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Tan Ancestry
« on: June 15, 2010, 06:17:44 AM »
For all those who have some links to the Tan Surname; Tan ancestry.


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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2010, 06:21:45 AM »
My great grandfather (my mother's side) was from Guangzhou, China. He was 100% Pure Han Chinese.

His Chinese name was Tan Ngai ; he arrived to the Philippines by way of Sulu then to Cebu in 1909. He arrived to the Philippines with his brother (we do not know his name); his brother stayed in Cebu, while Lolo migrated to the town of Valencia in Bohol.

His Filipino name was: Mariano Tan. He eventually married my great grandmother, Gabina Ignalan (half Castillian Spanish, half Filipina).
They had 4 children: Fortunata Tan (my grandmother), Cecilio Tan (my grand uncle), Balbina Tan (my grand aunt) and Juliano Tan (my grand uncle).



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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2010, 09:19:31 AM »
there are some Tans in Talibon...

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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2010, 02:57:09 PM »
Thank You. I also found out that I have relatives in Cebu, and many more in Guangzhou and Fuzhou, China.

Interesting how genealogy works out.

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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2010, 01:31:00 AM »
Hi Dong Lorenz!

My paternal grandfather was Tan Guan Sing (aka Tan Tek Liong) ... ambot ngano these names ... I dont have specific info about how he landed diri sa Bohol.  He was based in Guindulman, Bohol.  His Filipino name was Eufrosino (Singa) Tan.  He married my paternal grandmother Teofista Jayoma Amora.

I am very unfortunate not have any details as specific as yours.  But from what little I have heard my Lolo maintained books of accounts for some of the Chinese community in Bohol, as well as served as a "letter writer" for some of the Chinese in Bohol who were not literate.  Ang alam ko, he was from Amoy, China. 

He used to also trade copra until his death in 1954?

My father has a half brother, Tan Ho Chuan (Filipino name:  Juan Tan) but he is now on his early stage of second childhood.  So it is malabo to get details from him ...

I wished though, that I had the opportunity of knowing my Chinese granddad (and his Chinese family), as even here in the UK I am more often mistaken, and described by both the British and some Filipinos as "Chinese"!!!

Last year, I even went to the extent of accepting an assignment to teach English in China, in my desire to learn Mandarin ... my first step to my quest of locating my Chinese grandfather's "links"!

Again from what little I know ... he has some distant relatives in Jagna, Cebu and possibly Ormoc.  Maybe when I retire I will spend some of my remaining days looking for these "relatives" ...
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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2010, 02:17:37 AM »
I went back to Bohol this summer and my uncle Romeo showed me a picture of my Lolo Mariano when he was younger (at age 21) which was taken in 1903 when he was still in China. These were government papers. He left China by way of Macao, China, and entered the Philippines via the port in Sulu (Tawi Tawi) , which was common for most Chinese immigrants to the Philippines. Manila being quite hostile to Chinese immigrants at the time.

The writings were in Chinese caligraphy, and my uncle translated it for me (my uncle can read and speak chinese).

My lolo's full name was: Tan Ngai He. He was born and raised in a village in the rural Guangzhou, CHINA. I found out that the surname TAN is an ancient Chinese surname, which is kin to the TANG. The TANG Dynasty of China was a powerful golden dynasty that ruled from the south of China. In actuality, the original PURE HAN chinese ethnic group are from the south. The Cantonese/ Hokkien languages are original chinese languages. Mandarin being only a northern dialect and more influenced by mongol/uigurs of the north.

During the late 19th century and very early 20th century, there was a massive Chinese diaspora to the Philippines; considering that the Chinese Qing Dynasty was collapsing at the time. China was very poor; the people were desperate to find a new life. Many of them found their future in the Philippines--which at the time was rather hostile to Chinese immigrants.

My lola Nating told me how when she was still a child, the ethnic filipinos would taunt the chinese and the chinese-filipinos. It was hard kono. But it is interesting how very successful they were, economically. Again, the Confucian work ethic was retained by the chinese immigrants; still is to this day.

My Lolo Mariano had a brother who became a consul to China ; was based in Cebu. THo he had relatives too that were in Bohol. It could be a strong possibility that your lolo and my lolo were related. Considering the TAN CLAN comes from the same source. GUANGZHOU, CHINA.

The TAN surname is thousands of years old. It traces back to our ancestry and relations to the TANG DYNASTY, IMPERIAL CHINA.


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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2010, 02:19:32 AM »
Hi Dong Lorenz!

My paternal grandfather was Tan Guan Sing (aka Tan Tek Liong) ... ambot ngano these names ... I dont have specific info about how he landed diri sa Bohol.  He was based in Guindulman, Bohol.  His Filipino name was Eufrosino (Singa) Tan.  He married my paternal grandmother Teofista Jayoma Amora.

