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« on: July 15, 2007, 11:19:58 AM »
on my winter vacation to china, i met two filipinos on a train. they were teaching english at the most famous university in china which is qing hua. i talked with them in english so that my american friend could join in our conversation, then, i switched to bisaya because it has been a long time since i have spoken the language to someone in person! however, not even five minutes into the conversation, i switched back to english because i found myself struggling for visayan words. my friend later on commented that, although he didn't know the bisayan language, it was apparent to him that my english is far better than my bisaya or tagalog. some people would regard that as a compliment, i, however was disconcerted. it's just so sad, this inability to speak one's language fluently. this is never a problem with the chinese and japanese.most often, english speakers are even hard pressed in finding english counterparts for some chinese and japanese words. for some filipinos, if not all,it is the other way around, we struggle to find the tagalog or visayan counterparts of some english words. how do you say orange (the color) in bisaya? what is the tagalog of swiveling chair? what is the bisaya of shorts?
last night, as i was blogsurfing, i came across a blog written in bisaya (http://cooloperator.wordpress.com/). although the words used and the content were a bit crass, i was thoroughly impressed! it is difficult enough to speak full throttle in bisaya, how much more to write a blog in the language!
help me....how do you say these things in bisaya...
orange-
green-
shorts-
swiveling chair-
refrigerator-
and if you have other english terms itching to be known in bisaya please, idugang lang...

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Re: ang pinulungang bisaya
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2007, 11:30:55 AM »
orange - dalandan
green - lunhaw
shorts - pinidji
swiveling chair - lingkuranang tuyok2x
refrigerator - prigider



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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2007, 11:33:04 AM »
how about straw-?
underwear-
bra-


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Re: ang pinulungang bisaya
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2007, 11:58:46 AM »
how about straw-?
underwear-
bra-


for straw, just change the spelling into "stro" or you can borrow the word as just "straw" and italicize it.
for underwear - "bahag". no, panti for babae, brief (bisaya-a ang spelling) is accepted for men.
bra - use it as is when you write in bisaya.

no language can stand alone. english, for instance, is a conglomerate of many languages such as latin, spanish, french, etc.

i strongly disagree with other bisaya writers (i always do) who insist on using pure bisaya words even if the words have never been used by our people since time immemorial. there is no use to argue with them. i know some fanatic bisaya writers who cannot tolerate minor glitches in bisaya spelling and grammar. read: i abhor the use of "og" instead of "ug." "ug" is the standard use for whatever purposes in a sentence: conjunction, preposition, whatever.

nevertheless, i would like to protest the use of "wafa," "wafu", "la na" for wala na, "ngon sya" for ingon siya, and a lot more assaults on the bisayan language.

language has a direct impact on and relationship to our culture. it is difficult for us to get a bisaya word for snow, or snowflake, or ice, or winter because, in the first place, our ancestors, those who nurtured and used this language since history was first recorded, had never experienced snow time or had not used ice for their drinks and for other life's purposes.

thus, it is perfectly acceptable to borrow english words (such as ice and snow) for bisaya oral and written communication so long as you don't sound weird as when saying "where man ka mo-go?" or "what time na man diay?" in this case, either you use pure bisaya statement or pure english, otherwise you'd sound a cracked cassette tape. :)

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Re: ang pinulungang bisaya
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2007, 12:03:50 PM »
bra - pansapin sa suso
underwear - pan - ilawom na sinina
straw - soyupanan


eheheeeheheh....

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2007, 12:38:41 PM »
i agree with you mike! but isn't it that language should also evolve in a sense that a language would make a counterpart for the things newly encountered. for example, computer has a purely chinese counterpart although computer as an object is a relatively new thing.

hilas paminawon nang "where man ka mo go?" noh. manglimbawt jud akong tangkugo ana!

