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RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« on: February 08, 2011, 12:49:02 PM »
Ikaw, ujon ba ka ani or dili? Last January naapprobahan ang usa ka version sa RH Bill nga ihearing na sa Congress. Pagkahuman ana nagtawag ang tibuok Simbahan nga iakip sa misa ang pag-ampo para dili mapasa ang maong balaud.

Para naho, sa side sa abortifacient, idefine unta kung kanus-a gajud ang CONCEPTION. Daghan man gud nag ingon nga ang CONCEPTION nagsugod sa FERTLIZATION pero naa puy uban nga nag ingon nagsugod daw na sa IMPLANTATION. Sa RH Bill man gud way klaro kung unsa ang stand sa balaud sa pagsugod sa Conception.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 12:52:06 PM »
The approved RH Bill is a consolidation of six bills namely: (1) House Minority Leader Edcel Lagman of Albay, HB 96; (2) Iloilo Rep. Janet Garin, HB 101, (3) Akbayan Representatives Kaka Bag-ao & Warren Bello; HB 513, (4) Muntinlupa Representative Rodolfo Biazon, HB 1160, (5) Iloilo Representative Augusto Syjuco, HB 1520, (6) Gabriela Rep. Luzviminda Ilagan HB 3387.

The title of the bill is “An act providing for a comprehensive policy on responsible parenthood, reproductive health and population development and for other purposes”. This was approved on the committee level last January 31, 2011.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 04:54:31 PM »
Init gajud ning issue sa RH Bill. Here's one of the updates:

Palace: Aquino never pushed for RH bill

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/212572/palace-aquino-never-pushed-for-rh-bill

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 10:32:35 PM »
Init gajud ning issue sa RH Bill.

Morag mas init ron ang plunder sa AFP...

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2011, 09:53:13 AM »
Morag mas init ron ang plunder sa AFP...

Kay tungod ni Angelo Reyes? Nainit ning RH kay napasa na sa Committee Level. Pero napawong ang kajo sa kainit kay gitangtang naman sa priority bills ni PNoy. ;D

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2011, 12:50:12 PM »
Forces against, for RH Bill both troubled
Saturday, February 12, 2011

CEBU CITY -- About 5,000 people joined the Catholic church-initiated rally against the Reproductive Health (RH) Bill at the Fuente Osmeña circle Friday afternoon.

They endured the heat and dust in the area as they chanted "We are, we are for life" and waved placards with messages along these lines: "RH bill source of corruption," "I choose life!" and "Katoliko ako! Supak ako sa RH bill."

But supporters of the bill in Cebu also expressed disappointment that it was not included among the priority measures of President Benigno Aquino III.

Judy Aguilar, coordinator of the Reproductive Rights Resource Group, said Aquino's "change of heart" may become a setback in the country's goal of reducing maternal deaths and child mortality by 2015.

Participants of the Fuente rally included students of Catholic schools, church organizations like the Knights of Columbus and Catholic Women's League and trans-parochial organizations from Cebu City to as far as Daanbantayan town, in northern Cebu province.

The rally, dubbed as "Cebuanos! Unite for Life!" was also attended by Representative Rachel del Mar (Cebu City, north) and her father former congressman Raul del Mar, Representative Pablo Garcia (Cebu Province, second district), Cebu Auxiliary Bishop Emilio Bataclan and Episcopal Vicar Msgr. Esteban Binghay, among others.

One of the invited speakers was Msgr. Juanito Figura, Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) secretary general, who said the Catholic Church does not have funds or a strategy to mount an anti-RH bill campaign.

"What we have are prayers, Gospel values, sincerity and commitment to human life, which are enough because this means we have God on our side," he said.

He asked why some legislators who are practicing Catholics promote the RH bill, "which is against the aspirations of the Filipino people."

"Every law of the society must be for the protection of human life," he added.

The CBCP issued a pastoral letter against the bill last January 31, where they stated that they are against the non-consideration of moral principles; anti-life, anti-natal and contraceptive mentality reflected in media and some proposed legislation; efforts to railroad the RH bill; the trajectory of the bill toward population control; and the use of public funds for contraceptives, sterilization and compulsory sex education.

