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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #80 on: July 27, 2011, 11:57:43 PM »
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  • What Guttmacher failed to point out in RH

    Philippine Daily Inquirer
    Thursday, July 28th, 2011



    THIS REFERS to two letters, published in the Inquirer, that may be confusing to readers.

    The first letter, from Raul Nidoy (“Breathtaking infatuation for RH bill,” Inquirer, 5/10/11), correctly referenced our systematic review, published in the Archives of Family Medicine, in which we concluded, “that good evidence exists to support the hypothesis that the effectiveness of oral contraceptives depends to some degree on postfertilization effects” on the lining of the uterus (endometrium).

    This fact is now so well-established in medical literature that the United States Food and Drug Administration says of the pill: “Although the primary mechanism of action is inhibition of ovulation, other alterations include… changes in the endometrium which reduce the likelihood of implantation.”

    The American Society for Reproductive Medicine also admits that the pill modifies “the endometrium, thus preventing implantation.”

    If a woman on the pill has a breakthrough ovulation, the pill-caused changes in the endometrium will increase the chance of an unrecognized, pill-induced loss of a preborn human.

    For those who believe that human life begins at fertilization, then any pill-caused post-fertilization loss of life would be, by definition, an abortifacient.


    http://opinion.inquirer.net/8731/
    Republic Act 8485 (Animal Welfare Act of 1998, Philippines), as amended and strengthened by House  Bill 6893 of 2013--- violation means a maximum of P250,000 fine with a corresponding three-year jail term and a minimum of P30,000 fine and six months imprisonment


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    Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
    « Reply #81 on: July 28, 2011, 12:06:01 AM »
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  • The second letter, from Guttmacher Institute (“RH research findings distorted,” Inquirer, 7/1/11), claims that the “pill only serves to prevent a pregnancy; it does not terminate a pregnancy.  It is blatantly false and against all scientific evidence to claim that the pill is an abortifacient.”

    This letter, purposefully we think, does not tell the readers that the Institute defines pregnancy as beginning at implantation, a full 5-7 days after fertilization, when the unborn human, now called a blastocyst (not a “fertilized egg”), is made up of roughly 100 or more cells.

    Since the pill does not affect an unborn child after implantation and the Institute defines pregnancy as not beginning until implantation, then they can claim the pill is not an abortifacient, but only because they refuse to define pregnancy as beginning at fertilization.

    The bottom line is this: if one believes human life begins at fertilization, then good scientific data exist to demonstrate that the pill works, at times, as an abortifacient.

    Furthermore, given that there are highly effective, inexpensive, totally natural, and non-abortifacient methods of birth control (the methods of modern natural family planning), it appears that most arguments for using birth control pills can be said to be advocating convenience for mothers and fathers at the potential expense of innocent and invaluable human life.

    WALTER L. LARIMORE, MD
    assistant clinical professor
    Department of Community and Family Medicine
    University of Colorado
    Health Sciences Center
    Denver, CO, USA

    JOSEPH B. STANFORD, MD, MSPH, CFCMC
    professor, Division of Public Health
    George D. and Esther S. Gross Chair
    Department of Family and Preventive Medicine
    University of Utah
    375 Chipeta Way, Suite A
    Salt Lake City, UT 84108, USA


    http://opinion.inquirer.net/8731/

    (underscoring mine)
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    Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
    « Reply #82 on: July 28, 2011, 12:21:17 AM »
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  • Now, where in the Consolidated RH Bill can we read about the definition of when does life begin? Wa gajud. Mao ni wa maklaro pa.
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    Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
    « Reply #83 on: July 28, 2011, 12:39:36 AM »
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  • would it be safe to say then that it may appear that those who crafted this bill weren't too concerned with ethical matters?  or maybe the saw poverty (oh, this overused word to describe our kind, sigh) as ethical enough a reason for having fewer of us?   
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    « Reply #84 on: July 28, 2011, 01:08:17 AM »
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  • Life Begins at the Beginning
    (A Doctor Gives the Scientific Facts on When Life Begins)


    By Fritz Baumgartner, MD

    April 12, 2005

    Dear Friend,

    We can approach abortion from many perspectives: Biological, embryological, genetic, philosophical, social and economic, at the very least. As for the first three – my approach as a scientist, physician, surgeon, and simply someone who finished medical school, is factual.