I am very unfortunate not have any details as specific as yours.  But from what little I have heard my Lolo maintained books of accounts for some of the Chinese community in Bohol, as well as served as a "letter writer" for some of the Chinese in Bohol who were not literate.  Ang alam ko, he was from Amoy, China. 

He used to also trade copra until his death in 1954?

My father has a half brother, Tan Ho Chuan (Filipino name:  Juan Tan) but he is now on his early stage of second childhood.  So it is malabo to get details from him ...

I wished though, that I had the opportunity of knowing my Chinese granddad (and his Chinese family), as even here in the UK I am more often mistaken, and described by both the British and some Filipinos as "Chinese"!!!

Last year, I even went to the extent of accepting an assignment to teach English in China, in my desire to learn Mandarin ... my first step to my quest of locating my Chinese grandfather's "links"!

Again from what little I know ... he has some distant relatives in Jagna, Cebu and possibly Ormoc.  Maybe when I retire I will spend some of my remaining days looking for these "relatives" ...

My lolo, Tan Ngai He (Mariano Tan) was a businessman in life. He was a rice buyer/seller and did business in Jagna, Garcia Hernandez, Valencia, Dimiao, Ubay, Guindulman, Lila, Loay, Tagbilaran etc. He was in Jagna for some time before moving and settling in VALENCIA, BOHOL.

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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2010, 03:06:39 AM »
Hi once again!

Very interesting!

My Uncle Chuan, as I have in my previous posts, is still alive.  But very unfortunately, he refused to answer any questions I had about the family.  My Lolo Singa came with Uncle Chuan to the Philippines when Uncle Chuan was just 6 years old.

Uncle Chuan although very bright was not even able to talk the CPA board exams because at that time he still held a Chinese passport.  It was not until he was in his late fifties when he finally got naturalized. Maybe that explains his reticence to pass any form of info!

My granddad, besides making a living as a "Bookkeeper", was a "letter-writer" for some Chinese (when sending letters back to their families in China) and was also into sari-sari store and copra-buying operations.

Do you know if we coud check some details about my Lolo via the Statistics Office, or perhaps the Census?

Thanks, once again!

Annabelle
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2010, 08:15:50 AM »
Hi once again!

Very interesting!

My Uncle Chuan, as I have in my previous posts, is still alive.  But very unfortunately, he refused to answer any questions I had about the family.  My Lolo Singa came with Uncle Chuan to the Philippines when Uncle Chuan was just 6 years old.

Uncle Chuan although very bright was not even able to talk the CPA board exams because at that time he still held a Chinese passport.  It was not until he was in his late fifties when he finally got naturalized. Maybe that explains his reticence to pass any form of info!

My granddad, besides making a living as a "Bookkeeper", was a "letter-writer" for some Chinese (when sending letters back to their families in China) and was also into sari-sari store and copra-buying operations.

Do you know if we coud check some details about my Lolo via the Statistics Office, or perhaps the Census?

Thanks, once again!

Annabelle


hehehe good to see that your Uncle Chuan is still alive! I have a picture of my Lolo that I photocopied , however, it is back home in New Jersey. I will have it and post it here someday.

As for details, im sure you can go to the statistics office, definitely in the census office. The papers we have were stamped in Sulu; our lolo's port of entry!

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My lolo had 4 Children:

1. Fortunata Tan (my maternal grandmother)
2. Ceciliano Tan (my maternal grand-uncle)
3. Balbina Tan (my maternal grand-aunt)
4. Juliano Tan

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Lolo Mariano took his wife, my great-Lola (Gabina Ingnalan Tan), as well as his 4 children with him to visit CHINA multiple times. They lived there for an extended time, 4-5 years. They returned back home to Bohol only because my lola Gabina was tired of China. Homesick. My Lolo Mariano then returned back with her and their 4 children.

Their eldest son, Ceciliano, went to college in China for Accountancy. He died in China (they say due to kidney failure), im guessing he probably had some kind of nephritic/nephrotic syndrome. \
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If you know where your lolo's port of entry was, i would suggest to go to the statistics office. that would be the best place to trace information regarding their point of origin.

ask your lolo chuan where they came from. what province of china.

additionally, what language did they speak? (cantonese? hokkien? mandarin? )

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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2010, 01:32:55 AM »
Ok Dong Lerenz!  Daghang salamat!
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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2010, 02:41:47 AM »
Hi,


When I went home, I was able to take a scan copy of my Lolo Mariano's port of entry documents. He entered Jolo in 1903, and the paper listed that he was born in GUANGZHOU, EMPIRE OF CHINA in 1881. This means that Lolo arrived in the Philippines when he was about 22 years old. This picture of him was when he was 22 years of age. He arrived with his brother, Tan Yu Fang, who was older than him.