Cebu Archbishop Palma, in a message delivered by Fr. Euselito Tulipas, said, "We come to manifest our faith in Jesus and our resolve not to allow ourselves to be persuaded by anyone whose principles are contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ."

"For those who, out of honest ignorance, are supporting the RH bill, we pray to the Holy Spirit for the light of wisdom and understanding. For those who are indifferent about this issue, or are afraid to stand for the faith, or have grown cold in their faith, we pray for ardent zeal," he said.

More at: http://66.117.4.124/cebu/local-news/forces-against-rh-bill-both-troubled

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 03:23:49 PM »
Michael Voris ningari sa Pilipinas aron maghatag ug talk about the issue of RH Bill. ;D

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 12:22:50 AM »
May God continue to bless and instruct Bishop Palma , always. Great stance, Your Eminence!  :)

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 11:57:40 AM »
Not only Bishop Palma but also to all the bishops who are on their full capacity standing against the RH Bill code named Responsible Parenthood Bill now. Kay Bishop Precioso Cantillas of the Diocese of Southern Leyte, naa ra mi sa imong likod Mons. ;D

Let us pray for the enlightenment of all the proponents of this Bill. Unta maka mata na. Cheers!

I like the publicity of the CBCP on this Bill: WE ARE AGAINST THE RH BILL, AND WE ARE SERIOUS!. Mga isog jamo ning atong mga Bishops. This is really the time for them to fight against what is morally correct.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 03:08:25 PM »
Not only Bishop Palma but also to all the bishops who are on their full capacity standing against the RH Bill code named Responsible Parenthood Bill now. Kay Bishop Precioso Cantillas of the Diocese of Southern Leyte, naa ra mi sa imong likod Mons. ;D

Let us pray for the enlightenment of all the proponents of this Bill. Unta maka mata na. Cheers!

I like the publicity of the CBCP on this Bill: WE ARE AGAINST THE RH BILL, AND WE ARE SERIOUS!. Mga isog jamo ning atong mga Bishops. This is really the time for them to fight against what is morally correct.

Amen Brod Vince! May the Holy Spirit always live strong and be voiced out from the depths of our hearts and souls. Praise be to God!

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2011, 01:52:38 AM »
The CBCP issued a pastoral letter against the bill last January 31, where they stated that they are against the non-consideration of moral principles; anti-life, anti-natal and contraceptive mentality reflected in media and some proposed legislation; efforts to railroad the RH bill; the trajectory of the bill toward population control; and the use of public funds for contraceptives, sterilization and compulsory sex education.

can anything be worse than these points?  i personally hate the sight of those big billboards advertising condoms in manila.  we may be losing a big part of what we are as a nation.  how sad. :(



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2011, 01:53:12 AM »
thanks for the thorough research, bai tigs!



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2011, 04:39:57 AM »
Kinahanglan protektahan ang atong kababehan sa mga kada-ot nga dala sa sayo nga pagkabuntis, sobra-an kadaghan ug pagkasunod sa mga pagbuntis, ug sa HIV/AIDS, apil napud ani ang kalalakehan.

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2011, 11:44:32 AM »
Kinahanglan protektahan ang atong kababehan sa mga kada-ot nga dala sa sayo nga pagkabuntis, sobra-an kadaghan ug pagkasunod sa mga pagbuntis, ug sa HIV/AIDS, apil napud ani ang kalalakehan.

Support the RH Bill!

angay mahibaw-an sa kababaihan ug kalalakihan nga naay gitawag nga pugong aron di madaot sa sayong pagkabuntis ug pagsunod-sunod nga pagbuntis.  tawo ta, di ta iro o iring nga magpataka lang. 

no to the rh bill as government funds could be put to better use in improving our educational system and basic services and facilities in some forgotten areas; no to the rh bill whose advocacy has been tainted with western and big pharmaceuticals lobbying.  no to the rh bill as it may encourage promiscuity!



