for granted, but if we explore its paradoxes,
we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square,
and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing,
grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham?
Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend.
If you have a bunch of o! dds and ends
and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?

If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught?
If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?
Sometimes I think all the folks who grew up speaking English
should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane.

In what other language do people recite at a play and play at a recital?
We ship by truck but send cargo by ship.
We have noses that run and feet that smell.
We park in a driveway and drive in a parkway.
And how can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same,
while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites?

You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language
in which your house can burn up as it burns
down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out,
and in which an alarm goes off by going on.

And in closing, if Father is Pop, how come Mother's not Mop?

AND IF PEOPLE FROM POLAND ARE CALLED POLES THEN PEOPLE FROM HOLLAND SHOULD BE
HOLES AND THE GERMANS, GERMS 

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2009, 01:20:33 PM »
english in the philippines? ay di "engpino", english man leaving in the philippines. hehehe!

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2009, 01:30:49 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2009, 02:42:38 PM »
Pilipinos are very good in  "carabao english", especially TB members.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2009, 04:32:30 PM »
huh? im kinda not strict with grammar here in tb as i know that messages are haphazardly posted.

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« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2009, 04:47:56 PM »
were free to use informal no grammar carabao and binol-anon english here. i don care mah frend

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« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2009, 11:49:43 PM »
grammar o no grammar, being understood is what's important.

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« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2009, 09:45:11 AM »
English seems to be a hot topic here.

In some forums, a topic is classified hot when there are more than 20 replies in the thread.

I see a lot of people getting hot when a moderator strikes off a comment.

Some are too hot they reply to a topic without even thinking first.

Then again, some topics here are too hot to handle in public and are better left off in the bedroom. Maniid na lang ang mga shy.

When Gretchen Barretto visited town with an unidentified male companion (si Rustom daw), it became hot gossip even here.

Some avatars are too hot--I wonder if the person behind it is as hot?

A Japanese studying English once asked me, is the sensation of having your tongue scalded by boiling soup the same as eating chili pepper? When I replied not really, he followed it up with, "Why do you say hot for both soup and chili?"

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And they say English is hot because it is a rich language. Still, I wonder why they use only one word to mean so many things.




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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2009, 11:23:43 AM »
Bene san mo balik na sa Bread ni Tiya Grasi! hahahhaa

Huy you look good in your avatar! you looked fit my friend!

now is that hot enough? (jawk)

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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2009, 11:32:57 AM »
oh mora lagi pud ug japanese na ug byuti ka sir benelyne

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« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2009, 11:55:47 AM »
Bene san mo balik na sa Bread ni Tiya Grasi! hahahhaa

Huy you look good in your avatar! you looked fit my friend!

now is that hot enough? (jawk)

hahahhaha

ps. yeah you look good, i mean it!


Hi Belle,

Namula man akong agtang nimo uy, ug niinit kalit, hot as in gihilantan!

But talking about hot, your lips can give Angelina Jolie a run for her money!

The Road, istoryahi unya ko kung ok na. Is that also hot, as in the bestseller's list?



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« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2009, 11:59:35 AM »
oh mora lagi pud ug japanese na ug byuti ka sir benelyne

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2009, 12:12:38 PM »
Ang mga TB ay tulad nga  mga malansang isda.
Hindi nagmahal sa ating sariling wika.

Talagsa ra ko makabasa ug mga post nga Filipino.
Kadaghanan Engbis. (english bisaya).

Its because Boholanos are not so fluent in Filipino.

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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2009, 12:18:55 PM »
Ang mga TB ay tulad nga  mga malansang isda.
Hindi nagmahal sa ating sariling wika.

Talagsa ra ko makabasa ug mga post nga Filipino.
Kadaghanan Engbis. (english bisaya).

Its because Boholanos are not so fluent in Filipino.

posting messages in english does not make us less Filipino.
there are other ways of expressing one's nationalism.
if a Filipino is more comfortable in speaking and writing English, would that make him less Filipino?

remember, Rizal wrote the Noli and El Fili in Spanish. and Mi Ultimo Adios was written spanish too.

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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2009, 12:45:57 PM »
posting messages in english does not make us less Filipino.
there are other ways of expressing one's nationalism.
if a Filipino is more comfortable in speaking and writing English, would that make him less Filipino?

remember, Rizal wrote the Noli and El Fili in Spanish. and Mi Ultimo Adios was written spanish too.


good point  Cals! agree ko 120% ahaha nang labaw na!

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2009, 01:29:07 PM »
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japanese gud siguro ila tan-aw nimo  sir benelyne, unsay color passport nila?

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2009, 02:39:43 PM »
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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #71 on: March 27, 2009, 11:53:05 AM »
Ang mga TB ay tulad nga  mga malansang isda.
Hindi nagmahal sa ating sariling wika.

Talagsa ra ko makabasa ug mga post nga Filipino.
Kadaghanan Engbis. (english bisaya).

Its because Boholanos are not so fluent in Filipino.

