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« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2007, 10:10:36 PM »
Also to our mentality..Most Filipinos prefer to lost a job than to have low salary!! It's true, we have a lot of foreign investors are relocating their BUSINESS to China or Vietnam.  Filipinos do not want to be called CHEAP LABOR!! Better to quit the job than to have low salary, that's the MILITANT labor group said!!! Hahahahahaha, how can our country progress with such mentality. Ugali na ng mga Kabayan natin na hindi makontento kundi mareklamo, isa pa wala sa atin ang tinatawag na SAKRIPISYO MO NA PARA SA BANSA kundi bahala kayo sa buhay ninyo basta sa akin ayos! KANYA-KANYA mentality. Only my opinion..

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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2007, 12:17:23 AM »


more amount of efforts are required to educate and orient the citizenry (community) about the impact of outsourcing in socio-economic development... hence, it is a social responsibility to impart or inculcate the impact if given opportunity for every encounter...

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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2007, 04:24:06 AM »
Also to our mentality..Most Filipinos prefer to lost a job than to have low salary!! It's true, we have a lot of foreign investors are relocating their BUSINESS to China or Vietnam.  Filipinos do not want to be called CHEAP LABOR!! Better to quit the job than to have low salary, that's the MILITANT labor group said!!! Hahahahahaha, how can our country progress with such mentality. Ugali na ng mga Kabayan natin na hindi makontento kundi mareklamo, isa pa wala sa atin ang tinatawag na SAKRIPISYO MO NA PARA SA BANSA kundi bahala kayo sa buhay ninyo basta sa akin ayos! KANYA-KANYA mentality. Only my opinion..

Gervistil, please allow me to comment on your statements. You are equating oranges to apples. On the contrary, prefering to loose a job than to have low salary is a good attitude and it does not necessarily equate to non-patriotism or bahala na attitude. Infact I salute these people for keeping value to our quality labor. We can not just give everything for free, otherwise we loose our value and quality. Everything has its place and value in the market, like you can not sell a Rolex Watch in sidewalks.

However, this is true to us who are working abroad as we have a wide array of choices. Unfortunately, in the Philippines, it is not. There is no much choice and every cup of rice counts for a person's survival. Termination means going back to zero, standing on that long line. This situation gives exploiters an opportunity to rule. Sadly, the labor sector in the Philippines are the most deprived by the government. Therefore, we can not blame others of becoming a militant. At least some of thier struggles are being heard. Unfortunately, instead of helping them, the government is demonizing them and branding them as communists. Should not due to their continuous struggle and protests, minimum wage policy would not have been implemented.

I am afraid that we will become like China, where sweat shops and child labors are seen in every corner. At least China has still its hang-overs from years of communists regime. Some Chinese are willing to work in factories with less than a dollar a day or even do not bother to work for free, just to be patriotic.

If we come back to the post of Asian Fairy, labors in other countries are well respected and protected by the government. Labors are the back-bone of the society. That's why their country is successful because of this government policy.

Our parents educate us with high hopes. Not just to become a cheap labor.

We are friends. I am not expecting your agreement, but these are my views.

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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2007, 08:51:40 AM »
i agree..but not this time, remember Japan, Korea they started with that, now China look at them after luring the investors, they started too..
We need more sacrifice to achive that.

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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2007, 09:37:27 AM »
The rich in our country are the oppressors of the poor.
Most employers are selfish and greedy.

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« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2007, 12:38:55 AM »
i agree..but not this time, remember Japan, Korea they started with that, now China look at them after luring the investors, they started too..
We need more sacrifice to achive that.

Gervistill,

I agree with you to some extent, but not at all times. Of course, no success can be achieved without sacrifice. Specially for newcomers in the market, like India, china and Vietnam, they have to put thier price at low-end just to gain customers/investors.

However, we Filipinos are seasoned in the technical / service enterprise. We have already carved our niche throught years of dominance. Our quality speaks for itself. However, what we should do is avoid the Rabbit vs. Turtle situation. Let us not be over confident.

While China and India are just new in the market, they are slowly immerging and taking the shortcut. While we are fast but going on the long & wrong direction as we have weak leaders in our government. Sooner, they will outrun us.

I salute you Gervistil for being one of the contributors in building our nation.

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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2007, 12:51:13 AM »
Moreover, I went to market to buy fish in one of Saudi markets. I have seen a goup of asian ladies. I am surprised to know that they are a bunch of Chinese Nurses employed in one of the known hospitals.

Nakasulod na diay ni sila sa Saudi? One by stander told me that they are just lowly paid at $200 to $250 a month.