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Re: ang pinulungang bisaya
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2007, 12:45:27 PM »
i agree with you mike! but isn't it that language should also evolve in a sense that a language would make a counterpart for the things newly encountered. for example, computer has a purely chinese counterpart although computer as an object is a relatively new thing.

hilas paminawon nang "where man ka mo go?" noh. manglimbawt jud akong tangkugo ana!

unfortunately, kami sa silliman mao ni ang sinultihan sa kadaghanan. "where man ka mo go"? i think hapit ko matakdan, rivs. and i remember nga ako lang ang nagsulat ug bisaya nga article sa among lampoon issue sa the Weekly Sillimanian. bisaya ra gyud ko magsulti during college years.

for computer terms, we should use the English terms for our Bisaya communication.
Dili pwede bisayaon ang RAM, CPU, Defrog, Memory Crash, Gigabytes, Computer Speaker (tigpamaba sa kompyuter hehehehehe). :)

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Re: ang pinulungang bisaya
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2007, 12:46:53 PM »
pero gina reconstruct naman ni dr jess tirol ang pinulungang bisaya karon...95% na sa mga foreign words ang phrases naa nay translation sa binisaya...

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2007, 01:32:41 PM »
yeah, when i visited my brother sa silliman, ana jud bitaw ang sinultian sa mga tawo didto ilabina ang mga bayi na pasosyal! sa manila, ug isagol gani ang english ug tagalog, tawag namo ana, mga cono. hahaha!!!

i am studying japanese, chinese and spanish now and of the three, i love chinese the most because it doesn't get swallowed by foreign culture in terms of language. chinese has a word for CPU (?????), keyboard *??  straw ?? and god knows what other words. japanese uses the kana and spanish, well, spanish is spanish.

ban-alam, the thing with jess tirol's adamant usage of bisaya is that instead of making him more understood by the people, he is rendered incomprehensible because i bet, most of his words are not used anymore!

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2007, 10:56:22 PM »
dili na gyud bitaw masabtan...tagsa ra gani ko mosulod atong subject niya sa una na Bisaya 211...tapos ang final exam namo kay gipabalak lang mi ug binisaya...

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2007, 01:16:09 AM »
seriously????? bisaya 211? is that a progression from bisaya 101????? why? why? why?

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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2007, 03:11:39 AM »
mao raman na isa ka subject sa UB engineering kana bisaya 211...

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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2007, 04:07:55 PM »
i agree with you mike! but isn't it that language should also evolve in a sense that a language would make a counterpart for the things newly encountered. for example, computer has a purely chinese counterpart although computer as an object is a relatively new thing.

hilas paminawon nang "where man ka mo go?" noh. manglimbawt jud akong tangkugo ana!

And how do you feel about Taglish nga gidungagan pa jud og Binisaya and further corrupted by text-spelling, such as "Wer na man mo? Dito na me."?  :D

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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2007, 08:46:00 PM »
they make me laugh although, for propriety's sake, i would stifle it! as much as possible, i avoid using english when talking with my friends because to me, it just doesn't sound natural....DI BA??? hahahahahahahahaaha!!

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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2007, 05:37:56 PM »
And how about the latest, "Pag-xur woi!"  ;D

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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2007, 08:55:21 PM »
hahaha, daghana bitaw naimbento sa atong mga pinulungan no, naa man gani magtxt nako nga hapit ko dili kasabot kay ang ko nahimo man hinuong q, nagbawo intawon ko ug baid sa akong utok nga natay-an na lol

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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2007, 10:11:20 AM »
on my winter vacation to china, i met two filipinos on a train. they were teaching english at the most famous university in china which is qing hua. i talked with them in english so that my american friend could join in our conversation, then, i switched to bisaya because it has been a long time since i have spoken the language to someone in person! however, not even five minutes into the conversation, i switched back to english because i found myself struggling for visayan words. my friend later on commented that, although he didn't know the bisayan language, it was apparent to him that my english is far better than my bisaya or tagalog. some people would regard that as a compliment, i, however was disconcerted. it's just so sad, this inability to speak one's language fluently. this is never a problem with the chinese and japanese.most often, english speakers are even hard pressed in finding english counterparts for some chinese and japanese words. for some filipinos, if not all,it is the other way around, we struggle to find the tagalog or visayan counterparts of some english words. how do you say orange (the color) in bisaya? what is the tagalog of swiveling chair? what is the bisaya of shorts?
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help me....how do you say these things in bisaya...

shorts-ipok/inanggo (mao ni ang bisaya term nga ahong nahibaw-an)

opposite ta ug situation Rivs..been struggling to improve my english ever since and it's getting worst here kay daghan jamo ko ug mga friends diri nga mga bisaya..almost every weekend sila ahong kauban,so magbisaya mi kalingaw...ug during weekdays,I speak Norwegian to my employers' children and english to my employers.Then tagalog sa ahong mga tagalog friends...mao nisamot jud ka grabe ahong english..grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

But I prefer speaking english than tagalog coz I pitty myself every time I speak tagalog.

