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are you in favor of abortion?
« on: September 17, 2012, 03:10:09 PM »
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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 03:42:36 PM »
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  • barack obama is in favor of abortion. america is cursed.
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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 06:00:40 PM »
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  • Mao jud ni reason nga di gyud ko moboto ni obama. Heheheh.
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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #3 on: September 17, 2012, 06:44:19 PM »
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  • i am not.  no ko, kay ang atong tinan-awan yes and no ra, or black and white ra man.

    as for obama, there are nuances.  the answer is not a simple yes or no.  there are too many gray areas between a yes and a no, especially in the case of national leaders and political parties whose decisions involve legislation and state funds.  an example:

    Question: What is Barack Obama's position on abortion?

    Answer: A pro-choice advocate, Barack Obama has said that if elected he would make preserving a women's right to choose a priority and would oppose any constitutional amendment to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    His position on abortion is long-standing and well-documented; he had gone on record as apro-choice politician as far back as 1998, during his time as an Illinois state legislator. However, he has stated throughout his political career that with regard to partial birth abortion a state can restrict late-term abortions. In an April 2008 interview with Fox News, he expressed concern that any such restrictions include a provision to protect the health of the mother.

    Though he firmly supports reproductive choice, he has reached out to the pro-life movement. In his words, those who are pro-life "should continue to be able to lawfully object and try to change the laws." (http://womensissues.about.com/)
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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #4 on: September 17, 2012, 06:52:04 PM »
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  • now let's go to terminologies...

    pro-choice, reproductive choice

    Pro-choice means you decide. I don't decide for you, you don't decide for me.

    I don't believe in letting anyone make important decisions for me - no one can tell me when it's time for me to be a mom or create a life. (http://www.fwhc.org/)
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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #5 on: September 17, 2012, 06:57:44 PM »
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  • a defining moment on abortion in the u.s. was the supreme court's decision of this landmark case:

    Roe vs. Wade

    Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court on the issue of abortion.  Decided simultaneously with a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the Court ruled that a right to privacy under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment extended to a woman's decision to have an abortion, but that right must be balanced against the state's two legitimate interests in regulating abortions: protecting prenatal life and protecting women's health.  Arguing that these state interests became stronger over the course of a pregnancy, the Court resolved this balancing test by tying state regulation of abortion to the trimester of pregnancy. (wikipedia)
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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #6 on: September 17, 2012, 07:00:10 PM »
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  • a very interesting aspect of the landmark case:

    The Court later rejected Roe's trimester framework, while affirming Roe's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability.  The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks." (wikipedia)
    Republic Act 8485 (Animal Welfare Act of 1998, Philippines), as amended and strengthened by House  Bill 6893 of 2013--- violation means a maximum of P250,000 fine with a corresponding three-year jail term and a minimum of P30,000 fine and six months imprisonment

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #7 on: September 17, 2012, 07:06:19 PM »
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  • In disallowing many state and federal restrictions on abortion in the United States, Roe v. Wade prompted a national debate that continues today, about issues including whether and to what extent abortion should be legal, who should decide the legality of abortion, what methods the Supreme Court should use in constitutional adjudication, and what the role should be of religious and moral views in the political sphere. Roe v. Wade reshaped national politics, dividing much of the United States into pro-choice and pro-life camps, while activating grassroots movements on both sides. (wikipedia)
    Republic Act 8485 (Animal Welfare Act of 1998, Philippines), as amended and strengthened by House  Bill 6893 of 2013--- violation means a maximum of P250,000 fine with a corresponding three-year jail term and a minimum of P30,000 fine and six months imprisonment

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #8 on: September 17, 2012, 07:12:52 PM »
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  • as we may glean, being pro-choice is not as simple as being pro-abortion per se.  anybody with a law background can understand this very well.  (i try to even if i don't remember a single lesson in my law 1 class.)

    my point here is to always try to go beyond a simple yes or no, beyond what we read or know or presume to know.  (not that i don't believe we don't do that at all; that's why we have this forum.)  this is my contribution, thus.  it doesn't mean i don't need further enlightenment... 
    Republic Act 8485 (Animal Welfare Act of 1998, Philippines), as amended and strengthened by House  Bill 6893 of 2013--- violation means a maximum of P250,000 fine with a corresponding three-year jail term and a minimum of P30,000 fine and six months imprisonment

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #9 on: September 17, 2012, 08:29:52 PM »
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  • I am against abortion.

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #10 on: September 17, 2012, 08:33:05 PM »
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  • I am also against abortion - the deliberate expulsion of the fetus from the mother's womb.
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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #11 on: September 17, 2012, 08:37:15 PM »
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  • as we may glean, being pro-choice is not as simple as being pro-abortion per se.  anybody with a law background can understand this very well.  (i try to even if i don't remember a single lesson in my law 1 class.)

    my point here is to always try to go beyond a simple yes or no, beyond what we read or know or presume to know.  (not that i don't believe we don't do that at all; that's why we have this forum.)  this is my contribution, thus.  it doesn't mean i don't need further enlightenment... 
    daan pa lagi ko. abogado jud ning ahong amiga

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #12 on: September 17, 2012, 08:38:08 PM »
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  • Abortion is the murder of a human life. Anyone who commits abortion , if he or she is a catholic, must repent for this murder of human life. Sanctification can be found only through the Sacrament of Reconciliation through the forgiveness of sins.


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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #13 on: September 17, 2012, 08:39:38 PM »
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  • Anyone who defends abortion through all terms of pregnancy is, in regards to Roman Catholic Ecclesiastic Teaching, guilty of Heresy! God have mercy on them.