I have a bad feeling about this and I am afraid. They are invading like locust. Sooner, they will invade the US and UK job market and I expect a vast migration of Filipina nurses back to the Philippines.

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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2007, 01:02:14 AM »
Moreover, I went to market to buy fish in one of Saudi markets. I have seen a goup of asian ladies. I am surprised to know that they are a bunch of Chinese Nurses employed in one of the known hospitals.

Nakasulod na diay ni sila sa Saudi? One by stander told me that they are just lowly paid at $200 to $250 a month.

I have a bad feeling about this and I am afraid. They are invading like locust. Sooner, they will invade the US and UK job market and I expect a vast migration of Filipina nurses back to the Philippines.
Naa gani mga doctors na chinese sa GOSI...

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« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2007, 07:28:22 AM »
Nakasulod na diay ni sila sa Saudi? One by stander told me that they are just lowly paid at $200 to $250 a month.
sa Qatar Mac ang mga Chinese nga mga babaye mga pokpok, mao rapoy barato barato, mao nga moingon nalang tawon ang mga Pinay "ajaw mo ana mga Chinese oi, maajo pa mga Pinay kay makatabang pamo, bisan mahal-mahal ;D

OT..asa naman ron si Piw-Piw?


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« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2007, 09:17:44 AM »
bulok to sila Gerv....sagdi nalang to sila...


but what surprised me really.. we have too many professionals and why cant we export some of them out para maka ahon pod?

i dont believe that Jun said nga patriotism... noooo, nope... it has something to do with jealousy, inggit...or katangahan sa mga leader...

i dont really know what to say but it makes me so mad....

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« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2007, 03:19:09 PM »
What is a good wage for a professional here?  I ask because I hear so many conflicting estimates.

.. also, what's the point in having a minimum wage when most employers and even the government flout it by using short term contracts & temporary layoffs after 6 months?  This puzzles me.

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« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2007, 04:39:54 PM »
What is a good wage for a professional here?  I ask because I hear so many conflicting estimates.

.. also, what's the point in having a minimum wage when most employers and even the government flout it by using short term contracts & temporary layoffs after 6 months?  This puzzles me.

There is no job security in the Philippines. Most employers want to hire you for six months only and then renew your contract for another six months so they can avoid paying SSS, PhilHealth, and other fees due to the workers.

If we base the professional wage according to the Department of Labor scale, then it's tantamount to exploitation. The Labor Department has never been sympathetic to workers.

I worked like a dog when I was still there and I could hardly afford to buy a cup of coffee.

Employers are getting richer and richer while their slaves and workers are neglected.

If professionals in the Philippines were only compensated according to humanitarian reasons, we would have not fled from our country and suffered the terrible loneliness of being away from home.

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« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2007, 04:56:14 PM »
hmmmn, i worked here in the pilippines right now relatively in Outsourcing business.It depends in the company you are working with when we speak of job security. yeah i agree there are employers that hired people as contractuals only, but there are still a lot of companies here that can provide you job security(depending on the job you are applying). i dont know in other countries if contractual employees are allowed or not. it's true as well that compensation here is not good enough particularly for the rank and file employees.

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« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2007, 10:35:45 AM »
Cebu ranks 4th globally as outsourcing destination

CEBU CITY -- Cebu landed number four among 15 emerging outsourcing destinations for global companies, according to an industry report.

India, though, remains the most favored technology outsourcing destination despite concerns that a rising rupee and soaring wages would blunt the country’s competitive edge.

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A study by industry publication Global Services and investment advisory firm Tholons put the Indian cities of Chennai, Hyderabad and Pune at the top of a list of 15 emerging outsourcing destinations for global companies.

In an interview with Sun.Star Cebu, Cebu Investment Promotions Center (CIPC) executive director Joel Mari Yu said he expects Cebu to reach number one, as the business process outsourcing (BPO) industry here is rising compared to that in India.

Costs are surging in the prime cities in India, which has earned a reputation as the world’s back office, as property values and rentals rise and wages increase at an annual pace of more than 15 percent amid a shortage of skilled employees.

Indian outsourcing firms are also feeling the pinch from an appreciating rupee, which dents dollar-billed earnings, forcing them to cut costs by expanding to less expensive locations.

Demand outpaces supply

“With the demand-supply gap widening, newer tier II cities will play a critical role in reengineered globalization models,” said Tholons chairman Avinash Vashistha.

“Destinations will need to provide a greater level of cost effectiveness and operational efficiency.”