BULL-s***!!! Nganong ipamugos man gyud nang Tagalog unya ilaha pang ang-gaan kunog "Filipino"! Oppression man na sa atoang mga bisdak. Porque naa sa Luzon ang atoang seat of government? Og buot huna-hunaun mas dakung porsyento ang binisaya kaysa Tagalog !!! Mao bitaw nga sa Cebu binisaya o iningles ang national anthem kay mo kontra gyud mi anang Filipino nga basically Tagalog.  I can fuckin' speak and write Tagalog aka Filipino in correct grammar but don't anybody fuckin' say that we are less Pinoy because we "bisdaks" are not fluent in Fuckin' Tagalog aka Filipino... HELL NO !!!!!!     

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2009, 12:00:21 PM »

good point  Cals! agree ko 120% ahaha nang labaw na!

HOY! bag-o na man kag avatar kagwanga ka.hehehe

busy siguro ka basa-basa anang imung libro kay usahay na man ka idungog diri sa tb. abi nakog natinoud na imung pagkadakop adtong nagposas nimu.

pagbasa suway ug tagalog nga novel, mdb, arun dili masuko/mangloud si sir felix.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2009, 01:44:26 PM »
Okey, mag Engbis ta diri sa TB.

Dili ko mag Filipino kay masapid akong dila.

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« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2009, 02:31:18 PM »
BULL-s***!!! Nganong ipamugos man gyud nang Tagalog unya ilaha pang ang-gaan kunog "Filipino"! Oppression man na sa atoang mga bisdak. Porque naa sa Luzon ang atoang seat of government? Og buot huna-hunaun mas dakung porsyento ang binisaya kaysa Tagalog !!! Mao bitaw nga sa Cebu binisaya o iningles ang national anthem kay mo kontra gyud mi anang Filipino nga basically Tagalog.  I can fuckin' speak and write Tagalog aka Filipino in correct grammar but don't anybody fuckin' say that we are less Pinoy because we "bisdaks" are not fluent in Fuckin' Tagalog aka Filipino... HELL NO !!!!!!     

masuko diay!

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2009, 02:43:22 PM »
huh? im kinda not strict with grammar here in tb as i know that messages are haphazardly posted.

When we take the time to check our grammar, we also have the time to review what we're saying.

Kay tungod kasagara spur-of-the-moment reaction man lagi, kasagara haphazard pud ang pagka-organize sa hunana sa atong gi-post.

Sadly, bad grammar and poorly organized sentences more often than not become the source of misunderstanding.

This principle applies not only when we're using English to communicate our thoughts, but also when we're using Bisaya, Tagalog, Ilonggo or any other language.  Bisan baya Binol-anon, Waray, Japanese naay rules of grammar and punctuation. Following at least the basic rules will convey our thoughts more clearly to others.



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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2009, 03:54:10 PM »
Noted. (yataps, wa na koy excuse sir ben nga sa tinoud galisud ra ba tawn kog english! hehehe)

anyways, you don't have to follow the so-called basic rules in grammar to convey your thoughts.

i think, and i believe, that tb members, through the years, have developed ways to decipher our ways of murdering the english language. may the language rest in peace.

peace, sir ben.

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« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2009, 04:17:16 PM »
Hi Calle,

Dili baya ko English teacher or grammar police. Don't get me wrong, I never pick a fight over English. I also have my own lapses. I agree, our wavelengths here have already converged so that we can "decipher ways of murdering the English language" and get away with it. Dili baya ni phrase nga magama sa usa ka tawo nga galisud tawn ug English. In fact, you are very articulate. Abogado ka no?  I think my mother who is a retired English teacher will give you an A for creative writing.

Diri sa TB, magkasinabtanay jud ta tanan kay lain-lain man tag gigikanan, points of view, backgrounds, and yet keep an open mind. When we are talking on the same wavelength, rules of grammar should serve and not restrict nor oppress us.



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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2009, 06:06:17 PM »
Going to the issue of english in Pinas, I think we have less facilities to widen our english knowledge like, books, magazines, DVD, etc.
Most of our teachers are less motivated for being poorly paid.
I remember my english teacher in Pasay City high ( now East), Ms Velasco had a rolled paper, with the daily practice of phonetics, say for example;
boat-bought
soap-soup
binocular-vernacular
genes-jeans
lead(v)-lead(metal)
I was toying the idea of a bus with truckloads of reading materials for far flung schools, for children maybe some give aways, this project is good for a foundation which might be based anywhere. Books which i s not needed anymore here abroad, just like what Jun Ayag did in Anda ( Grace donated promptly).
Ninidot  unta kon ma-realize ni nato sa Bohol, dili ba?

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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2009, 08:46:34 PM »
Hi Calle,

Dili baya ko English teacher or grammar police. Don't get me wrong, I never pick a fight over English. I also have my own lapses. I agree, our wavelengths here have already converged so that we can "decipher ways of murdering the English language" and get away with it. Dili baya ni phrase nga magama sa usa ka tawo nga galisud tawn ug English. In fact, you are very articulate. Abogado ka no?  I think my mother who is a retired English teacher will give you an A for creative writing.

Diri sa TB, magkasinabtanay jud ta tanan kay lain-lain man tag gigikanan, points of view, backgrounds, and yet keep an open mind. When we are talking on the same wavelength, rules of grammar should serve and not restrict nor oppress us.


you're correct, ben.

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