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The question has been asked time and time again by Filipinos as well as Americans.

And I thought about it actually during a talk I had with some of my friends this week. It is undeniable that the standard of living in the United States of America is one of the highest in the western world; being the Only Hyper Power of the world and the greatest economic power to ever exist, this cannot be denied.

So the question is, would it be better had the Philippines been matriculated and assimilated in the United States of America; made into the 51st state?

I talked about this with friends; and I have a friend who is Puerto Rican, who voiced out his opposition to it; claiming that the Philippines would loose its nationhood. But I also voiced out to Fernando, a friend, that Puerto Rico itself benefits from America.

He remarked, "But Puerto Rico isn't an American state."

And i replied him, "Yes, but it is an American territory; with all Puerto Ricans given American citizenship. Are exempt from taxation from America, enjoy the American dollar and billions of dollars of investment and American military protection. With all Puerto Ricans given the rights as any American citizen. "

He did not answer back. And he knows this is true.

Puerto Rico, like the Philippines and Cuba, were one of the possessions that was lost to the United States from Spain during the Spanish-American War of 1898.

I just wonder how the Philippines would be like had it become the 51st state or a territory of the United States.

I mean think about it, these are things to been considered:

1) All Filipinos would be given American citizenship, and rights as all Americans under the constitution of the United States

2) The Philippines would be the target of massive American investments; to develop the islands; educational growth, logistic growth per se domestic infrastructure; tourism; natural resources etc.

3) A good percentage of the American population would be of 'Filipino' ancestry. Filipinos would actually be a major ethnic group of American society.

4) The Philippines, by right of statehood, would be enjoy higher standard of living and cost of life as compared to its neighbours.

5) Military umbrella. As a state, no nation would dare step on Philippine soil; as it would be 'American' soil.

6) Filipinos would have free range to travel; and to move to any state or territory of the United States of America.



What do you guys think? Your views?


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2008, 12:50:18 PM »
yup...ok nga yan...kaso mawalan ng makurakot ang gobyerno..lolzz

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2008, 01:10:51 PM »

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2008, 02:36:14 PM »
I really don't know.

I am patriotic, but on the other hand I saw suffering, corruption, high cost of education, scam, malnutrition, etc.

Just imagine what would be the scenario, should the Philippines became the 51st State. Perhaps I would visit my causins in Michigan this weekend and drop by at Bella's mansion, ride a Greyhound to SF, to have sikwati  breakfast with Grazie, Hapon & meet their relative Sigfried my classmate for a drink. Then proceed to my brother in Long Beach for a fishing and kinilaw.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2008, 02:56:58 PM »
I really don't know.

I am patriotic, but on the other hand I saw suffering, corruption, high cost of education, scam, malnutrition, etc.

Just imagine what would be the scenario, should the Philippines became the 51st State. Perhaps I would visit my causins in Michigan this weekend and drop by at Bella's mansion, ride a Greyhound to SF, to have sikwati  breakfast with Grazie, Hapon & meet their relative Sigfried my classmate for a drink. Then proceed to my brother in Long Beach for a fishing and kinilaw.

Hahahah busy body kaayo ka, Macks!  But yes, Murage and I and Hapon and Kim, Smiffy and my aunt and uncle would love to have you as our guest and your family too.  By the way, Siegfred is in Manila PAL office. 

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2008, 03:02:46 PM »
Abi nako naa diha si Sig. The last time I saw him is 1996 when my Visa was expired and I have to travel to Manila for extension. I saw him with a white pilot's uniform inspecting some cargo. We just wave hands kay busy siya and on duty.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2008, 03:03:46 PM »
Just like Macky, I am also patriotic but I think it could have been better for Filipinos to be part of the United States of America with the benefits Dodong Bran enumerated below.  Most opponents of having Philippines as part of the USA are still pride-driven.  Pride, that to my opinion is misguided.  We have been freed from being colonized by Spain and yet we are still slaves to our old system of palakasan that further led to corruption.  These opponents hate America and yet they brag about having been to America and have clothings and buy products that are "stateside". 