My mother told me that when my LOLA (the late Mrs. Fortunata Tan-Salvo) was born, she went with her father (My Lolo Mariano ; great-grandfather) her mother, and her 3 siblings back to GUANGZHOU , CHINA in the late 1920s. They lived there for 4-5 years. They then returned back to BOHOL, by request of my great-grandmother. My LOLO acquiesced to the request.

A good friend of mine, the former mayor of Valencia (and a good friend of my family's in Valencia, Bohol), Dr. Plenio Lim, told me that when my Lola arrived back to Bohol back in the early 1930s, she could not speak Bisaya. The only language that she spoke was CANTONESE and MANDARIN and also understood HOKKIEN. In my childhood memories, my lola used to bargain with Chinese vendors in Cebu and Bohol. She would get discounts, of course, as is the Chinese custom. Discounts for fellow Inchiks. hehehehe!

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My Lolo Mariano was a Chinese national and never relinquished his Chinese Citizenship. He was born when the IMPERIAL QING DYNASTY of China was still in power. Imperial China.

It is deep for me to know this. Because I am not only Bolanon, Leyteno, but also have an ancient side in my blood that hails from CHINA. That , in itself, is a whole chapter.

Good Luck in your search. I hope i was of help!!

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In honor of my CHINESE lolo, i'll say something in CANTONESE: Lei Hao Ma!!! :)

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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2010, 02:44:34 AM »
My Great-Grandfather. My Lolo!!


Chinese (HAN) Name: Tan Ngai He
Latin (Spanish) Name: Mariano Tan

Born: 1881
Place of Birth: GUANGZHOU, EMPIRE OF CHINA







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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2010, 02:51:03 AM »
A little more about the TAN.

Chinese of the TAN surname are from Southern China. The TAN comes from the ancient Chinese Dynasty that was situated in southern China, the TANG DYNASTY.

There was a massive diaspora of Chinese from Southern China to South East Asia because of the situation in China back in the 19th century. China was being colonized by western powers, and the Chinese were looking for greener pastures to colonize. The Philippines being one.

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The TAN hail from the ancient Chinese region of GUANGZHOU. This is home to Macao and Hongkong.


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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2010, 02:56:26 AM »
The IMPERIAL TANG DYNASTY OF CHINA



(The golden age of Southern China)



An example of TANG DYNASTY culture and art.

TANG Art






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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 02:42:22 PM »
ang mga Tan diri sa Davao came from Chinese ancestry. Probably from the Tang  dynasty
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2011, 05:09:27 AM »
Ang mga Tan Sa Guindulman ang mga tag iya sa Hardware Store. Diha sa Tabajan ug Sawang. Silingan sa ahong Lola Betang Ampong-Libres asawa ni Dr. Momoy Libres unang Dentist sa Guindulman.
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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2011, 05:31:11 AM »
Ang mga Tan Sa Guindulman ang mga tag iya sa Hardware Store. Diha sa Tabajan ug Sawang. Silingan sa ahong Lola Betang Ampong-Libres asawa ni Dr. Momoy Libres unang Dentist sa Guindulman.

I had a great-grand uncle who worked in Guindulman and also in Jagna. He was a businessman like my great- grand father, Mr. Mariano Tan [Chinese Name: Tan Ngai He].

Mr. Rald, I'm interested to inquire if the Tan family in Guindulman are related to my great-grand father. As far as I know, from what my grand aunt [Mrs. Balbina Tan-Salingay] told me was that Lolo Mariano [my Chinese great grandfather] arrived to Bohol with a brother. Lolo used to do business throughout Bohol but consolidated his activities in Valencia, Jagna, Garcia, Dimiao. Whereas his other brother did business further north.

It would be cool to meet up with some of the Tan Family members in South Eastern Bohol to see where their ancestors came from. Perhaps one can even establish geneology tracers with them.

Thanks!

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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2011, 05:33:25 AM »
My Lola Nating; Mrs. Fortunata Tan Salvo,



my mommy's mommy...
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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2011, 06:02:41 AM »



My Great Grandfather, Lolo Mariano [ Chinese Name: Tan Ngai He]

Country of origin: Empire of China
Provincial origin: Guangdong
City origin: Guangzhou

Native Language: Cantonese Chinese

Arrived to the Philippine Commonwealth: 1903 at the age of 22 years.


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Re: Tan Ancestry
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2011, 12:50:30 PM »
Kamusta na Doc Bran, are doing your residency now. Sayang Dong wala ko kahibalo nga niuli ka diay sa ato. Nagkita diay unta ta last year.

My daughter Camille is already a Dentist. She has a clinic already in Quezon City.

Tan family Dong is big Clan in Guindulman. I've been to Guanzhu, Shanghai and Shenzhen, Dong in Guangdong Province.
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