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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2007, 10:30:14 AM »
i remember, my lola didang used to say KARSITIN for shorts!! hahahaha!!!

sigbin, unsay "pag-xur"? exercise?

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« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2007, 10:31:29 AM »
BAN-ALAM, ang suyupanan pwede man sab ug hose diba? hahahaha

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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2007, 10:32:54 AM »
i remember, my lola didang used to say KARSITIN for shorts!! hahahaha!!!

sigbin, unsay "pag-xur"? exercise?

hmmmm it's a new expression sa ato Rivs...as in sikat jamo na sa atoa pag uli naho..everytime mosulti ta ug imposible or funny...pangutan on dajun ka ug "pag sure oii,mo tumbling ko ron"..hehehhe..

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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2007, 11:32:42 AM »
As much as we want to preserve our culture, which language is a part, change is still a constant. The world evolves, culture evolves, language evolves. Indeed. The world has gone old and culture has evolved faster and faster as technology formed a borderless world shrinking it into a global village where everyone is a part of a small community.

Change can also be brought about individuals and certain sub-cultures of young people and even gender inventing their own culture of language (perhaps, as they make tusok-tusok of the fishballs by the pantalan or in the silid-aralan...) These changes may be welcomed and embraced by some while hurled by criticism by some. Shakespeare himself caused a stir when he invented his own words that contributed to the leap from old Elizabethan English to the modern English. He was criticized but now, he is revered by many for his talents in using words to express his thoughts and feelings.

The Bisayan language is not spared by changes. What we know as Bisaya today may be different from the Bisaya centuries ago. The words Karyapa used when she foretold the doom of the Dapitan Kingdom at the Tagbilaran Straight in the hands of the Portuguese were very much different from our Bisaya today. Yet, we recognize and take pride of Karyapa as the Inahan sa Bol-anong Mambabalak and the first- ever recorded poet in the records of Philippine history.

Even then, Bisaya is not soley our own since it is rooted to Arabic, Sanskrit, Malay. Even some of our Bisayan words are very similar with Bahasa in context and meaning. We don't exist in a vacuum. We are social people exchanging culture, beliefs, and ideas. It is true then. It is true now.   

Whether we welcome change or frown about it, change will always be constant as our shadows. 
However, it doesn't hurt us to zap ourselves back to the past to learn and relearn what we have as a culture, what we know and have known as a people for us to appreciate and give honor. Research and documentation of our culture and language per se is one way of revering our ancestry and giving honor to the past that has molded us to become who we are and what we are as a people today. Learning how to use it is a part of putting the pieces of the puzzle in our lives to make us completely understand what we are and who we are as Bol-anons.

Learning Bisaya (the old and the new)- whether in formal instruction or otherwise- does not mean that we are obliged to use it in our daily lives or that we are constrained from using the modern language.(Even in the English language there is formal, informal, slang, or street language, da va?  ;D) Let us just see language as a form of art and learning Bisaya (the old and the new) could be a skill that would allow us to whisk beautiful concoction of words in poetry and prose allowing us to express artistically what we want to share to the rest of the world. (Mabuhi si Mike, si Sigbin, si Coy Ponte ug uban pang mga mambabalak dinhi!) 

Even as we make tusok-tusok the fishballs or the saging on the sidewalk now na now na now na, or as we make pagtsur to achuchu the ek-ek, or as make sure that we spell gud am/pm, welkam, helo and gudbye correctly on our Nokia or Samsung, let us not let go of the kaanyag sa atong pinulungan Bol-anon bisan na lamang sa pagbasa sa mga libro og mga sinuwat sa kaniadto og karon didto sa tunghaan o asa pa man. 

patsur woi!  :P
 

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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2007, 12:34:20 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2007, 07:32:37 PM »
Wow snowhite, you superb, mag-xur jud ko woi hahaha

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2007, 06:31:58 PM »
snowhite, asa man ko makakaplag ug binisayang komiks woi !!! my mom said that she owes her being literate to komiks! she said she couldn't read pepe and pilar but when it came to romansa komiks, sus, abtik pas liti !hahaha!

sayang lang and saddening to think na sa atoa, kung english paka kaayo, grabe kaayo ta kabilib kaysa tawo na hanas kaayo motastas sa pinulungang bisaya.