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2008, 03:09:57 PM »
yup...ok nga yan...kaso mawalan ng makurakot ang gobyerno..lolzz
ngano walay corruption sa USA?



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2008, 03:31:39 PM »
Abi nako naa diha si Sig. The last time I saw him is 1996 when my Visa was expired and I have to travel to Manila for extension. I saw him with a white pilot's uniform inspecting some cargo. We just wave hands kay busy siya and on duty.

Macks, naa pa diha sa Manila si Sig.  Ning anhi lang to sya para magbakasyon.  Tigpauli man pod yata na sya'g Bohol.  Free man na ilang fare sa plane unya naa pod na sila free international flights.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2008, 06:10:55 PM »
ngano walay corruption sa USA?



awww naa dia pod didto?...at least d kaau grabe tingali ...hehe..luoy atong mga politiko ani,mga puti na ang mo kurakot...haha

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2008, 06:33:15 PM »
Sakto ka Mel. Dili malikayan naa gihapon ang kurakot sa America apan once nga masakpan, lagpot dayon sa katungdanan. So dili grabe ang kurakot.

Permi nag kinto ang mga public servant sa US. Bisan gamay nga bikil lagpot dayon, bisan na sayop lang siya sa sulti. Even past mistakes can be used to overthrow a person in public service.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2008, 10:40:50 PM »
ajo pa kay pinas kay no.1 na baja mga corrupt country

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2008, 11:36:53 PM »
Originally, I was against Philippine assimilation into the United States of America, for nationhood sake. But as time wore on and as I am exposed at the seemingly hopeless situation on the ground in terms of political liability and economic woes in the Philippines; I became rather interested in the possibilities had the Philippines been assimilated.

The Filipino people would never have to fear 'job losses' or economic woes due to excess population due to the presence of the welfare system here in the United States. If a family is under economic woes; they would be eligible for welfare support by the United States government, which will provide for the given family.

No child, no Filipino child would be limited due to his or her economic status. Education is universal and mandated by the American Eagle.

Even if one is born poor; he or she, by right of intelligence would be able to attend high school, college, graduate schools (medical, law, graduate) by use of collegiate loans, which they would be entitled to pay after graduation. Nonetheless, the opportunities is there.

Standard of living would be high! I have visited Guam, Puerto Rico before and all these territories are American territory. Standard of living there is extremely high. A result of American 'territoryhood'. Can you imagine had the Philippines become a state?

The Philippines itself is a massive archipelago; and would have been divided into probably a good 5-10 states.

And the Filipino population of 92 Million people. This would have been our advantage, being part of the United States.

Think about it; right now there are 300 million Americans. 70% of Americans are White-Caucasians; 12.5% are Latino; 12.5% are African Black and the rest are Asian or mixed ancestry.

Had the Philippines been part of the United States, the Filipino ethnicity would be a majority in American society; almost equal in number as that of White-Americans.

This is power. This means more representatives in the House of Representatives in US Congress for Philippine State(s). This means power and number of influence in the American Senate!

By this right; within a mere 3-5 decades, there would be a considerable amount of Americans who are either fully Filipino or have Filipino ancestry.

With this, being 'Filipino' would be the same as being 'American'. Two in One. Similar to China's '2 governments but 1 country' system.

One can only think and ponder of the possibilities.


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2008, 11:41:34 PM »
ngano walay corruption sa USA?



There is corruption in the United States, but not as high as other countries.

The reasons for this is the prevalence of watch dogs and internal security; the FBI, CIA, and the presence of the Ever-Hungry IRS.

Uncle Sam is a voracious tax-eater. Uncle Sam will file a lawsuit if you even fail to account $100 of your tax revenue; and would be subject to court fees, additional charges and the original $100 fees.

No one is exempt from taxes; not even the President of the United States of America.

Many corrupt senators and congressmen were booted out of office and into Federal Prison due to the IRS's uncovering of illegal and 'questionable' financial exchanges.


