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Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« on: July 06, 2011, 10:48:40 AM »
Filipino officials ban Chinese diplomat amid spat

By JIM GOMEZ - Associated Press | AP – 56 mins ago


MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine officials have banned a senior Chinese diplomat from meetings for alleged rude behavior, in the latest fallout from a feud over the potentially oil-rich Spratly Islands, officials said.

Department of Foreign Affairs officials said Tuesday that Chinese Embassy First Secretary Li Yongsheng, who heads its political section, raised his voice at a Filipino officer last month while discussing Philippine allegations of Chinese intrusions in Manila-claimed areas in the Spratlys.

A memorandum from the department's Asian and Pacific Affairs office said Li exhibited "conduct unbecoming of a diplomat" and that the Chinese embassy had been informed he would not be allowed to attend future meetings at the Philippine office.

Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario has been informed about the incident, according to the memo, which was seen by The Associated Press.

The memorandum did not provide details of what happened at the meeting, but at least three senior Filipino diplomats said Li raised his voice in an offensive manner during a discussion of Manila's claims that Chinese forces intruded into Philippine territorial waters in and near the Spratlys. The diplomats spoke on condition of anonymity because they lacked authority to talk to reporters.

The Chinese Embassy said Wednesday it would not react to anonymous statements.


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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2011, 10:50:00 AM »
It did not address Li's alleged misconduct but said in a cellphone text message that all its diplomats in Manila are "working with every sense of sincerity and responsibility for the improvement and development of China-Philippines friendly relations."

The Spratlys, a chain of barren, largely uninhabited islands, reefs and banks in the South China Sea, are claimed in entirety by China, Taiwan and Vietnam and in part by the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei. They are believed to be rich in oil and natural gas and straddle busy sea lanes.

Speaking before diplomats Tuesday, Aquino said Filipinos should not allow themselves to be bullied by bigger nations in an obvious reference to China. "If we allow ourselves to be pushed around, maybe tomorrow our 7,100 islands would be down to just two digits," he said.

"Nobody wants trouble but this doesn't mean that we'll allow ourselves to get dragged by bigger countries," he said.


The Philippines has accused Chinese vessels of intruding at least nine times into Philippine waters in recent months, and Vietnam says Chinese vessels have hindered its oil exploration surveys in an area 200 nautical miles (370 kilometers) off its central coast that it claims as its economic exclusive zone.

(underscoring mine)


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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2011, 10:51:46 AM »
China says it has sovereign rights over the entire South China Sea. The reported intrusions have set off anti-China protests.

About a dozen protesters burned two Chinese flags near the U.S. Embassy on Monday. In Vietnam, dozens of people held protests for a fifth straight week in Hanoi on Sunday, waving Vietnamese flags and chanting anti-Chinese slogans.

In the latest reported foreign intrusion into Philippine-claimed waters, an unidentified fighter plane buzzed just 20 feet (six meters) over the tip of an antenna on a boat carrying Filipino fishermen at Dalagang Bukid Shoal near the Spratlys, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said Tuesday.

The fishermen, shaken but unharmed by the June 4 incident, immediately left the area, about 130 miles (210 kilometers) off Palawan province's Balabac Island. The fishermen failed to identify the aircraft, Gazmin said.

On Feb. 25, a Chinese naval vessel allegedly fired to scare away Filipino fishermen from Jackson Atoll, also near the Spratlys. Chinese Ambassador to Manila Liu Jianchao denied that Chinese forces fired at the Filipino fishermen.


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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2011, 10:58:35 AM »
sukad nadato-dato gamay ning china, ninggara na ug paugat.  pagkalisod gyod diay tuod kun wa tay tuhoan nga relihiyon because it denies us the moral compass of reining in our baser instincts, we lose the human dimension and we may be tempted to operate as if money were our god.

unsa god diay ni, abi kay gamay ug pobre kunohay, sayon-sayonon ra?  >:(

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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2011, 11:35:32 AM »


A lone fisherman is silhouetted in Puerto Princesa on the western Philippine island of Palawan. An unidentified foreign plane harassed a group of Philippine fishermen in the South China Sea last month in the latest incident in the disputed waters, the Philippine navy said Tuesday.