    There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate.

    There is no more appropriate moment to begin calling a human "human" than the moment of fertilization. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because it would be a degradation of factual embryology to say it would be any other moment. For example, some pro-abortion zealots and even, shockingly, some disingenuous physicians claim it is the moment of primitive notochord formation (nonsense!) or, even more absurdly, the moment of implantation. (It defies sanity to claim that the implantation of a developing blastocyst onto a uterine wall defines humanity more than does the completion of an entirely new DNA map, which defines a new organism's existence).

    And to say that "size" is a determinant of humanity, of course, is an unscientific reason to deny an embryo his or her human status.  In any event, it is an embryological reality, which no embryology textbook on earth denies, that at the moment of fertilization a new human being is formed.

    Following below is some information about some of the less noble ideologies of my colleagues in medicine as they pertain to defining humanity and defending abortion. I hope it helps you refute pro-abortion lies.

    Abortion is violence

    Some people muse whether modern-day abortion is as bad as the Holocaust genocide of the Nazis. What is our answer?

    Looking at numbers alone, we are now, in 2005, comparing 44 million surgically aborted babies in the USA alone (not even considering the babies who die by pharmaceutical methods like the Pill, RU486, DepoProvera), to 6 million Jews in Europe. The evil rationale of the Holocaust was racial hatred -- the furthering of an “Aryan race” and genocide against Jews. The rationale of our modern Holocaust, by the very admission of pro-abortion groups, is primarily convenience.

    The vocation of medicine and the vocation of motherhood are both profoundly sacred and should teach us that human life is of immense value. Abortion hijacks the vocations of motherhood and medicine and distorts them into something unrecognizable. Abortion takes ordinary pregnant mothers and makes them accomplices in – literally – murder. When human life is thus cheapened, we all lose. As I wrote in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology,

    "Modern American society has a strange ambivalence to violence and death, on the one hand expressing horror at high school massacres yet on the other hand perhaps merely shrugging in discomfort at the willful termination of early human life to the tune of tens of millions. The roots of this ambivalence lie in convenience, self-centeredness, and our national confusion regarding legitimate versus illegitimate 'choice.' Teenagers intuitively sense phoniness and hypocrisy and may have more trouble than adults in reconciling this apparent paradox, which seems so unnatural to the innocent mind yet on the other hand is almost taken for granted by society and, sadly, by medicine. As Mother Teresa of Calcutta said, ‘If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill each other?…Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want…’ " (1)

    Hippocratic Oath was anti-abortion

    When does life begin?

    Some people claim that our human lives really do not begin at fertilization, and that a more realistic time for the dignity of "humanity" to be imparted on a growing blastocyst-embryo would be about a week after fertilization, about the time of implantation.

    It does not change things that in centuries past, some great Catholic theologians and philosophers differed on when precisely a biological entity becomes infused with a human soul. St. Thomas Aquinas, using the limited scientific knowledge of the 13th century, followed Aristotle that the conception of a male child was completed at day 40, and that of the female child at the 90th day, with replacement of the embryo's “nutritive soul” by a human soul. The Venerable Maria de Agreda, a 17th-century visionary, wrote that human "ensoulment" occurs at different times for boys and girls, and that it occurs at a time later than fertilization.

    I am not a philosopher or theologian but a student of medicine and surgery. I can speak to you with authority that from a pure, unadulterated biological and embryological standpoint, there is no greater pivotal moment in our growth and development than when 23 chromosomes from our father join with 23 chromosomes from our mother to form a unique, new biologic entity who heretofore simply had not existed.