Kolkata at number five and Chandigarh at number nine were the other two Indian locations on the list, which contained three Chinese and two Vietnamese cities as well.

The three hot cities for outsourcing from China were Shanghai at number eight, Beijing at 10 and Shenzhen at 13. Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi were put at number six and number 12.

The Sri Lankan capital of Colombo placed seventh, Cairo at 11, Buenos Aires at 14 and Sao Paulo at 15, the study’s sponsors said in a statement released in Bangalore Sunday.

The list is based on criteria such as scale and quality of workforce, financial infrastructure, risk environment and quality of life.

But it does not include established outsourcing locations such as Bangalore, the New Delhi capital region, Manila, Mumbai and Dublin that have had a decade’s headstart.

India’s outsourcing companies have thrived by winning work from companies in the United States and Europe that sought to tap the country’s low costs and large employee pool by handing over jobs ranging from answering customers’ calls to risk management and financial analysis.

Pure-play outsourcing firms account for about 10 percent of the $50 billion in revenue logged in the year ended March by the entire information technology industry, which also includes software giants such as Tata Consultancy and Infosys.

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Yu said among Third World countries, the Philippines has an edge in that Filipinos speak better English, or that which is closest to the American twang, compared to Indians, who have an accent.

But, he said, the government should start giving the industry more attention in policy direction to keep that advantage.

“It would be better that the industry would not be concentrated in Cebu alone but in other provinces as well so that qualified workers do not congregate in Cebu.

And this entails better government planning involving other local government units,” Yu said.
In particular, he said, other places should offer English, computer technology and other information technology-related courses for a better-qualified pool of workers.

“Pero ang bottomline sweldo gihapon,” he said, however, adding that Cebu has lower labor cost compared to the competition.

He said the industry would not wither in the next five to six years even though only those with good oral communication skills, the willingness to work night shifts, and the stomach to accept insults (from customers) are suited for the job.

Yu also revealed another problem just came into focus.

He said that while workers are especially educated for IT-related jobs, their training does not include managerial and people skills so that they struggle when promoted to higher positions.

“There is also the need for schools to offer IT curricula that teach students to be more versatile IT workers,” he said in Cebuano.

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« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2007, 10:37:33 AM »
More Dutch firms outsourcing to Philippines

MANILA, Philippines -- Like many of their counterparts in other parts of the world, companies from the Netherlands are finding the Philippines an attractive outsourcing site, still due mainly to the country’s pool of highly skilled English-speaking workers, a Dutch executive said.

Brian Altman, managing director of Dutch information technology firm IAMD Software Solutions, said the Philippines was generally a good offshore alternative for European companies.

“Services of even the more common business processes will be hard -- and expensive -- to come by in Europe, and the Philippines is a very good alternative low-cost center for (business process outsourcing),” he said in a statement.

He said the Philippines’ telecommunications infrastructure, skilled workers and largely English-speaking population continued to give it a competitive edge over many other potential BPO sites the world over.

Other plus factors included relatively low labor costs as well as cultural similarities with Western countries, he added.

What the government and local stakeholders should do to make the country more attractive to potential outsourcers, he said, was package it properly by highlighting its competitive advantages.

“The Philippines should be marketed properly to the West. There should be more focus on the business side of the country: language advantage, modern infrastructure, high-tech cities like Makati, Eastwood City and Ortigas Center,” he said.

He said one good way of showcasing the country’s merits was through government-spearheaded trade missions, usually organized by the Department of Trade and Industry’s Center for International Trade Expositions and Missions.

“With more foreign nationals in the Philippines, a larger network of westerners is created, thus improving the promotion of the Philippines to the West,” he said.

There are currently around 30 Dutch companies in the country, including big-name firms such as Shell, Philips, Unilever and ABN Amro.

“The Dutch are very careful when it comes to outsourcing. This goes for most of the European market. Trade missions to Europe bridge that and, in important ways, project the Philippines as an attractive offshore location,” Altman said.


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« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2007, 08:54:57 AM »
If professionals in the Philippines were only compensated according to humanitarian reasons, we would have not fled from our country and suffered the terrible loneliness of being away from home.

I can empathise due to learning of the experience of my OFW friends (when I was living in another country).  So much sacrifice - even leaving behind small children or giving up all their own life's needs so that they could continue to work abroad and send remittances.

The exploiting employers - do you mean the huge companies like SM?  Or all of them, including small businesses?  As for my efforts to recruit here it seems that to get someone with good experience you have to offer good benefits.  There are plenty of graduates but can't take too many - too much time training.

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« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2007, 08:59:17 AM »
Greetings Ben! What part of England do you hail from?