Bribery, is a big 'NO NO' here in the United States.


In America, the need to retain credibility, visibility, and responsibility, and honesty is prime.

If one violates this, he or she will loose his or her constituent's support. Loose that and your power base is destroyed.


Look at what happened to the once popular Senator Santorum of Pennsylvania.


America is always the Model Democratic State. Her pillars work.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2008, 11:51:46 PM »
awww naa dia pod didto?...at least d kaau grabe tingali ...hehe..luoy atong mga politiko ani,mga puti na ang mo kurakot...haha

The problem with Philippine politics is that there is no transparency; too much 'pork barreling'.

The problem with Philippine politics is that the internal security can be bribed to ' look the other way.'

If you have this kind of problem, the entire system is flawed. And that is the problem with politics in the Philippines; it is just flawed. Everyone, from the local municipal level to the provincia and to the national level works in a flawed and corrupt system.

It's the sad and honest truth.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2008, 12:15:32 AM »
Sakto ka Mel. Dili malikayan naa gihapon ang kurakot sa America apan once nga masakpan, lagpot dayon sa katungdanan. So dili grabe ang kurakot.

Permi nag kinto ang mga public servant sa US. Bisan gamay nga bikil lagpot dayon, bisan na sayop lang siya sa sulti. Even past mistakes can be used to overthrow a person in public service.




Mackz, i knew someone nga nag trabaho sa Deparment of Motor Vehicle, mao na diri lukatanan ug drivers license, dayun nangurakot sha kay ang mga walay papel gitagaan nija ug DL nga bajad sad ambot pila, so nabaw-an sha sa DMV head, gilagpot jud sha, house arrest sa Pinas (kay papaulion man diay ka ug asa ka gikan) dala ang mga relatives nga preha ug apelyedo...wa na dayun sha naka work. Naka balik naman sila diri pero lahi na ija work. Back to basics na sha, ang uban nga na deport paryente nija wa kabalik...

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2008, 02:55:46 AM »
Sakto ka Mel. Dili malikayan naa gihapon ang kurakot sa America apan once nga masakpan, lagpot dayon sa katungdanan. So dili grabe ang kurakot.

Permi nag kinto ang mga public servant sa US. Bisan gamay nga bikil lagpot dayon, bisan na sayop lang siya sa sulti. Even past mistakes can be used to overthrow a person in public service.

maau didto kay dali ra tingali ang pagdakop anang mga makasala nga mga naa sa gobyerno.diri sa pinas dugay pa kaau ang hearing hearing..ni ginansya na ang ilang nakurakot wala pa gyud madakpi...hahaha

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2008, 02:57:59 AM »
nagsugod tingali ni sa vote buying?mao nga og makadaug mamawi sila?...hehehe

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2008, 03:01:46 AM »
yup...ok nga yan...kaso mawalan ng makurakot ang gobyerno..lolzz

sure kaha ka? master kaayu in d arts of kurakot ang pinoy.. basin unya ang America maoy matakdan kun himuong 51st state ang Pinas.. dnha btaw mga mayor sa Carson City, California.. 2 jud ka  mayor nag pinoy.. aw kalouy sa Diyos na priso tungod sa Graft and Corruption.. bsan asa ibutang ang pinoy.. ambot ug nganu

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2008, 03:05:55 AM »
hahahaha...og ma state og america na ta,mga pinoy lang ba gihapon ang himoong leader?aww og mao na,way ayo gihapon..lolzzz

tinood na imong ingon cguro na basin ang america ang matakdan sa kurakot..makakat-on sa mga pinoy...hahaha

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2008, 03:08:13 AM »
sure kaha ka? master kaayu in d arts of kurakot ang pinoy.. basin unya ang America maoy matakdan kun himuong 51st state ang Pinas.. dnha btaw mga mayor sa Carson City, California.. 2 jud ka  mayor nag pinoy.. aw kalouy sa Diyos na priso tungod sa Graft and Corruption.. bsan asa ibutang ang pinoy.. ambot ug nganu