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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2011, 01:06:11 PM »
sukad nadato-dato gamay ning china, ninggara na ug paugat.  pagkalisod gyod diay tuod kun wa tay tuhoan nga relihiyon because it denies us the moral compass of reining in our baser instincts, we lose the human dimension and we may be tempted to operate as if money were our god.

unsa god diay ni, abi kay gamay ug pobre kunohay, sayon-sayonon ra?  >:(

China may not have a nationalized religion, however, they do have a moral compass via their age-old Confucian Culture. In fact, China influenced many other east asian societies, namely Japan, Korea and in part Vietnam through Confucian Culture.

The Chinese superiority complex comes from their history. Prior to European colonization and encroachment, and before China's shutting of the outside world, it was common for the Imperial court to receive envoys from around Asia. In order to initiate lucrative trade with China, the envoys had to kowtow to the Emperor.

The Chinese see themselves as culturally superior to all races; be they asian or foreign peoples. Even the name of the country reiterates that. China is otherwise known as "ZHONG GUO" , which means, "The Land between Heaven and Earth".

It would be safe to surmise that the Chinese do not take the Filipno claim seriously because it does not see the Philippines as a serious contender. Nor does it see the Philippines as threat to Chinese domination of the Pacific.

This is antagonistic, of course, to Filipino national interest.

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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2011, 01:21:26 PM »
Filipino officials ban Chinese diplomat amid spat



The Chinese Embassy said Wednesday it would not react to anonymous statements.


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haha, tactical statement. So much diplomatic niceties...

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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2011, 01:51:53 PM »
China may not have a nationalized religion, however, they do have a moral compass via their age-old Confucian Culture. In fact, China influenced many other east asian societies, namely Japan, Korea and in part Vietnam through Confucian Culture.

thanks for the reminder.  neither does the philippines have a nationalized religion.  we just have a majority of adherents of a certain religion.  as for the chinese having the age-old confucian culture, it looks like current chinese government policy doesn't show such culture.  note: 

1)  Proper conduct proceeds not through compulsion, but through a sense of virtue and self-consciousness achieved by learning, observing and practicing.*

2)  Confucius is one of the greatest educators.  He insisted that in education there should be no class distinctions. He established an education system for training in administrative and diplomatic arts.*

3)  A state, without law-abiding families and trustworthy gentlemen, without knowing the threat of external aggression, will perish.*


as for number 3, it looks like it is they with the current "aggression", with sights external.   
 

*from http://index-china.com/main/people/confucianism.php

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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 02:15:49 PM »
The Chinese superiority complex comes from their history. Prior to European colonization and encroachment, and before China's shutting of the outside world, it was common for the Imperial court to receive envoys from around Asia. In order to initiate lucrative trade with China, the envoys had to kowtow to the Emperor.

The Chinese see themselves as culturally superior to all races; be they asian or foreign peoples. Even the name of the country reiterates that. China is otherwise known as "ZHONG GUO" , which means, "The Land between Heaven and Earth".

every nation deserves to take pride in its particular history, but any history does not a superior race make.  even the name a people gives its country would not make them any better or worse than other nations. 


It would be safe to surmise that the Chinese do not take the Filipno claim seriously because it does not see the Philippines as a serious contender. Nor does it see the Philippines as threat to Chinese domination of the Pacific.

it is not only the philippines but all the other claimants that the chinese do not seem to take seriously.  vietnam, for one, claims all of the spratlys like the chinese, unlike the philippines that claims only a part of it, specifically those islands and islets that are within the country's 200-nautical mile eez.

the chinese at the moment cannot be tagged as having dominated the pacific.  a closer look at their moves though would mean they may want to; after dominating trading and manufacturing, now they want territory, with sights set on the busy sea lanes where the spratlys is.  what they may wish for most is to keep u.s. influence out.

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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 02:58:25 PM »
Ah, it comes to pass that superiority complex stems from claims to having droplets of Chinese blood. Alas and alack, we have oft-expunged spectacles thereof.

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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 03:18:23 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 11:13:09 PM »
thanks for the reminder.  neither does the philippines have a nationalized religion.  we just have a majority of adherents of a certain religion.  as for the chinese having the age-old confucian culture, it looks like current chinese government policy doesn't show such culture.  note: 

1)  Proper conduct proceeds not through compulsion, but through a sense of virtue and self-consciousness achieved by learning, observing and practicing.*

2)  Confucius is one of the greatest educators.  He insisted that in education there should be no class distinctions. He established an education system for training in administrative and diplomatic arts.*

3)  A state, without law-abiding families and trustworthy gentlemen, without knowing the threat of external aggression, will perish.*


as for number 3, it looks like it is they with the current "aggression", with sights external.   
 