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« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2007, 12:58:09 PM »
Greetings Ben! What part of England do you hail from?
Hi Lorenzo,  I come from the industrial midlands.  To keep it on topic - that's an area hit hard by outsourcing.  Manufacturing is approaching 0 there.. first it was the textile business then more recently the business process / service sector.  I guess the people there will end up just fixing each others cars and cutting each others hair!  It's not a place like London, which is very wealthy compared with most of the rest of the Country.

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« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2007, 01:00:23 PM »
I guess the people there will end up just fixing each others cars and cutting each others hair!




That's funny Ben..

dont you think it would be a place for me to retire too??? (switch)

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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2007, 08:07:45 AM »
sa Qatar Mac ang mga Chinese nga mga babaye mga pokpok, mao rapoy barato barato, mao nga moingon nalang tawon ang mga Pinay "ajaw mo ana mga Chinese oi, maajo pa mga Pinay kay makatabang pamo, bisan mahal-mahal ;D

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Nice to share minds with you here in Tubag Bohol Gervistil. Si Piw-piw naa gihapon sa Inabangga. Si Nong Willy iyang papa, gikan man to diri sa Saudi ug wala na mo balik. Gi pangitaan man to namo ug trabaho si Piw-piw dire pere pirming demalason, ma ilogan.

Unsa man imong apelyido, Vestal ba? Naa ko mga amigo mga Vestal taga Inabangga.

Balik ta sa atong topic, naa gani mga Engineers ug Chinese na nga mga Chinese diri. Delikado kung mga hugmo ang building bisan wala pa mahuman. Known raba ang mga Chinese nga walay quality control.

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« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2007, 08:10:13 AM »
I agree, karon gi news napod naa napod gi recall nga made in china... >:(

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« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2007, 08:21:25 AM »
Hi Lorenzo,  I come from the industrial midlands.  To keep it on topic - that's an area hit hard by outsourcing.  Manufacturing is approaching 0 there.. first it was the textile business then more recently the business process / service sector.  I guess the people there will end up just fixing each others cars and cutting each others hair!  It's not a place like London, which is very wealthy compared with most of the rest of the Country.

Speaking of hair, you have two things in common with Mr. Benylenne. Haha, Ben and Hair. Just kidding, we are all friends here.

By the way, speaking of textile industry, I've heared that European Textile industry is booming due to the ban on Chinese textile by the US, which started in 2006 til present.

However, I wonder why we Filipinos did not grab this opportunity. In fact we have a long line of textile industry since the Acapulco Trade. Perhaps, our focus is mainly on local demands and most of our entrepreneurs do not find interest in international business trends.

These are one of the lost opportunities for us Filipinos. We are way behind the Chinese in terms of business agressivenes.

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« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2007, 09:29:02 AM »
kany ngano???

We prefer to become only an employee than becoming an employer..

tinuod man na...

nalimot ka sa imong Rico papi y pobresito papi???

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« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2007, 01:59:30 PM »
Speaking of hair, you have two things in common with Mr. Benylenne. Haha, Ben and Hair. Just kidding, we are all friends here.

By the way, speaking of textile industry, I've heared that European Textile industry is booming due to the ban on Chinese textile by the US, which started in 2006 til present.

However, I wonder why we Filipinos did not grab this opportunity. In fact we have a long line of textile industry since the Acapulco Trade. Perhaps, our focus is mainly on local demands and most of our entrepreneurs do not find interest in international business trends.

These are one of the lost opportunities for us Filipinos. We are way behind the Chinese in terms of business agressivenes.
I knew it was a mistake to use my picture as my avatar. 
There are maybe 1 or 2 textile factories back in my hometown. In the 70s/80s it was the main employer - with 10s of factories.
You're right about it being an opportunity for this country.  Some countries manage to sell at higher prices than China because they have more ethical employment practices and human rights.  The consumers prefer not to think of kids in sweatshops etc. so it give the brand more value.  Still, to be competitive with the rest of this region you would have to offer your workers only about 3000pesos per month for 12 hour days, 6 days a week. I guess 'ethical employment practices' is a very relative thing!

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« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2007, 06:58:11 PM »
Nice to share minds with you here in Tubag Bohol Gervistil. Si Piw-piw naa gihapon sa Inabangga. Si Nong Willy iyang papa, gikan man to diri sa Saudi ug wala na mo balik. Gi pangitaan man to namo ug trabaho si Piw-piw dire pere pirming demalason, ma ilogan.