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« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2008, 03:24:04 AM »
naa pod ko nahibal-an ingun ana nga DMV Belle, pinoy sad pabayad sa mga wlay papel.. Im not usre ug hangtud karun mao pa ba gihapon modus operandi ani tawhana.. dghan nuon pod cya natabangan pero mao lagi.. bsan asa pinoy gihapon.. bsan sa Phil Consulate sa LA.. dghan kaayung makasasaway nga pama-agi..

ang pinakamo-ot jud ddtu sa Manila..  while i was renewing my passport..  inig anha nimu sa DFA tagbu-on kag mga fixers... nya inig padung sulod na sa DFA susihon sa guard imoha passport kun ikaw ba jud  dli fixer... mo ingun pa cla ayaw mo too ana mga fixer dnha sa gawas.. kabalo man diay cla naa fixer dra gawas cge pangilad sa mga tawu..ug nganu dli man cla kadakop anang mga tawhana.. naa ra jud sa gate dapit dghan kaayu.. mura man ug nahulog wla nay gahom atung gobyerno.. wla clay mabuhat bahin ana.. makalolo-oy atung gobyerno.. inutil kaayu

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2008, 03:42:38 AM »
ngano walay corruption sa USA?


Naa tuod corruption sa USA but unlike sa atong Pinas grabe kaayo ang kurakot.


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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2008, 03:47:11 AM »
naa pod ko nahibal-an ingun ana nga DMV Belle, pinoy sad pabayad sa mga wlay papel.. Im not usre ug hangtud karun mao pa ba gihapon modus operandi ani tawhana.. dghan nuon pod cya natabangan pero mao lagi.. bsan asa pinoy gihapon.. bsan sa Phil Consulate sa LA.. dghan kaayung makasasaway nga pama-agi..

ang pinakamo-ot jud ddtu sa Manila..  while i was renewing my passport..  inig anha nimu sa DFA tagbu-on kag mga fixers... nya inig padung sulod na sa DFA susihon sa guard imoha passport kun ikaw ba jud  dli fixer... mo ingun pa cla ayaw mo too ana mga fixer dnha sa gawas.. kabalo man diay cla naa fixer dra gawas cge pangilad sa mga tawu..ug nganu dli man cla kadakop anang mga tawhana.. naa ra jud sa gate dapit dghan kaayu.. mura man ug nahulog wla nay gahom atung gobyerno.. wla clay mabuhat bahin ana.. makalolo-oy atung gobyerno.. inutil kaayu


Abi nimo ngano Jez? ang mga police nga na assign ana nga lugar mangayo sad ug "tong" it is just so sad nga wala na jud bili atong pamalaud! its so sickening!

Abi gud nimo ug wala lang jud unta sad magpa ilad, mawala baja na sila eventually.

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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2008, 03:49:45 AM »
naa pod ko nahibal-an ingun ana nga DMV Belle, pinoy sad pabayad sa mga wlay papel.. Im not usre ug hangtud karun mao pa ba gihapon modus operandi ani tawhana.. dghan nuon pod cya natabangan pero mao lagi.. bsan asa pinoy gihapon.. bsan sa Phil Consulate sa LA.. dghan kaayung makasasaway nga pama-agi..

ang pinakamo-ot jud ddtu sa Manila..  while i was renewing my passport..  inig anha nimu sa DFA tagbu-on kag mga fixers... nya inig padung sulod na sa DFA susihon sa guard imoha passport kun ikaw ba jud  dli fixer... mo ingun pa cla ayaw mo too ana mga fixer dnha sa gawas.. kabalo man diay cla naa fixer dra gawas cge pangilad sa mga tawu..ug nganu dli man cla kadakop anang mga tawhana.. naa ra jud sa gate dapit dghan kaayu.. mura man ug nahulog wla nay gahom atung gobyerno.. wla clay mabuhat bahin ana.. makalolo-oy atung gobyerno.. inutil kaayu


 See this is just one of the reason why our country won't and go nowhere, kay daghan kaayo mga tawo nga bisan unsa nalang ang hunahunaan para makakwarta. Luoy kaayo ang mga tawo esp kadtong mga tawong nga nag trbaho ug taman aron lang mabuhi unya maangin sa mga tawong walay budhi.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2008, 03:49:58 AM »
ang uban man gud mao naa mga fixer kay dili gusto mahago...mobayad sila..mao dili pod na mawala gyud..