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2011, 11:46:51 AM »
I think it is the responsibility of the chuch and the parents to guide the children away from promiscuity while the state would be the last line of defense if they fail. I believe that the RH Bill would do just that.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2011, 12:09:44 PM »
why couldn't the state be part of the first line of defense so we can have an institutional triumvirate instead?  if the state acts as the last line of defense, if it shows itself as the last line of defense, it may just manage to make it easy to go through the first line because there's a last line anyway.

p.s.  how terrible can it be for a mother when her 8-year-old boy asks what a condom is because its emblazoned on big billboards dotting manila's thoroughfares.

 

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2011, 12:20:43 PM »
The state could not possibly have a unified values-oriented solution to these problems with a diverse population such as the Philippines. These matters are different from case to case depending on religion, culture and such other factors that our society offers therefore if the state would attempt one unified solution to the problem then it risks discriminating the other groups whose morals may be contrary to the values the state set out to promote. The best thing it should do is provide a solution to current problems of fetuses being dumped anywhere, families having to eat only once a day due to their sheer number, and young people who ruin their lives due to early pregnancy and STD's through adolescent health education, and responsible parenthood and family planning programs.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 01:57:02 AM »
there are previous threads in this forum that have tackled the many sides of the rh bill.  tackling your valid points would mean a repeat of the pro and con arguments in those threads.  some of those, anyway:

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Re: Catholic church warns civil disobedience vs. RH bill...Unsa imo opinion ani?
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2010, 06:58:17 PM »

my thoughts, scarbzy migs...

it looks like it's difficult to distinguish between what is practical and what choice means for the two sides.  we know that both are agreed on family planning, it is in the means that the two sides diverge.  natural as against artificial, as we all know.

the church is well aware that there are artificial contraceptives that are abortifacients (these kill the fertilized ovum).  it is also aware that millions are allegedly involved in the lobby for the passage of the rh bill. 

those big pharmaceuticals are the very sector that stands to profit most once hundreds of thousands of contraceptives are distributed for free.  these contraceptives are not donated by big pharmaceuticals.  often as not, these are paid for by our government with aid money from western countries and which we will have to pay for.  (there's no such thing as a free 'aid'.  it's always a loan in the guise of an aid, and usually the 'donor' that calls the shots includes a stipulation on population control, with specific time-bounded targets that practicality ensures can only be met by artificial means, with contraceptives bought by us from their own big pharmaceuticals.  the more our government follows this stipulation, the more will the donor release subsequent aids.  well, geopolitics equals multinational big businesses.) 

some of us with some background on big-time project proposals for funding must be aware that sometimes aid that's entered as 'cash' on paper is actually the cost of the items that are 'donated'.  heaven help us if we have to pay, because it's a loan, for contraceptives worth millions, because the donor country had already bought them for us from their own pharmaceuticals.

these are just some of the things that have to be cleared out by the two sides, i suppose, to erase the mistrust.   

lest we forget, wasn't it third world women who unwittingly became laboratory rats when the first contraceptive pills went on trial?  these were reportedly distributed first in third world countries, as aids, before these were made available in the countries that manufactured them.  all because the population of third world countries is the whipping boy of the west when it comes to poverty.  tell that to the homeless in new york.   



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
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Re: Let's Read the Reproductive Health (RH) Bill
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2010, 09:22:08 PM »

at this point, i'll cease and desist (;D!) first from posting the body parts (ugh!) of House Bill 96 to face the posts of www.tubagbohol.com re proposed Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008, otherwise known as House Bill 5043, whose previous incarnation is House Bill 4110.  (both failed passage in congress.)

these are excerpts of the pastoral letter entitled A Catechism on Family and Life for the 2010 Elections (Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines, Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, December 27, 2009 – Feast of the Holy Family), which also covered House Bill 5043 of 2008:

11.  What is reproductive health?

The UN defines reproductive health as the state of physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity in all matters relating to the reproductive system and to its functions and processes. It states that people have the right to a “satisfying and safe sex life.”  The conjugal union is natural and proper in marriage, but in contrast, reproductive health disposes all people, including children and adolescents, to the sexual act and the freedom to decide if, when and how often to reproduce, provided that these are not against the law. (UN Cairo Conference, Program of Action).