Unsa man imong apelyido, Vestal ba? Naa ko mga amigo mga Vestal taga Inabangga.

Balik ta sa atong topic, naa gani mga Engineers ug Chinese na nga mga Chinese diri. Delikado kung mga hugmo ang building bisan wala pa mahuman. Known raba ang mga Chinese nga walay quality control.

hehehe wla quality control... this is also true to some electronic specifically computer
parts.
Well China is perhaps a threat to the Philippines on outsourcing industry I heard
the labor cost in China is cheaper than here in the Philippines

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« Reply #65 on: October 06, 2007, 12:35:44 AM »
They are way, wasy cheaper than any in the world...


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« Reply #66 on: October 06, 2007, 10:18:56 AM »
Nice to share minds with you here in Tubag Bohol Gervistil. Si Piw-piw naa gihapon sa Inabangga. Si Nong Willy iyang papa, gikan man to diri sa Saudi ug wala na mo balik. Gi pangitaan man to namo ug trabaho si Piw-piw dire pere pirming demalason, ma ilogan.

Unsa man imong apelyido, Vestal ba? Naa ko mga amigo mga Vestal taga Inabangga.

Balik ta sa atong topic, naa gani mga Engineers ug Chinese na nga mga Chinese diri. Delikado kung mga hugmo ang building bisan wala pa mahuman. Known raba ang mga Chinese nga walay quality control.

Vistal oi dili Vestal,
sa dira pako sa Saudi (Riyadh & Jeddah) wala paman to mga Chinese contractors..basin karon nalang na..
pero diri sa Qatar na daghan oi, kusog kaayo mo dive sa presyo mao mga makakuha gyud, maka save man gud sila sa materials kay made in China man ila gamit, basta parehas lang specs.

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« Reply #67 on: October 06, 2007, 10:47:50 AM »
dayun dili ra pod mahugno dayun???

kay ilang puthaw mora na naau sagul nga clay kay barato ra gud...hahahha ;D


unsa man nang nindot nga building sa dubai ba na??? kanang half moon?

dinsa may contractor ana??? chekwa???



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« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2007, 10:49:33 AM »
Gibalita bitaw miss belle,

nga ang mga boy scout badges gipang recall

kay made in china, and it showed excessively dangerous amounts of lead



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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2007, 10:51:26 AM »
Gibalita bitaw miss belle,

nga ang mga boy scout badges gipang recall

kay made in china, and it showed excessively dangerous amounts of lead





naka dungog ko ana...

hasta gani tooth paste...

hesus mobalik na dagway ta pagka premitive ani, gamit sa asin...

o sanga sa bajabas...

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« Reply #70 on: October 06, 2007, 11:09:56 AM »
hahaha

grabe man gud pud,

moadto kas walmart,

halos tanan nilang baligya, made in china



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« Reply #71 on: October 06, 2007, 11:15:23 AM »
bitaw...

dili baja ko mo palit didto kay ma recall unya...

ang cat food gani careful gyud ko kay na mag daut unya si Louie...

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« Reply #72 on: October 06, 2007, 11:38:18 AM »
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« Reply #73 on: October 06, 2007, 11:41:01 AM »
unsaon nalang...


good night na tanan...

see ya later C2...

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« Reply #74 on: October 06, 2007, 11:47:14 AM »
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« Reply #75 on: October 06, 2007, 12:00:04 PM »

hi guys /gals,

am back, am in the Philippines for an emergency business trip; and I find time now to browse...miss you all TB friends...

on "Recall" issue. I've learned recently that the government of USA had apologized China for some errors that have something to do / impact in recalling China made products?  ( how could we call this - have the term but has apprehension )...

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« Reply #76 on: October 06, 2007, 12:03:01 PM »
why should they apologize, mr junayag?

if those products are truly a danger to consumers?



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« Reply #77 on: October 06, 2007, 12:06:21 PM »
dako baya gyud ug effect ang pag recall sa mga china products bisan ako gani i bought a medicinal cream sa pharmacy pag tan aw nako sa label kay made in china man ako jud gi uli nag pailis na lang ko ug lain nga brand....noted man gud na sila nga low quality ang products and some are dangerous sa health...

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« Reply #78 on: October 06, 2007, 12:22:15 PM »


there was a mistake in issuing such recall order for some products? of which the fault could not be blamed entirely to China.

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« Reply #79 on: October 06, 2007, 12:24:40 PM »
correct!

random raman diay ang checking diri sa control Jun... i didnt know it , only recently...

nga tanan diay moabot sa port diri, dili man diay checkon kanunay...

ang quality contol pod same thing...

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