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2008, 04:55:00 AM »
Wishlist lang ni akoa no siguro kung sakop ang pinas sa USA dili siguro kaayo lisod mangita ug trabaho kay makatravel man ta with US passport , there are a lot of job opportunity ,low in unemployment , or maybe less corruption in the gov't. 
    I totally agree with the original  writer of this topic things would  be different somehow.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2008, 05:30:49 AM »
Ok raman unta ang Pilipinas bisan di himoong 51st state sa US kon maayo pa ang naglead sa atong nasod..kanang dili corrupt kay daghan baya ang Pinas ug mga natural resources nga pwede makahatag daghang tarbaho kon naa pay ayo nag lead.

Ang problema sa atoa kay atong mga leader ang ila ra giplano unsaon pagpangorap instead nga magplano unsaon pagtabang sa katawhan.

Pero nindot god unta kon free pa ang pagsod gawas diha sa USA para sa mga Filipino kay kadtong makaaford pamilite pwede permi mosuroy as ilang mga relatives kay daghan man gayod kaayo mga Filipino dihas USA ron nagpuyo.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2008, 05:52:37 AM »
Wishlist lang ni akoa no siguro kung sakop ang pinas sa USA dili siguro kaayo lisod mangita ug trabaho kay makatravel man ta with US passport , there are a lot of job opportunity ,low in unemployment , or maybe less corruption in the gov't. 
    I totally agree with the original  writer of this topic things would  be different somehow.



Azile, my husband always reminded me that "It was your fault Filipinos, because Americans wanted youto be one of the US our State, but your leaders strongly opposed it" ngek! hahah sigi jud ko nija ingnon ana..."See, you could've been the next Hawaii" insakto man sad.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2008, 07:47:31 AM »
How about someone to lobby in the US Senate for Annexation of Bohol. Aw apil diay pod Leyte for Ginger. Dako baya kaayo ug historical significance sa America ang Bohol ug ang Leyte. Ang usa sa nagpalanding nila ni Mc Arthur, akong tiyo Teodoro Ferniz nga lumad taga Bohol, maguwang sa akong papa. Boy Scout lang sila adtong panahuna ug kung wala sila mag himo ug bon fire nga maoy beacon ni McArthur, siguro mo sangad to ilang warship and the famous words "I shall return" would have remain a promise.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2008, 10:10:35 AM »
If you ask American historians and politicians, they will reiterate the importance of the Philippines in American national security. The Philippines is strategically located; it is in the middle of the South China Sea, yet within the realm of the Asian Continent yet at the same time in the pacific. Making an invasion nearly impossible without the presence of a large navy to transport troops.

The Philippines' natural resources have yet to been 'harvested'. One of the major resources that the United States took advantage during its presence in the Philippines from 1898 till 1946 was the vast coal reserves in the Philippines. Not to mention zinc, copper, tungsten, gold and diamonds.

Do I think the United States will ever allow the Philippines to fall into disarray? Never.

The United States wants a strategic hold of the Philippines. It is already consolidating its presence in the Philippines with military bases in Mindanao.

To answer the comment that Ate Belle mentioned about Philippine assimilatory processes; it would have been manifested.

The United States would have allowed the Philippine States to retain their indigenous and regional languages; but English would have been made the official language. The Lingua Franca, so to say.