*from http://index-china.com/main/people/confucianism.php

Chinese Confucian Culture is unique in that it focuses on the concept of Filial Piety. Filial Piety stresses respect for one's elders and those in authority. It requires one's noting that in ancient Chinese history and religion, the Emperor was considered to be the 'Son of Heaven' who has received the Mandate of Heaven to rule and guide the Empire and the subjects within as the mortal father of the entire nation.

In the Chinese view of 'Heaven', the Jade Empress bows before the Jade Emperor (the Emperor of Heaven); and so all the subjects in Heaven bow before the Heavenly Emperor.

And likewise , this relegates to Earth.

The Emperor of China must bow before the power and authority of Heaven. The Imperial Ministers and Privy Councilors , too, have to bow to the Emperor of China. The Generals must bow to the Ministers, the Governors must bow to the Ministers, and likewise, the soldiers bow to the General.

This also transmits to the microeconomic scale. In the family unit, the Mother / Wife will bow to the Husband/ Father. And the Children will bow before their parents.

It is a notion of harmonious acceptance of authority. It has always been part of Chinese culture to recognize that. And thus, it renders us to realize and to accept how they (China and the Chinese people) see their place in the world and how they want to effect change for their national interest.

A proper understanding of this process gives us, Filipino people, an idea how geopolitical changes will affect the interest and state of the Republic of the Philippines.

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 11:27:21 PM »
every nation deserves to take pride in its particular history, but any history does not a superior race make.  even the name a people gives its country would not make them any better or worse than other nations. 

it is not only the philippines but all the other claimants that the chinese do not seem to take seriously.  vietnam, for one, claims all of the spratlys like the chinese, unlike the philippines that claims only a part of it, specifically those islands and islets that are within the country's 200-nautical mile eez.

the chinese at the moment cannot be tagged as having dominated the pacific.  a closer look at their moves though would mean they may want to; after dominating trading and manufacturing, now they want territory, with sights set on the busy sea lanes where the spratlys is.  what they may wish for most is to keep u.s. influence out.

1. I agree with you. Unfortunately for us Filipinos, China does see itself as a Superior Society with an undaunted and practically unchanged continuous history of almost 5 millenia. In their view, even before the European civilizations started to build houses and when they were still living in caves, China already established itself as a civilization with a written language and the idea of a 'China'.

This is the reason why they are so adamant in their 'historical' premise and their right to 'claim' territories based on historical premises.

In Beijing's view, the Philippines is a weak nation that does not have the resources to challenge China. So, in regards to Confucian ideology, naturally, the weaker state is supposed to give in to the stronger and aggressive state. The Philippines and Vietnam challenging Chinese hegemony and domination in the South China Sea is seen as an affront to China and a slap in the face.

That is why they (their diplomatic representatives) are hostile to any Filipino challenge of their claims. This explains why the embassy representative raised his voice at a Filipino official.


2. There are many claimants to the Spratlys: Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei , Indonesia and China.

China does not recognize Taiwan, and prioritizes the reunification of Taiwan as an absolute must. China views Taiwan as a rogue province and has done everything in its power to enforce the '1 China Policy' throughout the world. Until recently, the Philippines recognized Taiwan as an independent state, however, the Philippines changed its policy and ultimately adhered to the '1 China Policy' under stress from Beijing. A payoff for this was increased lucrative trade between China and the Philippines.

China does not recognize the claims of Taiwan, Vietnam, The Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei. It only recognizes its own claim.

In the lat 1980s, China and Vietnam had a naval clash that resulted in the deaths of 70 Vietnamese marines and the sinking of a Vietnamese naval battlegroup by the PLAN (People's Liberation Army Navy) after the Vietnamese tried to seize islands that it claimed. China was quick in its response and obliterated the Vietnamese battlegroup and killed every single Vietnamese marine.

The Philippines was not engaged because at the time , there was a major American presence in the Philippines: Clark Air Force Base, Subic Bay Naval Base.

Any attack on Philippine military vehicles would have resulted in a quick and disastrous American air and naval response. But that was back in the 1980s.


3. China wants the United States out of its sphere of interest; naturally because China sees the United States as an interfering interloper in things that does not involve America, namely the Spratlys. The Spratlys is lucrative because of the following:

     a. the untold billions of units of natural gas reserves
     b. the South China Sea is an important sea lane in which 1/3 of the worlds ships passes through
     c. China no longer relies on the American Navy to patrol the South China Sea and now sees itself as capable to patrol its own sea lanes and to muster its own Blue-Water Navy to project Chinese interests abroad and in its own backyard.