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #14 on: September 17, 2012, 09:34:35 PM »
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  • It is statistically prove that abortion increases damage to the endometrial lining and can increase the chances of having difficult pregnancies later on.

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #15 on: September 17, 2012, 10:19:56 PM »
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  • "Sa pagkakaron nga medjo sakto2x nakog pangisip deli gyud ko pabor aning aborsyon kay makadaut gayod kini sa mga kababayen-an, it can affect womens HEALTH ug usa pa dakong sala gayud kining trabahua sa atong Ginoong Dios nga labawng maka gagahum."

    KNOW ABOUT ABORTION RISK! & The Sin of Abortion


    For most of the women abortion is not just medical procedure, but it is considered as life changing event, which can bring significant physical, emotional, and spiritual consequences.

    Apart from being a simple medical procedure, it has considerable risks involved with it. Some of the significant abortion risks are discussed below.
    Significant risks involved in abortion:

        * Heavy bleeding: Bleeding after the abortion procedure is quite common. But if your cervix is torn or punctured then it can lead to heavy, abnormal bleeding. This kind of severe bleeding after abortion is known as hemorrhaging. Only in some cases, this kind of abortion risk needs surgery.Abortion Risk
        * Infections: Any fetal part left inside the womb (abnormal or incomplete abortion) can cause infections for your pelvic parts. These infections can also be caused due to the surgical instruments which are inserted into the uterus during the surgery. The pelvic infection can be identified with persistent fever.
        * Incomplete abortion: Some times the abortion can be incomplete with some unwanted fetal parts left inside the uterus. This can lead to severe complications after the abortion.
        * Perforation of the uterus: The major risk in abortion is puncturing or perforation of the uterus. This can be due to improper use of surgical instruments during the surgery. This kind of risks in abortion can lead to hysterectomy that is removal of uterus.
        * Damage to internal organs: The surgical procedure involved in abortion has many complications. During the surgery, the surrounding organs near the uterus can be injured. This is also one of the major factors of abortion risks.
        * Scars on the uterus lining: Because of suction tubing, curettes and the use of other surgical instruments there is a chance for permanent scars on uterus lining.
        * Cervix injury: Cervix puncture is a considerable risk in abortion. Damage or injury to cervix can cause severe vaginal bleeding which in turn needs a surgical repair.
        * Anesthesia: There are several complications involved with the use of general anesthesia during the surgery. It can cause heart attack, convulsion in body functions and in some rare cases it can lead to death.

    Other significant abortion risks:

        * Breast cancer: This is considered as major risk in abortion. About 50% of women are affected by this type of cancer after abortion.
        * Premature delivery: When you go through one or more induced abortion surgeries, there is a significantly increased risk of premature delivery in future. This kind of abortion risk is mainly associated with several complications like cerebral palsy, prematurity in brain, eye problems and several bowel diseases.
        * Infertility: This is a very rare case in the risks of abortion, where a woman might not get pregnancy in future.
        * Pelvic inflammatory diseases: This can be a life threatening risk for you after abortion, which can lead to infertility and ectopic pregnancy. About 5% of women suffer with pelvic inflammatory diseases.

    Psychological effects of abortion

    Many women suffer with emotional and psychological problems after experiencing abortion. Some of these problems are depression, acute feeling of grief and fear of disclosure, eating disorders, suicide tendencies, anxiety and also increased consumption of alcohol and drugs.

    These are some of the risks involved in abortion. So think before you go for an abortion surgery. Avoid abortion, unless and until it is obligatory in terms of your health.


    The sin of Abortion according to  —Exodus 20:13

    “Thou shalt not kill.”   

     There is not a more hideous evil on the face of the earth today than abortion. There is a woeful hypocrisy in those who cringe in disgust over the holocaust of Hitler's war machine, while at the same time endorsing and supporting the holocaust of abortion. Ecclesiastes 11:5 states, “As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.”


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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #16 on: September 17, 2012, 10:38:34 PM »
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  • daan pa lagi ko. abogado jud ning ahong amiga

    maajo, kay na-attorney outlaw kog ahat nga law 1 ra ko kutob (law 1 sa bachelor's degree ha, dili law 1 sa law school). ;D

    p.s. gi-encourage ko sa una ni erpat nga moeskwela ug law, tubag ko-- wa man gani ko masapi ug accounting kay magtuon, law na ba kaha.  di sad ko ganahan nga sa tibuok nakong kinabuhi magsige lang kog pangabogar, hahaha!

    so there, sir balong, di ko abogado. 
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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #17 on: September 17, 2012, 11:13:43 PM »
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  • he he he, editor and asawa sa abogado ni si isles. ;D

    bright jamo lagi.

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #18 on: September 18, 2012, 05:35:32 AM »
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  • maajo, kay na-attorney outlaw kog ahat nga law 1 ra ko kutob (law 1 sa bachelor's degree ha, dili law 1 sa law school). ;D

    p.s. gi-encourage ko sa una ni erpat nga moeskwela ug law, tubag ko-- wa man gani ko masapi ug accounting kay magtuon, law na ba kaha.  di sad ko ganahan nga sa tibuok nakong kinabuhi magsige lang kog pangabogar, hahaha!

    so there, sir balong, di ko abogado. 
    abogago na lang. you would have been an excellent lawyer. wa jud koy dag-anan nimo

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    Re: are you in favor of abortion?
    « Reply #19 on: September 18, 2012, 05:43:14 AM »
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  • dihay bag-ong nahitabo sa new york. 18 yr. old nag pa abort. patay ang bata ug inahan. dili ikatinga ning ka gubots sa kalibots karon. compared to  mothers  killing  their own babies,  killing a fellow human being is easier

     

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