When I was in Puerto Rico, the island itself is fully developed. The cost of living in Puerto Rico, surprisingly, is more expensive that in Mainland USA. The United States has allowed Puerto Rico to retain Spanish as their domestic language but every Puerto Rican speaks English because Puerto Rican schools teach English. And all students repeat the American Pledge of allegiance. Puerto Rico, as a result, enjoys billions upon billions of US Dollars worth in investment.

As a result, Puerto Rico has become a major tourist hot spot for the United States.

The Philippines would have experienced such benefits. The Philippines is a large archipelago so it would have been realistic to see the Philippines divided into 10 states. Many Americans would probably migrate and move to the Philippines; as we know that the Philippines' environment super-exceeds that of Hawaii. And Americans flock to Hawaii to move there. Imagine how the Philippines would be like.

Domestic industry would grow and explode due to American investment; billions if not trillions of dollars would be invested in the Philippines.

The United States would never have to fear of a 'medical frailty' due to the innumerable amount of Filipino nurses and physicians ready to step up. Business-wise it would be beneficial for both the United States and the Philippines.

America would benefit entirely because there would be 92 million citizens that would be paying American taxes. This is a new source of income for Uncle Sam. Think about it.

Do I think it would work? Of course. The PHilippines is already very fluent in English and the relationship the Philippines has with America is very warm. Compared to any other Asian country.




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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2008, 10:15:47 AM »


Azile, my husband always reminded me that "It was your fault Filipinos, because Americans wanted youto be one of the US our State, but your leaders strongly opposed it" ngek! hahah sigi jud ko nija ingnon ana..."See, you could've been the next Hawaii" insakto man sad.

This is true. In 1934, Manuel Quezon led a Philippine Independence Mission to the United States Congress to secure the independence of the Philippines from the United States in 1946. Due to the overwhelming amount of pro-independence supporters, Congress ratified the Tydings-McDuffie Act. The Tydings-McDuffie Act guaranteed Philippine Independence from the United States in 1946.


There were many members in the United States Congress and Senate who were against the Act as they had ambitions in making the Philippines into an 'integral' part of the United States of America.

Many wanted to make the Philippines into an American State; and guaranteeing the Filipinos with the gift of American Citizenship.

Quezon and supporters rejected it.


America's presence in the Philippines was very economical, and I personally cannot deny it. Though I hold a semblance of anger to the United States for its war-mongery during the Philippine-American War in 1898, I cannot deny that the United States did propel the Philippines to economic superpowerdom.

By the time the Philippines became independent, she was the 2nd richest nation in Asia. Second only to Japan at the time. Due to the amount of billions of dollars invested by the USA. Manila was then known as the 'Pearl of the Orient'.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2008, 10:29:01 AM »
How about someone to lobby in the US Senate for Annexation of Bohol. Aw apil diay pod Leyte for Ginger. Dako baya kaayo ug historical significance sa America ang Bohol ug ang Leyte. Ang usa sa nagpalanding nila ni Mc Arthur, akong tiyo Teodoro Ferniz nga lumad taga Bohol, maguwang sa akong papa. Boy Scout lang sila adtong panahuna ug kung wala sila mag himo ug bon fire nga maoy beacon ni McArthur, siguro mo sangad to ilang warship and the famous words "I shall return" would have remain a promise.

Mr. Ferniz,

I volunteer in the local hospital and I am always honored to meet American elderly citizens there. One individual who I know personally who is in hospice care right now, was an American veteran of World War II.

This individual asked me if I was Filipino. I smiled and said yes, and he began to tell me his story of his experiences in World War II. This man was there in Guadalcanal, and part of the Marine Corp that landed in Leyte Gulf in 1944.

His words was, "God Bless the Filipino people for what they did for us Americans."

He told me of his story how he heard Filipinos getting abused and killed for helping the American soldiers; and he told me how he heard one time Filipino babies were bayonetted by 'Japs'. He said this in his own words. And as he told me his story, I noticed that he was crying and shaking.

It hit me then and there how much the Filipino people helped and made an impact on our American elderly citizens; the WWII vets who were in the Pacific.