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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 11:39:28 PM »
gyera na! para maka bili na ng baril sa amerika! kelangan nila ang gyera!


A military provocation with China is a foregone conclusion. The United States does not have the power to fight China nor does it have the military and economic resources to engage the Chinese Superpower.

China owns hundreds of billions of dollars worth in American debt. In actuality, America is operating because of borrowed money from China. The Money that Obama used to fund his 'Programs' was borrowed from China. The money that the United States is using to fund its military programs and its domestic programs are borrowed from Chinese banks.

In case of  a war with CHina, China will revoke its investments in America and send the American economy plummeting. How can America fight a hypothetical war if its economy is in recession?

Remember. The recession that America experienced in 2008-2009 was only relieved by the American Government borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars from the Chinese Government.

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One has to think about the logistics, and the costs of initiating a war. A war with China will not do America any good. America thinks for its own national interest. Will Washington risk relations with CHina to fight with the Philippines in case China attacks Philippines? I would say no. America would probably try to support Philippines by giving military aid or selling military equipment to the Philippine Military. But risking open war with the Chinese? I really doubt it.

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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2011, 12:00:07 AM »
thanks for the reminder.  neither does the philippines have a nationalized religion.  we just have a majority of adherents of a certain religion.  as for the chinese having the age-old confucian culture, it looks like current chinese government policy doesn't show such culture.  note: 


3)  A state, without law-abiding families and trustworthy gentlemen, without knowing the threat of external aggression, will perish.*[/i]

as for number 3, it looks like it is they with the current "aggression", with sights external.   
 

*from http://index-china.com/main/people/confucianism.php

Sadly, I do not concur with you. The precept that Confucius reiterates in point #3, " A state, without law-abiding families and trustworthy gentlemen, without knowing the threat of external aggression, will perish," focuses on the need to know one's external environment.

"A state ...without knowing the threat of external aggresion, will perish..."

This relegates the importance of a nation having to defend itself from external aggression. If a state does not know the said threat(s), then it will perish.

The Chinese officials and military brass are now using the Spratlys as pretext to this point. In their view, I'm surmising, if they do not defend their claims in the Spratlys, then no power in the region will take China seriously or would openly confront China , to the interest and detriment of their nation.

In their view, the Philippine occupation of the Kalayaan Islands and claim in the Spratlys is see as a "threat of external aggression.."



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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2011, 12:58:58 AM »
sorry, lorenz.  once you write in lengths like these entries of yours, i no longer wish to read because i know your writing style--- too much unnecessary data without much critical thinking as to whether they are helpful to the discussion or not or whether you are clearly putting your points across or not.  it takes time to filter what we read to be able to come up with something more compact in thought and expression once we presume to know enough to pass it on. 

enjoy your ride on your kind of rhetorics, anyway.

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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2011, 01:00:54 AM »
Sadly, I do not concur with you.

you don't have to.  and please don't be "sad", hehe.

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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2011, 01:04:53 AM »
ah, a selective reader diay ka. tsk, a pity.




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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2011, 01:09:32 AM »
China says it has sovereign rights over the entire South China Sea. The reported intrusions have set off anti-China protests.

About a dozen protesters burned two Chinese flags near the U.S. Embassy on Monday. In Vietnam, dozens of people held protests for a fifth straight week in Hanoi on Sunday, waving Vietnamese flags and chanting anti-Chinese slogans.

In the latest reported foreign intrusion into Philippine-claimed waters, an unidentified fighter plane buzzed just 20 feet (six meters) over the tip of an antenna on a boat carrying Filipino fishermen at Dalagang Bukid Shoal near the Spratlys, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin said Tuesday.

The fishermen, shaken but unharmed by the June 4 incident, immediately left the area, about 130 miles (210 kilometers) off Palawan province's Balabac Island. The fishermen failed to identify the aircraft, Gazmin said.

On Feb. 25, a Chinese naval vessel allegedly fired to scare away Filipino fishermen from Jackson Atoll, also near the Spratlys. Chinese Ambassador to Manila Liu Jianchao denied that Chinese forces fired at the Filipino fishermen.


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Diplomatic anonymity.."enforce actions, but deny responsibility in public.."

This sounds like something the United States did and still does to this day.