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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2007, 12:00:07 PM »
snowhite, asa man ko makakaplag ug binisayang komiks woi !!! my mom said that she owes her being literate to komiks! she said she couldn't read pepe and pilar but when it came to romansa komiks, sus, abtik pas liti !hahaha!

sayang lang and saddening to think na sa atoa, kung english paka kaayo, grabe kaayo ta kabilib kaysa tawo na hanas kaayo motastas sa pinulungang bisaya.
paminaw nalang ug dramang binisaya day!

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« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2007, 08:29:33 PM »
ayyy balik na sab ta sa drama kay mao jud nay akong bisyo sa una hahaha

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2007, 10:44:19 AM »
hoy ghost, aw ban-alam diay, ako pa na tigpaminawan intawn ko ug kini ang akong suliran ug handumanan sa usa ka awit kay ang among helper, perting kusuga maminaw ug radyo.sus!!

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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2007, 05:25:20 PM »
Wa man ko kita og bisaya nga komiks woi. tagalog ra man to sa una akong tigbasa. karon, tigbasa ko komiks sa inquirer og star ra man, wa poy bisaya noon. kung magazine, naa pa hinoon ang Bisaya. Mike's award-winning piece about a young man named Oscar was pubished in Bisaya before. Di ba, mike?  :)


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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2007, 08:04:39 AM »
coooollll!!!!!

snowhite, i know this is too much ask or basin si mike ba kaha. i post dire sa tubag bohol ang winning piece ni mr.admin. xur (hahahaha) ko na tanang tawo (ug agta! hahaha) dire ganahan makabasa.basta ako ganahan ko!

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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2007, 09:31:36 AM »
Let's ask mike, rivz. Wa mankoy kopya adto.   ;D

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« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2007, 10:25:04 AM »
Let's ask mike, rivz. Wa mankoy kopya adto.   ;D

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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2007, 11:51:48 AM »
hehehe! Oliver diay. basta kay O. thanks, mike. Mwah!

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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2007, 11:06:23 PM »
snowhite, careful there deary. murag lahi baya ang "Dili Ikaw Ang Kataposan, OH" paminawon! hahaha!! unya mike nganong sa laing link man nimo gibutang uroy?

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« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2007, 08:03:48 AM »
Hahaha! How do you read the letter O? hehehe! taga-asa man nang O-ha. Loon o Panglao?  ;D

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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2007, 06:15:44 AM »
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2007, 10:44:04 AM »
snowhite me likey your new photo!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2007, 04:21:36 PM »
new? where? is there another one? toink... rivz, i'd like to see a bigger photo of urs. pleeaasseee?

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« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2007, 06:33:37 PM »
hahahahaha!!! kini na photo gud nimo karon ganahan ko ani, and the photos on your "contestant" page! hahaha!!
uy i have loads of photos jud kay grabe ko ganahan mangodak, pina paul ranara pa maniniyot daw ko!! murag taga plaza rizal tag baynte kada kodak! hahaha!!

see my photos at
www.flickr.com/photos/rivafilia
and at
www.picasaweb.google.com/rivas2k

hehehe!

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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2007, 01:57:59 PM »
wow! these are your works? nice nice nice! nice shots you have there. you inspired me, rivz. i have an on and off relationship with my camera. i guess i have to take it out from the bag and go shooting soon. we have a photo club here in tagbilaran but i'm not active. i'll show them your shots to inspire them, too.   

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« Reply #39 on: July 30, 2007, 11:04:10 PM »
SNOWHITE, NNNNNOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!! please i am not yet ready to be criticized!!! maulaw ko!!! adto pakong abril nagsugod ug kainteres sa pagniyot (HAHAHAHA!!) and i don't have any knowledge about f-stop, exposure, shutter speed, aperture and ISO sensitivity!!! i am still learning, experimenting and tweaking...nyarks!!!! maulaw ko sa mga pros! but, constructive criticisms are welcome, if you would, and if they would, post them as comments, at least limited ang exposure to the public! i swear i am so not confident!!!

i am always with a camera, my compact digicam or my dslr!! maniniyot jud!

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