They always say, "God bless the Filipinos."

It always touches me to hear them say that.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2008, 10:40:51 AM »
Sus Dodong nag review jud ko sa akong Social Studies...tsk tsk! mahagbong jud ko ani! sus si Manuel L quezon man diay naka ingon noh? Kay during his time ang Pinas man ang pinaka dato among asian countries diay! sus karon na unsa na!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2008, 10:48:50 AM »
Yes, 'te.

During the time of Quezon, 'te, the Philippine Peso was even worth more than the American Dollar.

The Philippines, during the 20s and 30s era was not even touched by the Great Depression, as it enjoyed a favorable trade with China, Dutch Malaccas, British Malaya, British India, the United States and Latin American world.

The Philippines was the 'enviable' port of Asia. This is one of the main reasons why Japan targetted the Philippines in its conquest; one they wanted to remove the United States from Asia (and the United States had over 100,000 troops in the Philippines at the time) and secondly, the Philippines was a rich territory.

When I took American History in college, there was one song that our professor played in class, which was entitled, "My Filipina Baby". The song was about an American soldier who fell in love with a Filipina girl. It makes a strong relation to the cultural diction both countries played on each other.

World War II paralyzed the Philippines. The war ruined the growing Philippine industry; which was exploding during the 1930s.

Historically, one has Japan to blame for all the problems in the Philippines. They displaced populations, practically destroyed the City of Manila, which was the largest and richest city in Asia during the 1940s.

It is estimated that over 1,000,000 Filipinos died in World War II. And the Philippines' merchant marine was practically wiped out.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2008, 10:52:55 AM »
yeah tinuod jud, naka bangon naman unta ta Dodong pero gi sundan naman ni Marcos, sa panahon na ni Marcos nga nahigup jud ang atong mga datung. Maka numdom man ko sa una Dodong nga naay uban mga foreign traders dili madajun sa Pinas kay mangayo man ug bahin si Macoy, and that is very true. Every big businesses, Marcos had some share.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2008, 11:05:35 AM »
That is true, Ate Belle. So very true.

Marcos undeniably had a massive role in the destruction of Philippine economics.

It was Marcos' unparalleled 'Borrowing' nature that doomed Philippine economics. We became too dependent on borrowing money from foreign banks, allowing us to be crippled in debt.

Marcos's cronies also took advantage of the Philippines' monetary reserves and pocketing billions of Pesos. To the detriment of the Filipino people; the few benefited but the entire country suffered.

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Ate Belle, I think that the Philippines shouldn't have been so hasty in obtaining independence in 1946. It was too soon.

We received independence only 2 years after the ending of World War II, not enough ample time for the development of infrastructure. Problem number One.

The Philippines should have remained an American Protectorate for at least 10-15 years, and allowed the United States to implement internal growth and investment. The United States would have funded for the entire development of the Philippines. We did not see this in foresight.

The country became independent too soon after the ending of the war; by that time not enough were in public service; many had died in the war. Not enough men were in the military; as the country's Philippine Scouts were only numbered in the thousands.

By the time of independence there was no 'Philippine Navy' only a squadron or two of surface ships; there was no 'Philippine Air Force' only a squadron of fighter planes.

It would have been wiser to remain an American Protectorate until say 1960, that way there would have been enough time to develop the navy, the air force, and the ground infantry; and enough American investment to secure Philippine economic sovereignty.

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That is why when the Philippines gained independence, not enough was done to fix the living standards of many people; hence the eruption of HUK rebellion, the Moro Wars in the south and the NPA rebellion.

It is a result of 'too-quick' of an independence.

We suffer now as a result of our mistakes in the past.

And what terrible a mistake it has been.




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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2008, 11:12:56 AM »
When my husband saw this topic , he said in a loud voice no way!he said never happened that Phil will become a 51st state.
      Deep in my heart i wish we are part of the USA for  all  the  sake and things would be different then. But hey then we don't have this forum right?

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