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Re: Even Chinese diplomats are bullies?
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2011, 01:18:30 AM »
ah, a selective reader diay ka. tsk, a pity.

a very discriminating reader, if i may say.  i hold some sympathy though for helter-skelter writers and hope that they give themselves more time and more practice to achieve writing discipline. ;D

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« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2011, 05:17:26 AM »
Ang reaksyon sa mga Pilipino sa aggressive aksyon sa Chinese Military



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« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2011, 05:20:04 AM »
Sa una, sa 2008-2009, naa poy demonstrasyon against American 'Imperialism' sa Asya.

Karon, ning balik napood ang 'ka amigohon sa Pilipino ug Amerikano' kai na threatened ang Pilipinas sa Tsayna.

hehehe. ka dali mo change ang national sentiments da!



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« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2011, 05:22:44 AM »
How could we forget this...



karon, kai na hadlok na ang pilipinas sa China, ning balik na pood ang ka alegrehon sa america og pilipinas. hahaha.

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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2011, 05:24:57 AM »
Sa una, sa 2008-2009, naa poy demonstrasyon against American 'Imperialism' sa Asya.

Karon, ning balik napood ang 'ka amigohon sa Pilipino ug Amerikano' kai na threatened ang Pilipinas sa Tsayna.

hehehe. ka dali mo change ang national sentiments da!



Uphold Philippine sovereignty kono by kicking and banning American relations with Philippines. Mao ni ang sentiment sa 2008, 2009.

Now, kai gi threatened na ang Pilipinas sa Chinese power, President Aquino III is now calling American military aid to uphold "Filipino sovereignty" in the Spratlys.

hehehe.

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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2011, 07:21:05 AM »
a very discriminating reader, if i may say. 

I would say that the adjective you use to describe yourself is quite accurate.

Btw , just because China does not have a nationalized religion does not necessarily mean they, as a people, lack a moral compass. They still have a moral compass according to their Confucian Culture.
One in which they still, to this day, enforce and abide by.

The Chinese people are one of the most socially conservative in the world. An effect of their cultural dynamic.


Sincerely,
Lorenzo


:)

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« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2011, 10:47:59 AM »
Chinese Confucian Culture is unique in that it focuses on the concept of Filial Piety. Filial Piety stresses respect for one's elders and those in authority. It requires one's noting that in ancient Chinese history and religion, the Emperor was considered to be the 'Son of Heaven' who has received the Mandate of Heaven to rule and guide the Empire and the subjects within as the mortal father of the entire nation.

In the Chinese view of 'Heaven', the Jade Empress bows before the Jade Emperor (the Emperor of Heaven); and so all the subjects in Heaven bow before the Heavenly Emperor.

And likewise , this relegates to Earth.

The Emperor of China must bow before the power and authority of Heaven. The Imperial Ministers and Privy Councilors , too, have to bow to the Emperor of China. The Generals must bow to the Ministers, the Governors must bow to the Ministers, and likewise, the soldiers bow to the General.

This also transmits to the microeconomic scale. In the family unit, the Mother / Wife will bow to the Husband/ Father. And the Children will bow before their parents.

It is a notion of harmonious acceptance of authority. It has always been part of Chinese culture to recognize that. And thus, it renders us to realize and to accept how they (China and the Chinese people) see their place in the world and how they want to effect change for their national interest.

A proper understanding of this process gives us, Filipino people, an idea how geopolitical changes will affect the interest and state of the Republic of the Philippines.

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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2011, 10:50:00 AM »
PILIPINO DAKO MATA - GAMAY KITA.....

INTSIK GAMAY MATA - DAKO KITA!......

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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2011, 11:05:40 AM »
Bastos kay nagtuong superior ning mga Insik, unya naa pa ra ba juy molaban... :P

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« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2011, 11:42:08 AM »
Angay bang hinginlan, este, hinganlan? ;D

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« Reply #30 on: July 07, 2011, 02:18:37 PM »
Sa una, sa 2008-2009, naa poy demonstrasyon against American 'Imperialism' sa Asya.

Karon, ning balik napood ang 'ka amigohon sa Pilipino ug Amerikano' kai na threatened ang Pilipinas sa Tsayna.

hehehe. ka dali mo change ang national sentiments da!
Uphold Philippine sovereignty kono by kicking and banning American relations with Philippines. Mao ni ang sentiment sa 2008, 2009.