    This new biological individual is complete, has a gender, and is fully and uniquely programmed and equipped to grow and develop and change until death. All he or she needs is nutrition and a warm place to grow. To say that an embryo has the "potential" to become a human being is biologically and technically imprecise – and dangerous.

    Perhaps even more dangerous is the concept that it is not a precise moment, but a gradation of human worth. With this model, a preborn baby at 3 months is somewhat of a human being, but a newborn is more of a human being.


    http://www.prolife.com/life_begins.html

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    Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
    « Reply #85 on: July 28, 2011, 01:13:47 AM »
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  • As a Medical Intern and a Clinical Instructor of Advanced EKG and Advanced Cardiac Life Support , I concur with Dr. Baumgartner. Life does not begin at delivery, life does not begin during 'fetal' stage of gestation. No. A human being's life begins during conception. When the 23 chromosomes that belong to mother join and unite with the 23 chromosomes that belong to the father. Together, they make a totally new , living being.


    Life begins at conception. This is fact.

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    « Reply #86 on: July 28, 2011, 01:25:22 AM »
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  • Do these politicians and supporters of RH bill know how it is like to deliver a child? A living, breathing child?

    I have delivered a child during a rotation in the Obstetrics/Gynecology Ward. It is not some kind of animal that comes out of a woman's vagina after 9 months of formation in the uterus. No. It is not some kind of 'it', but a human being. A human being with a soul, with a nervous system. A human being who can hear, feel pain, feel joy, and all the senses preordained all humans can experience by God.

    Do these politicians know the effects of misoprostol (the abortifacient drug)? I do. I have treated patients who came to the E.R because of the massive blood loss after taking misoprostol. Hundreds of American patients die every year because of the effects of misoprostol , when used for abortion.

    The only ones to benefit from this RH bill passing are the pharmaceutical companies.

    In America, misoprostol is also known as "Cytotec". It is voraciously prescribed in these so called "Family Planning Facilities", which charge a pregnant mother some $400 for the pills that will induce her uterine lining to rip and to induce massive bleeding, killing the living child in the process.

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    « Reply #87 on: July 28, 2011, 01:43:05 AM »
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  • would it be safe to say then that it may appear that those who crafted this bill weren't too concerned with ethical matters?  or maybe the saw poverty (oh, this overused word to describe our kind, sigh) as ethical enough a reason for having fewer of us?   

    Mao nay kuwang sa RH Bill, ang ethical side. Kanang mga proponents magsige ug ingon sa mga kontra basahon kono ang mao nga giduso nga balaud aron masuta kung naa ba gajuy dautan nga nakabutang didto. Warning lang, kung magbasa ka sa RH Bill mura ra ka ug nakakita sa nigil-it nga tumoy sa iceberg nga naa sa tubig.
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  • As a Medical Intern and a Clinical Instructor of Advanced EKG and Advanced Cardiac Life Support , I concur with Dr. Baumgartner. Life does not begin at delivery, life does not begin during 'fetal' stage of gestation. No. A human being's life begins during conception. When the 23 chromosomes that belong to mother join and unite with the 23 chromosomes that belong to the father. Together, they make a totally new , living being.


    Life begins at conception. This is fact.

    I agree with this. ;D
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    « Reply #89 on: July 28, 2011, 08:53:56 PM »
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    « Reply #90 on: July 29, 2011, 05:37:36 AM »
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  • Perhaps even more dangerous is the concept that it is not a precise moment, but a gradation of human worth. With this model, a preborn baby at 3 months is somewhat of a human being, but a newborn is more of a human being.

    wow!  one of the best arguments i have come across.  if only our legislators can read this.
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    « Reply #91 on: July 29, 2011, 11:18:16 AM »
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  • Life begins at conception. There is no difference between termination of life during gestation to terminating life pospartum. Murder is murder.


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    « Reply #92 on: July 29, 2011, 11:22:38 AM »
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  • God bless the Catholic Church and leaders who have taken the cross to speak for and defend the rights of the unborn, and the defenseless.

    Uphold and maintain the dignity of human life: born and unborn.


     

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