Following this definition, if having a satisfying sex life results in an unwanted pregnancy, the mental anguish this causes will negatively affect the person’s mental and social well-being unless one has access to contraception and abortion.  This is the convoluted reasoning behind UN agencies’ insistence that reproductive health necessarily presupposes access to contraception and abortion.

Furthermore, the Reproductive Health bill (House Bill 5043), which carries the same definition of reproductive health, will penalize with one to six months imprisonment, and/or 10-50 thousand pesos fine, parents who for example prevent their grade school and high school children from using contraceptives, or from having satisfying and safe sex.  This item, along with the fact that certain contraceptives actually cause the abortion of 5-day old babies, is often ignored in supposedly unbiased and scientific surveys on the acceptability of the Reproductive Health bill.

All these are in the name of reproductive health and rights.  What about the rights of parents? And the rights of the unborn?



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 02:04:47 AM »
more excerpts from the pastoral letter:

12.  What are some experiences in other countries in relation to reproductive health and related to family and life issues?

Family and Life workers and families in the Philippines, to whom this Catechism is primarily directed, could easily and clearly see the probable goals of reproductive health and rights advocates in the country, by looking at what is happening abroad.  In some countries, school clinics are required to inform parents if their child has been treated for a minor scratch; on the other hand, the same school clinics are PROHIBITED from informing parents if their child seeks treatment for abdominal pains caused by a recent abortion.  In other places, children are required to obtain parental consent for a tattoo, but not for an abortion.

A high-ranking official of a foreign country massively funding reproductive health services in the Philippines categorically stated last April that, “We happen to think that family planning is an important part of women’s health, and reproductive health includes access to abortion.”  A local columnist wrote in November 2008 that “In Mexico City… the long struggle for reproductive health and rights culminated in the recent passage of a law lifting all restrictions on abortion.”  Many countries all over the world and the United Nations agencies work for reproductive health and rights until they have fully facilitated access to abortion.

Underlying this concept of reproductive or sexual health and rights is a view that radically separates sexuality, procreation and the complementariness between men and women.  It is a view that identifies pleasure as the ultimate goal of sexuality and reduces procreation as a function of the health care systems.  It also implies that men and women relate in temporary and modifiable unions that are a far cry from the beauty of conjugal love that is fully human, total, faithful, exclusive and open to life.

Men and women are persons before all else, and for this reason sexual behavior cannot be used only for pleasure.  Otherwise it would mean using a person simply as an object.


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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2011, 02:09:02 AM »
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Attempts to enact legislation promoting anti-family programs receive huge financial assistance and provide alluring incentives to persuade our politicians to commit themselves to their advocacy.  Foreign-funded lobby groups have been operating for more than a decade to openly advocate for the enactment of population control laws, as well as abortion-friendly laws in pursuit of the UN Cairo Conference objective of universal abortion rights.  It makes one wonder why countries with below replacement fertility rates, desperate for babies and spending huge sums of money to encourage their own citizens to bear more children, contradict themselves by spending huge sums of money to suppress our population growth.

All these are consistent with Henry Kissinger’s 1974 National Security Study Memorandum 200 entitled “Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for US Security and Overseas Interest” which identified the increase in world population as inimical to the interest of the West.   This document has been coming out in recent public debates on reproductive health policies, and is available on the internet.  Do not reproductive health advocates bow down to their impositions?  Is it not more correct to say that they are the ones imposing their policies on our country?


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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2011, 02:50:55 AM »
dili kong ang Kabataan sa umaabot sa atong nasud maingon niini.


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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2011, 07:19:40 AM »
Dili ba ni eksena sa usa ka sine, Bay Vist? ???



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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2011, 03:52:12 PM »
sige, ato ni silang dad-on sa sex education class...



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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2011, 07:26:25 PM »
Hmm, morag wa kaagig labad sa ulo nis Ms. Isle kon maohon...  :-X

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what a pathetic buffoon. instead of manifesting / showing his histrionic typal behavior , he should clean his messy bedroom. that way he may at least attract women to bed with him. idiot.