Now, kai gi threatened na ang Pilipinas sa Chinese power, President Aquino III is now calling American military aid to uphold "Filipino sovereignty" in the Spratlys.

hehehe.

first, you give a long lecture about china.  then you mock our country's changing national sentiments (as perceived by you).  from someone who nitpicks about being within the topic?

do not mistake the sentiments of some individuals or special interest groups as government policy, please.  or are you telling us that it's benigno aquino III there as president who's demonstrating against american imperialism in the pictures that you've posted?

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« Reply #31 on: July 07, 2011, 02:20:56 PM »
I would say that the adjective you use to describe yourself is quite accurate.

Btw , just because China does not have a nationalized religion does not necessarily mean they, as a people, lack a moral compass. They still have a moral compass according to their Confucian Culture.
One in which they still, to this day, enforce and abide by.

The Chinese people are one of the most socially conservative in the world. An effect of their cultural dynamic.

Sincerely,
Lorenzo

:)

suit yourself.  nobody said otherwise.

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« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2011, 02:27:29 PM »
first, you give a long lecture about china.  then you mock our country's changing national sentiments (as perceived by you).  from someone who nitpicks about being within the topic?

do not mistake the sentiments of some individuals or special interest groups as government policy, please.  or are you telling us that it's benigno aquino III there as president who's demonstrating against american imperialism in the pictures that you've posted?

a little piece of advice to get away from sophism:  take care of your syllogism.

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« Reply #33 on: July 07, 2011, 02:28:16 PM »
kinsa?

a gorilla in their midst.

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« Reply #34 on: July 07, 2011, 03:31:06 PM »
first, you give a long lecture about china.  then you mock our country's changing national sentiments (as perceived by you).  from someone who nitpicks about being within the topic?

do not mistake the sentiments of some individuals or special interest groups as government policy, please.  or are you telling us that it's benigno aquino III there as president who's demonstrating against american imperialism in the pictures that you've posted?

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« Reply #35 on: July 07, 2011, 10:22:09 PM »
suit yourself.  nobody said otherwise.

Just driving my point on your erroneous assumption that the Chinese have no moral compass because of their lack of a nationalized religion.

Here's a point to you isles. Stick to the topic. You have a tendency of evading the point.

Petty tactic, IMHO.



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« Reply #36 on: July 07, 2011, 10:25:02 PM »
sukad nadato-dato gamay ning china, ninggara na ug paugat.  gyod diay tuod kun wa tay tuhoan nga relihiyon because it denies us the moral compass of reining in our baser instincts, we lose the human dimension and we may be tempted to operate as if money were our god.

unsa god diay ni, abi kay gamay ug pobre kunohay, sayon-sayonon ra?  >:(

Wrong ka kaayo!

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« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2011, 04:24:30 AM »


Confused Shus says:

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Drink water to cool your head

Hot temper flames

Even icy relationships . . .

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« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2011, 05:35:35 AM »
If China did not recoil from its territorial tussle with Japan, an economic superpower within its own league, over the Senkaku islands in an East China Sea incident last year, how can we expect it to go soft on us over the Spratly Islands? Japan's arrest of the Chinese fishing boat crew  set off a chain of saber rattling, retributive arrest of Japanese nationals, Chinese government-orchestrated sabotage of economic reciprocity which eventually resulted in Japan releasing the crew and then the captain after a few months.

We do not have the latitude to engage in such brinksmanship. But respond firmly we must. Japan was almost bullied, but when it symbollically held its ground through the arrest, China got the message.

As to the Spratlys, it would be more effective to bring this issue to the regional forum ASEAN, where our concerns resonate closer to home. The issue should be addressed through the law of the sea convention, and not through historical claims.

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« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2011, 09:55:26 AM »
If China did not recoil from its territorial tussle with Japan, an economic superpower within its own league, over the Senkaku islands in an East China Sea incident last year, how can we expect it to go soft on us over the Spratly Islands? Japan's arrest of the Chinese fishing boat crew  set off a chain of saber rattling, retributive arrest of Japanese nationals, Chinese government-orchestrated sabotage of economic reciprocity which eventually resulted in Japan releasing the crew and then the captain after a few months.

We do not have the latitude to engage in such brinksmanship. But respond firmly we must. Japan was almost bullied, but when it symbollically held its ground through the arrest, China got the message.

As to the Spratlys, it would be more effective to bring this issue to the regional forum ASEAN, where our concerns resonate closer to home. The issue should be addressed through the law of the sea convention, and not through historical claims.

I AGREE WITH BEN.....

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