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2011, 12:53:23 AM »
 Lami gud paminawon nga daghan tag bata ( 4 or 5 ) pero, ug kon JAMO tay ika paka-on ug ika pa eskwela nila, ato rapong kaugalingon ang atong gisakit, kai lo-oy man ang atong mga bata...

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A senior Roman Catholic bishop on Friday compared Philippine President Benigno Aquino to the ousted dictator Ferdinand Marcos, in an escalating war of words over a controversial bill promoting artificial contraception.

The plan before Congress has put Aquino on a collision course with the country's powerful Catholic church leaders, who this week walked out of talks on the Reproductive Health bill.

Anti-RH groups supported the bishops and stepped up pressure against Aquino, calling for a widespread civil disobedience campaign, including non-payment of taxes.

"Not to pay taxes, I will be surprised if somebody will say that publicly because if I am not mistaken, that's a serious criminal offence," Aquino told reporters on Friday.

"I think sedition will be the charge that will be filed for your not doing your civic obligation."

Aquino's latest statement in the battle over the bill, which includes measures to promote sex education and the use of artificial contraceptives, immediately drew criticism from Catholic bishops, who have blocked similar measures since the 1990s.

"He can put us all in jail," Ramon Arguelles, archbishop of Lipa, south of Manila, told reporters, adding Aquino sounded like the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos, who also threatened groups calling for civil disobedience during his regime.

"We are willing to pay the price to save the unborn from modern Herods and save the executioners from the grasp of the evil one."

Archbishop Angel Lagdameo, former head of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, said the government must consider the moral aspect of the issue.

"In the end, we must obey God and not man," he added.

The Catholic church is a powerful political force in the Philippines, playing a key role in the overthrow of two presidents, including Marcos, during the past 25 years, and politicians generally avoid picking fights with the clergy.

The president's mother, democracy heroine Corazon Aquino, herself called for a campaign of civil disobedience against Marcos after she said he stole her election victory in 1986.

The allegations of poll fraud helped spark a popular revolt that toppled Marcos's 20-year rule and swept Cory Aquino to power.

Aquino said his government would prioritize the passage of a reproductive health bill in Congress as a tool to cut poverty in the poor but resource-rich Southeast Asian state.

Aquino pledged last month to push for the enactment of the reproductive health bill in Congress in a bid to lower maternal death in the Philippines, even at the risk of excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church.

The bishops say some forms of contraceptives are tantamount to abortion, which is illegal in the Philippines. About 80 percent of the country's 94 million people are Catholics. — Reuters

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« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2011, 11:34:49 AM »

"He can put us all in jail," Ramon Arguelles, archbishop of Lipa, south of Manila, told reporters, adding Aquino sounded like the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos, who also threatened groups calling for civil disobedience during his regime.

Hmm, this debate is getting rather nasty...

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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2011, 09:35:30 AM »
Sunod suweldo dili na ko magpadeduct ug income tax. Hehehehe. Kalaay nang mga opisyales sa gobyerno, dagkog kita pero way bayad bayad ug buhis. Unja dili pud ko gusto nga ang ahong buhis ipalit ra ug condom aron ipanghatag sa mga katawhan. Unsa man ko sponsor sa ilang pagkauwagan???

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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2011, 09:37:20 AM »
Sunod suweldo dili na ko magpadeduct ug income tax. Hehehehe. Kalaay nang mga opisyales sa gobyerno, dagkog kita pero way bayad bayad ug buhis. Unja dili pud ko gusto nga ang ahong buhis ipalit ra ug condom aron ipanghatag sa mga katawhan. Unsa man ko sponsor sa ilang pagkauwagan???

bitaw. good point, brod vince. sayang ang trabaho kai gi hatag raman diay ang sapi sa mga maniakis sa kalibotan.

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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2011, 11:34:02 AM »
I'm against on the RH Bill!!!  Regards to all..

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« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2011, 07:03:44 PM »
what a pathetic buffoon. instead of manifesting / showing his histrionic typal behavior , he should clean his messy bedroom. that way he may at least attract women to bed with him. idiot.

Hmmnn U are using d word "idiot" here dockie..but in other thread,U defies not to utter it..saksfan..!  :P


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